[00:00] <mattwj2002> you can have a progress bar!
[00:00] <neta> i have --progress
[00:00] <mattwj2002> cool
[00:00] <Bray90820> So For some reason I can't seem to connect to my windows network
[00:00] <neta> will rsynd also delete ?
[00:01] <neta> or just copy ?
[00:01] <mattwj2002> neta honestly I don't know much about it
[00:01] <mattwj2002> have you tried this though?
[00:01] <mattwj2002> man rsync
[00:02] <neta> yea not sure if it removed didnt check the files i had there :-)
[00:02] <neta> yea reading it now
[00:02] <Sonderblade> is radeon hd 4200 still supported by the fglrx driver?
[00:02] <daftykins> don't think so
[00:02] <mattwj2002> I installed xubuntu on my new laptop
[00:02] <mattwj2002> wireless issue
[00:02] <mattwj2002> but otherwise works well
[00:03] <mattwj2002> the touch screen even works! :D
[00:03] <clackamas> Hi.
[00:03] <mattwj2002> hi clackamas
[00:04] <clackamas> Hopefully this is an appropriate channel for ubuntu/xen general questions?
[00:04] <mattwj2002> server issue?
[00:04] <mattwj2002> if so, you may want to try #ubuntu-server?
[00:04] <clackamas> NO, more suggetions on system setup/design.
[00:05] <neta> ah !! need to add --delete
[00:05] <mattwj2002> ask away :)
[00:05] <clackamas> Just semi-blindly build an FX 8320 for the purpose of setting a Xen machine for file system development.
[00:06] <clackamas> While I had previously gotten kvm to work for a work related project, I decided to go with Xen for various reasons.
[00:06] <neta> Now it workd !
[00:06] <clackamas> Anyway, I was trying to setup console based system using Ubuntu 3.10.
[00:06] <mattwj2002> clackamas: what are your system specs?
[00:06] <clackamas> Server.
[00:07] <antonio999999999> ciao
[00:07] <clackamas> Matty: FX-8320, 16GB Ram, EVGA Nvida 610, 2x 120GB Kingston SSD and an Asus mobo w/970 chip set.
[00:07] <mattwj2002> sound good
[00:08] <mattwj2002> processor?
[00:08] <clackamas> AMX FX-8320
[00:08] <clackamas> err AMD
[00:08] <mattwj2002> oh
[00:08] <mattwj2002> let me look up the specs on that pchi
[00:08] <clackamas> Well, i Have gotten Xen to boot the debia installer.
[00:08] <clackamas> As a test.
[00:09] <daftykins> Xen VMs tended to be best installed via debootstrap scripts
[00:09] <clackamas> I having been trying to setup VGA pass through so I can install 13.10 desktop in an HVM.
[00:09] <clackamas> YEah, I am learning the boot strap scripts.
[00:09] <mattwj2002> 8 threads?
[00:09] <mattwj2002> nice
[00:09] <clackamas> Yeah.
[00:10] <mattwj2002> sounds good for virtualization
[00:10] <clackamas> I did research everything but the VIdeo Card.
[00:10] <mattwj2002> cool
[00:10] <clackamas> I currently installed the minimum install + Xen using Ubuntu 13.10 Server.
[00:11] <mattwj2002> nice
[00:11] <mattwj2002> what are you doing as far as the hard drives?
[00:11] <mattwj2002> mirroring?
[00:11] <clackamas> BTW: with my mobo, I had to use a PS2 keyboard to do the install; the USB keyboard didn't work.
[00:11] <clackamas> Just if anyone asks :)  The usb keyboard worked for 13.10 Desktop and I haven't tracked down what th edriver issue is.
[00:12] <clackamas> I am as far as setting a PV instance using the instructions found on various web sites.
[00:12] <Beldar> clackamas, This is support do you have an issue, rather than the history of your work installing?
[00:12] <mattwj2002> clackamas: I have been having a horrible time with my new laptop's wireless
[00:12] <clackamas> So, I got it to boot initrd.
[00:12] <mattwj2002> Beldar: is there a #ubuntu-social?
[00:13] <clackamas> Well, my support question is this:
[00:13] <mattwj2002> oh wait #ubuntu-offtopic I guess
[00:14] <clackamas> I don't want to tinker with all the scripts.
[00:14] <Beldar> !enter | clackamas
[00:14] <clackamas> If I install 13.10 Desktop, add all the server stuff and boot into a Xen server, are the gui's enough to get my up and running?
[00:14] <clackamas> As much as Xen dev appeals, I need to getting working for filesystem work.
[00:14] <clackamas> Basically, I want a head machine that will start up the PV or HVM instance.
[00:14] <clackamas> I will probably use puppet to it.
[00:14] <clackamas> MOstly, I am looking for advice on minimizing my tinkering with the Xen scripts and the console layer.
[00:15] <royalty> hello, I am having trouble interacting with mysql on this machine I did a sudo apt-get install of mysql-server and I get an error that mysql can't connect through socket /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
[00:15] <royalty> when I run
[00:15] <royalty> mysql -u root
[00:15] <clackamas> no worries.
[00:16] <ggreer> I have the weirdest problem with my thinkpad. sometimes when I boot up or resume from suspend, the trackpoint and buttons don't work
[00:16] <ggreer> and I have to reboot to fix it
[00:16] <ggreer> I haven't figured out a way to consistently reproduce the problem
[00:17] <ggreer> oh wait this is 14.04 alpha
[00:17] <ggreer> wrong channel :)
[00:17] <rsully> i am trying to resize my ubuntu vm (lvm parition). I resized it in vmware, booted gparted livecd to resize it, but when i boot into ubuntu `df -h` shows the old sizes.
[00:34] <CountryfiedLinux> Is there a way to set the Xfce or Unity panel to intellihide?
[00:37] <felix__> hola
[00:37] <felix__> alguien esta on?
[00:37] <FailDrain> Hello how do I use xrandr to duel monitor?
[00:37] <rww> ubottu: es | felix__
[00:38] <felix__> ok
[00:38] <felix__> es k no se como veo si hay alguien on
[00:38] <felix__> soy nuevo en esto
[00:41] <FailDrain> Can I have some help setting up my duel monitors please?
[00:44] <jude> so i have installed fresh rosegarden, after the loading screen of the program closes, the X server crashes on my ubuntu 13.10. Any pointers on how to debug or figure out what is breaking X?
[00:44] <gustav> jude: Logs.
[00:45] <jude> i have never had programs crash X. which logs do i use/where do i find them?
[00:45] <gustav> /var/log.
[00:48] <jude> there are a bunch of xorg ones, are those the ones i should look at? and what should i look for in the filename?
[00:48] <gustav> Try the latest changed one.
[00:48] <gustav> Which do you have?
[00:48] <CountryfiedLinux> Is there a way to set the Xfce or Unity panel to intellihide?
[00:49] <felix__> ey man
[00:49] <felix__> i am spanish speaker and need help
[00:50] <mollywood> felix, there is a spanish channel if needed.
[00:50] <felix__> but in the spanish chanel there is not people i belive
[00:50] <felix__> i do the question
[00:50] <felix__> but nobodyhelpme
[00:50] <mollywood> felix, All that matters is if we can comunicate.
[00:51] <felix__> i need help for my linux
[00:51] <mollywood> felix__: Tell the channel the problem.
[00:51] <CountryfiedLinux> Don't discourage other languages in this channel. The channels for other languages are pretty much dead.
[00:51] <felix__> i install linux but i am new with the gnu/linux os
[00:52] <mollywood> CountryfiedLinux: I don't see anyone doing that, however this is an english channel.
[00:52] <felix__> i want install program but it tell me disc is full
[00:52] <felix__> ?
[00:52] <mollywood> felix__: Is the disc full?
[00:52] <felix__> yes
[00:53] <mollywood> felix__: Then remove what you can, having it full is a danger of bricking it.
[00:53] <felix__> but i dont know what i need to delete without to do nothing bad
[00:53] <clackamas_> felix: can you share the output of 'df -g' by running it the command line?
[00:54] <gustav> felix__: Delete from your home directory.
[00:54] <felix__> yes
[00:54] <felix__> my home is empty is my / full
[00:54] <clackamas_> yes, so how do you have the system partitioned?
[00:54] <felix__> yes clackmas i can run it
[00:55] <clackamas_> The df command will help :)
[00:55] <neta> How do you uninstall something ?
[00:55] <neta> like the oposite of apt-get install ...
[00:55] <clackamas_> apt-get remove ...
[00:55] <felix__> yes
[00:55] <clackamas_> If you wan to uninstall a package.
[00:55] <mollywood> use nicks here folks
[00:55] <felix__> and i also use ubuntu sofware center
[00:55] <neta> will try
[00:56] <gustav> Just get another harddrive.
[00:56] <felix__> omg it is hard for me i want to be a linux user
[00:56] <felix__> but it is not so easy
[00:57] <felix__> apt-get remove ?
[00:57] <neta> i did not use apt-get install to install it i downloaded it and then sudo make install - uninstalling still the same ?
[00:57] <clackamas_> felix_: I have a hard time being a windows user ;)  2
[00:57] <jude> my xorg appears to segfault on running a fresh install of rosegarden, what should I do to find out what is broken? here is my xorg output: http://pastebin.com/mGeUiXfB
[00:58] <clackamas_> neta: apt-get is an admin command for installing/removing packages.  THe installation program you used to install Ubuntu did.
[00:58] <neta> found it its make uninstall
[00:58] <neta> thanks
[00:58] <felix__> people only i want get free space and dont damage my system
[00:58] <clackamas_> Oh, you are building software.
[00:59] <clackamas_> felix_ are you dual booting with Windows?
[00:59] <gustav> jude: Talk to the Rosegarden people, unless you're having the same problem with other software?
[00:59] <felix__> yes
[00:59] <mollywood> felix__: How big is your / if your home is empty you can resize /
[00:59] <clackamas_> felix_: how large is root?  'df -h /'
[00:59] <gustav> jude: Is your X setup special in any way?
