| knome | i have idea for the "desktop" slide | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| knome | i'll make the slide emulate... the desktop! | 00:00 |
| slickymaster | that's sweet | 00:00 |
| knome | if we want to go *really* adventurous, i can even add some hover effects (like a menu opening), but don't hold your breath; we probably don't have space to do too much | 00:01 |
| knome | or time, in terms of how long the slide is shown | 00:01 |
| slickymaster | and that will also hav an impact in the package size, no? | 00:02 |
| slickymaster | have* | 00:02 |
| knome | not considerable | 00:02 |
| slickymaster | knome: for wiskermenu, two sentences | 00:07 |
| slickymaster | Get your favourite applications displayed as a favourites list. Reorder, remove, and add other entries just by right-clicking on an application result when browsing or searching. | 00:07 |
| slickymaster | If favourites just doesn’t do it for you, switch to the ‘Recently Used’ view and get a list of the 10 most recent applications you've ope | 00:08 |
| slickymaster | Get your favourite applications displayed as a favourites list. Reorder, remove, and add other entries just by right-clicking on an application result when browsing or searching. | 00:08 |
| slickymaster | If favourites just doesnâ'€™t do it for you, switch to the' ‘Recently Use'€™ view and get a list of the 10 most recent applications you've op | 00:08 |
| slickymaster | what do you think? | 00:09 |
| knome | i think your message is cut | 00:09 |
| knome | use a pastebin ;) | 00:09 |
| slickymaster | yeah, I've past it fom Geany | 00:10 |
| slickymaster | from | 00:10 |
| slickymaster | pastebin isn'r working | 00:11 |
| knome | :P | 00:12 |
| knome | use another | 00:12 |
| slickymaster | I'll email you | 00:12 |
| knome | sure | 00:12 |
| slickymaster | sent | 00:12 |
| knome | http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/trusty_slideshow/defaultapps3.png | 00:13 |
| slickymaster | it's coming together nicelly | 00:14 |
| slickymaster | regarding whislermenu I think that I should add the ability to search for applications from within the menu | 00:14 |
| knome | mhm | 00:15 |
| knome | re: email; yep, not bad. | 00:15 |
| slickymaster | lol, when you get to mhm, there's something coming my way | 00:15 |
| knome | hah! :) | 00:15 |
| slickymaster | id you saw what I said ^^Â | 00:16 |
| slickymaster | about the ability to search for applications from within the menu. | 00:16 |
| knome | yep | 00:16 |
| knome | that's a good addition | 00:16 |
| slickymaster | so, now my question is, will it replace an existing slide or it would be an addittion? | 00:17 |
| knome | depends | 00:17 |
| knome | the default apps slide replaces quite many | 00:17 |
| slickymaster | yes | 00:17 |
| slickymaster | and jjfrv8 at least two | 00:17 |
| knome | what was the other slide? | 00:18 |
| knome | actually | 00:18 |
| slickymaster | second please | 00:18 |
| knome | i think it's time to stop playing around | 00:18 |
| knome | let me push a new version in a branch soon. | 00:18 |
| knome | currently, we're down to 5 slides | 00:19 |
| knome | + one for "help" | 00:19 |
| knome | + one for whiskermenu | 00:19 |
| slickymaster | the other slide you were asking is the 05_desktop.html | 00:20 |
| knome | hmm, not really | 00:20 |
| knome | well | 00:20 |
| slickymaster | it refers, at least 2/3 of it, to what jjfrv8 is elaborating in his | 00:20 |
| knome | that's replaced by the panel layout slide | 00:20 |
| slickymaster | you're right, and actually some of it will be replaced by the potential wiskermenu slide | 00:22 |
| slickymaster | the "The launcher panel gives you quick access to your most important applications. It is set to ...." sentence | 00:23 |
| knome | pushin | 00:26 |
| knome | g | 00:26 |
| slickymaster | "Master the ability to search for applications from within the menu." | 00:26 |
| knome | https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1404-planning | 00:27 |
| knome | look at that. | 00:27 |
| slickymaster | what do you think, too much, isn't it? | 00:27 |
| slickymaster | going to pull it | 00:27 |
| knome | smells a bit like marketing ;) | 00:27 |
| slickymaster | a lot like :P | 00:28 |
| slickymaster | my connection is lousy tonight | 00:29 |
| knome | bzr branch --lightweight lp:~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1404-planning | 00:29 |
| knome | that should help | 00:29 |
