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| kondor1001 | hi | 03:06 |
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| kondor1001 | got an old laptop today, seems like a good idea to use it for testing alpha, is the current installer working? | 03:07 |
| holstein | kondor1001: try it | 03:07 |
| kondor1001 | good idea | 03:07 |
| Unit193 | Don't forget to report your results to the iso tracker. | 03:10 |
| kondor1001 | 20140220 i386 on the way | 03:10 |
| kondor1001 | will do, will need to read up how | 03:11 |
| holstein | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ | 03:12 |
| ganglere | Unfortunately I missed out on the milestone tests. I just did an upgrade on my workstation with the daily iso and ran into this: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/YE06Haj-C7GrL8kWDkpAT9nbGQ8g2tdSlseU0GiYjsU=w1598-h900 | 03:17 |
| ganglere | A clean install seamed to work just fine (reinstalling applications now). | 03:17 |
| Unit193 | Couldn't select the last bootable kernel? 3.11.something ? | 03:29 |
| ganglere | Unit193, I tried several kernels and recovery mode, same error each time | 03:30 |
| Unit193 | Well. | 03:30 |
| ganglere | Looking at the testcase results, it looks like all the other upgrades used "update-manager -d -c" | 03:32 |
| ganglere | Where as I booted the iso from a flash drive and selected upgrade | 03:32 |
| Unit193 | Never done that, I've heard bad results though. | 03:33 |
| ganglere | I will remember that for the future. | 03:35 |
| Unit193 | (That's nothing official, just what I've heard before.) | 03:37 |
| ganglere | I had assumed. | 03:38 |
| Unit193 | Might be nice for someone to fix if that's the case. | 03:38 |
| ganglere | How does it differ? I just assumed it did a chroot and then an upgrade-manager call | 03:39 |
| ganglere | One would think it would be less volatile than an in-place upgrade | 03:39 |
| kondor1001 | got this one, do i have to report it anywhere other than clicking the report bug? it is a duplicate obviously, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1282640 | 03:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1282640 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Trusty) "ubiquity crashed with AttributeError in item_str(): 'list' object has no attribute 'find'" [Critical,Confirmed] | 03:40 |
| holstein | !bug | 03:49 |
| ubottu | If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. | 03:49 |
| kondor1001 | does that launchpad page get updated when that bug is fixed? | 03:56 |
| holstein | when? | 03:56 |
| holstein | you mean, if there is activity, and that activity is logged.. yes | 03:57 |
| kondor1001 | i mean when it is fixed | 03:57 |
| ganglere | Unit193, is this worth reporting? I don't know what package to report against. | 03:59 |
| kondor1001 | ok, im off, will keep an eye on that launchpad page so i know when to try another image. | 04:00 |
| Unit193 | ganglere: I'd say so, but I'm not really sure where it failed. | 04:05 |
| Noskcaj | hey elfy | 06:59 |
| elfy | hi | 07:00 |
| Noskcaj | Any chance you could get some testing to the new xfburn release? | 07:00 |
| Noskcaj | As long as it's stable(ish), it will get to debian pretty soon | 07:03 |
| elfy | we can discuss it when it lands and is seeded | 07:03 |
| Noskcaj | corsac won't upload it to debian unless it's tested first. I'll see if i can get the bzr branch to unbreak | 07:05 |
| elfy | not sure how many people you'll get testing something if they can't install it in a live session or their machines | 07:05 |
| elfy | and I'm more worried about people testing beta's and things that have/have to land for us tbh | 07:06 |
| Noskcaj | it doesn't have to be much, just one person checking it's not completely broken | 07:07 |
| Noskcaj | I don't have a dvd burner, and neither does corsac | 07:07 |
| elfy | neither do I | 07:07 |
| Noskcaj | :( | 07:08 |
| elfy | if I did - I'd look myself | 07:08 |
| elfy | I've read the m/l discussion - if nothing changes in that I see no reason for me to get involved at the moment - I assume it'll get into Unreal Unicorn | 07:09 |
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| elfy | mmm indicator-network wants to use 92Mb of space - or without recommends 200Mb | 07:41 |