[01:00] <felix__> only 10gb
[01:00] <jude> gustav: not that i know of
[01:00] <clackamas_> And how big is  /home?
[01:00] <mollywood> felix__: To small really how big is the home partition?
[01:00] <felix__> 15gb
[01:00] <felix__> and windows is 15gb
[01:01] <clackamas_> so you only have 40GB hard rive total?
[01:01] <gustav> jude: Could be that Rosegarden is triggering a bug in your version of X, so try upgrading any of them, if you can, or downgrade. If you feel like testing. And if you can't get a hold of the Rosegarden folks.
[01:01] <mollywood> felix__: anything encrypted in ubuntu, is this a standard install?
[01:01] <felix__> yes 40gb
[01:01] <felix__> yes
[01:02] <mollywood> felix__: what is the second yes for?
[01:02] <felix__> when i use the terminal for installing thins what do the installers?
[01:02] <clackamas_> felix_: if you can, I would recommand re-installing Ubuntu but make 1 partition instead of 2 given your constraints.
[01:03] <mollywood> felix__: make sure when you addres another here you start the response with their nick, you can tab complete nicks.
[01:04] <clackamas_> felix_: how much ram do you have?
[01:04] <felix__> mollywood is bad 10gb for root?
[01:04] <felix__> 512 but i need disc space no ram
[01:05] <mollywood> felix__: 10 gigs is a bit small, you have filled it up it seems.
[01:05] <clackamas_> felix_: understand about disk space vs. ram.   I was asking because you will want 512-1024M of swap.
[01:06] <felix__> yes i have 512 and swap 1gb i learn to do ir reading
[01:08] <clackamas_> fleix_: if you can, re-install Unbutu  with the same amount of swap, but 1 25GB partition.
[01:08] <clackamas_> So, you would have 1 partitoin for Windows, 1 for swap and 1 for Linux.
[01:09] <felix__> clackmas understand me please i have one partition for each
[01:09] <jude> gustav i tried the 13.04 and the 13.10 of rosegarden and they both crash X. so does that mean it is most likely my version of X?
[01:09] <clackamas_> felix: so I thught you had  /home that is 15GB and a / that is 10GB?
[01:10] <felix__> yes one for each
[01:10] <felix__> but my /home is empty
[01:10] <felix__> my root is full
[01:11] <clackamas_> felix__, I am suggesting you re-install Linux but change how you installed it.
[01:12] <mollywood> felix__: Having one partition for / and home in your situation will be your best setup. Otherwise you have to know how to resize partitions to get the most out of ubuntu.
[01:13] <clackamas_> felix__, what mollywood just said.
[01:13] <felix__> just a partition or one for each one?
[01:13] <clackamas_> felix__, Just 1 partition for LInux.
[01:14] <felix__> then i dont need to make /home?
[01:14] <felix__> just the root?
[01:14] <clackamas_> felix__, no.
[01:14] <mollywood> felix__, Did you install ubuntu?
[01:14] <felix__> yes
[01:14] <mollywood> felix__: What release is it?
[01:16] <felix__> i was looking a way for deleting things i dont need
[01:16] <mollywood> felix__: what does this command show when run in the terminal.  lsb_release -a
[01:17] <clackamas_> felix__,  you can use the gui to remove packages you don't need.
[01:17] <felix__> ok
[01:18] <felix__> lsb dont run at terminal
[01:19] <felix__> thaks all people i am going to google to look if i get information
[01:19] <felix__> good bye
[01:19] <clackamas_> felix__, bye bye.
[01:21] <z1haze> for some reason my irc keeps disconnecting every 5 minutes what could cause this
[01:21] <clackamas_> zlhaze: the server splits.
[01:22] <z1haze> what does that mean?
[01:22] <clackamas_> z1haze, it means irc is a collection of servers that are connected.  However, if a server drops out, it cause causes a split.
[01:22] <Beldar> z1haze, I suspect freenode is be attacked again I have had a problem getting on all day.
[01:23] <Beldar> being*
[01:23] <cypher-neo> It's been splitting for the past 2 weeks. I suspect that Freenode is being DDoS'ed.
[01:23] <Beldar> yep it has been happening lately
[01:23] <z1haze> ah that makes sense
[01:23] <z1haze> pointless
[01:25] <Beldar> I saw a study lately that showed that people who troll, and probably do this are sociopaths, amongst other definitions
[01:28] <clackamas_> Beldar, did that same study suggest that those who seek to become world leaders are socipaths as well?
[01:28] <Beldar> clackamas_, Not the same, but narcissism is the key word for all, lol.
[01:29] <clackamas_> Beldar, lol.
[01:29] <doobeda> Hi my screen layout editor doesn't work the virtual screen size is smaller then my duel monitor size how do I fix this?
[01:29] <doobeda>  arandr
[01:30] <Beldar> doobeda, what VM app are you using?
[01:30] <doobeda> beldar: VM app?
[01:30] <Beldar> doobeda, I assume this as you use the word "virtual".
[01:31] <doobeda> beldar: I'm using the normal arandr that I had to manually install through the package manager synaptic
[01:31] <sennn> firefox and chrome have startup trouble in lubuntu 14.04 now
[01:31] <Beldar> doobeda, Ah, not familiar with it.
[01:31] <sennn> test
[01:31] <Beldar> !trusty | sennn
[01:32] <doobeda> beldar: well basically I Just want duel monitor support :/
[01:34] <sennn> ubottu firefox and chrome have startup issue
[01:34] <Beldar> sennn, 14.04 support is on #ubuntu+1
[01:34] <sennn> Beldar thanks
[01:34] <Beldar> no prob
[01:39] <resm> He instalado Ubunto 13.10 en mi maquina nueva  Dell Precision M4800, pero tengo un problema con mi wifi que no conecta
[01:39] <resm> segun lo que he leido esta certificado para version 12.04
[01:40] <resm> será que puede mejorar al instalarle esa version?
[01:40] <pmp6nl> Is there a way to make ubuntu use a SOCKS proxy server for all applications?
[01:40] <ethermonk> !es
[01:42] <resm> Gracias por la aclaracion. ya me muevo ese canal.
[01:45] <Guest77998> Hello
[01:45] <alexi5> hi all
[01:45] <clackamas_> Guest77998, and alexi5: hi.
[01:45] <Guest77998> first time user, any help
[01:45] <Guest77998> hello clackamas
[01:46] <clackamas_> Guest77998, we can only try to help you :)  WHat's the issue?
[01:47] <Guest77998> I know nothing of this program. Nothing at all
[01:47] <alexi5> I notice that ubuntu server (12.04) locks up  after   transfering  a huge amount of data to samba shares . What could be the problem. Is this a known issue?
[01:47] <clackamas_> Guest77998, what is your goal?
[01:48] <Beldar> alexi5, You might try #ubuntu-server
[01:48] <clackamas_> alexi5, i don't know if your problem is known or not, but one guess is a nic bug.  You can check in /var/log/syslog to see if there are any hints to the problem.
[01:49] <Guest77998> I am a networker and this looks to be a serious and vibrant community. Hence my goal to utilize this as  a source for better understanding linux (which is mainly used as an OS for servers)
[01:50] <alexi5> i checked syslog after rebooting the server and i don't see any errors
[01:50] <Guest77998> I lost my nickname and that made me sad. :(
[01:50] <Beldar> Guest77998, Excellent, however this is support, address that please.
[01:50] <ethermonk>  type /nick to change your nick
[01:51] <ethermonk> you may want to check in @ #freenode for help in how to use freenode IRC
[01:52] <Guest77998> ethermonk thank you!
[01:53] <CypherPunk3r> alexi5, I've seen it a few times It's always been a nic bug.
[01:53] <Guest77998> Beldar I am new and do not know where to go, although ethermonk directed me and I am thankful. Going to freenode. :)
[01:53] <basketball> how do i open a .db file
[01:53] <alexi5> ok
[01:54] <ethermonk> Guest77998, for community chat check out #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:54] <ethermonk> basketball,  i use gedit
[01:54] <alexi5> CypherPunk3r: what are some ways of resolving this ?
[01:55] <CypherPunk3r> alexi5, replacing the nic has always worked for me. BUT you might try upgrading the driver first.
[01:55] <alexi5> ok
[01:59] <basketball> ethermonk,  how do i open it with sqlite
[02:02] <xjkx> I want to make myself a script to do apt-get update and dist-upgrade that I will call from openbox menu, so...I won't be seeing the output, its supposed to do in background. So my question is, how am I gonna answer Yes, that I want that upgrade ? apt-get dist-upgrade -y ?
[02:02] <pmp6nl> Is there a way to make ubuntu use a SOCKS proxy server for all applications?
[02:03] <xjkx> I read the manual I'm not too sure the different between assume yes and force yes
[02:03] <ethermonk> i do all my DB editing in gedit or vim.  every once and a while i'll do something in phpmyadmin, but gedit is all i've ever needed basketball
[02:04] <basketball> ethermonk,  gdet shoed the text as all 0s
[02:04] <ethermonk> -y should work pmp6nl
[02:04] <Stony> Hey, I was hoping someone could assit me on something.
[02:05] <ethermonk> -y should work xjkx
[02:05] <Stony> I plugged in an external CD drive, it works totally fine, but when I plugged in a CD it asked me what I wanted it to do, and I accidentally told it to do that every time. How would I correct that?
[02:05] <pmp6nl> ethermonk, I set it up under settings --> network proxy and set it to 127.0.0.1 and it doesnt work. I connected to my linux server via ssh before i did this
[02:05] <xjkx> ethermonk: thanks, do you know what this differs from force yes ?
[02:05] <CypherPunk3r> basketball,  install sqlite from the repo. Then you can do it from the terminal
[02:05] <xjkx> ethermonk: there is a --force-yes in manual
[02:06] <ethermonk> --force-yes would be preferred
[02:07] <Stony> could anyone tell me how to reset the CD drive settings?