| knome | wait | 00:30 |
| knome | what's that command again | 00:30 |
| slickymaster | it's almost done now | 00:30 |
| slickymaster | let me build it | 00:30 |
| knome | bzr checkout --lightweight ... | 00:31 |
| knome | but that doesn't seem like lightweight :P | 00:31 |
| knome | the branch has so much history | 00:31 |
| knome | and i guess it still needs to pull in quite much stuff | 00:31 |
| slickymaster | already builed it and saw it | 00:32 |
| knome | so, what do we think? :) | 00:32 |
| slickymaster | assuming that it's not the final number of slides | 00:33 |
| knome | not at all | 00:33 |
| slickymaster | i do like it | 00:33 |
| knome | and as you might guess, not all the content is final ;) | 00:33 |
| knome | so do you think we should refrain from adding more slides? | 00:33 |
| knome | or that we need more? | 00:33 |
| slickymaster | neither actually | 00:34 |
| slickymaster | I think you should be straight to the point | 00:34 |
| knome | my guess is that we might need a few more slides | 00:34 |
| knome | but that's still okay, and in the area of what i was thinking | 00:34 |
| knome | currently, the slideshow feels a bit end-heavy | 00:35 |
| knome | having the apps+help+thanks slides | 00:35 |
| slickymaster | but the present layou is more interconnected with the all ambience theme of xubuntu | 00:35 |
| knome | yep | 00:35 |
| knome | i'm wondering if we should do something that "breaks" the layout in the first slide | 00:35 |
| knome | centered text? | 00:35 |
| slickymaster | you're thinking of a total of what? 7 slides? | 00:36 |
| knome | no header banner? | 00:36 |
| knome | we currently have 6 in that branch | 00:36 |
| knome | +1 for whisker | 00:36 |
| knome | +1 for desktop looks customizin | 00:36 |
| slickymaster | help | 00:36 |
| knome | +1-2 for other stuff | 00:36 |
| slickymaster | yeah | 00:36 |
| knome | so around 10ish | 00:36 |
| slickymaster | ten would be a good number to calculate the time of each during the install | 00:37 |
| slickymaster | install time / 10 | 00:37 |
| knome | lol | 00:37 |
| knome | i think our calculators are able to do more complex calculations so we don't need to hit an even number ;) | 00:38 |
| slickymaster | about breaking up the layout, I would go with the no header Âoption | 00:38 |
| slickymaster | yeah, just joking ;) | 00:38 |
| knome | the problem with that is how to theme the forward-button | 00:38 |
| knome | i'd rather keep it visible anyway | 00:38 |
| knome | even if we could force it to be hidden in the first slide | 00:38 |
| knome | i'll try that. | 00:39 |
| knome | well, meh, no | 00:39 |
| slickymaster | not getting it | 00:39 |
| knome | then the user can't proceed and must wait 1/10 of the installation slide on that slide | 00:39 |
| knome | i think i'll try that anyway. | 00:39 |
| slickymaster | now I get i | 00:39 |
| slickymaster | it | 00:39 |
| knome | hmm, | 00:40 |
| knome | actually it's not so easy | 00:40 |
| slickymaster | while you try it, I'm going to smoke a cigarette | 00:40 |
| knome | heh | 00:40 |
| knome | i was thinking maybe i'll leave it | 00:40 |
| knome | i'm probably deciding to leave it visible anyway so... ;) | 00:40 |
| slickymaster | in the first one? | 00:40 |
| knome | yeah. | 00:40 |
| knome | that allows the user to go forward quickly if they want | 00:40 |
| slickymaster | and people do tend to be eager and feel the compulsion to do it | 00:41 |
| knome | yep | 00:41 |
| slickymaster | trying to think in a header for the whisker slide | 00:43 |
| slickymaster | while I smoke | 00:43 |
| knome | my experience says | 00:43 |
| knome | leave it to dead last | 00:43 |
| knome | it depends so much on what the next/prev slide is called | 00:43 |
| slickymaster | haven't thought of it that way, but I have a feelling you might be right | 00:43 |
| knome | but feel free to think something | 00:44 |
| knome | it might be good to have at least a draft | 00:44 |
| slickymaster | I'm going to use your empty layout's slides | 00:47 |
| knome | by all means | 00:47 |
| slickymaster | just to add the text | 00:48 |
| knome | tell me if you'd like to test alternative layouts :) | 00:48 |
| slickymaster | I do like this layout | 00:48 |
| knome | meh, | 00:48 |
| knome | dropping the header doesn't really work | 00:49 |
| knome | maybe make the whole slide darker? | 00:49 |
| slickymaster | how much darker? it can't be too much | 00:50 |
