[00:01] <xnox_> ogra: thanks.
[00:01] <ogra> :)
[00:02] <xnox_> ogra: watching unity8 autopilot test is fun =) it shows me so many things, i didn't know existed.
[00:02] <ogra> haha, yeah ... stuff we will probably never actually see
[00:02] <xnox_> ogra: btw. about ofono-scripts, why did you seed them onto the image? and can I drop them?
[00:02] <ogra> they are important for debugging
[00:03] <ogra> talk to awe, he needs them a lot (and their output from users)
[00:03] <xnox_> ogra: ... and they will stop working any day now. they are all in python2.
[00:04] <ogra> so they need to be ported ... they are pretty essential to collect data from ril
[00:04] <xnox_> ogra: either awe or somebody else should invest into porting them to python3, or they need to be dropped temporary and installed on as-needed basis.
[00:04] <ogra> (and for various features for which we dont have a UI)
[00:04] <xnox_> (as in activate read-write mode and install them)
[00:05] <xnox_> ogra: i wonder if i could package a minimal python2 and those scripts into a click =))))) lolz
[00:05] <ogra> no, we cant really ask that from endusers
[00:05] <ogra> i'll bring it up next week
[00:05] <ogra> cant be to hard to port them
[00:05] <xnox_> ack. i filed it as bug #1283571
[00:06] <ogra> bookmarked
[00:06] <xnox_> ogra: i have most of autopilot tests run and pass under python3 (well, not regress on my devices)
[00:06] <ogra> cool
[00:06] <xnox_> ogra: thus i'm hunting down remaining things that reverse pull in python2.
[00:06] <axisys> ogra: that ubuntu touch image did not work.. toshiba thrive tablet stay on for a sec and turns off right away..
[00:06] <axisys> ogra: working on ports
[00:06] <ogra> axisys, nice
[00:07] <axisys> ogra: doing phablet-dev-bootstrap now
[00:07] <xnox_> ogra: why is dbus-x11 seeded explicitely?
[00:07] <xnox_> ogra: i couldn't find justification for that so far.
[00:07] <xnox_> (and it predates current seeds history)
[00:07] <axisys> ogra: next step is Enabling a new device -> MANUAL says
[00:08] <ogra> dunno, i didnt seed it
[00:08] <axisys> ogra: From the individual device wiki page, grab the git repositories that are specific to your device
[00:08] <axisys> ogra: my device is not there obviously
[00:08] <xnox_> ogra: ack. appears to be a copy paste from ubuntu-desktop to be honest.
[00:08] <rsalveti> xnox_: if it's the only one bringing python2, we can remove I guess
[00:08] <rsalveti> otherwise I'd keep it a bit more
[00:08] <ogra> xnox_, it wasnt ... the original seed ame from the OEM team
[00:08] <rsalveti> until it's ported, as it's quite useful for debuggin
[00:08] <rsalveti> debugging
[00:09] <ogra> there is definitely beed a reason to seed it initially
[00:09] <ogra> we have to find out if the reason still exists though
[00:09] <xnox_> rsalveti: ok, thanks. It should be trivial to port to be honest. But i have no way to verify the port. Essentially execute each script.... and know what it suppose to do.
[00:09] <xnox_> rsalveti: to be upstream friendly i guess they can be bilingual.
[00:09] <rsalveti> xnox_: right, I can bring this up with tony on monday
[00:09] <rsalveti> yeah
[00:10] <xnox_> rsalveti: yes, please. If there is python porting monkey needed, foundations have resources to do that. But we'll need assistance in testing the port.
[00:10] <rsalveti> great, no worries
[00:10] <rsalveti> we're happy to help
[00:10] <xnox_> rsalveti: by the way, did you test laney's gstreamer package split?
[00:10] <xnox_> rsalveti: from the ppa.
[00:11] <xnox_> rsalveti: cause i don't see that, that has landed yet.
[00:11]  * xnox_ goes to double check.
[00:11] <ogra> hasnt
[00:11] <ogra> everyone was super busy with MWC preparation
[00:11] <ogra> getting our images in shape and the 4.4 port out etc etc
[00:12] <xnox_> ogra: i missed my invite... heck I wish I was in sunny spain right now =)
[00:12]  * popey trundles to bed.. 
[00:12] <ogra> haha
[00:12] <popey> any specific 4.4 testing to do?
[00:12]  * ogra is in sunny germany ... but could be warmer :)
[00:13]  * xnox_ is in flooded uk
[00:13] <ogra> popey, well, cdimage just spit the image out
[00:14] <popey> will play in the morning
[00:14] <ogra> system-image is still on it ... not sure it will get along :)
[00:16] <popey> right. nn
[00:16] <ogra> sleep well
[00:53] <axisys> ogra: ok phablet-dev-bootstrap completed.