[02:20] <pmp6nl> ethermonk, I set it up under settings --> network proxy and set it to 127.0.0.1 and it doesnt work. I connected to my linux server via ssh before i did this
[02:21] <snadge> anyone use ubuntu on a laptop with a touchscreen interface? .. i have a really cheap asus laptop that currently has 8.1 on it
[02:21] <snadge> and i use ubuntu on everything else I own.. but I just haven't bothered to try it on my laptop.. because, as much as I hate to say it, windows 8.1 works just great
[02:22] <crond> snadge: I do, but I don't use unity anyways
[02:22] <crond> so I can't comment on how touch friendly it is or isn't.
[02:22] <Beldar> snadge, This is support, not polling or how happy you are with whatever you want to show.
[02:25] <ethermonk> pmp6nl,  http://askubuntu.com/questions/150244/how-do-i-set-up-an-ssh-socks-proxy-with-gnome-ssh-tunnel-manager   bind to your clint IP not 127?
[02:27] <ethermonk> pmp6nl,  http://askubuntu.com/questions/77509/how-do-i-set-a-global-socks-proxy-in-xubuntu
[02:29] <pmp6nl> thanks ethermonk --- ill give it a try
[02:30] <impossible> to boot ubuntu off a usb in a uefi system can i do ss if= of= or do i have to make a special uefi usb
[02:31] <Beldar> !uefi | impossible
[02:31] <Beldar> impossible, Ubuntu has uefi in the live ISO for install on a uefi setup.
[02:33] <impossible> Beldar:: i see, so its ok out the boxfor uefi, so no special usb set up
[02:33] <impossible> ill just do sudo ss if of
[02:33] <Beldar> impossible, As far as I know yes, look at the wiki is all for the install.
[02:34] <impossible> dd i meantbtw lol
[02:34] <elb0w> So I just upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10. When I try to login as my main user the unity ui doesnt load and then after awhile I get a compiz error message. I had to login as a guest account. Any idea?
[02:34] <impossible> dd if of
[02:35] <elb0w> su elb0w
[02:35] <elb0w> er
[02:37] <linuxuz3r> gnome wont boot properly can someone help
[02:38] <Beldar> !details | linuxuz3r
[02:38] <Beldar> elb0w, I would run a unity compiz reset in the tty to start with
[02:39] <LeeMerriman> Hi, I'm looking to install Ubuntu on my computer, but I already have Windows 7 and Windows 8. Will I still be able to access them?
[02:39] <Beldar> LeeMerriman, If installed correctly yes, is this a uefi or msdos setup?
[02:39] <Beldar> uefi+gpt
[02:40] <Beldar> =*
[02:40] <LeeMerriman> Beldar I admittedly have no idea what that means.
[02:41] <elb0w> So now I logged in as my main user and had to hotkey to start my shell. I just have my wallpaper
[02:41] <elb0w> Is there a way to reset all my ui stuff to default?
[02:41] <Beldar> LeeMerriman, gpt is just a different partition setup, different then the msdos we have had for years.
[02:42] <Beldar> elb0w, Did you run a reset on unity and compiz to get in?
[02:42] <Vivekananda> anyone with something for me
[02:42] <elb0w> Beldar: I did a gconftool reset
[02:43] <elb0w> unity --reset says its deprecated
[02:43] <LeeMerriman> Beldar: Windows 7 came on HD, installed Windows 8 on an SSD I installed later, partitioned via Windows 7. IF that helps.
[02:43] <Vivekananda> I tried the option of chaging settings to corret the problem of my homescreen showing /home/user instead of /home/user/Desktop
[02:43] <coreire> I'm using ubuntu on a media/file server and it usually just boots to command line. If I need an x session I log in with xrdp and log off when I'm done. I checked the free memory usage before and after the session. It's 393mb on cli, 605mb when using xrdp and  563mb when I log back off. I'm assuming something is still running, how can I find out what?
[02:43] <Beldar> elb0w, 13.10 is dconf, did you make sure you were using a 13.10 reset, this has changed in releases?
[02:43] <elb0w> Beldar: it works fine when I load in as a guest
[02:44] <Beldar> elb0w, A reboot after a reset is suggested as well.
[02:45] <elb0w> Beldar: I did a setsid compiz
[02:45] <elb0w> and it seems to have worked
[02:45] <elb0w> ill reboot anyway
[02:48] <Jessie> x
[02:48] <samineru> Hi there, I would like an external drive I mounted to be available to other users. The mountpoint /media/rob/DriveName currently has permissions 700, and it's owner and group are "rob". What is the best way to make it available to other users?
[02:48] <samineru> The specific application is for plex media server.
[02:51] <Beldar> LeeMerriman, You should at the least boot a live ubuntu environment and come back so we can look at the HD and advise you with accurate info.
[02:51] <CypherPunk3r> Quick question: if I just need to pipe a few Linux apps to Windows, should I go with LTSP or X11 Forwarding?
[02:53] <Beldar> CypherPunk3r, This is ubuntu support ##linux may be more appropriate.
[02:55] <CypherPunk3r> Thanks Beldar
[02:55] <Beldar> no prob
[02:59] <michael_p> anyone know how to get rid of the noveau driver
[02:59] <basketballl> ethermonk,  it shows up as all 0s
[03:01] <basketballl> ethermonk,  he file you opened has some invalid characters. If you continue editing this file you could corrupt this document.
[03:01] <basketballl> You can also choose another character encoding and try again.
[03:03] <basketballl> how do i open a .db file with sqlite
[03:03] <linuxuz3r> how do you remove all of firefox deps
[03:03] <linuxuz3r> and install it again
[03:04] <basketballl> Unable to open database "MessageParser.db": file is encrypted or is not a database
[03:05] <cfhowlett> linuxuz3r, sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox     IIRC
[03:05] <michael_p> i have an nvidia 760 gtx driver every time i install it it says that nouveau driver is failing it is there away to get rid of that
[03:07] <linuxuz3r> ok
[03:07] <linuxuz3r> does 12.04 have the latest firefox?
[03:09] <Beldar> linuxuz3r, Latest yes, and you would need to run a purge to fully remove it.
[03:09] <cfhowlett> linuxuz3r, 27.0.1
[03:09] <Beldar> linuxuz3r, You might address problems with FF I doubt you need to remove it.
[03:10] <ethermonk> basketballl, try sqlite database browser available in software ceneter
[03:10] <davidrsmorris> hello, I have a multilayered problem.  Currently, the outermost one is that when I log in (standard lightdm, though it has been reinstalled), the screen blanks, a standard cursor appears, the ubuntu drum roll happens, and I'm back at the prompt.  Ubuntu 12.04.  Please help?
[03:10] <linuxuz3r> what is gdbm fatal: malloc error?
[03:11] <Beldar> linuxuz3r, Context?
[03:11] <davidrsmorris> Oh, forgot one thing: I can log in as guest user.
[03:12] <linuxuz3r> after installing firefox
[03:13] <linuxuz3r> i found a solution and it says to run  /etc/cron.daily/mandb
[03:13] <Beldar> linuxuz3r, Reflect for a minute on our postion in reading your posts. Do they have enough details to really help?
[03:13] <Beldar> posts*
[03:14] <michael_p> i wonder if fedora has the same error
[03:23] <linuxuz3r> fixed it
[03:29] <Rallias> Is it possible to install virtualbox without the need of a gui system?
[03:30] <basketballl> !virtualbox
[03:30] <basketballl> !virtualbox | Rallias
[03:31] <Rallias> basketballl, That does NOT answer my question.
[03:31] <cfhowlett> Rallias, !vbox is the channel for such a nuanced question.
[03:32] <cfhowlett> #vbox   sorry
[03:32] <basketballl> Rallias,  http://bit.ly/1ei3rWo 2nd link
[03:34] <LeeMerriman> Is there something about Ubuntu downloads that is done very different from Windows? Windows I get way slower download speeds than I'm getting here, and ##windows is dead so I figured I'd try here
[03:34] <cfhowlett> !torrent|LeeMerriman, don't download -
[03:34] <cfhowlett> torrents can be faster than direct download
[03:35] <LeeMerriman> cfhowlett: I mean wget is getting me 13.9MB/s on Ubuntu, and the same file on Windows no matter how I do it is 2.6MB/s
[03:36] <cfhowlett> LeeMerriman, too many unknown factors to analyze properly
[03:36] <LeeMerriman> cfhowlett: Such as?
[03:36] <Rallias> LeeMerriman, The only difference I can think of is 1. you're running a .net compile of wget, or 2. windows runs tcp-slow-start strictly (more likely #1)
[03:36] <cfhowlett> LeeMerriman, this sounds like a non-problem problem.  I'm out.
[03:37] <LeeMerriman> Rallias: Firefox installed on both, same file from same place. Windows 2.6MB/s, Ubuntu 13.9MB/s. The only place I see on Windows that gets my 13.9 is Steam.
[03:38] <Rallias> LeeMerriman, Again, I don't know enough about the nitty gritty in windows except to suggest the former two items.
[03:38] <Rallias> LeeMerriman, What kind of file is it?
[03:39] <LeeMerriman> Rallias: I'm not using wget on Windows
[03:39] <LeeMerriman> Rallias: http://cachefly.cachefly.net/100mb.test
[03:39] <Rallias> Ahh, so highly compressible.
[03:39] <Rallias> It may be that your windows install is on 10 mbit/s ethernet...
[03:39] <LeeMerriman> Rallias: I'd assume then that Steam wouldn't get the full 105, but it does
[03:40] <Rallias> LeeMerriman, Comcast?
[03:41] <LeeMerriman> Rallias: Correct.
[03:42] <Rallias> Well then, third theory.
[03:42] <Rallias> I've had a theory for a while that comcast throttles windows users because they can get away with it, but not linux users because linux users tend to complain more.
[03:43] <Rallias> LeeMerriman, Or option 4: You're using different DNS servers on linux than on windows.
[03:43] <LeeMerriman> Rallias: Nope
[03:50] <davidrsmorris> Hi, I have destroyed one user account on my machine such that when you try to log in, you hear the drums and are back at the login.  Help?