| Noskcaj | I've got the new xfburn up for sponsoring. If anyone has an issue with that, please say. I know it's late in the cycle, but the old version is incredibly outdated, and i'd rather deal with bug reports for a current version rather than the old one. | 09:04 |
| Noskcaj | I'll have to go soon, will be back 19UTC | 09:04 |
| ochosi_ | elfy: indicator-network is not something we use by default though, we use nm-applet which in turn uses indicator-application | 11:07 |
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| ochosi | elfy: ping | 11:35 |
| bluesabre21 | bug reports for a project with one maintainer can be bad news | 12:09 |
| bluesabre21 | considering that the current xfburn, as old as it is, is basically the most stable burning app there is, along with k3b | 12:09 |
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| knome | http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Beta1 | 12:44 |
| knome | let's start working on the release notes | 12:44 |
| slickymaster-job | knome: where to place the drop of gthumg? | 12:45 |
| slickymaster-job | *gthumb | 12:46 |
| slickymaster-job | ok | 12:46 |
| knome | isn't final "sections", just add anywhere, but i added a new heading | 12:46 |
| elfy | ochosi: pong | 12:48 |
| elfy | ok - that's ok, just checking - but nm-applet doesn't appear to be using indicator-application here | 12:49 |
| knome | elfy, see link ^ | 12:49 |
| elfy | wut? | 12:50 |
| knome | http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Beta1 | 12:51 |
| elfy | oic sorry | 12:51 |
| slickymaster-job | knome: I'll add xfdesktop new features after lunch. I have a lunch appointment in about 10 minutes | 12:55 |
| knome | sure, no hurry | 12:55 |
| knome | we still have a week | 12:55 |
| knome | at once we're well ahead | 12:56 |
| elfy | but but but but ... | 12:56 |
| slickymaster-job | better safe than sorry | 12:57 |
| knome | slickymaster-job, question: in which parts is the documentation *re*written? | 12:58 |
| slickymaster-job | regarding the "Changing the wallpaper" section | 12:59 |
| knome | right | 12:59 |
| knome | i thought that would fall under "improved" | 12:59 |
| knome | or maybe "updated" more than "rewritten" | 12:59 |
| slickymaster-job | and the command-line chapter that Unit193 sort of rewrite | 13:00 |
| knome | see pad, rewrote that sentence | 13:00 |
| knome | but feel free to revert if you insist | 13:00 |
| slickymaster-job | nopes, it does seems better that way. Better wording | 13:01 |
| slickymaster-job | but I really have to go now | 13:01 |
| slickymaster-job | bbl -> | 13:01 |
| brainwash | elfy: can you please take a look at bug 1282227 and maybe confirm it? takes only some seconds :) | 13:01 |
| ubottu | bug 1282227 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop-settings dialog not immediately displaying all available wallpapers" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282227 | 13:02 |
| elfy | can't confirm it - works ok here | 13:02 |
| brainwash | thanks | 13:02 |
| elfy | I would have 2 days ago when none of my wallpapers were available | 13:02 |
| elfy | I think there was possibly an issue with that a day or so ago | 13:03 |
| brainwash | now it's gone? | 13:03 |
| elfy | well it works ok here - updated | 13:04 |
| elfy | but I did have that and a bunch of other really odd things going on | 13:04 |
| elfy | [19:17] <elfy> lost icons for lots of panel launchers and all the gtk3 ones | 13:05 |
| elfy | [19:17] <elfy> usr/share/xfce4/backdrops shows all my wallpapers | 13:05 |
| elfy | [19:18] <elfy> if I do the same from desktop settings - then navigate to the same place it appears to be empty | 13:05 |
| elfy | [19:18] <elfy> can't do a screenshot - as I'm told .png is not supported | 13:05 |
| elfy | http://imagebin.org/294486 | 13:05 |
| ochosi | elfy: i wanted to ask you about testing light-locker-settings. it hasn't been added to the seed yet but it's uploaded, so installing it is easy | 13:05 |
| ochosi | specifically testing whether screen-blanking and screen-suspending works | 13:05 |
| elfy | then the following morning my panel was the same length as in that AND the only thing you could see was the date | 13:05 |
| elfy | ochosi: ok - you want me to call for that? | 13:06 |