[00:53] <axisys> ogra: don't see any roomservice.xml file to edit
[00:53] <axisys> ogra: find .repo/ -type f -name 'roomservice.xml' came back with nothing
[00:54] <axisys> ogra: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting -> Enabling a new device -> MANUAL is where I am
[01:05] <dougl> xnox I read to the bottom of that page and managed  to install ubuntu but my tablet still sucks any suggestions to get networking workking wifi ly?
[01:08] <dougl> does not look too fully functioonal to me... am I missing something?/
[01:10] <dougl> so  is it me or is this stuff junk? can it be used? can I google something?
[01:12] <dougl> what ever I try this ubuntu thing says check network setting...
[01:13] <dougl> xnox, when you said fully functional did you mean fully functional except for etc?
[01:14] <xnox> dougl: you do need wifi to install new apps... you are probably clicking on the apps that are not installed.
[01:14] <xnox> dougl: try opening calculator.
[01:15] <dougl> xnox, love to where is it I have a white screen says network error and nothing else shows
[01:25] <dougl> you need a blutooth Kb to use this?
[01:30] <dougl> well it aint no kde thats for sure...
[01:30] <xnox> dougl: i think you should watch videos / learn the concept first, such that you know the edges and know how to get around.
[01:30] <xnox> dougl: http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/features
[01:30] <xnox> no keyboard required one pops up from the bottom when needed.
[01:30] <xnox> dougl: also which channel did you flash?
[01:30] <xnox> dougl: i'd recommend "trusty" channel.
[01:32] <dougl> need to see how to get ... trusty and not much sense in learning something that cant even log into facebook or gmail.... basic need alpha numeric input - if I need to watch a vidieo I'd be happy to which one do  you recomend
[01:36] <xnox> dougl: do you have wifi setup?
[01:36] <xnox> dougl: cause you can't do things on the internet.... unless you have internet....
[01:36] <xnox> dougl: pull down from the top right, find networking, tap on your wifi to connect.
[01:37] <xnox> if wifi didn't come up (sometimes happens on first flash) try rebooting twice, by holding down powerbutton for 5s+
[01:39] <dougl> heh reminds me of windows 95
[01:40] <dougl> everything is different and half the stuff does not work - lol
[01:41] <dougl> looks like more junk...
[01:42] <dougl> oops wrong window
[01:43] <dougl> yeah - this is buggyer than win 95 tho... xnox you say this is supposed to  work?/
[01:43] <xnox> dougl: i don't know what you did, what you installed, and how you installed it....
[01:44] <xnox> dougl: but yeah, it just works, and i use it as both my main tablet and phone.
[01:44] <xnox> =/
[01:45] <dougl> xnox, I am in good company then... I don't know any of those things either - lol
[01:45] <dougl> I will plug away xnox...
[01:47] <dougl> I remember redhat 5.2 made me feel this way... I will form some reasonable questions and get back to you xnox :)
[01:47] <dougl> xnox, but thank you at least I see something familiar on my tablet... I was cringing at 4.4.2 what ever that is.
[02:19] <dougl> xnox how do you get a command prompt?
[02:23] <axisys> anyone ported ubuntu-touch on toshiba thrive tablet or know where to go next after running phablet-dev-bootstrap ?
[02:24] <axisys> I do not have a .repo/local_manifests/roomservice.xml to edit
[03:13] <wozniang> hi! I just have a problem when I tried to flash with Ubuntu Touch my Google/LG nexus 4 with Android 4.4.2. I used both ubuntu-device-flash and phablet-flash but it didn't work.
[03:14] <wozniang> i saw something that said "Secure boot enabled" in the "bootloader" screen on my nexus 4
[06:58] <ludwig_> heya, im trying to flash my nex7 nakasi-kot49h, i'm in the boot loader (already unlocked), using the command "ubuntu-device-flash --channel devel --bootstrap"
[06:59] <ludwig_> my errors in cli are Device is |flo|, device flow not on server https://system=image.ubunto.com channel devel
[07:02] <amitrane04> hello every-body
[07:03] <amitrane04> I want a little help about making ubuntu touch as a career
[07:04] <genii> Hm, yes, good luck with that
[07:04] <amitrane04> May I know how to start with it
[07:05] <amitrane04> I am good in core java and c
[07:05] <amitrane04> QML is new to me
[07:06] <amitrane04> is UBUNTU TOUCH a good choice for making a career for earning
[07:06] <genii> amitrane04: I'm curious how you came to this conclusion
[07:07] <amitrane04> genii: about what ?
[07:09] <amitrane04> Me from INDIA. There is nothing or can say zero market for ubuntu currently. so really confused about career making in ubuntu touch
[07:13] <amitrane04> Why so Silence in the room ?