[03:52] <cfhowlett> davidrsmorris, since guest account access works, I'd say that your system is installed properly, but there's a confusing configuration in your user account.  Fix?  I don't know but --- login to the terminal, create a new user account for yourself, reboot, login
[03:53] <Beldar> davidrsmorris, As well for help details are needed. Since you state you have"destroyed one user account" what does that exactly mean?
[03:55] <davidrsmorris> cfhowlett: I am trying to change fonts back to defaults, do you know how to do that (made an extra account) Beldar: was messing around with fonts, errors started happening.  And XDM blocked boot, even for console access!
[03:58] <cfhowlett> davidrsmorris, hmm.  I wonder if it's a rendering issue.  Me?  In this situation, I'd login to terminal, nuke the user configurations (all the .hidden files) from my /user/home   and then reboot/login.
[03:58] <cfhowlett> YMMV
[04:00] <jdwwatts> nickserv identify guitar1234
[04:01] <cfhowlett> jdwwatts, you need the /
[04:01] <killer> hey , how can i add a program to startup (let's say docky) for all users using terminal(need it for a script)
[04:01] <davidrsmorris> cfhowlett: I'm hoping to avoid that, since I've spent so much time with those...
[04:02] <cfhowlett> davidrsmorris, understood.  the XDM suggests rendering confusion.  good luck
[04:03] <jdwwatts> this is crazy
[04:04] <cfhowlett> jdwwatts, /msg NickServe identify *passwordgoeshere*
[04:04] <cfhowlett> jdwwatts, and now that you've kindly posted your password for all to see, you MIGHT want to change it.
[04:04] <Beldar> jdwwatts, change your password and use one not so easy to crack
[04:05] <jdwwatts> thats what i mean that didn't happened to be the right one though
[04:05] <jdwwatts> how do you get set up i here with out
[04:06] <Beldar> !register | jdwwatts
[04:07] <killer> how can i add a program to startup for all users using terminal
[04:07] <basketballl> how do i install dictclient
[04:07] <jdwwatts> thats the thing i hate to sound really dumb here but it says type this info but not where to type it
[04:07] <hewhomust> killer what do you mean all users using terminal?
[04:07] <Beldar> jdwwatts, as if you were posting but correct commands
[04:08] <hewhomust> oh got you, the grammar was kinda weird
[04:08] <davidrsmorris> Ok, new info, I can tickle the bug by linking the new user's home directory so it reads the real user's home directory.  Does anyone have ideas beyond moving random config files until my login works?
[04:08] <jdwwatts> ok ok i see
[04:08] <killer> the gui startup adds it to startup for current user only , so I want to do for all including guest session
[04:09] <cfhowlett> davidrsmorris, don't move them, rename them and leave in place.  when you next login, the default file will be created.
[04:09] <jdwwatts> the sys tem is running low on power
[04:10] <hewhomust> killer copy the .desktop to /etc/xdg/autostart
[04:13] <killer> hewhomust: thanx
[04:13] <hewhomust> np
[04:17] <ibrahim> Hello, I am having problems with getting a Ubuntu LiveCD to work on a MacBook Pro. Can anyone help out with this?
[04:17] <Arames> #russia
[04:17] <cfhowlett> !ru|Arames,
[04:17] <cfhowlett> !mac|ibrahim,
[04:18] <Arames> ohh fast help :)
[04:18] <ibrahim> ubottu, ok, I'll take a look.
[04:18] <ibrahim> lol ok
[04:18] <Arames> ohh :)))
[04:19] <Arames> you made me afraid i thought for a second the machines control the earth (terminator) :))))))
[04:19] <Arames> how to pick up a new chanel ?
[04:20] <cfhowlett> Arames, /join #channelnamehere
[04:20] <sakter12> my bluetooth isn't working?  it's all greyed out? the askubuntu google hits didn't work, how do i enable bluetooth in 13.10?
[04:20] <cfhowlett> !bluetooth|sakter12,
[04:21] <Arames> ok and how to change the server ?
[04:24] <davidrsmorris> hello, in case anyone would like to grovel or has an idea, I posted my dotfiles by last touched at paste.ubuntu.com/6979918 also does anyone know how to log in graphically, verbosely?
[04:28] <davidrsmorris> sorry http://paste.ubuntu.com/6979918/
[04:29] <davidrsmorris> oh, I think all of this would go away if I could run an X application as another user --- has anyone done that?
[04:31] <davidrsmorris> if I run a program as another user, even with the right $DISPLAY set, it coughs and dies with "No protocol specified\nNo protocol specivied\n\n(myunity:18409): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0"
[04:37] <adv__> Hi all good morning
[04:40] <davidrsmorris> does anyone know what config files all window managers load?
[04:51] <Neytiri> hey i am haibng one hell of a isuse with my system atm, i am running ubuntu 12.04, with the cinnamon desktop enviroment, and cinnamon keeps crashing, on me since i added in a 3rd monitor, and also i am having issues getting my windows to behave properly
[04:51] <Neytiri> is there a way i can get the 12.04 desktop enviroment on 12.04 cause i am looking at reinstallinhg
[04:57] <clackamas> Arames: You need to join irc help first.
[04:57] <clackamas> Arames: but since that isn't helpful ;) if you do /join #ubuntu-server
[04:59] <cfhowlett> "Machete don't grovel..."
[04:59] <Neytiri> hey i am haibng one hell of a isuse with my system atm, i am running ubuntu 12.04, with the cinnamon desktop enviroment, and cinnamon keeps crashing, on me since i added in a 3rd monitor, and also i am having issues getting my windows to behave properly
[04:59] <Neytiri> is there a way i can get the 12.04 desktop enviroment on 12.04 cause i am looking at reinstallinhg
[05:01] <Beldar> Neytiri, Can you be clearer what your end goal is here.
[05:01] <Neytiri> my end goal is a 12.4 system with a 10.04 desktop enviroment
[05:02] <Aikar> Hi - 12.04 works fine but on 13.10 enabling any feature of nvidia driver such as multigpu, sli, basemosaic causes system to super hang on login (login screen is fine). I need base mosaic for triple head. any ideas?
[05:02] <Beldar> Neytiri, Not possible that is gnome 2, however there is a pseudo gnome 2 fallback desktop.
[05:02] <Aikar> i have tried multiple nvidia drivers
[05:02] <Neytiri> ok how would i get that
[05:03] <Beldar> Neytiri, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/gnome-classic-in-ubuntu-12-04-its-like-nothing-ever-changed  this shows what it looks like.
[05:03] <Beldar> and the install
[05:04] <Neytiri> k
[05:04] <Beldar> Neytiri, You might consider using ppa-purge on the cinnamon if a ppa.
[05:05] <Beldar> !ppa-purge | Neytiri
[05:05] <Neytiri> i am gonna do a fresh install
[05:05] <Beldar> Neytiri, I doubt you need to, but that is your decision.
[05:06] <Neytiri> i generally like to do so once a year
[05:07] <Beldar> Neytiri, Sure, additionally on the channel you want to preface answers to another user with their nick, you can tab complete nicks.
[05:08] <ajoul> what is the command I put after executing something to FORCE all output to a file?
[05:08] <ajoul> something like 2>1&
[05:08] <advx_> hi all good morning
[05:09] <advx_> any one installed 13.10 x64 on Intel NUC
[05:09] <ajoul> advx_ what you need
[05:09] <Beldar> advx_, That is a poll, we are support here.
[05:10] <advx_> i have booted, installed 13.10 on hdd
[05:10] <advx_>  now unable to boot frm hhd
[05:10] <Beldar> !away > zz_SrRaven
[05:10] <advx_> new to uefi
[05:11] <Beldar> advx_, Try to keep your posts in one set, don;t use enter and punctuation. Can you boot the HD at all to any OS?
[05:11] <Beldar> and=as*
[05:12] <davidrsmorris> hey everybody, I'm able to log in (with a new .xauthority) but unity widgets don't show up.  Does anyone have any ideas on how to REALLY reinstall unity?
[05:17] <pvl1> davidrsmorris: sudo apt-get purge #UNITY, sudo apt-get install unity
[05:17] <pvl1> davidrsmorris: but id look through the logs before i go deleting system stuff
[05:18] <Neytiri> Beldar, how do i know what pps's i have installed
[05:18] <Beldar> Neytiri, PPA'are generally added to /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[05:19] <Neytiri> k
[05:19] <Neytiri> brb
[05:20] <Beldar> Neytiri, Please use full sentences and words here.
[05:20] <Beldar> at least words anyway
[05:23] <Neytiri> Beldar, how, do i stop my program windows from filling both the screens on my first video card
[05:24] <Beldar> Neytiri, Not an issue we have discussed you want to refer to the channel in that case.
[05:24] <Neytiri> ok
[05:24] <Neytiri> how, do i stop my program windows from filling both the screens on my first video card
[05:40] <davidrsmorris> ok, so I've reduced my problems, I'm working in ubuntu-2d... does anyone know why the Unity widgets might be gone from the normal session?
[05:47] <pvl1> davidrsmorris: try killing xinit and running xinit& unity --verbose& from a tty
[05:47] <pvl1> or see if theres a log file
[06:02] <jeetpei> Hello Guys
[06:02] <jeetpei> i have problem with davfs2+Ubuntu 12.04
[06:03] <jeetpei> i can not rename folders in webdav mount .. i amusing davfs2 for mount
[06:05] <pvl1> jeetpei: check ownerships and config files
[06:06] <jeetpei> pvl1 : i am using sudo all time .. and if i am doing something wrong can you please let me know which files need attention .. i setup use_lock = 0 in config file
[06:07] <pvl1> jeetpei: the thing is, your using sudo locally right? however with what user are you logging in
[06:07] <pvl1> perhaps the user that youre logged in as cannot access the dir
[06:08] <pvl1> jeetpei: what webdav server are you using, do u have access it
[06:08] <jeetpei> pvl1: i logged in as Jeet user and using sudo to mount also using sudo to mv in webdav mount
[06:09] <jeetpei> pvl1: i am not sure about this, sorry
[06:10] <pvl1> jeetpei: you should ask on #networking
[06:11] <jeetpei> pvl1: i could try to find your answer if its needed..