| elfy | ochosi: is xscreensaver gone from the seed now? | 13:06 |
| brainwash | elfy: ouch, users who upgrade from a previous xubuntu version might experience the same issues | 13:07 |
| ochosi | elfy: i think yes, let me check... | 13:07 |
| elfy | brainwash: it wasn't up upgrade from a previous version | 13:07 |
| ochosi | elfy: the seed change for s/xscreensaver/light-locker/ has been merged, but i'm not sure micahg has uploaded that change already | 13:08 |
| elfy | mmm ok - so purge xscrn install light-locker light-locker-settings and check those 2 issues? | 13:09 |
| ochosi | elfy: yup, sounds good | 13:09 |
| elfy | that really needs to have a testcase if we're seeding it | 13:09 |
| ochosi | we will be seeding it, just a question of when the seed changes get merged/uploaded | 13:10 |
| elfy | ochosi: did you see what I said about nm-applet - is it supposed to be in notification area or in indicator plugin? | 13:10 |
| knome | ochosi, you too, see the pad | 13:10 |
| ochosi | knome: see what pad? | 13:11 |
| elfy | ochosi: ok - well I will get it on the tracker asap | 13:11 |
| knome | let's get it in awesome shape so our marketing lead doesn't have to work on it | 13:11 |
| brainwash | elfy: indicator area, but this requires the workaround | 13:11 |
| knome | ochosi, http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Beta1 | 13:11 |
| ochosi | knome: ok, will check later | 13:11 |
| knome | ochosi, ta | 13:11 |
| elfy | knome: I'll look at pad later - really want to smoke a lot and drink the cuppa b4 I'm back to work :p | 13:11 |
| knome | elfy, yeah sure :) | 13:11 |
| elfy | brainwash: workaround? | 13:11 |
| elfy | and I'll read it later - bbl :p | 13:12 |
| brainwash | elfy: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators > "Indicators may fail to load" | 13:12 |
| brainwash | we are still waiting for the fix from the indicator stack maintainer | 13:13 |
| elfy | oh yea, that one - thought about that while I was doing something else then promptly forgot again | 13:14 |
| brainwash | we could apply the workaround until it really gets fixed, but nobody likes this idea, because it could cause some trouble later on | 13:15 |
| brainwash | ochosi: will lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.8.2 land in trusty anytime soon or somewhat later after more bugfixes have been gathered? | 13:18 |
| brainwash | the gtk_main_quit fix is quite important | 13:19 |
| brainwash | especially now that the greeter is used as lock screen | 13:19 |
| slickymaster-job | knome: updated the tab with some more data | 15:11 |
| knome | slickymaster-job, tab? you mean pad? :P | 15:37 |
| slickymaster-job | knome: yes, Pad | 15:40 |
| slickymaster-job | my mind is playing tricks on me | 15:41 |
| knome | :) | 15:44 |
| knome | (moved the bugs to the notes section for now, let's see which we want to "promote" on the announcement | 15:46 |
| slickymaster-job | ok, but I think there are some more | 15:48 |
| knome | sure, let's keep on listing | 15:49 |
| slickymaster-job | are you ok with the xfdesktop new features knome? | 15:52 |
| knome | slickymaster-job, yep, looks good | 15:52 |
| slickymaster-job | goo | 15:52 |
| slickymaster-job | *good | 15:52 |
| brainwash | should we list bug 1271861 ? | 15:59 |
| ubottu | bug 1271861 in thunar (Ubuntu) ""Open with 'default app'" in right click context menu with wrong icon" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271861 | 15:59 |
| brainwash | it's a feature request | 15:59 |
| brainwash | wrong icon = generic folder icon | 15:59 |
| brainwash | slickymaster-job: we might need an upstream report for bug 1282509 | 16:04 |
| ubottu | bug 1282509 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop crashed with SIGSEGV in xfce_desktop_refresh()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282509 | 16:04 |
| slickymaster-job | brainwash: I know. Haven't got the time to take care of it, though | 16:04 |
| slickymaster-job | I'll try to do it over the weekend | 16:05 |
| brainwash | usually you won't even notice this bug if you compile from git or disable apport, because the session immediately restarts xfdesktop after the crash | 16:05 |
| brainwash | thanks :) | 16:05 |
| brainwash | hopefully we'll get it fixed before B1 | 16:07 |
