[00:00] <knome> i have idea for the "desktop" slide
[00:00] <knome> i'll make the slide emulate... the desktop!
[00:00] <slickymaster> that's sweet
[00:01] <knome> if we want to go *really* adventurous, i can even add some hover effects (like a menu opening), but don't hold your breath; we probably don't have space to do too much
[00:01] <knome> or time, in terms of how long the slide is shown
[00:02] <slickymaster> and that will also hav an impact in the package size, no?
[00:02] <slickymaster> have*
[00:02] <knome> not considerable
[00:07] <slickymaster> knome: for wiskermenu, two sentences
[00:07] <slickymaster> Get your favourite applications displayed as a favourites list.  Reorder, remove, and add other entries just by right-clicking on an application result when browsing or searching.
[00:08] <slickymaster> If favourites just doesn’t do it for you, switch to the ‘Recently Used’ view and get a list of the 10 most recent applications you've ope
[00:08] <slickymaster> Get your favourite applications displayed as a favourites list.  Reorder, remove, and add other entries just by right-clicking on an application result when browsing or searching.
[00:08] <slickymaster> If favourites just doesnâ'€™t do it for you, switch to the' â€˜Recently Use'€™ view and get a list of the 10 most recent applications you've op
[00:09] <slickymaster> what do you think?
[00:09] <knome> i think your message is cut
[00:09] <knome> use a pastebin ;)
[00:10] <slickymaster> yeah, I've past it fom Geany
[00:10] <slickymaster> from
[00:11] <slickymaster> pastebin isn'r working
[00:12] <knome> :P
[00:12] <knome> use another
[00:12] <slickymaster> I'll email you
[00:12] <knome> sure
[00:12] <slickymaster> sent
[00:13] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/trusty_slideshow/defaultapps3.png
[00:14] <slickymaster> it's coming together nicelly
[00:14] <slickymaster> regarding whislermenu I think that I should add the ability to search for applications from within the menu
[00:15] <knome> mhm
[00:15] <knome> re: email; yep, not bad.
[00:15] <slickymaster> lol, when you get to mhm, there's something coming my way
[00:15] <knome> hah! :)
[00:16] <slickymaster> id you saw what I said ^^Â
[00:16] <slickymaster> about the ability to search for applications from within the menu.
[00:16] <knome> yep
[00:16] <knome> that's a good addition
[00:17] <slickymaster> so, now my question is, will it replace an existing slide or it would be an addittion?
[00:17] <knome> depends
[00:17] <knome> the default apps slide replaces quite many
[00:17] <slickymaster> yes
[00:17] <slickymaster> and jjfrv8 at least two
[00:18] <knome> what was the other slide?
[00:18] <knome> actually
[00:18] <slickymaster> second please
[00:18] <knome> i think it's time to stop playing around
[00:18] <knome> let me push a new version in a branch soon.
[00:19] <knome> currently, we're down to 5 slides
[00:19] <knome> + one for "help"
[00:19] <knome> + one for whiskermenu
[00:20] <slickymaster> the other slide you were asking is the 05_desktop.html
[00:20] <knome> hmm, not really
[00:20] <knome> well
[00:20] <slickymaster> it refers, at least 2/3 of it, to what jjfrv8 is elaborating in his
[00:20] <knome> that's replaced by the panel layout slide
[00:22] <slickymaster> you're right, and actually some of it will be replaced by the potential wiskermenu slide
[00:23] <slickymaster> the "The launcher panel gives you quick access to your most important applications. It is set to ...." sentence
[00:26] <knome> pushin
[00:26] <knome> g
[00:26] <slickymaster> "Master the ability to search for applications from within the menu."
[00:27] <knome> https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1404-planning
[00:27] <knome> look at that.
[00:27] <slickymaster> what do you think, too much, isn't it?
[00:27] <slickymaster> going to pull it
[00:27] <knome> smells a bit like marketing ;)
[00:28] <slickymaster> a lot like :P
[00:29] <slickymaster> my connection is lousy tonight
[00:29] <knome> bzr branch --lightweight lp:~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1404-planning
[00:29] <knome> that should help
[00:30] <knome> wait
[00:30] <knome> what's that command again
[00:30] <slickymaster> it's almost done now
[00:30] <slickymaster> let me build it
[00:31] <knome> bzr checkout --lightweight ...
