[00:00] i have idea for the "desktop" slide [00:00] i'll make the slide emulate... the desktop! [00:00] that's sweet [00:01] if we want to go *really* adventurous, i can even add some hover effects (like a menu opening), but don't hold your breath; we probably don't have space to do too much [00:01] or time, in terms of how long the slide is shown [00:02] and that will also hav an impact in the package size, no? [00:02] have* [00:02] not considerable [00:07] knome: for wiskermenu, two sentences [00:07] Get your favourite applications displayed as a favourites list. Reorder, remove, and add other entries just by right-clicking on an application result when browsing or searching. [00:08] If favourites just doesn’t do it for you, switch to the ‘Recently Used’ view and get a list of the 10 most recent applications you've ope [00:08] Get your favourite applications displayed as a favourites list. Reorder, remove, and add other entries just by right-clicking on an application result when browsing or searching. [00:08] If favourites just doesnâ'€™t do it for you, switch to the' â€˜Recently Use'€™ view and get a list of the 10 most recent applications you've op [00:09] what do you think? [00:09] i think your message is cut [00:09] use a pastebin ;) [00:10] yeah, I've past it fom Geany [00:10] from [00:11] pastebin isn'r working [00:12] :P [00:12] use another [00:12] I'll email you [00:12] sure [00:12] sent [00:13] http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/trusty_slideshow/defaultapps3.png [00:14] it's coming together nicelly [00:14] regarding whislermenu I think that I should add the ability to search for applications from within the menu [00:15] mhm [00:15] re: email; yep, not bad. [00:15] lol, when you get to mhm, there's something coming my way [00:15] hah! :) [00:16] id you saw what I said ^^Â [00:16] about the ability to search for applications from within the menu. [00:16] yep [00:16] that's a good addition [00:17] so, now my question is, will it replace an existing slide or it would be an addittion? [00:17] depends [00:17] the default apps slide replaces quite many [00:17] yes [00:17] and jjfrv8 at least two [00:18] what was the other slide? [00:18] actually [00:18] second please [00:18] i think it's time to stop playing around [00:18] let me push a new version in a branch soon. [00:19] currently, we're down to 5 slides [00:19] + one for "help" [00:19] + one for whiskermenu [00:20] the other slide you were asking is the 05_desktop.html [00:20] hmm, not really [00:20] well [00:20] it refers, at least 2/3 of it, to what jjfrv8 is elaborating in his [00:20] that's replaced by the panel layout slide [00:22] you're right, and actually some of it will be replaced by the potential wiskermenu slide [00:23] the "The launcher panel gives you quick access to your most important applications. It is set to ...." sentence [00:26] pushin [00:26] g [00:26] "Master the ability to search for applications from within the menu." [00:27] https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1404-planning [00:27] look at that. [00:27] what do you think, too much, isn't it? [00:27] going to pull it [00:27] smells a bit like marketing ;) [00:28] a lot like :P [00:29] my connection is lousy tonight [00:29] bzr branch --lightweight lp:~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1404-planning [00:29] that should help [00:30] wait [00:30] what's that command again [00:30] it's almost done now [00:30] let me build it [00:31] bzr checkout --lightweight ... [00:31] but that doesn't seem like lightweight :P [00:31] the branch has so much history [00:31] and i guess it still needs to pull in quite much stuff [00:32] already builed it and saw it [00:32] so, what do we think? :) [00:33] assuming that it's not the final number of slides [00:33] not at all [00:33] i do like it [00:33] and as you might guess, not all the content is final ;) [00:33] so do you think we should refrain from adding more slides? [00:33] or that we need more? [00:34] neither actually [00:34] I think you should be straight to the point [00:34] my guess is that we might need a few more slides [00:34] but that's still okay, and in the area of what i was thinking [00:35] currently, the slideshow feels a bit end-heavy [00:35] having the apps+help+thanks slides [00:35] but the present layou is more interconnected with the all ambience theme of xubuntu [00:35] yep [00:35] i'm wondering if we should do something that "breaks" the layout in the first slide [00:35] centered text? [00:36] you're thinking of a total of what? 7 slides? [00:36] no header banner? [00:36] we currently have 6 in that branch [00:36] +1 for whisker [00:36] +1 for desktop looks customizin [00:36] help [00:36] +1-2 for other stuff [00:36] yeah [00:36] so around 10ish [00:37] ten would be a good number to calculate the time of each during the install [00:37] install time / 10 [00:37] lol [00:38] i think our calculators are able to do more complex calculations so we don't need to hit an even number ;) [00:38] about breaking up the layout, I would go with the no header Âoption [00:38] yeah, just joking ;) [00:38] the problem with that is how to theme the forward-button [00:38] i'd rather keep it visible anyway [00:38] even if we could force it to be hidden in the first slide [00:39] i'll try that. [00:39] well, meh, no [00:39] not getting it [00:39] then the user can't proceed and must wait 1/10 of the installation slide on that slide [00:39] i think i'll try that anyway. [00:39] now I get i [00:39] it [00:40] hmm, [00:40] actually it's not so easy [00:40] while you try it, I'm going to smoke a cigarette [00:40] heh [00:40] i was thinking maybe i'll leave it [00:40] i'm probably deciding to leave it visible anyway so... ;) [00:40] in the first one? [00:40] yeah. [00:40] that allows the user to go forward quickly if they want [00:41] and people do tend to be eager and feel the compulsion to do it [00:41] yep [00:43] trying to think in a header for the whisker slide [00:43] while I smoke [00:43] my experience says [00:43] leave it to dead last [00:43] it depends so much on what the next/prev slide is called [00:43] haven't thought of it that way, but I have a feelling you might be right [00:44] but feel free to think something [00:44] it might be good to have at least a draft [00:47] I'm going to use your empty layout's slides [00:47] by all means [00:48] just to add the text [00:48] tell me if you'd like to test alternative layouts :) [00:48] I do like this layout [00:48] meh, [00:49] dropping the header doesn't really work [00:49] maybe make the whole slide darker? [00:50] how much darker? it can't be too much [00:50] as dark as the header :) [00:50] hmm that might wotk [00:51] nope. [00:52] the transition doesn't work with that [00:52] have you tried to centered the text? [00:52] i did [00:53] well, not the text, but the headers [00:53] even though I don't think it would work [00:53] that didn't work [00:53] and i don't think it would work with the text either [00:53] but i can try... [00:54] centering it to full slideshow width doesn't work [00:55] centering it in the space it is now looks barely different, but makes it less legible [00:56] besides those, anything comes to mind? [00:56] not right now [00:56] maybe some artwork on the left hand side [00:56] because that's not affected by the transition [00:56] but that might affect how the rest of the slide looks, the text on the right hand side might be a bit odd [00:57] the size of the artwork would be crucial [00:58] yep [00:59] we do have also to get the png's for the new applications [00:59] sure [00:59] but that's a minor headache [00:59] i can do placeholders for beta [00:59] comyes, comparatively, is [01:08] knome: http://pastebin.com/WbX66HkJ [01:08] blah @ shots [01:09] i think we can have at maximum 2 screenshots [01:09] and not in following slides [01:10] did you saw my proposal? [01:10] including the header [01:10] yep [01:11] the shots comment was directed at that ;) [01:11] but the content looks good as it is [01:11] well the shots tag is an existence [01:12] hehe [01:12] yep [01:12] I think that only one will suffice [01:12] for that slide [01:12] shot? [01:13] i was thinking at max two shots for the whole slideshow ;) [01:14] don't you think we'll end up with a slideshow too heavy on text? [01:15] it doesn't need to be text, but no screenshots for every slide plz ;) [01:15] you guys are having all the fun :) [01:16] heh [01:16] we'll be pulling out hair in no time jjfrv8 [01:17] but going back to the whisker one, do you think I can leave that text