| knome | as dark as the header :) | 00:50 |
| slickymaster | hmm that might wotk | 00:50 |
| knome | nope. | 00:51 |
| knome | the transition doesn't work with that | 00:52 |
| slickymaster | have you tried to centered the text? | 00:52 |
| knome | i did | 00:52 |
| knome | well, not the text, but the headers | 00:53 |
| slickymaster | even though I don't think it would work | 00:53 |
| knome | that didn't work | 00:53 |
| knome | and i don't think it would work with the text either | 00:53 |
| knome | but i can try... | 00:53 |
| knome | centering it to full slideshow width doesn't work | 00:54 |
| knome | centering it in the space it is now looks barely different, but makes it less legible | 00:55 |
| slickymaster | besides those, anything comes to mind? | 00:56 |
| knome | not right now | 00:56 |
| knome | maybe some artwork on the left hand side | 00:56 |
| knome | because that's not affected by the transition | 00:56 |
| knome | but that might affect how the rest of the slide looks, the text on the right hand side might be a bit odd | 00:56 |
| slickymaster | the size of the artwork would be crucial | 00:57 |
| knome | yep | 00:58 |
| slickymaster | we do have also to get the png's for the new applications | 00:59 |
| knome | sure | 00:59 |
| knome | but that's a minor headache | 00:59 |
| knome | i can do placeholders for beta | 00:59 |
| slickymaster | comyes, comparatively, is | 00:59 |
| slickymaster | knome: http://pastebin.com/WbX66HkJ | 01:08 |
| knome | blah @ shots | 01:08 |
| knome | i think we can have at maximum 2 screenshots | 01:09 |
| knome | and not in following slides | 01:09 |
| slickymaster | did you saw my proposal? | 01:10 |
| slickymaster | including the header | 01:10 |
| knome | yep | 01:10 |
| knome | the shots comment was directed at that ;) | 01:11 |
| knome | but the content looks good as it is | 01:11 |
| slickymaster | well the shots tag is an existence | 01:11 |
| knome | hehe | 01:12 |
| knome | yep | 01:12 |
| slickymaster | I think that only one will suffice | 01:12 |
| slickymaster | for that slide | 01:12 |
| knome | shot? | 01:12 |
| knome | i was thinking at max two shots for the whole slideshow ;) | 01:13 |
| slickymaster | don't you think we'll end up with a slideshow too heavy on text? | 01:14 |
| knome | it doesn't need to be text, but no screenshots for every slide plz ;) | 01:15 |
| jjfrv8 | you guys are having all the fun :) | 01:15 |
| knome | heh | 01:16 |
| slickymaster | we'll be pulling out hair in no time jjfrv8 | 01:16 |
| slickymaster | but going back to the whisker one, do you think I can leave that text and move to another or do you think it can still be tweaked knome | 01:17 |
| slickymaster | jjfrv8: http://pastebin.com/WbX66HkJ | 01:17 |
| knome | let's leave it like that, we can improve after the beta | 01:17 |
| slickymaster | what do you think? | 01:17 |
| knome | my goal is to have something new for the betas | 01:17 |
| knome | then improve on that | 01:17 |
| slickymaster | hm hm | 01:18 |
| knome | because with the betas, and testing, lots of people NEED to look at those | 01:18 |
| knome | and they will notice us if the slides are crappy :) | 01:18 |
| jjfrv8 | should we be using US English spelling? | 01:20 |
| jjfrv8 | or does this stuff get translated? | 01:20 |
| knome | jjfrv8, i guess pleia2 would argue on that :) | 01:20 |
| slickymaster | as for new slides there's still the help left to do, right? | 01:25 |
| knome | i've updated my branch | 01:26 |
| knome | yeah, but that's pretty easy to lay down | 01:26 |
| knome | then there's the desktop customization | 01:26 |
| knome | which we need to do with ochosi | 01:26 |
| knome | oh, that reminds me | 01:26 |
| slickymaster | of...? | 01:26 |
| knome | gtk-theme-config. | 01:26 |
| knome | release notes | 01:27 |
| slickymaster | hasn't ochosi already wrote something about it in the pad? | 01:27 |
| knome | nope | 01:27 |
| knome | he hasn't wrote much anything yet :) | 01:27 |
| knome | i'm the violet AND light blue :) | 01:28 |
| knome | now i'm the light blue and light blue | 01:28 |
| slickymaster | oh thought that was ochosi | 01:29 |
| knome | nah ;) | 01:29 |
| knome | i guess ochosi is the brownish one | 01:29 |
| slickymaster | I always get stuck with the :P | 01:30 |
| knome | "the :P" | 01:30 |
| slickymaster | the pad is assuming I'm pleia2 | 01:30 |
| knome | hahah | 01:30 |
| slickymaster | pink | 01:30 |