| slickymaster-job | not putting much faith in that | 16:08 |
| knome | brainwash, file the upstream bug yourself, be in touch with upstream and make sure it's fixed, do a merge request (with help from somebody), make sure it gets to the sponsors queue and passes that | 16:09 |
| knome | brainwash, i would rather you do this for one bug than hearing about "we need to fix this" about 20 bugs ("we" meaning somebody in the team but not you) | 16:10 |
| knome | brainwash, helping out by triaging bugs is fine, but at this point, you have as much information about the bug than anybody else (probably more), and know the processes; if you don't know, you can ask for help | 16:12 |
| brainwash | I'll do it myself then | 16:29 |
| brainwash | ubuntu guys already complaining, bug 1283124 | 16:29 |
| ubottu | bug 1283124 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/xfdesktop:11:xfce_desktop_refresh:style_refresh_cb:g_timeout_dispatch:g_main_dispatch:g_main_context_dispatch" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1283124 | 16:29 |
| knome | brainwash, thanks for stepping up and taking care. | 16:30 |
| slickymaster-job | yes, errors tops e.u.c daily view | 16:31 |
| slickymaster-job | seb128 already mailed Noskcaj regarding it | 16:33 |
| slickymaster-job | since he was the one who did the update | 16:33 |
| ali1234 | xfdesktop does have some bugs... i've seen where it doesn't refresh the background on all monitors at startup | 16:42 |
| slickymaster-job | hey ali1234, maybe you can help brainwash with it | 16:44 |
| brainwash | ali1234: latest version 4.11.3? | 16:44 |
| slickymaster-job | yes ali1234, that's the one | 16:46 |
| sergio-br2 | hello | 17:09 |
| sergio-br2 | hey ochosi | 17:09 |
| knome | jjfrv8, you around? | 17:11 |
| ali1234 | 1516cb96c6ec9b20b63f05e7bcc4af8594d43129 looks like the culprit | 17:29 |
| knome | jjfrv8, slickymaster-job: stgraber will do a ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu release on monday, we have until that to get stuff prepared for the beta slideshow | 17:30 |
| slickymaster-job | knome: I must confess you that I haven't looked at it yet | 17:32 |
| knome | no problem, jjfrv8 did some | 17:32 |
| knome | and we have the weekend | 17:32 |
| slickymaster-job | that's what I was going to say | 17:33 |
| slickymaster-job | :P | 17:33 |
| brainwash | ali1234: http://lpaste.net/100243 | 17:46 |
| elfy | ubiquity is a bit oops then atm | 17:48 |
| slickymaster-job | gotta go | 18:00 |
| slickymaster-job | bbl -> | 18:00 |
| ochosi | hey sergio-br2 | 18:06 |
| sergio-br2 | hey ochosi | 18:18 |
| sergio-br2 | i did some random updates | 18:18 |
| knome | huhu, random? :) | 18:19 |
| sergio-br2 | *in elementary icons, haha | 18:19 |
| ali1234 | brainwash: that doesn't look right to me | 18:19 |
| brainwash | ali1234: what exactly? | 18:24 |
| ali1234 | well the icon reset does not depend on there being workspaces | 18:24 |
| ali1234 | and besides, why aren't there any workspaces? | 18:24 |
| ochosi | sergio-br2: oh cool, somehow i don't get emails about pending merge-requests... | 18:24 |
| brainwash | ali1234: don't know, I just added the check to prevent xfdesktop from segfaulting :( | 18:25 |
| brainwash | it's a start I guess | 18:26 |
| ochosi | sergio-br2: thanks, will review them tonight and get back to you. will you be around later? | 18:26 |
| sergio-br2 | yes, bot now, but after 2 hours i think so | 18:26 |
| sergio-br2 | *but not now | 18:26 |
| ochosi | ok, sounds fine | 18:27 |
| ochosi | i'll see whether i'll be around then | 18:27 |
| ochosi | not unlikely that i will be | 18:27 |
| brainwash | ali1234: the rest is up to eric (or you) :P | 18:27 |
| ali1234 | is this reported on xfce bugzilla? | 18:27 |
| brainwash | https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10705 | 18:27 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10705 in General "xfdesktop crashed with SIGSEGV in xfce_desktop_refresh()" [Major,New] | 18:27 |
| brainwash | the report is only pointing to the LP one | 18:28 |
| ochosi | brainwash: did you check in which commit the bug starts to appear? (since it's not in 4.11.2) | 18:29 |
| ali1234 | already found | 18:30 |
| brainwash | yea, the style refresh commit | 18:30 |
| ochosi | ok, cool | 18:30 |