[07:16] <amitrane04> hello
[07:17] <ludwig_> is there a nexus7 flo image available yet
[07:18] <amitrane04> anybody with ubuntu touch programming skill here
[07:21] <amitrane04> What difference between in Qt & QML
[09:00] <aditya369> when i copy my file from my pc to ubuntu touch on my samsung nexus i geting erro like    Error writing file: -108: No such file or directory
[09:10] <aditya369> hen i copy my file from my pc to ubuntu touch on my samsung nexus i geting erro like    Error writing file: -108: No such file or directory
[09:12] <genii> aditya369: Perhaps the destination folder needs to be created
[09:50] <AndChat144384> Re all
[09:50] <loredan> Ok
[09:52] <loredan> Salut
[09:52] <loredan> Este cineva?
[09:53] <loredan> I need suport
[13:01] <wthielen> does anyone here edit the Ubuntu Touch wiki? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[13:05] <popey> yes
[13:05] <popey> (it's a wiki, anyone can)
[13:05] <wthielen> yea i guess, but i dont have a login
[13:06] <popey> why do you ask out of interest?
[13:06] <wthielen> just wanted to share that for the Samsung Galaxy Nexus, a --device maguro is needed
[13:06] <wthielen> as it identifies itself as tuna
[13:07] <wthielen> probably because the Koreans don't like the Japanese "maguro" and translated it into tuna... <_<
[13:07] <popey> interesting
[13:08] <wthielen> i did a partial mirror of the system-image to get the files I needed, then used --server http://localhost to install it, until i found out about the --device thing
[13:08] <wthielen> (anyway, still no luck with booting into Ubuntu Touch on my Galaxy Nexus)
[13:31] <wthielen> after pushing the trusty-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip as /sdcard/autodeploy.zip, and rebooting the phone into recovery
[13:32] <wthielen> how long does it take before it reboots again?
[13:32] <wthielen> cause it kind of sucks to not see anything happening on the screen while im in the CWM-based recovery
[13:53] <FuLgOrE_> anybody of the N5 / hammerhead guys here?
[14:04] <dougl> morning
[14:28] <HunterOrion> will this run jre
[14:42] <dougl> So I installed ubuntu on my nexus... it does not seem to be ready for prime time... did I install the wrong version?
[14:44] <FuLgOrE_> haha :-) Chris (from the mailing list) made the sound working on Nexus 5 / hammerhead :-D
[14:45] <FuLgOrE_> rsalveti: PING PING PING! :-D
[14:45] <dougl> trusty-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz is what I installed on my nexus but it does not seem to be working correctly... apt-get upgrade is broken for one b ut other things too is that what I was supposed to install?
[15:09] <dougl> no keys to enter login information
[15:11] <dougl> and upgrade is broken... anyone have any suggestions?
[15:14] <FuLgOrE_> dougl: sorry I cannot help you. But I would suggest to ask again tomorrow. It's very silent at the weekend...
[15:17] <dougl> FuLgOrE_, that is a help in itself - thanks am new to the channel... just thot no one but you loved me - lol, thanks for the info :)
[15:17] <FuLgOrE_> dougl: I guess you will get support on Monday :)
[15:18] <dougl> FuLgOrE_, you run ubuntu touch?
[15:18] <FuLgOrE_> yes, I do. but a inofficial N5 image
[15:18] <basketballllll> When does nexus 7 2013 get status page
[15:20] <FuLgOrE_> basketballllll: what do you mean with "get status page"?
[15:20] <basketballllll> Like how all the other nexus devices have that spreadsheet
[15:22] <FuLgOrE_> I could only guess. As far as I have red on the mailing list, they want to put the 4.4.2er images on cdimages, soon. but as fas as I know it will be supported in 14.04.
[15:22] <FuLgOrE_> So I think you have to wait until the end of April
[15:22] <basketballllll> Ok and will it but stable
[15:23] <FuLgOrE_> I'm not from Canonical, but I think so (if official supported...)
[15:23] <FuLgOrE_> I can also only suggest to ask these questions tomorrow ;)
[15:26] <matv1> dougl what exactly are you seeing? what not working for you?
[15:28] <dougl> matv1 when I apt-get upgrade from something like ssh it is broken...
[15:29] <dougl> lxc-android-config is what is broken or not available.
[15:31] <dougl> and when I try to type in a text box no input method comes up
[15:31] <matv1> dougl okay I believe  system-image updates are indeed broken  atm
[15:31] <matv1> let me look at the phones mailing list hang on
[15:31] <dougl> matv1, thanks... hope I am not taking you away from anything
[15:33] <matv1> np dont worry about it. i was just reflashing myself
[15:33] <dougl> cool
[15:33] <dougl> thanks alot... knowing helps ::)
[15:33] <basketballllll> Why ask them tomorrow FuLgOrE
[15:34] <FuLgOrE_> because more Canonical guys are available tomorrow
[15:34] <basketballllll> Why
[15:34] <matv1> yes i see on the ubuntu phone mailing list an issue for system update. as well as a Launchpad bug
[15:34] <matv1> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg06481.html
[15:35] <matv1> but I thoought that was solved..