| knome | but... was there other ideas for the slideshow atm? | 01:31 |
| slickymaster | we began to diverge | 01:32 |
| jjfrv8 | I'm just looking at it now. The previous version had a bunch of blank slides. This one looks better. | 01:32 |
| knome | but that's best ;) | 01:32 |
| knome | jjfrv8, that's intentional. i just wanted it out :) | 01:32 |
| knome | will eventually push it to the main branch with cleanup etc. | 01:32 |
| slickymaster | knome: do you want me to branch the whisker slide? | 01:33 |
| knome | slickymaster, it's in my latest | 01:34 |
| slickymaster | haven't pulled it yet | 01:34 |
| knome | brb | 01:34 |
| knome | hmph, right | 01:43 |
| knome | anything you might need from me now? | 01:43 |
| knome | considering going to bed soonish | 01:44 |
| slickymaster | nopes knome | 01:44 |
| slickymaster | I'm also heading to the same place myself | 01:44 |
| knome | hmm, i don't think there's room for us both | 01:44 |
| jjfrv8 | not tonight but what do you want me to do next? | 01:44 |
| knome | you can have the sofa | 01:44 |
| jjfrv8 | lol | 01:44 |
| slickymaster | nahhh | 01:44 |
| knome | jjfrv8, if you can improve the slideshow someway, that's welcome | 01:45 |
| knome | jjfrv8, or just the xfdesktop docs | 01:45 |
| knome | jjfrv8, or if you have ideas for the website stuff... | 01:45 |
| jjfrv8 | I finished the latter (I hope) | 01:45 |
| knome | anything really. we aren't in a big rush yet | 01:45 |
| * knome looks at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-docs | 01:45 | |
| slickymaster | will you both be around tomorrow? | 01:45 |
| knome | slickymaster, i will be, but no promises of certain times | 01:46 |
| knome | [jjfrv8] Write documentation for MenuLibre: INPROGRESS | 01:46 |
| knome | jjfrv8, is that done? | 01:46 |
| jjfrv8 | I just meant on the slideshow. slickymaster, I'll only be available from about 14 to 16. | 01:46 |
| knome | ah, heh | 01:46 |
| knome | i don't know | 01:46 |
| knome | you can write the docs/help slide | 01:46 |
| knome | or think if we still miss something | 01:47 |
| knome | i really don't know at this point | 01:47 |
| knome | need to see all the stuff pulled together before being able to say if it still needs something | 01:47 |
| jjfrv8 | menulibre is still waiting for bluesabre's final release from last weekend, but it's mostly complete. | 01:48 |
| knome | okay | 01:48 |
| slickymaster | there's still the desktop slide to be rewriten | 01:48 |
| knome | that needs the artwork | 01:48 |
| slickymaster | yeasps | 01:48 |
| jjfrv8 | i'll have to read the backlog to digest all the brainstorming you guys did so I don't go where I shouldn't | 01:48 |
| knome | not sure how i'll do it, but you proably should leave that to me | 01:49 |
| knome | because i'm pretty sure it will need some aligning | 01:49 |
| slickymaster | lol as you're at it jjfrv8, also read -off backlog | 01:49 |
| knome | about the artists? :P | 01:50 |
| knome | not much there | 01:50 |
| slickymaster | you'll find some good tips of music o go along while you read the -devel backlog | 01:50 |
| knome | hehe :) | 01:50 |
| knome | considering you like jazz | 01:51 |
| slickymaster | well guys, Im off for today | 01:51 |
| knome | night slickymaster :) | 01:51 |
| slickymaster | yes, considering that | 01:51 |
| slickymaster | cy | 01:51 |
| jjfrv8 | later, dude | 01:51 |
| slickymaster | good night to the both | 01:51 |
| slickymaster | -> | 01:51 |
| knome | yeah, i'm off as well | 01:56 |
| knome | nighty, and thanks jjfrv8 | 01:57 |
| knome | ping me if you need to ask anything, and i'll reply when i get back | 01:57 |
| jjfrv8 | thank you, sir, and good night | 01:57 |
| knome | -> | 01:57 |
| jjfrv8 | ochosi, Preferences ready for your review. | 02:18 |
| jjfrv8 | It's pretty sparse. I tried to just hit the highlights so as not to duplicate what's in Usage. I hope that's what you intended. | 02:18 |
| jjfrv8 | knome, my attempt: http://imagebin.org/294955 | 03:18 |
| jjfrv8 | knome: https://code.launchpad.net/~jjfrv8/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/help-support | 03:21 |
| jjfrv8 | back later today | 03:24 |
| Noskcaj | ali1234, Is the patch for bug 1282509 safe for me to package for xubuntu? Also, are there any other patches i should include | 07:08 |
| ubottu | bug 1282509 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop crashed with SIGSEGV in xfce_desktop_refresh()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282509 | 07:08 |