[06:11] <pvl1> jeetpei: you stated you cannot rename folders. how do you know you have write access to these folders
[06:11] <genii> #networing is an official channel? Or is it maybe ##networking ?
[06:12] <jeetpei> pvl1: because i tried same with Windows client and cadaver as well and it succed there
[06:12] <pvl1> ##networking perhaps. but freenode would probably forward you
[06:12] <pvl1> ah that changes things
[06:12] <pvl1> jeetpei: whats the command you use for mounting
[06:13] <jeetpei> pvl1: i am using mount -t davfs <server-address>  /mnt/<folder> -o username
[06:13] <pvl1> jeetpei: as root?
[06:13] <jeetpei> pvl1: sudo
[06:14] <jeetpei> pvl1: should i try root ?
[06:14] <pvl1> jeetpei: thats what sudo does
[06:15] <jeetpei> pvl1: hmm
[06:15] <pvl1> what are you using to access the webdav
[06:15] <pvl1> terminal or a filemanager
[06:16] <jeetpei> pvl1: terminal
[06:16] <zykotick9> pvl1: fyi, if it is just a temporary mount, i'd recomment just using /mnt as your mount point (that's what it's there for) - note, the subfolder under mount must exist before you run your mount command....
[06:17] <jeetpei> actually i connected using putty
[06:17] <pvl1> jeetpei: ^^ and do you have permissions to the directory? not just owner but also permissions, ls -la /dir
[06:18] <Andres123> Hi,
[06:18] <Andres123> Can somebody help me qith my Nvidia card driver
[06:18] <jeetpei> pvl1: you mean in server or local mount point ?
[06:18] <zykotick9> jeetpei: you need to use "ls -lad /dir" to see the directory it self!  pvl1
[06:19] <pvl1> oh thanks zykotick9, getting tired
[06:19] <jeetpei> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root
[06:19] <pvl1> jeetpei: and what is your rename command, as well as error
[06:20] <jeetpei> pvl1: i do mv DIR/  DIR-Rename/ and it failes with input/output error
[06:23] <jeetpei> pvl1: mv: cannot move `GHJK/' to `GHJKl/': Input/output error  (this is error)
[06:23] <genii> i/o error is 99% of the time failed hardware
[06:23]  * zykotick9 notes that whatever directory jeetpei used the ls on, is owned by root:root and group/other have no write permissions...
[06:23] <genii> eg: Your hard drive is probably kaput
[06:24] <zykotick9> genii: isn't it a webdav mount or something?
[06:24] <jeetpei> genii: i am not agree with you
[06:25] <pvl1> zykotick9: thats what im trying to figure out, if webdav understands users and such. i really dunno
[06:25] <genii> jeetpei: Feel free to do so. i merely state the facts of my 30 years of experience
[06:25] <zykotick9> 01:19 < jeetpei> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root <-- that seems like it might be an issue to me...
[06:25] <jeetpei> zykotick9: what should it be then ?
[06:26] <zykotick9> ? i'm not even sure what you're mounting ;)
[06:27] <jeetpei> BTW if i am doing everything with root then it should not matter i guess
[06:27] <jeetpei> i am mounting egnyte's server
[06:28] <jeetpei> http://egnyte.com/
[06:29] <jeetpei> genii: i said so because i have tried this with three physical server and one VMware virtual box
[06:29] <zykotick9> jeetpei: good luck - i can't help anymore...
[06:31] <genii> If it's a remote server you are trying to mount and then receiving and i/o error, odds are the mount on their box is on a hard drive which is crashed or in the process of crashing
[06:32] <jeetpei> genii: i get IO Error only with mv other things works fine .. but i would check acording to your suggesstion .. Thanks a lot :)
[06:33] <jeetpei> zykotick9: Thanks for luck ;) np you can suggest later
[06:33] <jeetpei> ;)
[06:33] <genii> jeetpei: When the file is on a hd/partition that is OK and you mv it to a corrupt hd/partition same error
[06:34] <jeetpei> genii: how i can find this ? and resolve this ?
[06:34] <jeetpei> it would be really helpful
[06:36] <niuniu> 6~
[06:36] <genii> jeetpei: If you do just: mount    .. it tells you what hd/partitions are mounted into the filesystems under what directories. If you are trying to cp/mv something into a dir that is mounted another place, then umount it and try to fsck it
[06:39] <jeetpei> https://server-address/webdav on /mnt/webdav type davfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,_netdev)
[06:39] <jeetpei> this is what i get
[06:39] <genii> jeetpei: Also to do dmesg|tail to see if there is a streaming bunch of errors
[06:41] <jeetpei> genii: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6980306/
[06:41] <dearcarr0t> ls
[06:47] <jeetpei> well after doing buch of operation i lost my machine :) Thanks guys .. we will talk tomorrow and do some more work ;) ;) genii: pvl1:
[06:47] <pvl1> thats no bueno
[06:49] <Andres123> HI somebody there?
[06:50] <Beldar> Andres123, You need to state the issue for help.
[07:00] <Guest18471> after installing arping in my ubuntu 12.04 x64 my networ interface gone
[07:00] <Guest18471> now can't even ping my gateway
[07:00] <dmarr> anyone using open-vagrant-boxes?
[07:01] <Beldar> !anyone | dmarr
[07:07] <dmarr> im trying to build a phusion instance and i do, but there is no nginx installed which i thought it would
[07:09] <Guest18471> clear
[07:19] <appa> hi , "ENable Networking" is disabled in network manager , what's the reason ?
[07:44] <cnz> I can't get my webserver to view php files
[07:44] <cnz> any idea
[07:44] <cnz> running 12.04
[07:44] <cnz> when I browse to domain/index.php I get 404
[07:46] <cnz> wow really 1150 people in here
[07:46] <cnz> and everyone is afk?
[07:47] <bazhang> !patience | cnz
[07:59] <FI_jummi> I have FS amilo m7400 and I can't get my wireless working
[07:59] <FI_jummi> somehow is keeps hardware blocked
[08:19] <Guest10237> what's going down
[08:19] <markisonfire> nothin mike
[08:22] <Guest10237> do you think it would be possible for ubuntu to add webcam option in the system settings area like, zoom options, brightness contrast etc etc  :)
[08:26] <advx_> hi all good afternoon
[08:27] <aristoteles> hello ubuntu room.  i have a question about a recent install of 13.10.  all worked fine from live usb when i booted with 'nomodeset' (this is on a computer with ati/radeon 83XX).
[08:27] <advx_> INTEL NUC installed 13.10 x64, not able to boot from HDD, plz help
[08:27] <aristoteles> but after installation, i installed libreoffice, which pulled into some dependencies (seems unrelated but it's all i did) and now booting with nomodeset, the paramter seems ignored
[08:28] <advx_> live usb working in uefi
[08:28] <aristoteles> the fancy splsh screen occurs and then x fails to start
[08:28] <aristoteles> any tips?
[08:28] <Beldar> aristoteles, Libreoffice is in the install
[08:28] <nokiabot> why 13.10 1s slow in netbook
[08:28] <aristoteles> oh Beldar, i'm sorry, i was using 'lubuntu' because this computer doesn't have a lot of memory and therefore i figured lxde is a little nicer for it.
[08:29] <aristoteles> anyway, libreoffice seems unrelated to the issue.
[08:29] <trijntje_> nokiabot: what is slow?
[08:29] <Beldar> aristoteles, how are you booting with no modeset?
[08:30] <aristoteles> in /etc/default/grub i had added nomodeset alongside 'quiet splash'
[08:30] <Beldar> aristoteles, Did you upgrade-grub then?
[08:30] <aristoteles> also i sometimes press 'e' in grub to edit directly
[08:30] <aristoteles> beldar, yes
[08:31] <aristoteles> Here's what was strange, on the usb, when booting without nomodeset, i see a fancy splash and then black screen when x fails to start.  after adding nomodeset, the splash screen has a low res, but x starts nicely and looks fine after
[08:32] <advx_> Any idea abt intel nuc install
[08:32] <Beldar> aristoteles, Are you sure you need it, are there no graphic drivers available? Seems ignored means what exactly?
[08:32] <aristoteles> now, with or without the parameter nomodeset, i see the fancy splash, so this makes me thing think that 'nomodeset' is ignored
[08:32]  * genii tries to decipher advx_'s shorthand
[08:32] <Beldar> good luck
[08:32] <aristoteles> Seems ignored refers to the fact that  with or without the nomodeset paramter, i see the fancy splash and then the black screen.
[08:33] <aristoteles> Beldar, i don't mind trying other graphics drivers, but booting into some graphical environment seems better than none as a first step.
[08:33] <Beldar> aristoteles, So no desktop at all then?
[08:33] <aristoteles> right, i can access tty mode
[08:34] <aristoteles> i just did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and it updated several packages relevant to video (radeon, libdrm, etc...) so i think i'm going to reboot (maybe this upgrade helps?)
[08:35] <Beldar> aristoteles, I would run lspci in the tty and name the graphic hardware to the channel. Maybe the upgrade loaded the right drivers.
[08:35] <nokiabot> trintje: its not snappy firefox takes 8 seconds to open dash iis slow
[08:35] <nokiabot> trintje: its not snappy firefox takes 8 seconds to open dash iis slow
[08:35] <aristoteles> it's a radeon "temash"
[08:35] <aristoteles> it's in the 8thousand series.
[08:35] <aristoteles> i can get the specific number in one moment.  i'm back at grub now.
[08:36] <Beldar> aristoteles, There are more specific details on the radeon which is pertinent likely.
[08:36] <aristoteles> no problem, just one moment, it is booting now.