[15:35]  * dougl is reading
[15:35] <matv1> does that sound like you dougl ?
[15:35] <FuLgOrE_> basketballllll: I guess because they work from Monday to Friday ;)
[15:38] <dougl> matv1, no I don't think so
[15:39] <matv1> dougl okay. so the image you mentioned earlier is the correct.
[15:39] <dougl> ok
[15:40] <matv1> what nexus are you using?
[15:40] <dougl> 10
[15:46] <matv1> dougl so you can ssh into the device though?
[15:47] <dougl> matv1, I can adb shell into it but no sshd server running... cant figer that one out
[15:50] <matv1> but you have been able to install it? that didnt give any errors?
[15:50] <dougl> no
[15:51] <dougl> err... yes instsall no errors
[15:51] <ogra> dougl, dist-upgrade is not supported
[15:51] <ogra> (it cant work with the design the images use)
[15:51] <dougl> no just upgrade
[15:51] <ogra> same
[15:52] <dougl> ?
[15:52] <ogra> you can install single packages, but upgrade or dist-upgrade wont work
[15:52] <ogra> (by design)
[15:52] <ogra> FuLgOrE_, attach your working ucm files to a bug so we can upload them
[15:53] <dougl> ogra, ok - works for me... do you know how to start sshd cuz that abd thing i have to use that usb cable right?
[15:53] <ogra> adb shell start ssh
[15:53] <FuLgOrE_> ah, sure. but they are from Chris, not from me. Anyway I will upload
[15:53] <ogra> from a PC
[15:53] <ogra> (with USb connected)
[15:53] <ogra> ssh is preinstalled by disabled by default
[15:55] <dougl> ogra, k got it ... thanks - one more thing - how do you start ssh automatically when the device powers up
[15:56] <ogra> if you have your image writable (which i assume you do when installing debs) add "start ssh" to /etc/rc.local
[15:58] <dougl> ogra, you spoil me = thank you, when I ssh in what do I use for a login ... phablet is the password
[15:58] <ogra> and the user
[15:58] <dougl> thanks
[16:03] <FuLgOrE_> ogra: any suggestions what I should do with the bug? The fix doesn't fix it completely. Sound works just basic and sometimes crashes, anyway the basics work!
[16:03] <dougl> ogra, do you know how to save the file just prompts for file name and then hitting enter does nothing
[16:03] <ogra> FuLgOrE_, well, mention that when attaching the files
[16:03] <ogra> better than nothing
[16:03] <FuLgOrE_> ogra: should I select "this attachement contains a solution (patch) for this bug?
[16:03] <FuLgOrE_> sure
[16:03] <FuLgOrE_> I'm happy that the phone is a phone now ;-)
[16:04] <ogra> dougl, hwo do you edit ? vi ? ... esc->:wq
[16:04] <ogra> FuLgOrE_, hmm, i never select anything there :)
[16:05] <dougl> ogra, nano but it does not work like it has for the past 10 years
[16:06] <ogra> no, nano doesnt work via adb
[16:06] <matv1> can anyone tell me if the SDK will run on VM's ?  I believe there once was an Issue with opengl..
[16:06] <ogra> adb mangles some shell characters
[16:06] <dougl> lol
[16:07] <FuLgOrE_> my chinese internet connection is the worst piece of crap -.-
[16:08] <dougl> ssh does not work
[16:08] <dougl> ssh does not work fast - lol
[16:09] <FuLgOrE_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/android/+bug/1276901
[16:10] <ogra> thx
[16:10] <FuLgOrE_> :)
[16:10] <ogra> eill take care to land that next week
[16:10] <ogra> *will
[16:12] <FuLgOrE_> thx :) sounds good. I provided Chris all available settings from the original mixer_path.xml modified to match the UCM config. maybe he will improve something.
[16:12] <FuLgOrE_> ogra: I guess somebody needs to put it in the alsa-lib as a patch
[16:13] <dougl> ssh supposed to work?
[16:13] <ogra> FuLgOrE_, yes, thats what i will do
[16:13] <ogra> dougl, yes
[16:13] <FuLgOrE_> dougl: it works fine on my N5
[16:14] <FuLgOrE_> ogra: :)
[16:14] <cwayne> whoah you guys fixed sound on n5?
[16:14] <cwayne> BYEBYE ANDROID
[16:14] <ogra> heh
[16:14] <dougl> works like crap here ssh ing in from my 14.04 to phablet and seems to just hang
[16:14] <ogra> what device is that ?
[16:15] <ogra> i use it successfully on N4 and N7 (2013)
[16:15] <dougl> from notebook to N10
[16:15] <FuLgOrE_> cwayne: Chris did it. The basic works. Do you have access to the mailing list? If yes, take a look.