[00:31] <knome> but that doesn't seem like lightweight :P
[00:31] <knome> the branch has so much history
[00:31] <knome> and i guess it still needs to pull in quite much stuff
[00:32] <slickymaster> already builed it and saw it
[00:32] <knome> so, what do we think? :)
[00:33] <slickymaster> assuming that it's not the final number of slides
[00:33] <knome> not at all
[00:33] <slickymaster> i do like it
[00:33] <knome> and as you might guess, not all the content is final ;)
[00:33] <knome> so do you think we should refrain from adding more slides?
[00:33] <knome> or that we need more?
[00:34] <slickymaster> neither actually
[00:34] <slickymaster> I think you should be straight to the point
[00:34] <knome> my guess is that we might need a few more slides
[00:34] <knome> but that's still okay, and in the area of what i was thinking
[00:35] <knome> currently, the slideshow feels a bit end-heavy
[00:35] <knome> having the apps+help+thanks slides
[00:35] <slickymaster> but the present layou is more interconnected with the all ambience theme of xubuntu
[00:35] <knome> yep
[00:35] <knome> i'm wondering if we should do something that "breaks" the layout in the first slide
[00:35] <knome> centered text?
[00:36] <slickymaster> you're thinking of a total of what? 7 slides?
[00:36] <knome> no header banner?
[00:36] <knome> we currently have 6 in that branch
[00:36] <knome> +1 for whisker
[00:36] <knome> +1 for desktop looks customizin
[00:36] <slickymaster> help
[00:36] <knome> +1-2 for other stuff
[00:36] <slickymaster> yeah
[00:36] <knome> so around 10ish
[00:37] <slickymaster> ten would be a good number to calculate the time of each during the install
[00:37] <slickymaster> install time / 10 
[00:37] <knome> lol
[00:38] <knome> i think our calculators are able to do more complex calculations so we don't need to hit an even number ;)
[00:38] <slickymaster> about breaking up the layout, I would go with the no header Âoption
[00:38] <slickymaster> yeah, just joking ;)
[00:38] <knome> the problem with that is how to theme the forward-button
[00:38] <knome> i'd rather keep it visible anyway
[00:38] <knome> even if we could force it to be hidden in the first slide
[00:39] <knome> i'll try that.
[00:39] <knome> well, meh, no
[00:39] <slickymaster> not getting it
[00:39] <knome> then the user can't proceed and must wait 1/10 of the installation slide on that slide
[00:39] <knome> i think i'll try that anyway.
[00:39] <slickymaster> now I get i
[00:39] <slickymaster> it
[00:40] <knome> hmm,
[00:40] <knome> actually it's not so easy
[00:40] <slickymaster> while you try it, I'm going to smoke a cigarette
[00:40] <knome> heh
[00:40] <knome> i was thinking maybe i'll leave it
[00:40] <knome> i'm probably deciding to leave it visible anyway so... ;)
[00:40] <slickymaster> in the first one?
[00:40] <knome> yeah.
[00:40] <knome> that allows the user to go forward quickly if they want
[00:41] <slickymaster> and people do tend to be eager and feel the compulsion to do it
[00:41] <knome> yep
[00:43] <slickymaster> trying to think in a header for the whisker slide
[00:43] <slickymaster> while I smoke
[00:43] <knome> my experience says
[00:43] <knome> leave it to dead last
[00:43] <knome> it depends so much on what the next/prev slide is called
[00:43] <slickymaster> haven't thought of it that way, but I have a feelling you might be right
[00:44] <knome> but feel free to think something
[00:44] <knome> it might be good to have at least a draft
[00:47] <slickymaster> I'm going to use your empty layout's slides
[00:47] <knome> by all means
[00:48] <slickymaster> just to add the text
[00:48] <knome> tell me if you'd like to test alternative layouts :)
[00:48] <slickymaster> I do like this layout
[00:48] <knome> meh,
[00:49] <knome> dropping the header doesn't really work
[00:49] <knome> maybe make the whole slide darker?