and move to another or do you think it can still be tweaked knome [01:17] jjfrv8: http://pastebin.com/WbX66HkJ [01:17] let's leave it like that, we can improve after the beta [01:17] what do you think? [01:17] my goal is to have something new for the betas [01:17] then improve on that [01:18] hm hm [01:18] because with the betas, and testing, lots of people NEED to look at those [01:18] and they will notice us if the slides are crappy :) [01:20] should we be using US English spelling? [01:20] or does this stuff get translated? [01:20] jjfrv8, i guess pleia2 would argue on that :) [01:25] as for new slides there's still the help left to do, right? [01:26] i've updated my branch [01:26] yeah, but that's pretty easy to lay down [01:26] then there's the desktop customization [01:26] which we need to do with ochosi [01:26] oh, that reminds me [01:26] of...? [01:26] gtk-theme-config. [01:27] release notes [01:27] hasn't ochosi already wrote something about it in the pad? [01:27] nope [01:27] he hasn't wrote much anything yet :) [01:28] i'm the violet AND light blue :) [01:28] now i'm the light blue and light blue [01:29] oh thought that was ochosi [01:29] nah ;) [01:29] i guess ochosi is the brownish one [01:30] I always get stuck with the :P [01:30] "the :P" [01:30] the pad is assuming I'm pleia2 [01:30] hahah [01:30] pink [01:31] but... was there other ideas for the slideshow atm? [01:32] we began to diverge [01:32] I'm just looking at it now. The previous version had a bunch of blank slides. This one looks better. [01:32] but that's best ;) [01:32] jjfrv8, that's intentional. i just wanted it out :) [01:32] will eventually push it to the main branch with cleanup etc. [01:33] knome: do you want me to branch the whisker slide? [01:34] slickymaster, it's in my latest [01:34] haven't pulled it yet [01:34] brb [01:43] hmph, right [01:43] anything you might need from me now? [01:44] considering going to bed soonish [01:44] nopes knome [01:44] I'm also heading to the same place myself [01:44] hmm, i don't think there's room for us both [01:44] not tonight but what do you want me to do next? [01:44] you can have the sofa [01:44] lol [01:44] nahhh [01:45] jjfrv8, if you can improve the slideshow someway, that's welcome [01:45] jjfrv8, or just the xfdesktop docs [01:45] jjfrv8, or if you have ideas for the website stuff... [01:45] I finished the latter (I hope) [01:45] anything really. we aren't in a big rush yet [01:45] * knome looks at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-docs [01:45] will you both be around tomorrow? [01:46] slickymaster, i will be, but no promises of certain times [01:46] [jjfrv8] Write documentation for MenuLibre: INPROGRESS [01:46] jjfrv8, is that done? [01:46] I just meant on the slideshow. slickymaster, I'll only be available from about 14 to 16. [01:46] ah, heh [01:46] i don't know [01:46] you can write the docs/help slide [01:47] or think if we still miss something [01:47] i really don't know at this point [01:47] need to see all the stuff pulled together before being able to say if it still needs something [01:48] menulibre is still waiting for bluesabre's final release from last weekend, but it's mostly complete. [01:48] okay [01:48] there's still the desktop slide to be rewriten [01:48] that needs the artwork [01:48] yeasps [01:48] i'll have to read the backlog to digest all the brainstorming you guys did so I don't go where I shouldn't [01:49] not sure how i'll do it, but you proably should leave that to me [01:49] because i'm pretty sure it will need some aligning [01:49] lol as you're at it jjfrv8, also read -off backlog [01:50] about the artists? :P [01:50] not much there [01:50] you'll find some good tips of music o go along while you read the -devel backlog [01:50] hehe :) [01:51] considering you like jazz [01:51] well guys, Im off for today [01:51] night slickymaster :) [01:51] yes, considering that [01:51] cy [01:51] later, dude [01:51] good night to the both [01:51] -> [01:56] yeah, i'm off as well [01:57] nighty, and thanks jjfrv8 [01:57] ping me if you need to ask anything, and i'll reply when i get back [01:57] thank you, sir, and good night [01:57] -> [02:18] ochosi, Preferences ready for your review. [02:18] It's pretty sparse. I tried to just hit the highlights so as not to