[08:37] <aristoteles> there's the fancy splash, ... theres the X crash... the update did not help:(
[08:38] <aristoteles> [AMD/ATI] Remash [Radeon HD 8250/8280G]
[08:38] <Beldar> aristoteles, Graphic drivers if this is the problem are not something I have had to mess with, I've always had intel, hopefully others will know.
[08:39] <aristoteles> in fact, this is my friend's computer.  i use debian on a system that has radeon drivers.  i've never had this experience though.
[08:40] <redsn0w_> someone uses pigdin connected on facebook?
[08:41] <aristoteles> yeah i guess since i just installed today, i can just reinstall from the live usb again and try not to do whatever updates i did which caused me to have this issue
[08:41] <nokiabot> why 13.10 1s slow in netbook
[08:42] <nokiabot>  its not snappy firefox takes 8 seconds to open dash iis slow
[08:42] <bazhang> how much ram nokiabot
[08:42] <genii> Yes, 8 seconds is an eternity
[08:42] <nokiabot> 1gb ram
[08:42] <bazhang> thats why
[08:42] <nokiabot> yup eternity
[08:43] <bazhang> up the ram
[08:43] <aristoteles> is it possible that the 'nomodeset' parameter isn't supported in the latest kernel?
[08:43] <nokiabot> how come
[08:43] <aristoteles> i guess i can also look in /var/log/X.log
[08:43] <aristoteles> see if there are any clues.  please advise if you guys have sugggestions.
[08:43] <nokiabot> 1gb should be enough
[08:44] <aristoteles> wow actually there are quite a few errors in there
[08:44] <aristoteles> starting with 'failed to load module 'fglrx''
[08:45] <aristoteles> i don't know why it's trying to load fglrx, shouldn't it be using the open source radeon drivers?
[08:45] <nokiabot> i have 500 mb+ free at any given time
[08:47] <aristoteles> well shit, fglrx is not installed, so why is X looking for it?
[08:47] <aristoteles> any advice?
[08:48] <ToaNii> Anyone installed Ubuntu on Mac? Wondering is there a way to control the fan?
[08:48] <Trudko> hi guys i want to find out who and from what ip / what time etc logged into my ubuntu server how can I find that?
[08:49] <penguinman> how did they log in? ssh?
[08:50] <Trudko> yes
[08:51] <tomreyn> Trudko: last
[08:51] <aristoteles> Trudko, cant you just say "who" at the terminal.
[08:51] <penguinman> Trudko, check /var/log/auth
[08:52] <Trudko> heh guys thx will check all of sugestions :)
[08:56] <Trudko> and I would be able to find out also if someone connected using sftp right?
[08:56] <Trudko> basicly I think someone logged under my user name on my server and need to track him somehow
[08:58] <klassss> hi. does anyone know where to find the binaries of a package? I used rpm -qa mod_ssl and it shows me a version number of mod_ssa, but which mod_ssa can't find the directory in the $PATH
[08:59] <bazhang> klassss, rpm?
[08:59] <klassss> package manager
[08:59] <bazhang> klassss, apt-cache search name
[09:00] <klassss> ???
[09:00] <bazhang> fedora uses rpm
[09:00] <bazhang> ubuntu uses apt
[09:00] <klassss> oh, sorry, wrong IRC
[09:02] <tomreyn> Trudko: yes, dftp is really an ssh login, too.
[09:02] <tomreyn> *sftp
[09:03] <tomreyn> Trudko: "less /var/log/auth.log" is the right tool to use for your purposes
[09:03] <vooze> Does anyone have en DELL XPS 13 with the new haswell CPU + GPU? I have a problem with the WIFI under ubuntu 13.10.. The speed is great with kernel 3.11 but it keeps falling out so I have to turn of the wifi and on again (with the FN-button) for it to reconnect. I tried with a newer kernel, but then the speed is only about 30mbit max. Any ideas here? :/
[09:03] <vooze> I have tried both kernel 3.13 and 3.14RC both max about 30mbit
[09:04] <genii> vooze: Likely it's usb based and the usb goes into suspend/powersave and turns off the wifi
[09:04] <genii> vooze: Does the adapter snow up under lspci or under lsusb ?
[09:04] <genii> *show
[09:06] <vooze> genii:  this? 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 6b)
[09:06] <vooze> thats under lspci
[09:09] <tomreyn> looks like it's still power management which is getting in the way according to https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64541
[09:13] <vooze> tomreyn: thank you for your reply :) just reading the thread now, and they say the bug is resolved. So I should just use a newer kernel or ?
[09:14] <vooze> tomreyn: I see there is a patch, how do I use it? Sorry for the maybe stupid question
[09:15] <tomreyn> vooze: probably. sadly i'm not sure how to find out which vanilla kernel version would fix it, nor can i think of an easy way to check for whether a backport exists in ubuntu
[09:15] <mickecyeck> guys, My laptop overheats and my fan isn't working.
[09:16] <mickecyeck> it's a dell vostro 1500.. I've installed i8kutils and it doesn't respond to the commands.
[09:16] <mickecyeck> can anybody help?
[09:16] <tomreyn> vooze: chances are this can be fixed in 14.04, so maybe you want to try a live usb, keep it online for a while, and if that seems to work you could do an early upgrade to 14.04
[09:18] <tomreyn> vooze: you said you tried a newer kernel version, which one was that, and how did you install it?
[09:18] <Tom1>  freenode was ddosed again?
[09:18] <aristoteles> well, i looked at /var/log/Xorg.0.log in both the live usb (which works) and the install (which doesn't) and i found where they diverge.
[09:19] <tomreyn> Tom1: wrong channel, and please don't use root for irc
[09:19] <tomreyn> !root | Tom1
[09:19] <tomreyn> sorry, ognore that
[09:19] <vooze> tomreyn: I tried 3.13.3, 3.13.5 and just now tried 3.14RC3 from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[09:19] <tomreyn> mickecyeck: which ubuntu version?
[09:20] <aristoteles> the live usb has VESA BIOS detected and whereas the broken install has (EE) VESA(0) V_BIOS address 0x0 out of range
[09:20] <mickecyeck> 13.10
[09:20] <aristoteles> can any of you comment on thsi?
[09:20] <varunendra> vooze, what is the problem with the card?
[09:20] <vooze> varunendra: the connection drops after some time
[09:21] <vooze> with wifi
[09:21] <leeyaa> hello
[09:21] <leeyaa> is there a way to hook up a network interface to some event thing that will check if interface is up ? i dont want to use cron scripts
[09:21] <leeyaa> goal is to monitor it and restart it if needed
[09:21] <leeyaa> it is a vpn interface
[09:21] <varunendra> vooze, does it disconnect or just the speed drops (or completely halts)?
[09:22] <mickecyeck> btw, sensors command out has (high = 100 C; crit = 100 C).. should I be changing the _high_ to something lower?
[09:22] <vooze> varunendra: disconnects. And then I have to turn off the wifi with the FN-button
[09:22] <vooze> before it can reconnect
[09:22] <Neytiri> i am having a issue installing the official nvidia drivers, every  time i run the installer it tells me i have a x session running, and to exit X before continuing
[09:23] <Neytiri> how do i stop the X server so i can install the drivers
[09:23] <vooze> varunendra: the weird thing is that I am still connected to the network, I just can't ping, DNS or anything
[09:23] <Tom1> which is the best encyption tool for linux?
[09:24] <jatt> gpg
[09:24] <cfhowlett> !BEST|Tom1,
[09:24] <varunendra> vooze, have you tried any firmware downloaded directly from Intel's site? This post suggests so (with positive feedback) : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2178873&p=12930277#post12930277
[09:24] <varunendra> vooze, especially read post 8,9 there
[09:24] <aristoteles> logged in in text mode, did Xorg configure, and I get a segfault.
[09:25] <rannonga> echo "nicklist fifo" >> ~/.irssi/startup
[09:25] <tomreyn> mickecyeck: check whether it's a hardware issue maybe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUd5fD-3W_M
[09:26] <aristoteles> any help for a segfaulting fresh lubuntu install?
[09:26] <drmagoo> anyone know a quick fix to be able to play a video encode with hvc1-videocodec?
[09:27] <varunendra> vooze, could you give us the pastebin link to a detailed report of your wifi setup? Following this post : http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12350385
[09:27] <vooze> varunendra: will try reading that now :)
[09:27] <vooze> varunendra: yes 2 secs
[09:30] <vooze> varunendra: there you go http://paste.ubuntu.com/6980785/
[09:30] <Guest61902> I need help
[09:30] <cfhowlett> !ask|Guest61902,
[09:31] <Shed-34046> Is it best to use the open source drivers for my graphics card or
[09:31] <Shed-34046> the AMD one?
[09:31] <vooze> Shed-34046: depends on the card
[09:31] <aristoteles> seems my error is exactly like this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1259049
[09:31] <Shed-34046> my graphics card is AMD Radeon hd 3200
[09:31] <rannonga> depends the newer ones dont have as good open source support
[09:31] <Guest61902> I was on ICQ 4.5 and I cannot get chat rooms on 8
[09:31] <aristoteles> can you guys advise about a workaround?
[09:31] <Shed-34046> vooze
[09:31] <Shed-34046> AMD Radeon hd 3200
[09:32] <vooze> if its and old card, the open source is probably best yes
[09:32] <Guest61902> i cannot talk to random people on ICQ.   Did Russia do this
[09:32] <aristoteles> that bug report says closed fixed in an update but i am lousing the latest
[09:32] <Shed-34046> vooze its old legacy its under now on AMD drivers
[09:32] <aristoteles> sorry, meant using the latest
[09:32] <Guest61902> I wanna talk to random people on ICQ
[09:33] <tester56> I need help with preseeding ...
[09:33] <Guest61902> BTW I use Linux MInt 16
[09:33] <bazhang> !mintsupport
[09:33] <cfhowlett> Guest61902, wrong channel and mint is not supported here
[09:33] <bazhang> Guest61902, ^
[09:33] <Shed-34046> vooz on the AMD site it says "Automated installer and Display Drivers for Xorg 6.9 to Xserver 1.12 and Kernel version up to 3.4"
[09:33] <cfhowlett> !ot|Guest61902,
[09:33] <Guest61902> yep, but I need ICQ chat room
[09:34] <tester56> is it possible to pass the file to the installer at the running live cd (without passing a boot parameter first)?