| ochosi | btw, before anyone complains to *me* about this, we're hit by this upstream gtk3.10 bug in 14.04: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710909 | 18:31 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 710909 in .General "Buttons are cut in some windows" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 18:32 |
| elfy | ochosi: I have this thing where buttons are cut in some windows ... | 18:32 |
| ochosi | yup | 18:32 |
| ali1234 | i have not seen anything like that with orion | 18:32 |
| ochosi | everyone has it | 18:32 |
| brainwash | some windows? | 18:32 |
| ochosi | gtkdialog mostly | 18:32 |
| brainwash | ah ok | 18:32 |
| ochosi | ali1234: affects all themes that use the default engine to draw buttons | 18:33 |
| ali1234 | how do i reproduce it? | 18:33 |
| brainwash | weird thing that I haven't noticed that so far | 18:33 |
| ochosi | ali1234: here it is with orion: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-21-193330.php | 18:33 |
| ochosi | ali1234: one way is to start synaptic | 18:34 |
| ochosi | i'll check another way for you to reproduce quickly | 18:34 |
| ali1234 | i don't see it | 18:35 |
| ochosi | are you on 14.04? | 18:35 |
| ochosi | that's weird then | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | yes | 18:35 |
| brainwash | but that's only a minor glitch, no one would complain about this | 18:35 |
| ochosi | open evince -> open file | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | what is evince? | 18:35 |
| ochosi | the pdf-reader | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | is it "document viewer" | 18:35 |
| ochosi | yup | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | ok, looks fine to me | 18:36 |
| ochosi | the open-file dialog has that issue too | 18:36 |
| ali1234 | when did this start happening? | 18:36 |
| ochosi | with gtk3.10 | 18:36 |
| ali1234 | i haven't updated since yesterday | 18:36 |
| ali1234 | i can't reproduce this anywhere | 18:36 |
| ochosi | no, a lot earlier than yesterday | 18:36 |
| ochosi | weird weird | 18:36 |
| brainwash | greybird looks fine here, buttons are OK | 18:36 |
| ali1234 | i dn't use the default fonts, that probably affects it | 18:36 |
| ochosi | what fonts do you use? | 18:36 |
| brainwash | same here | 18:36 |
| brainwash | not using the default font setup | 18:37 |
| ali1234 | droid sans 11, force 96 DPI, slight hinting | 18:37 |
| elfy | I was actualyl joking ochosi - but yea - got that here :) | 18:37 |
| ochosi | yeah, weird | 18:37 |
| ochosi | that fixes it | 18:37 |
| ochosi | "fixes" | 18:38 |
| ochosi | try 9pt | 18:38 |
| ali1234 | yeah that breaks it lol | 18:38 |
| brainwash | so lets switch to 11 by default :) | 18:38 |
| ali1234 | also i can't read anything cos everything is so small | 18:38 |
| ochosi | i'll add another comment about this upstream | 18:39 |
| ochosi | fwiw, 10 also breaks it | 18:39 |
| ali1234 | not here it doesn't | 18:39 |
| ali1234 | oh wait, yeah it does | 18:40 |
| ochosi | opensans works with 10pt, doesn't with 9pt | 18:40 |
| ochosi | seems like a "simple" padding issue | 18:40 |
| ali1234 | it looks like the label text is too high on the button | 18:40 |
| ali1234 | meh | 18:40 |
| brainwash | can you please link the upstream report? | 18:41 |
| ali1234 | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710909 is the upstream report | 18:41 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 710909 in .General "Buttons are cut in some windows" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 18:41 |
| brainwash | thanks | 18:41 |
| ochosi | it was actually a pain to even get that bugreport re-opened | 18:48 |
| ali1234 | it took less than 24 hours | 18:48 |
| ali1234 | that's not a pain | 18:48 |
| ali1234 | completely random, but do you know how local menus works in unity? | 18:49 |
| ali1234 | can we implement it in xfwm? | 18:50 |
| ochosi | i guess they use the same dbus method they use with their global-menu indicator (random guess) | 18:50 |
| ali1234 | hmm... seems reasonable assumption | 18:51 |
| ochosi | where do you see that it took less than 24hrs from my comment on 2014-01-31 | 18:51 |
| ochosi | that menu doesn't work nicely in xfce4-indicator-plugin, so i'm not sure getting it into xfwm4 will be easy | 18:52 |