| ochosi | morning everyone | 08:41 |
| Noskcaj | hey ochosi | 08:46 |
| ochosi | hey Noskcaj | 08:46 |
| Noskcaj | Any patches we need for xfdesktop except the one for bug 1282509 | 08:47 |
| ubottu | bug 1282509 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop crashed with SIGSEGV in xfce_desktop_refresh()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282509 | 08:47 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj: i don't think it's a good idea to package that straight away | 08:47 |
| ochosi | i'm sure eric will look at that as soon as he can | 08:48 |
| ochosi | no need to rush a bugfix when the patch is only a workaround for a problem we don't understand yet | 08:48 |
| Noskcaj | yeah, i was waiting for someone who understands it to confirm it. Just getting the preparation done | 08:48 |
| ochosi | (we can do that if it isn't fixed in the last minute) | 08:48 |
| ochosi | it's even possible that there'll be a .4 bugfix release in time, who knows | 08:48 |
| ochosi | but anyway, waiting for eric's feedback is a good start | 08:49 |
| ochosi | should be a lesson to test things before uploading... | 08:49 |
| Noskcaj | yeah. I always want someone to have tested it, at least for patches | 08:50 |
| ochosi | yeah, but also for releases | 08:51 |
| ochosi | i mean at least with this one there was no need to rush it as it was bugfix-only | 08:51 |
| ochosi | so we could've pushed it anytime | 08:51 |
| ochosi | anyhoo, i think now the sponsors are taking a day or two of rest after FF | 08:52 |
| ochosi | seems very quiet over there | 08:52 |
| Noskcaj | yeah, i've got a fair few things already, mostly ubuntu gnome | 08:54 |
| Noskcaj | Is there much that xubuntu still needs done this cycle? | 08:55 |
| ochosi | there are a few things that are coming up before UI freeze | 08:56 |
| ochosi | we might need another upload for xubuntu-artwork | 08:56 |
| ochosi | and another for shimmer-themes | 08:56 |
| ochosi | as there were some fixes already, and some are still to-do | 08:56 |
| ochosi | could be that light-locker-settings will need a bugfix update, as it's a young application, so possible that people stubmle upon bugs | 08:57 |
| Noskcaj | ok. ping me if xubuntu-artwork get's another commit, it's still not uploaded | 08:57 |
| Noskcaj | i should probably get off the computer now, bye | 08:58 |
| Noskcaj | although light-locker-settings isn't in the repo yet | 08:59 |
| ochosi | sergio-br2: i just pushed a few mimes | 11:19 |
| ochosi | also one for 96px that you can use as template for other mimes | 11:20 |
| sergio-br2 | good | 12:07 |
| ochosi | also started to work on some social icons | 12:07 |
| ochosi | and i'm considering to drop the social/ folder alltogether | 12:08 |
| ochosi | just noticed it isn't even in use (not listed in index.theme) | 12:08 |
| ochosi | unless you know of an app that uses the social/16 part | 12:08 |
| ochosi | (social/48 has been merged to apps/48) | 12:08 |
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| sergio-br2 | ochosi, is it possible to merge only some commits? | 16:13 |
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| ali1234 | ochosi: lightdm-gtk-greeter has some funny bug with the background | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | if you have overlapping monitors it draws stuff all over the place | 20:05 |
| ali1234 | also the accountservice link seems to be broken | 20:05 |
| ochosi | ali1234: yeah, currently it doesn't very actively handle multi-monitor situations | 20:16 |
| ochosi | it's on our roadmap for the next version, but if you wanna contribute a patch, feel free to | 20:17 |
| ochosi | what's broken with accountsservice exactly? the wallpaper? if so, are you using the latest version of xfdesktop? (i ported the patch for 4.11) | 20:17 |
| brainwash | ochosi: the black email header issue has been fixed in the latest evolution package (ubuntu) | 20:26 |
| brainwash | I've noticed another thing which has been mentioned here by elfy I think | 20:28 |
| brainwash | the infobar in the login box is different when I use greybird from the shimmer-themes package | 20:29 |
| brainwash | basically no background and red font | 20:29 |
| ali1234 | ochosi: trouble is i think that xfdesktop needs reworking first | 22:52 |
| knome | many slicky masters | 23:34 |
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