[16:15] <ogra> dougl, any your wlan is fine otherwise ?
[16:16] <FuLgOrE_> dougl: On my N5 it works. On a wifi at my workplace it is really slow, at home it's fast
[16:17] <FuLgOrE_> cwayne: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/android/+bug/1276901 ---- just download the msm8........tar.gz and follow the instruction. ;-)
[16:21] <dougl> ogra, yep everything works ssh into 12.04 desktop and everything works nano save edit you know functional stuff... this tablet nothing I have tried works... is it ready for prime time?
[16:21] <ogra> N10 ?
[16:21] <dougl> yes
[16:22] <ogra> doesnt really get much Qa
[16:22] <ogra> *QA
[16:22] <dougl> ?
[16:22] <ogra> it should become better before release, but currently there isnt much testing of it
[16:23] <dougl> oh - did not realize... xnox said it was fully functional since 13.10 and gave me a link for instructions to install - this is what I got... ogra this is not a usable system is it?
[16:24] <FuLgOrE_> good night! bye
[16:24] <ogra> well, my N10 here is kind of usable but i dont do much with it (focus is on N7 and N4 atm)
[16:25] <popey> ogra: any idea how I can get my n10 back to working state?
[16:25] <ogra> did you just follow the install wiki (from the channel topic) ?
[16:25] <ogra> popey, what does it do atm ?
[16:25] <popey> boots to the mwc image
[16:25] <popey> but flashing via ubuntu-devica thing fails
[16:25] <ogra> and thats not a working state ?
[16:25] <ogra> ah
[16:25] <ogra> adb reboot bootloader
[16:26] <popey> ok, get to there
[16:26] <ogra> wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20140223.1/trusty-preinstalled-recovery-armel+manta.img
[16:26] <popey> thats manta
[16:26] <popey> i am on flo
[16:26] <ogra> fastboot flash recovery trusty-preinstalled-recovery-armel+manta.img
[16:26] <popey> sorry, i said n10, i meant n7 :D
[16:26] <ogra> well, then the flo file :)
[16:26] <ogra> same steps
[16:26] <popey> ya
[16:26] <ogra> then reboot into the normal system ...
[16:27] <ogra> adb shell system-image-cli -c trusty-proposed -b 0 -v
[16:27] <popey> ahh
[16:27] <ogra> and just wait
[16:27] <popey> will try
[16:27] <popey> ta
[16:27] <ogra> that works with my rootstock'd flo ...
[16:27] <popey> yeah, mine was originally rootstocked, then mwcflashed
[16:27] <ogra> since mwc-flash uses rootstock i would expect it to work for you too
[16:27] <dougl> ogra, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install_UT_on_android4.4.2 are the instructions I followed
[16:27] <popey> cool
[16:28] <ogra> dougl, ah, yeah, that should be fine too ... though the images from there went official last night
[16:29] <ogra> (i would reinstall with ubuntu-device-flash --channel trusty-proposed -b)
[16:30] <dougl> ogra, me?
[16:30] <ogra> yes
[16:30] <ogra> to get the official image ... and to also get OTA upgrades
[16:30] <ogra> oh, wait
[16:30] <ogra> you made it writable anyway, that breaks OTA
[16:31] <dougl> I just want to facebook vnc ssh and irc from a tablet - is this possible... and gmail
[16:33] <ogra> there is no IRC app
[16:34] <ogra> and the terminal app is broken atm
[16:34] <ogra> (fix underway though)
[16:34] <ogra> VNC doesnt exist yet either
[16:35] <ogra> (facebook and gmail webapps are preinstalled)
[16:36] <ogra> though on the N10 they might behave odd dues to the immature sidestage
[16:38] <kaimast> hi all. is wpa enterprise (username+password) supported by ubuntu touch? seems to be broken here
[16:38] <kaimast> there is no window popping up to enter my credentials (unlike regular wpa) and it just doesn't connect
[16:40]  * ogra has only ever used WPA2 ... that works fine here 
[16:40] <kaimast> yeah that works. but my university has this enterprise wlan stuff i just cannot connect to
[16:40] <kaimast> it seems there is just no gui implemented for it...
[16:43] <craigcom> does ubuntu touch support voice & text via an interface w/ vendor android rild libs?
[16:45] <ogra> can you rephrase that ?
[16:45] <ogra> (yes we are using the android HAL including rild through ofono)
[16:47] <craigcom> sorry, i'm just learning... yes, that's the answer.
[16:47] <craigcom> are there cli commands for interacting w/ ofono?
[16:48] <ogra> there are the ofono-scripts
[16:48] <ogra> (somewhere in /usr/lib or /usr/share iirc)
[16:48] <kaimast> mmh is there a way to restart unity8 when it freezes or do i have to reboot the phone
[16:49] <craigcom> ok... i can check it out... i want a phone that just has fbcon and shell commands :)
[16:49] <craigcom> is it possible you think?