[00:50] <slickymaster> how much darker? it can't be too much
[00:50] <knome> as dark as the header :)
[00:50] <slickymaster> hmm that might wotk
[00:51] <knome> nope.
[00:52] <knome> the transition doesn't work with that
[00:52] <slickymaster> have you tried to centered the text?
[00:52] <knome> i did
[00:53] <knome> well, not the text, but the headers
[00:53] <slickymaster> even though I don't think it would work
[00:53] <knome> that didn't work
[00:53] <knome> and i don't think it would work with the text either
[00:53] <knome> but i can try...
[00:54] <knome> centering it to full slideshow width doesn't work
[00:55] <knome> centering it in the space it is now looks barely different, but makes it less legible
[00:56] <slickymaster> besides those, anything comes to mind?
[00:56] <knome> not right now
[00:56] <knome> maybe some artwork on the left hand side
[00:56] <knome> because that's not affected by the transition
[00:56] <knome> but that might affect how the rest of the slide looks, the text on the right hand side might be a bit odd
[00:57] <slickymaster> the size of the artwork would be crucial
[00:58] <knome> yep
[00:59] <slickymaster> we do have also to get the png's for the new applications
[00:59] <knome> sure
[00:59] <knome> but that's a minor headache
[00:59] <knome> i can do placeholders for beta
[00:59] <slickymaster> comyes, comparatively, is
[01:08] <slickymaster> knome: http://pastebin.com/WbX66HkJ
[01:08] <knome> blah @ shots
[01:09] <knome> i think we can have at maximum 2 screenshots
[01:09] <knome> and not in following slides
[01:10] <slickymaster> did you saw my proposal?
[01:10] <slickymaster> including the header
[01:10] <knome> yep
[01:11] <knome> the shots comment was directed at that ;)
[01:11] <knome> but the content looks good as it is
[01:11] <slickymaster> well the shots tag is an existence
[01:12] <knome> hehe
[01:12] <knome> yep
[01:12] <slickymaster> I think that only one will suffice
[01:12] <slickymaster> for that slide
[01:12] <knome> shot?
[01:13] <knome> i was thinking at max two shots for the whole slideshow ;)
[01:14] <slickymaster> don't you think we'll end up with a slideshow too heavy on text?
[01:15] <knome> it doesn't need to be text, but no screenshots for every slide plz ;)
[01:15] <jjfrv8> you guys are having all the fun :)
[01:16] <knome> heh
[01:16] <slickymaster> we'll be pulling out hair in no time jjfrv8 
[01:17] <slickymaster> but going back to the whisker one, do you think I can leave that text and move to another or do you think it can still be tweaked knome 
[01:17] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: http://pastebin.com/WbX66HkJ
[01:17] <knome> let's leave it like that, we can improve after the beta
[01:17] <slickymaster> what do you think?
[01:17] <knome> my goal is to have something new for the betas
[01:17] <knome> then improve on that
[01:18] <slickymaster> hm hm
[01:18] <knome> because with the betas, and testing, lots of people NEED to look at those
[01:18] <knome> and they will notice us if the slides are crappy :)
[01:20] <jjfrv8> should we be using US English spelling?
[01:20] <jjfrv8> or does this stuff get translated?
[01:20] <knome> jjfrv8, i guess pleia2 would argue on that :)
[01:25] <slickymaster> as for new slides there's still the help left to do, right?
[01:26] <knome> i've updated my branch
[01:26] <knome> yeah, but that's pretty easy to lay down
[01:26] <knome> then there's the desktop customization
[01:26] <knome> which we need to do with ochosi
[01:26] <knome> oh, that reminds me
[01:26] <slickymaster> of...?
[01:26] <knome> gtk-theme-config.
[01:27] <knome> release notes
[01:27] <slickymaster> hasn't ochosi already wrote something about it in the pad?
[01:27] <knome> nope
[01:27] <knome> he hasn't wrote much anything yet :)
[01:28] <knome> i'm the violet AND light blue :)
[01:28] <knome> now i'm the light blue and light blue
[01:29] <slickymaster> oh thought that was ochosi 
[01:29] <knome> nah ;)
[01:29] <knome> i guess ochosi is the brownish one
[01:30] <slickymaster> I always get stuck with the :P
[01:30] <knome> "the :P"
[01:30] <slickymaster> the pad is assuming I'm pleia2 
[01:30] <knome> hahah
[01:30] <slickymaster> pink 
[01:31] <knome> but... was there other ideas for the slideshow atm?