duplicate what's in Usage. I hope that's what you intended. [03:18] knome, my attempt: http://imagebin.org/294955 [03:21] knome: https://code.launchpad.net/~jjfrv8/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/help-support [03:24] back later today [07:08] ali1234, Is the patch for bug 1282509 safe for me to package for xubuntu? Also, are there any other patches i should include [07:08] bug 1282509 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop crashed with SIGSEGV in xfce_desktop_refresh()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282509 [08:41] morning everyone [08:46] hey ochosi [08:46] hey Noskcaj [08:47] Any patches we need for xfdesktop except the one for bug 1282509 [08:47] bug 1282509 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop crashed with SIGSEGV in xfce_desktop_refresh()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282509 [08:47] Noskcaj: i don't think it's a good idea to package that straight away [08:48] i'm sure eric will look at that as soon as he can [08:48] no need to rush a bugfix when the patch is only a workaround for a problem we don't understand yet [08:48] yeah, i was waiting for someone who understands it to confirm it. Just getting the preparation done [08:48] (we can do that if it isn't fixed in the last minute) [08:48] it's even possible that there'll be a .4 bugfix release in time, who knows [08:49] but anyway, waiting for eric's feedback is a good start [08:49] should be a lesson to test things before uploading... [08:50] yeah. I always want someone to have tested it, at least for patches [08:51] yeah, but also for releases [08:51] i mean at least with this one there was no need to rush it as it was bugfix-only [08:51] so we could've pushed it anytime [08:52] anyhoo, i think now the sponsors are taking a day or two of rest after FF [08:52] seems very quiet over there [08:54] yeah, i've got a fair few things already, mostly ubuntu gnome [08:55] Is there much that xubuntu still needs done this cycle? [08:56] there are a few things that are coming up before UI freeze [08:56] we might need another upload for xubuntu-artwork [08:56] and another for shimmer-themes [08:56] as there were some fixes already, and some are still to-do [08:57] could be that light-locker-settings will need a bugfix update, as it's a young application, so possible that people stubmle upon bugs [08:57] ok. ping me if xubuntu-artwork get's another commit, it's still not uploaded [08:58] i should probably get off the computer now, bye [08:59] although light-locker-settings isn't in the repo yet [11:19] sergio-br2: i just pushed a few mimes [11:20] also one for 96px that you can use as template for other mimes [12:07] good [12:07] also started to work on some social icons [12:08] and i'm considering to drop the social/ folder alltogether [12:08] just noticed it isn't even in use (not listed in index.theme) [12:08] unless you know of an app that uses the social/16 part [12:08] (social/48 has been merged to apps/48) === micahg is now known as 92AAAIQ31 === Punna is now known as Pwnna [16:13] ochosi, is it possible to merge only some commits? === bluesabre2 is now known as 92AAAI6OP === eric_the_idiot is now known as Guest16172 === yofel is now known as Guest6792 === Guest6792 is now known as yofel === Noskcaj is now known as 43UAAKMF2 [20:04] ochosi: lightdm-gtk-greeter has some funny bug with the background [20:05] if you have overlapping monitors it draws stuff all over the place [20:05] also the accountservice link seems to be broken [20:16] ali1234: yeah, currently it doesn't very actively handle multi-monitor situations [20:17] it's on our roadmap for the next version, but if you wanna contribute a patch, feel free to [20:17] what's broken with accountsservice exactly? the wallpaper? if so, are you using the latest version of xfdesktop? (i ported the patch for 4.11) [20:26] ochosi: the black email header issue has been fixed in the latest evolution package (ubuntu) [20:28] I've noticed another thing which has been mentioned here by elfy I think [20:29] the infobar in the login box is different when I use greybird from the shimmer-themes package [20:29] basically no background and red font [22:52] ochosi: trouble is i think that xfdesktop needs reworking first [23:34] many slicky masters