| ali1234 | that's probably more down the the indicator plugin | 18:53 |
| ali1234 | what happens if the window is too small to show the menus on one line? | 18:53 |
| ochosi | then there's an expander | 18:54 |
| ochosi | i've seen a screenshot of that somewhere | 18:54 |
| ali1234 | hmm... | 18:54 |
| ali1234 | mousepad won't let you make the window smaller than the menu | 18:54 |
| ochosi | ali1234: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/lim-not-enough-space.jpg | 18:55 |
| ali1234 | cool | 18:55 |
| ali1234 | i might try to implement it | 18:55 |
| ochosi | sounds challenging | 18:56 |
| ali1234 | i bet it's easy really | 18:56 |
| ali1234 | cop and paste some code and dump a gtk widget onto the decorations | 18:56 |
| ochosi | btw, since you're the most xfwm4-proficient person around: is there a way to increase the resize-hover-area of xfwm4? | 18:56 |
| ali1234 | hmm that's another thing on my todo list actually | 18:56 |
| ochosi | or will that add lots of pointer-polling | 18:56 |
| ali1234 | i hate 1 pixel resize borders.... | 18:56 |
| ochosi | something like 3px would be a nice area | 18:57 |
| ali1234 | it should not require any polling | 18:57 |
| ali1234 | the windows already have shadows that expand the real border area | 18:57 |
| ali1234 | just need to make the resizer detect based on that | 18:57 |
| ali1234 | although since that's part of the compositor we might not be able to use those directly | 18:57 |
| ochosi | hmm, yeah, ideally would work also without compositor | 18:58 |
| ochosi | bbiab | 19:00 |
| ali1234 | you can probably fake it on the theme side by making the brder pixmaps bigger, with transparent areas | 19:00 |
| ochosi | i remember trying that and it not working though | 19:02 |
| ochosi | anyway, bbiab | 19:02 |
| ali1234 | hmm, fair enough | 19:02 |
| ali1234 | ah, i think i found it | 19:14 |
| ali1234 | hmm... | 19:19 |
| ali1234 | hmmmmmmmmmm... | 19:23 |
| ochosi | ali1234: ? :) | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | i'm not sure if this is even possible | 20:02 |
| ochosi | the menus in the window-deco or the resize-area? | 20:03 |
| ali1234 | resize | 20:03 |
| ochosi | wonder how other WMs do it though | 20:03 |
| ali1234 | using big pizmaps with transparency doesn't work because it uses XShape to make out the transparent pixels | 20:03 |
| ali1234 | if you don't make out the transparent pixels you get garbage in those pixels | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | all the other windows that can do it are compositors so they can do real transparency | 20:05 |
| ali1234 | window managers* | 20:05 |
| ochosi | hmm | 20:05 |
| ochosi | so they supposedly simply add 1 or 2px of transparent window-border? | 20:06 |
| ochosi | (sounds like a straight-forward solution) | 20:06 |
| sergio-br2 | ochosi | 20:41 |
| ochosi | sergio-br2: sorry, haven't finished yet :/ | 21:07 |
| ochosi | sergio-br2: just finished the mimes branch | 21:15 |
| ochosi | sergio-br2: hmm, no 22px multimedia-video-player? | 21:17 |
| ochosi | sergio-br2: also, the shadow below the play-icon in the 24px version of that icon seems a bit off | 21:21 |
| sergio-br2 | ochosi, there is no 22 px multimedia-video-player in upstream | 21:26 |
| ochosi | sergio-br2: yeah, but it's very trivial to do, there's always the same protocol for converting 24px to 22px | 21:27 |
| ochosi | remove the drop-shadow, reduce the icon size to 22px | 21:27 |
| ochosi | and then center the icon again and hit save :) | 21:27 |
| sergio-br2 | ok | 21:28 |
| ochosi | btw, sometimes i don't merge stuff from upstream, because they don't have all the sizes and i don't have time to draw thenm | 21:28 |
| ochosi | so i've merged all branches except the apps | 21:29 |
| ochosi | is the 24px version taken directly from upstream? | 21:29 |
| sergio-br2 | the shadow is weird in 24 | 21:29 |
| sergio-br2 | yeah | 21:29 |
| ochosi | strange | 21:30 |
| sergio-br2 | the only that missing was 22 px | 21:30 |
| ochosi | probably worth mentioning that to DanRabbit or submitting a bugreport | 21:30 |
| ochosi | or: fixing it and submitting a merge-request upstream | 21:30 |
| ochosi | he's usually happy to merge stuff back | 21:30 |
| sergio-br2 | ok, i will see it | 21:30 |