[01:32] <slickymaster> we began to diverge
[01:32] <jjfrv8> I'm just looking at it now. The previous version had a bunch of blank slides. This one looks better.
[01:32] <knome> but that's best ;)
[01:32] <knome> jjfrv8, that's intentional. i just wanted it out :)
[01:32] <knome> will eventually push it to the main branch with cleanup etc.
[01:33] <slickymaster> knome: do you want me to branch the whisker slide?
[01:34] <knome> slickymaster, it's in my latest
[01:34] <slickymaster> haven't pulled it yet
[01:34] <knome> brb
[01:43] <knome> hmph, right
[01:43] <knome> anything you might need from me now?
[01:44] <knome> considering going to bed soonish
[01:44] <slickymaster> nopes knome 
[01:44] <slickymaster> I'm also heading to the same place myself
[01:44] <knome> hmm, i don't think there's room for us both
[01:44] <jjfrv8> not tonight but what do you want me to do next?
[01:44] <knome> you can have the sofa
[01:44] <jjfrv8> lol
[01:44] <slickymaster> nahhh
[01:45] <knome> jjfrv8, if you can improve the slideshow someway, that's welcome
[01:45] <knome> jjfrv8, or just the xfdesktop docs
[01:45] <knome> jjfrv8, or if you have ideas for the website stuff...
[01:45] <jjfrv8> I finished the latter (I hope)
[01:45] <knome> anything really. we aren't in a big rush yet
[01:45]  * knome looks at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-docs
[01:45] <slickymaster> will you both be around tomorrow?
[01:46] <knome> slickymaster, i will be, but no promises of certain times
[01:46] <knome>  [jjfrv8] Write documentation for MenuLibre: INPROGRESS
[01:46] <knome> jjfrv8, is that done?
[01:46] <jjfrv8> I just meant on the slideshow. slickymaster, I'll only be available from about 14 to 16.
[01:46] <knome> ah, heh
[01:46] <knome> i don't know
[01:46] <knome> you can write the docs/help slide
[01:47] <knome> or think if we still miss something
[01:47] <knome> i really don't know at this point
[01:47] <knome> need to see all the stuff pulled together before being able to say if it still needs something
[01:48] <jjfrv8> menulibre is still waiting for bluesabre's final release from last weekend, but it's mostly complete.
[01:48] <knome> okay
[01:48] <slickymaster> there's still the desktop slide to be rewriten
[01:48] <knome> that needs the artwork
[01:48] <slickymaster> yeasps
[01:48] <jjfrv8> i'll have to read the backlog to digest all the brainstorming you guys did so I don't go where I shouldn't
[01:49] <knome> not sure how i'll do it, but you proably should leave that to me
[01:49] <knome> because i'm pretty sure it will need some aligning
[01:49] <slickymaster> lol as you're at it jjfrv8, also read -off backlog
[01:50] <knome> about the artists? :P
[01:50] <knome> not much there
[01:50] <slickymaster> you'll find some good tips of music o go along while you read the -devel backlog
[01:50] <knome> hehe :)
[01:51] <knome> considering you like jazz
[01:51] <slickymaster> well guys, Im off for today
[01:51] <knome> night slickymaster :)
[01:51] <slickymaster> yes, considering that
[01:51] <slickymaster> cy 
[01:51] <jjfrv8> later, dude
[01:51] <slickymaster> good night to the both
[01:51] <slickymaster> ->
[01:56] <knome> yeah, i'm off as well
[01:57] <knome> nighty, and thanks jjfrv8 
[01:57] <knome> ping me if you need to ask anything, and i'll reply when i get back
[01:57] <jjfrv8> thank you, sir, and good night
[01:57] <knome> ->
[02:18] <jjfrv8> ochosi, Preferences ready for your review.
[02:18] <jjfrv8> It's pretty sparse. I tried to just hit the highlights so as not to duplicate what's in Usage. I hope that's what you intended.