[16:50] <daker> kaimast: adb shell pkill unity8
[16:50] <ogra> daker, uh, ugly
[16:50] <kaimast> that is what i thought
[16:50] <ogra> use upstart :P
[16:50] <kaimast> although i tried restart unity8
[16:51] <ogra> stop/start as phablet user will work fine
[16:51] <ogra> (no idea about restart ... )
[16:51] <daker> ogra: that's how i used to :)
[16:55] <dougl> ogra, thanks for the info :)
[16:58] <craigcom> ogra: found what i want i think... http://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/ofono/ofono.git/tree/test
[16:58] <ogra> craigcom, fbcon will need kernel changes, the ubuntu kernels use Mir which doesnt need or use fbcon anywhere
[16:59] <ogra> (mir hooks directly into the GPU via GLES)
[17:01] <ogra> (well, not the kernels use Mir ... indeed the serspace does, but the kernels dont have fbcon)
[17:02] <timppa> evening
[17:02] <timppa> any problems with calls in the latest image?
[17:05] <timppa> is it my nexus 4? Calls seems to connect and I can hear but other end does not hear anything
[17:06] <andreluizmg> hello?
[17:08] <kaimast> is it possible to copy stuff to the clipboard via adb shell?
[17:08] <andreluizmg> i found a Work in progress image to my phone variant its in xda but not listed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Adding_your_image is itpossible to add link to it
[17:09] <popey> ogra: on my n7 I have NATIVE_ORIENTATION=landscape but it's in portait.. is that because I'm not using unity-demo?
[17:10] <ogra> popey, right
[17:11] <ogra> andreluizmg, sure, feel free
[17:13] <andreluizmg> ok
[17:31] <timppa> anyone? Might also network issues..
[17:31] <timppa> +be
[17:36] <kaimast> did updates for the GNexus stop for real now? I am stuck on r188 as it seems :(
[17:36] <ogra> kaimast, for promoted images yes ... proposed are still built for a while
[17:37] <kaimast> ogra: okay. how do i change the channel?
[17:37] <ogra> system-image-cli --channel trusty-proposed
[17:37] <ogra> via adb
[17:37] <ogra> use -v if you want to see any outut
[17:42] <nik90> ogra: can the above command also be used to switch from trusty-proposed to trusty?
[17:43] <ogra> nik90, that would need -b 0
[17:43] <ogra> to force the default image id to 0
[17:43] <nik90> ogra: so I do system-image-cli -c trusty -v -b 0
[17:44] <ogra> yep
[17:44] <nik90> ogra: thnx
[17:52] <nik90> hmm I am on #205 and the alarms I create are not listed in the datetime indicator nor do they show the snap notification when triggered
[17:56] <kaimast> mh so many random freezes on the GNexus. think i need a better device :(
[17:58] <ogra> nik90, alarms seem to only work when the device is on UTC ... timezones seem to break tham
[18:01] <popey> nik90: dunno if this is a known bug, but i had my phone on NY time (GMT-5) and it (rightly) says 1pm. I just changed the time in system settings and switched back to the clock. It shows (rightly) 6:01 in the middle, but the hands still show 1:01PM
[18:02] <popey> nik90: http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-02-23-180207.png
[18:20] <nik90> popey: your screenshot is black
[18:20] <popey> so i now discover
[18:20] <popey> but, now the digital clock says 6:20, but the hour hand is still on 1
[18:21] <popey> i expect it would all sort out if I restart the app or the phone
[18:21] <nik90> popey: ah...I need to think about why it does that
[18:21] <popey> want me to file a bug?
[18:21] <nik90> popey: yes
[18:21] <popey> ok
[18:23] <nik90> ogra: I previously had my device at UTC+1 (Amsterdam)...Is there a way to reset the timezone to UTC? I tried setting the location as London, but I still dont see the alarms..
[18:24] <nik90> ogra: will try restarting them
[18:24] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1283787
[18:27] <nik90> ogra, popey: Setting timezone to London gets the alarm working :)
[18:28] <nik90> ogra, popey: so let me get this right, I cannot use the alarm in the netherlands .... lol
[18:41] <nik90> popey: so is it just the analog hour hand that doesn't update? Or the minute as well?