| ochosi | but no worries, let's fix it in -xfce first | 21:30 |
| ochosi | something's off with that anyhow, i can't see it in the preview in thunar | 21:32 |
| ochosi | that usually means the shadow won't be visible in the png converted version | 21:32 |
| sergio-br2 | ochosi, done | 21:37 |
| ochosi | sergio-br2: did you also fix the shadow? | 21:38 |
| sergio-br2 | yes | 21:38 |
| ochosi | strange, still looks large: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-21-223821.php | 21:38 |
| ochosi | otoh it gives the white icon a bit more structure against the red backdrop | 21:39 |
| ochosi | oh right, it's the same in 32px | 21:39 |
| sergio-br2 | yes, but i think it is the desing | 21:39 |
| ochosi | i thought it shouldn't be like that | 21:39 |
| ochosi | yeah | 21:39 |
| sergio-br2 | design | 21:39 |
| ochosi | it's fine | 21:39 |
| ochosi | thanks | 21:39 |
| ochosi | merged, thanks a bunch! | 21:40 |
| sergio-br2 | ok | 21:40 |
| sergio-br2 | no problem :) | 21:40 |
| sergio-br2 | you know when the git repo go to trusty? | 21:41 |
| sergio-br2 | is it you that make the package for ubuntu? | 21:41 |
| ochosi | no, i'm not doing any packaging | 21:42 |
| ochosi | i only push to the branch, then one of our packagers takes care of it | 21:42 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj put the xubuntu-artwork package in the sponsors queue, so whenever uploaders have time, they upload it | 21:42 |
| ochosi | my last push there was the 96px folders | 21:43 |
| ochosi | but we can try to do another package upload sometime after beta1 | 21:43 |
| sergio-br2 | give me a deadline, i can do some icons yet | 21:43 |
| ochosi | ok, let me check the release schedule quickly | 21:44 |
| ochosi | march13th is the UI freeze, so being ready with the icons on march 6th would be ideal | 21:45 |
| ochosi | then we have a week for our packagers to update the package and upload it | 21:45 |
| ochosi | so two weeks from now, a little less than that | 21:46 |
| sergio-br2 | no time to lose then | 21:51 |
| ochosi | yup | 21:52 |
| ochosi | nice to see that some folks on ubuntu also use our artwork :) | 21:53 |
| ochosi | bbl | 22:04 |
| Noskcaj | ochosi, It's been on the queue for 2 days now | 22:12 |
| jjfrv8 | knome, are you still around? | 22:32 |
| knome | jjfrv8, i am | 22:33 |
| jjfrv8 | did you want to work on the slideshow tonight? | 22:33 |
| knome | if you have time and motivation, we can do that | 22:33 |
| knome | as you most probably read, we have the weekend to land new things | 22:34 |
| knome | (for beta, then again for final) | 22:34 |
| jjfrv8 | I was going to try to finish xfdesktop for ochosi tonight and I only have a few hours available this weekend | 22:34 |
| knome | if you can push the slide you created to a branch, i'm fine with that | 22:35 |
| jjfrv8 | sure, I can do that | 22:35 |
| jjfrv8 | I'll probably have from around 14 to 16 tomorrow, that might be it for the weekend | 22:36 |
| jjfrv8 | but I'll push the slide in the next few minutes | 22:37 |
| knome | you should use the time you have for xfdesktop | 22:37 |
| knome | i can handle the slideshow for now | 22:37 |
| knome | and i'm most probably away at that time tomorrow | 22:37 |
| jjfrv8 | ok | 22:37 |
| slickymaster | hey knome, jjfrv8 | 22:41 |
| knome | heys li | 22:41 |
| knome | . | 22:41 |
| knome | hey slickymaster | 22:41 |
| slickymaster | it seems that I got here just in time | 22:41 |
| jjfrv8 | evening | 22:41 |
| knome | slickymaster, kind of :) | 22:47 |
| knome | slickymaster, did you have ideas for the slideshow? | 22:47 |
| jjfrv8 | knome, I've pushed the slideshow. You don't want a MP, do you? Just a link to the branch? | 22:50 |
| knome | jjfrv8, either one works for me | 22:53 |
| slickymaster | knome: I'm going to start on it now | 22:53 |
| knome | jjfrv8, but easier for you with no MP | 22:53 |
| knome | slickymaster, okay :) | 22:53 |
| jjfrv8 | knome, https://code.launchpad.net/~jjfrv8/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/personalize-desktop | 22:54 |
| knome | jjfrv8, thanks | 22:54 |
| slickymaster | knome: I think that all types of markting stuff are to be avoid, right? | 22:54 |
| knome | slickymaster, yep | 22:54 |
| knome | slickymaster, and boring applications listing | 22:54 |