[09:34] <Shed-34046> so is open source driver a better choice for me or the AMD?
[09:34] <cfhowlett> Guest61902, go to #ubuntu-offtopic and let's keep this channel clear for ubuntu support.  thank you.
[09:34] <Guest61902> this is Xchat on Mint 16
[09:34] <Guest61902> Am very bored
[09:34] <varunendra> vooze, I think you should change the encryption algorithm in your router to AES (CCMP). Currently it seems to be TKIP which should be avoided at all costs.
[09:34] <Shed-34046> hello?
[09:34] <cfhowlett> Guest61902, wrong.  mint is NOT supported on the ubuntu channels.
[09:34] <Guest61902> Remember ICQ having chat orom
[09:34] <cfhowlett> Shed-34046, greetings
[09:35] <Shed-34046> cfhowlett hi
[09:35] <Shed-34046> cfhowlett would you recommend the AMD or open source driver for my graphics card?
[09:35] <varunendra> vooze, after saving the change, reboot the router and retry the connection. I hope it'd get better
[09:35] <Guest61902> ICQ had random chat room in 2004
[09:35] <Shed-34046> AMD Radeon hd 3200 and on the drivers page under description it says "Automated installer and Display Drivers for Xorg 6.9 to Xserver 1.12 and Kernel version up to 3.4"
[09:35] <cfhowlett> Shed-34046, sorry, I don't have enough experience to advise you.  suggest you ask in #ubuntu
[09:35] <Shed-34046> this is ubuntu xD
[09:36] <aristoteles> i'd like some ubuntu support
[09:36] <cfhowlett> Shed-34046, d'oh!  thought I was on the xubuntu side. your are
[09:36] <cfhowlett> !ask|aristoteles,
[09:36] <aristoteles> thanks, robots, i've been asking for the last 2 hours.  let me know what part you need rephrased.
[09:37] <tomreyn> aristoteles: it'd be good to sum up the problem / your question and what you learnt about it since.
[09:37] <cfhowlett> aristoteles, it would help to restate your issue with details every 15 minutes or so.  believe it not ,we are not all breathlessly following your every post, so some of us have no idea what you want
[09:38] <Shed-34046> What xserver or xOrg or whatever does ubuntu require?
[09:38] <aristoteles> cfhowlett, tomreyn, wonderful.  i'm getting segfaults from /usr/bin/X, after upgrading after a fresh install
[09:38] <frotz47> Shed-34046: what ubuntu version are you
[09:38] <Shed-34046> ubuntu 13.10
[09:39] <aristoteles> please allow me to paste the xorg.0.log
[09:39] <vooze> varunendra: I might try that also, but you thinks thats all the problem? because when i read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2204438&p=12924319#post12924319 it seems I need to upgrade some firmware
[09:39] <genii> aristoteles: Please pastebin it instead
[09:39] <tomreyn> !paste | aristoteles
[09:39] <Guest61902> talk to me
[09:39] <Shed-34046> when i type xorg.0.log in terminal i get command not found lol
[09:39] <aristoteles> don't be mean, ubuntu robot, we all make mistakes.
[09:40] <cfhowlett> !topic|Guest61902,
[09:40] <aristoteles> Shed, Xorg.0.log is a file in /var/log, you'll need to access it with cat or less or a text editor of your choice.
[09:40] <frotz47> Shed-34046: use 'Additional Drivers' in app 'Software & Updates'
[09:40] <tomreyn> !ot | Guest61902
[09:40] <varunendra> vooze, the TKIP is an inefficient algorithm. It almost always adds to the problem if is not the cause of it.
[09:40] <Guest61902> Linux Mint = Ubuntu kernel = on topic
[09:41] <bekks> !mint | Guest61902
[09:41] <aristoteles> my friends, please see my Xorg.0.log at http://paste.ubuntu.com/6980803/
[09:41] <redsn0w_> hello guys, it's 13.10 User ubuntu and do not know what I did but I changed my unintentionally graphical interface that was standard for KDE unity, could someone help me get back to intarface unity again?
[09:41] <cfhowlett> Guest61902, no it doesn't.  you've beenadvised where to go for mint support.  have a little class
[09:41] <aristoteles> if you guys have no advice, i think i have to reinstall and not upgrade after reinstall. as things were working this afternoon (this system was just installed a few hours ago)
[09:41] <Guest61902> I do not have Mint Debian
[09:41] <Guest61902> I have mint
[09:41] <bekks> Guest61902: And Mint is not supported in here.
[09:42] <agent_white> Guest61902: #mint
[09:42] <genii> !mintsupport
[09:42] <agent_white> This is #ubuntu
[09:42] <cfhowlett> Guest61902, NO MINT SUPPORT HERE! none.  zero.  zip. zilch.  nada
[09:42] <Gusteru> hi! anyone can help me please ? I have a problem to download. please see my paste http://paste.ubuntu.com/6980817/
[09:42] <Guest61902> release a Ubuntu Mate Edition  Seriously
[09:42] <aristoteles> note that segfault is possibly coming from glamor.  any suggestions?
[09:42] <genii> !info mate
[09:43] <bekks> Guest61902: Thats nothing Ubuntu can do something about.
[09:43] <genii> !info mate trusty
[09:43] <Guest61902> Mate Desktop Environment
[09:43] <bekks> geez.
[09:43] <genii> Hm.
[09:43] <varunendra> vooze, upgrading the firmware shouldn't hurt though. Usually you can safely and blindly follow whatever chili555 on UF recommends :)
[09:43] <bekks> Gusteru: Thats nothing Ubuntu can do something about.
[09:43] <bazhang> Guest61902, that does not exist for ubuntu
[09:43] <redsn0w_> hello guys, it's 13.10 User ubuntu and do not know what I did but I changed my unintentionally graphical interface that was standard for KDE unity, could someone help me get back to intarface unity again?
[09:43] <aristoteles> lines 462--499 are very relevant i believe
[09:43] <Guest61902> I tell you why.   PC-BSD has it.
[09:43] <bazhang> Guest61902, and thats offtopic here
[09:44] <Guest61902> PC-BSD has Mate 1.6.1
[09:44] <aristoteles> seeing as this is a fresh install, it feels like an ubuntu bug, but perhaps i just have something misconfigured?
[09:44] <cfhowlett> redsn0w_, logout.  click on the ubuntu icon.  choose unity desktop environment.  log in.
[09:44] <aristoteles> you guys are the experts
[09:44] <genii> Gusteru: The site you are trying to download from seems not to support anonymous connection
[09:44] <aristoteles> were you able to view my log?
[09:44] <hewhomust> mints nice
[09:44] <Gusteru> bekks It may be of some settings? or how can I make wget?
[09:44] <fl0w> Windows has Aero!
[09:44] <bekks> Gusteru: It is because of the website ou are trying to download from.
[09:44] <hewhomust> fl0w: what?
[09:45] <cfhowlett> Gusteru, ^^^ problem is on the site not from ubuntu
[09:45] <vooze> varunendra: okay, I'll try to upgrade firmware and reboot router after: )
[09:45] <vooze> just need to figure out what to do with that tar.gz file
[09:45] <fl0w> hewhomust: I thought the current topic was to talk off-topic non-sense?
[09:45] <varunendra> vooze, what does it contain?
[09:45] <bekks> vooze: Unpackk it, and read the installation instructions contained.
[09:45] <aristoteles> vooze, you might want to unpack it with "tar -xvzf name.of.your.tar.gz'
[09:45] <Gusteru> cfhowlett bekks genii : I tried to make wget from multiple sites and the same error
[09:46] <bekks> Gusteru: Then those server do not support anonymous connections.
[09:46] <redsn0w_> cfhowlett, when I start the LightDM session opens with kde plasma, it only gives me the option to start with KDE environment or PLASMA UBUNTU which is also the KDE interface
[09:46] <bekks> Gusteru: It is not about Ubntu settings.
[09:46] <aristoteles> this bug is very similar to mine: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72192
[09:47] <cfhowlett> redsn0w_, this is plain vanilla ubuntu, right?
[09:47] <_dan_> hi
[09:47] <cfhowlett> Gusteru, weird.  the wget you pasted works for me ...
[09:47] <aristoteles> they say fixed in mesa 9.2.2 does this mean i have to get mesa source and recompile?  i'm on ubuntu 13.10, just installed today.
[09:47] <cfhowlett> _dan_, greetings
[09:48] <_dan_> so i am trying to install the 32-bit libSDL so i can compile this code
[09:48] <Gusteru> cfhowlett bekks Yes believe you, but a few days ago doing wget on the same site without problems. Now I appear this error
[09:48] <_dan_> but it seems it will break my system horribly
[09:48] <_dan_> http://pastebin.com/qEAvi4SV
[09:49] <redsn0w_> cfhowlett, 13.10 saucy salamander
[09:49] <_dan_> why do i need to uninstall python in order to install SDL?
[09:49] <aristoteles> cfhowlett, i'm getting so sleepy, was hoping to hear somethign from someone in this room before i say fuck it and justt reinstall the working system i had earlier today
[09:49] <aristoteles> surely ubuntu is intersted in this bug.
[09:50] <cfhowlett> redsn0w_, ask this one again in 15 minutes.  I'm on xubuntu - never used unity
[09:50] <aristoteles> i have provided system description, xorg logs, any info you want.
[09:50] <redsn0w_> ok, could change, thanks cfhowlett
[09:50] <bekks> aristoteles: Did you file a bug?
[09:50] <cfhowlett> aristoteles, file a bug report ?
[09:50] <henkpoley> Is there any kind of oddity you can expect when cloning (dd) a 512 bytes sector disk to a 4kb sector disk ?