[18:41] <popey> only hours
[18:56] <timppa> regarding my question about call issues, I switched the sim card to my iPhone and everything works. It might be hw issues, hopefully not :/
[18:58] <timppa> I did some calls for testing, after I reboot the phone I could call once and audio goes both ways but on second call and so on no sound from my end to other, far end sound reaches me
[18:58] <timppa> I also tried with hf set, no sound
[19:00] <timppa> I'm running r205
[19:00] <timppa> I'll try to downgrade to r204
[19:33] <sjn> hi o/
[19:34]  * sjn is looking for docs on how to make use of touchscreen features on my tablet pc w/13.10
[19:34] <sjn> any pointers? :)
[19:35] <mbalmer> dunno what you are after... but 13.10 works nice on my tablets
[19:36] <sjn> markovh: looking to enable tablet-y features
[19:36] <Ikubod> Hey guys, I know I could probably look this up, but I was just wondering generally how large the touch-preview download is. I'm at work and don't want to eat up our data cap too hard
[19:38] <sjn> markovh: running plain desktop version right now, and I'm looking for apps or config (or docs!) that are all touchy-feely and stuff :)
[19:39] <sjn> is there a ppa with useful apps, perhaps?
[19:44] <timppa> same thing with downgraded r204. One call after boot and it works, second call connects but no audio from me to other end
[19:44] <timppa> :(
[19:58] <popey> \o/ terminal fix in store
[20:02] <timppa> popey: great! :)
[20:02] <timppa> been waiting for it a while now
[20:30] <timppa> Just updated the radio, still the same
[20:30] <timppa> :/
[20:46] <rsalveti> timppa: mako?
[20:46] <rsalveti> timppa: might be a regression from 4.4.2, can you open a bug for that?
[20:47] <timppa> rsalveti: yes, mako
[20:47] <rsalveti> timppa: please open a bug and assing that to me, also please add your syslog and logcat
[20:47] <timppa> rsalveti: what was the url for filing the bug?
[20:48] <rsalveti> timppa: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/android/+filebug
[20:50] <timppa> rsalveti: What would you like be in the header?
[20:50] <rsalveti> timppa: just the issue you had, like voice call not working properly after the first call
[20:52] <timppa> rsalveti: ok
[20:53] <timppa> rsalveti: do you want the whole syslog? It's insanely long
[20:53] <rsalveti> timppa: hm, don't need to be everything, just from the moment you did the first call
[20:54] <rsalveti> any special message showing up all the time?
[21:59] <PerfM> So like, what's up. How is everyone's day/night?
[21:59] <PerfM> seems like the discussion is a little low, that's okay.
[21:59] <PerfM> What do you do in here? Just sit here, idle. Waste your computer power?
[21:59] <PerfM> Up your electricity bills?
[22:00] <PerfM> Pay for idling in a channel where nothing happens?
[22:00] <PerfM> Okay, I mean, it's your life, so do what you want, Miley Cyrus. But it's not healthy.
[22:01] <PerfM> I mean, if you enter a channel that says "discussion" but there is no discussion, what exactly are you doing for yourself?
[22:02] <dhasenan> Personally, I'm trying to decide whether installing ubuntu touch on my ovation was a terrible idea or just a stupid idea.
[22:02] <dhasenan> And whether to try slogging through for another hour or just reinstalling cyanogenmod.
[22:03] <PerfM> Terrible and stupid go hand in hand.
[22:03] <PerfM> Next discussion, please.
[22:03] <dhasenan> Uh...how about that sports team? What a display!
[22:06] <PerfM> As of 2014, there are exactly 8000 known sports in the world and 3000 unknown sports in the world.
[22:06] <dhasenan> I assigned a high likelihood to the proposition that I would end up removing ubuntu touch and reinstalling cyanogenmod after a short period of further tinkering made me sufficiently frustrated. Since frustration isn't that fun, I skipped that part and went right to the reinstallation.
[22:06] <PerfM> Over 20,000 mens soccer team, and over....
[22:06] <PerfM> you bring up sports and then don't even let anyone talk about it?
[22:06] <PerfM> What kind of selfish operation are you people running here
[22:06] <dhasenan> Multithreaded conversation.
[22:07] <PerfM> I don't think so.
[22:07] <dhasenan> Uh...short attention span?
[22:07] <PerfM> Next discussion.
[22:08] <dhasenan> I can't take this many demands in such a short period!
[22:08] <PerfM> lol
[22:08] <PerfM> who's my next victim
[22:08] <PerfM> I mean
[22:08] <PerfM> who else wants to uhhh, start a discussion
[22:08] <cjohnston> PerfM: lets remain on topic please
[22:09] <PerfM> I am on topic. I am having a discussion.
[22:09] <PerfM> Or at least, I was.
[22:09] <cjohnston> You aren't discussing Ubuntu Touch
[22:09] <PerfM> Ohhhhhhhh
[22:09] <PerfM> A discussion about ubuntu touch
[22:09] <PerfM> Okay
[22:09] <PerfM> The real discussion is, what is ubuntu touch, amirite
[22:13] <PerfM> cjohnston, I believe in order to have a good discussion both parties must participate.
[22:13] <PerfM> But we haven't all day. I mean people's bills depend on their idle status. If there are going to be so many idlers, we must give them information.