[03:18] <jjfrv8> knome, my attempt: http://imagebin.org/294955
[03:21] <jjfrv8> knome: https://code.launchpad.net/~jjfrv8/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/help-support
[03:24] <jjfrv8> back later today
[07:08] <Noskcaj> ali1234, Is the patch for bug 1282509 safe for me to package for xubuntu? Also, are there any other patches i should include
[08:41] <ochosi> morning everyone
[08:46] <Noskcaj> hey ochosi 
[08:46] <ochosi> hey Noskcaj 
[08:47] <Noskcaj> Any patches we need for xfdesktop except the one for bug 1282509
[08:47] <ochosi> Noskcaj: i don't think it's a good idea to package that straight away
[08:48] <ochosi> i'm sure eric will look at that as soon as he can
[08:48] <ochosi> no need to rush a bugfix when the patch is only a workaround for a problem we don't understand yet
[08:48] <Noskcaj> yeah, i was waiting for someone who understands it to confirm it. Just getting the preparation done
[08:48] <ochosi> (we can do that if it isn't fixed in the last minute)
[08:48] <ochosi> it's even possible that there'll be a .4 bugfix release in time, who knows
[08:49] <ochosi> but anyway, waiting for eric's feedback is a good start
[08:49] <ochosi> should be a lesson to test things before uploading...
[08:50] <Noskcaj> yeah. I always want someone to have tested it, at least for patches
[08:51] <ochosi> yeah, but also for releases
[08:51] <ochosi> i mean at least with this one there was no need to rush it as it was bugfix-only
[08:51] <ochosi> so we could've pushed it anytime
[08:52] <ochosi> anyhoo, i think now the sponsors are taking a day or two of rest after FF
[08:52] <ochosi> seems very quiet over there
[08:54] <Noskcaj> yeah, i've got a fair few things already, mostly ubuntu gnome
[08:55] <Noskcaj> Is there much that xubuntu still needs done this cycle?
[08:56] <ochosi> there are a few things that are coming up before UI freeze
[08:56] <ochosi> we might need another upload for xubuntu-artwork
[08:56] <ochosi> and another for shimmer-themes
[08:56] <ochosi> as there were some fixes already, and some are still to-do
[08:57] <ochosi> could be that light-locker-settings will need a bugfix update, as it's a young application, so possible that people stubmle upon bugs
[08:57] <Noskcaj> ok. ping me if xubuntu-artwork get's another commit, it's still not uploaded
[08:58] <Noskcaj> i should probably get off the computer now, bye
[08:59] <Noskcaj> although light-locker-settings isn't in the repo yet
[11:19] <ochosi> sergio-br2: i just pushed a few mimes
[11:20] <ochosi> also one for 96px that you can use as template for other mimes
[12:07] <sergio-br2> good
[12:07] <ochosi> also started to work on some social icons
[12:08] <ochosi> and i'm considering to drop the social/ folder alltogether
[12:08] <ochosi> just noticed it isn't even in use (not listed in index.theme)
[12:08] <ochosi> unless you know of an app that uses the social/16 part
[12:08] <ochosi> (social/48 has been merged to apps/48)
[16:13] <sergio-br2> ochosi, is it possible to merge only some commits?
[20:04] <ali1234> ochosi: lightdm-gtk-greeter has some funny bug with the background
[20:05] <ali1234> if you have overlapping monitors it draws stuff all over the place
[20:05] <ali1234> also the accountservice link seems to be broken
[20:16] <ochosi> ali1234: yeah, currently it doesn't very actively handle multi-monitor situations
[20:17] <ochosi> it's on our roadmap for the next version, but if you wanna contribute a patch, feel free to
[20:17] <ochosi> what's broken with accountsservice exactly? the wallpaper? if so, are you using the latest version of xfdesktop? (i ported the patch for 4.11)
[20:26] <brainwash> ochosi: the black email header issue has been fixed in the latest evolution package (ubuntu)
[20:28] <brainwash> I've noticed another thing which has been mentioned here by elfy I think
[20:29] <brainwash> the infobar in the login box is different when I use greybird from the shimmer-themes package
[20:29] <brainwash> basically no background and red font
[22:52] <ali1234> ochosi: trouble is i think that xfdesktop needs reworking first
[23:34] <knome> many slicky masters