| jjfrv8 | I didn't create a new slide, I just modified 01_internet.html | 22:54 |
| knome | jjfrv8, that works | 22:55 |
| knome | i'll sort it out if/when we get more stuff done today | 22:55 |
| slickymaster | it looks good jjfrv8 | 22:56 |
| jjfrv8 | thx | 22:56 |
| slickymaster | knome, jjfrv8 proposed text completely empties 2/3 of 05_desktop.html slide | 23:08 |
| knome | slickymaster, no problem, i'm not merging the branch as is | 23:08 |
| slickymaster | knome: remind me again how to build the slideshow locally, please | 23:12 |
| knome | slickymaster, ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu | 23:12 |
| slickymaster | ok, thanks | 23:12 |
| knome | http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/trusty_slideshow/personalize.png | 23:35 |
| knome | slickymaster, does that help your inspiration? | 23:35 |
| knome | note the different layout | 23:35 |
| knome | the shot is still to be replaced | 23:36 |
| knome | and i need the mugshot icon from somewhere | 23:36 |
| knome | file:///usr/share/doc/python-launchpadlib/docs/files/mugshot.png | 23:37 |
| knome | hahah. | 23:37 |
| knome | (did "locate mugshot.png") | 23:37 |
| knome | ochosi, ping | 23:38 |
| slickymaster | yeah, I allready had saw jjfrv8's slide | 23:38 |
| knome | yeah, but the layout is now fixed | 23:39 |
| slickymaster | the new layout is much better, more modern and fluid | 23:39 |
| knome | well, the best thing is that the text fits :P | 23:39 |
| slickymaster | yes, the worst thing is that I'm feeling empty :P | 23:40 |
| knome | let's have a brainstorm | 23:40 |
| knome | what do we want to tell about the user in the slideshow? | 23:41 |
| knome | - the customizing features | 23:41 |
| knome | - highlight of our applications | 23:41 |
| slickymaster | maybe the problem can be the fact that I'm much attached to the already existent text in the slides | 23:41 |
| knome | - some commonly dismissed features | 23:41 |
| knome | catfish? application finder? | 23:41 |
| knome | - whiskermenu? | 23:41 |
| knome | - panel layout | 23:42 |
| knome | - DOCS, help and support methods | 23:42 |
| slickymaster | abd are we to drop every mention to the media and internet applications? | 23:42 |
| knome | i just got an idea to do one slide with just some of the default applications listed | 23:43 |
| knome | do we want a slide about desktop looks customizing? (yeah) | 23:43 |
| knome | - ubuntu software center | 23:43 |
| knome | - thanks | 23:43 |
| slickymaster | tell me something does the number of slides has to remain the same? | 23:44 |
| knome | not at all | 23:44 |
| slickymaster | is that strict | 23:44 |
| knome | nope | 23:45 |
| knome | pretty much nothing is. | 23:45 |
| knome | we can even change the size of the slideshow window if we for some reason want to | 23:45 |
| slickymaster | don't think that would work much | 23:45 |
| knome | nope, but just giving you the idea how loose we are on everything | 23:46 |
| slickymaster | got it | 23:46 |
| slickymaster | another thing knome xx_newfeatures.html | 23:47 |
| knome | yep? | 23:47 |
| slickymaster | is still to be decided where it is going to be placed, right? | 23:47 |
| knome | yep, that's why the xx | 23:48 |
| slickymaster | thought so | 23:48 |
| knome | http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/trusty_slideshow/defaultapps.png | 23:52 |
| knome | slickymaster, give you inspiration? | 23:52 |
| knome | as you see, we can do whatever we want... | 23:53 |
| slickymaster | well, I'll give another try in the next half an hour | 23:56 |
| slickymaster | if nothing comes out, I'll sleep on it and hopefully I'll wake up tomorrow and produce something | 23:56 |
| slickymaster | defaultapps.png | 23:57 |
| knome | that it is | 23:58 |
| knome | ;) | 23:58 |
| slickymaster | is something we can use to the new features slide | 23:58 |
| slickymaster | the concept of the slide that is | 23:58 |
| knome | sure, if we find the right content for that format | 23:58 |
| knome | http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/trusty_slideshow/defaultapps2.png | 23:59 |
| slickymaster | I'm trying to sketch something up around whiskermenu | 23:59 |
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