[22:20] <cjohnston> thanks k1l_
[22:21] <k1l_> no problem. if trolls come here and no op got an eye on the channel you can call for help in #ubuntu-ops
[22:25] <cjohnston> k1l_: I was trying to redirect :-)
[22:30] <matv1> yeahh finaly the terminal osk is fixed!! thnx ppl that helps a lot
[22:32] <cjohnston> matv1: is it? I saw the fix released on it, but haven't actually installed yet to see it
[22:32] <sergiusens> cjohnston, yes
[22:32] <sergiusens> uploaded a couple hours ago to the store
[22:33] <cjohnston> sweet
[22:33] <matv1> cjohnston it certaily is. using it now
[22:34] <matv1> Does anyone know if the SDK runs on Virtual Machines?
[22:35] <matv1> anybody has experience with that?
[22:43] <popey> matv1: there was an issue in the past, it should work now though
[22:45] <matv1> popey yes i asked about this i guess about half a year ago. at that time ppl advised against it because of some opengl issue
[22:46] <matv1> i was hoping i does work now. Have you used it yourself?
[22:46] <popey> yes, that was the issue, I filed the bug upstream in qt and it's now fixed I believe
[22:52] <matv1> great thank you. I am spinning a vm up right now so i guess ill find oyt soon enough
[22:53] <matv1> out
[23:33] <vthompson> mhall119_, popey, could we get the most recent Music app from trunk pushed to the store? There was a recent update ahayzen made to include search to CMAKE. Currently the app doesn't allow the user to use search from the app's HUD.
[23:43] <vthompson> I filed a bug stating that the music app needs to be pushed to the store: https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1283852
[23:46] <matv1> popey if i might trouble you again at this late hour
[23:46] <matv1> I still get a crash on qmlscene
[23:47] <popey> vthompson: works for me on 355
[23:47] <matv1> and logs saying opengl is still an issue
[23:47] <vthompson> popey, is 355 in the store though?
[23:47] <matv1> did you say the bug was in qt? not in virtualbox ?
[23:48] <popey> matv1: bug it qt, there's an environment variable you can set to work around it, let me find it
[23:48] <popey> https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-32225 thats the upstream bug matv1
[23:48] <popey> QSG_RENDER_LOOP=basic qmlscene app.qml
[23:48] <matv1> great! thanks again
[23:48] <popey> np
[23:48] <popey> vthompson: No, 350 is, hmm
[23:49] <popey> vthompson: we tried last week to push a bunch of updates to the store
[23:49] <vthompson> popey, understandable. ahayzen fixed the search cmake issue shortly thereafter
[23:50] <popey> ah, yes, I see from trunk
[23:50] <popey> ok, will pounce on sergiusens or balloons tomorrow to get it bumped.
[23:51] <vthompson> popey, cool. Thank you!
[23:51] <popey> np
[23:52] <sergiusens> popey, bump want?
[23:52] <sergiusens> still here
[23:52] <popey> sergiusens: push an update to music-app to the store
[23:53] <sergiusens> sure
[23:53] <popey> got time now?
[23:53] <sergiusens> popey, yeah
[23:53] <vthompson> sergiusens, there was a fix to get search working shortly after you last pushed it
[23:53] <popey> ok, lets do it
[23:53] <vthompson> sergiusens, thanks!
[23:53] <sergiusens> np
[23:54] <ahayzen> vthompson, o/
[23:54] <vthompson> popey, sergiusens, actually there is one MP that I wanted popey to look at to verify the first item in the queue being hidden
[23:54] <vthompson> ahayzen, \o
[23:55] <ahayzen> popey, https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/music-app/fix-1276170/+merge/207810
[23:55]  * popey looks
[23:55] <vthompson> ahayzen, you have faster fingers than I. :)
[23:55] <ahayzen> vthompson, lol or faster internet
[23:55] <vthompson> likely both
[23:55] <popey> ok, sergiusens hang fire till I test that pls
[23:56] <sergiusens> popey, already fired, but the bullets are free
[23:56] <sergiusens> will wait
[23:56] <popey> heh
[23:56] <ahayzen> vthompson, u seen my comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~mdspencer/music-app/improved-nomusic-msg/+merge/207795
[23:57] <vthompson> ahayzen, just seeing it now. We'll have to broach that topic when we move away from Grilo
[23:58] <vthompson> ahayzen, Just wanted to give others a chance to review. I'll top approve now.
[23:58] <ahayzen> vthompson, the thing was at the moment it will work but this will 'break' it
[23:58] <ahayzen> vthompson, as it uses the onchanged rather than directly on the property like before
[23:59] <vthompson> ahayzen, right and it would have been broken with a move away from grilo even without Michael's change
[23:59] <ahayzen> vthompson, i think it would have worked...but it doesn't really matter anyway as long as we remember it when we move away from Grilo