[09:50] <vooze> varunendra: okay, I found the README and it told me to cp the file to /lib/firmware/ and I did that.. Should I just reboot now?
[09:51] <varunendra> vooze not necessary
[09:51] <bekks> henkpoley: It will be slow as hell when not using a sane bs= option. bs=16M e.g.
[09:51] <aristoteles> cfhowlett, ok thanks for the "support".  i think i'm going back to debian now.  cheers!
[09:51] <redsn0w_> cfhowlett,  informed me that the procedure worked, thank you for your attention.
[09:51] <bekks> aristoteles: You better file a bug report.
[09:51] <henkpoley> bekks: yes, I did use larger writes
[09:51] <varunendra> vooze "sudo modprobe -rv iwlmvm" .... then ...."sudo modprobe -v iwlmvm"
[09:51] <aristoteles> bekks: there are 3 or 4 idential bug reports files
[09:51] <aristoteles> i have provided links to them
[09:51] <bekks> aristoteles: Then they would be marked as duplicates.
[09:51] <aristoteles> look above in this irc rrom.
[09:52] <aristoteles> well, then perhaps i shouldn't file anothe rjust to have it also marked as a duplicate, right?
[09:52] <bekks> aristoteles: And you could attach a comment "for me too" e.g. - but changing the distro is not going to help anyone.
[09:52] <henkpoley> on my target drive grub-install is complaining: "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda2.  Check your device.map."
[09:53] <advx_> n e 1 on intel nuc
[09:53] <aristoteles> well, i have a working debian system.  my friend asked me to put ubuntu on here.  nonetheless, a working debian is better than a failing ubuntu with an X that segfaults.
[09:53] <aristoteles> surely someone wants to *look*  into that Xorg.0.log i pasted?
[09:53] <genii> And why are you installing grub to a partition instead of the MBR ......
[09:53] <henkpoley> genii: I'm installing to /dev/sda
[09:53] <aristoteles> so, changing the distro will help me if i can get it working on this computer.
[09:54] <henkpoley> genii: sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[09:54] <bekks> aristoteles: Well, I feel this discussion is going to end pointless.
[09:54] <cfhowlett> aristoteles, do what works for you.
[09:55] <vooze> varunendra: okay so that made it worse (with the firmware) its not like 1mbit
[09:55] <vooze> varunendra: will try to reboot with kernel 3.13.5 and not 3.14RC
[09:55] <vooze> brb
[09:55] <genii> henkpoley: Did you do some partitioning just before this without running partprobe after?
[09:55] <aristoteles> perhaps i was being confusing, my computer is a acer with amd apu and radeon, i run debian and all works great.  the computer i'm installing ubuntu on is an hp with amd apu and radeon.  i've gotten quite stuck and spent 4 hours trying to get x to boot.  just wishing someone would look at my gd xorg log and make some relevant comment other than "aristoteles: be sure to do the right thing"
[09:55] <varunendra> vooze, was it from the github link?
[09:55] <agent_white> aristoteles: Not to be in the elephant in the room, but just a future heads up, you can generally get away with fixing issues regardless of channel if you don't mention your linux flavor.
[09:55] <cfhowlett> !attitude|ristoteles,
[09:55] <tomreyn> aristoteles: i looked at your log. i can see how your X segfaults. and that you seem to be running 13.10  with correct kernel and Xorg versions. this channel is more about simple fixes which do not involve bisecting and recompiling packages. in your case chances are that may be neceessary. analyzing segfaults is better done via bug reports.
[09:56] <vooze> varunendra: no from http://www.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/sb/CS-034398.htm
[09:56] <vooze> the 3.13+ kernel
[09:56] <henkpoley> genii: I did ddrescue from one 500GB drive to another (same amount of blocks) then unplug old drive, plug in new drive
[09:56] <Beldar> agent_white, Sorry we ask those questions
[09:56] <henkpoley> genii: old drive did have 60kb of bad blocks, but not in the 20GB of boot partition
[09:56] <agent_white> Beldar: Oh no worries at all. I'm here to listen unless the problem serves better to be asked here.
[09:56] <varunendra> vooze, is iwconfig showing 1Mb/s ?
[09:57] <aristoteles> agent_white, sounds like a suggestion to go back to the debian room where the folks actually look at the stuff you paste.  if i don't tell them its a log from an ubuntu install, they might help.  is that your suggestion or do i misunderstand.
[09:57] <vooze> varunendra: no, speedtest.net
[09:57] <agent_white> aristoteles: If it applies across ALL linux flavors, does it matter whom you ask?
[09:57] <Bauer> Guys, I have Ubuntu installed on SSD drive with GRUB2, and I have 1TB HDD on which I want to install Win 8, without ruining my Ubuntu installation. BIOS is UEFI boot. Any way I can do that without having to restore grub using USB disk later?
[09:57] <aristoteles> agent_white: not to me.  :)
[09:58] <agent_white> aristoteles: Does it pertain to Debian specifically? Would they better understand the issue you have and tools you use there? If so... well, choose as you should.
[09:58] <varunendra> vooze, have you tried any driver parameters yet? Especially the "swenc"
[09:58] <agent_white> aristoteles: I'
[09:58] <aristoteles> tomreyn: ok, i really, honestly do appreciate that.  i don't mind recompiling packages, i had to do so inorder to get vdpau support in mesa on my debian computer.
[09:58] <varunendra> vooze, sorry, "swcrypto=1"
[09:58] <agent_white> aristoteles: I'll ask any car guy at any car shop about my car, but if I have a question about a "Nissan-part", I'll ask a Nissan-guy.
[09:58] <vooze> varunendra:  nope, not at all, I don't even know what that it
[09:59] <vooze> is*
[09:59] <aristoteles> agent_white: indeed: xorg-server-video-ati are *not* ubuntu specific.  but these versions of the packages are.
[09:59] <aristoteles> anyway, i think i best be moving along.
[09:59] <aristoteles> sorry i'm so cranky.
[09:59] <varunendra> vooze, sometimes when the hardware (wifi chip) can't keep up with the packet encryption/decryption job, this parameter helps. It shifts the task from the hardware to the software (driver/os)
[10:00] <agent_white> aristoteles: I think it is best. But now you know ;)
[10:00] <vooze> varunendra: okay, how do I try it?
[10:00] <aristoteles> agent_white: what is it that I now know?
[10:01] <agent_white> aristoteles: That every mechanic knows about how engines work. But only special-mechanics know about special-engines.
[10:01] <linuxthefish> why does my desktop just have a blank X Desktop terminal in it?
[10:01] <linuxthefish> this is througb VNC
[10:01] <varunendra> vooze, "sudo modprobe -rv iwlmvm" ...... "sudo modprobe -v iwlwifi swcrypto=1" .......... "sudo modprobe -v iwlmvm" --- this will load the parameter temporarily, will be lost on next boot or on next driver reload
[10:02] <aristoteles> agent_white: i'm not sure that's somethign that i've just learned, but i will think on that platitude as i reinstall from scratch.  gnite eveyrone
[10:02] <agent_white> aristoteles: Unless the issue is specific to Debian, it most likely can be asked in any linux channel.
[10:02] <aristoteles> and thanks again tomreyn for looking at my logfile.
[10:02] <vooze> varunendra: So if I understand you, I should use the first and last command to test?
[10:03] <varunendra> vooze, all three in the sequence they are given
[10:03] <vooze> varunendra: ah okay, 2 secs :)
[10:03] <tomreyn> aristoteles: i guess i'm just saying your issue is not going to be manageable here, too complex for a support channel. i also didn't appreciate your attitude towards the volunteer support crew here. but i wish you luck in solving this issue, and still think adding to existing bug reports (such as by using the ubuntu-bug command as a first step) would be the way to go.
[10:04] <varunendra> vooze, another parameter worth trying is "bt_coex_active=N" -- it can be tried separately or along with the "swcrypto=1" (sudo modprobe -v iwlwifi swcrypto=1 bt_coex_active=N")
[10:04] <agent_white> tomreyn: Didn't know about what he had said prior, but I agree. Though I disagree, in that you need to exhaust all options before bug-reporting.
[10:04] <aristoteles> tomreyn, i realize i've gotten cranky.  i shouldn't have projected that onto any volunteers. thank you again for your comments.
[10:05] <vooze> varunendra: well the first one did not help, trying this now :)
[10:05] <agent_white> aristoteles: It happens! :D
[10:06] <varunendra> vooze, the parameter changes may take a few minutes to show the effect. Give 'em 2 to 5 minutes :)
[10:06] <tomreyn> aristoteles: thanks for your patience and self-reflectedness.
[10:07] <vooze> varunendra: okay, its like 20-25mbit now
[10:07] <varunendra> vooze, nowhere close to satisfactory I guess?
[10:07] <aristoteles> tomreyn, fwiw, i will now reinstall from the live usb and hopefully all will work as before.  then, i will take careful note of package versions that way if i update something and i end up with this issue again (probably), at least i can competently say what package update caused the error and in that way be a better citizen.
[10:08] <vooze> varunendra: should be like 100 :/
[10:08] <Guest61902> Is Ubuntu more secure than Mac OS 10.8
[10:08] <vooze> I get like 80mbit+ on kernel 3.11 without the firmware but thats when the connection drops
[10:08] <aristoteles> i'm also going to make a copy of the working /etc/X11/ directory so that i can compare it in detail to any nonworking one i end up with tin the future.
[10:09] <aristoteles> then if i add to a but report, at least i can be specific.
[10:09] <cfhowlett> Guest61902, you can find security comparisons from phoronix on the net
[10:09] <varunendra> vooze, have you changed the TKIP to AES yet? The "swcrypto" parameter should work better with AES
[10:09] <vooze> varunendra:  nope, will try that now. hold on :)
[10:09] <varunendra> holding on vooze :P
[10:09] <vooze> :D:D
[10:10] <Guest61902> Can Ubuntu make a KFreeBSD
[10:10] <Guest61902> like Debian
[10:10] <Guest61902> but one that works
[10:10] <tomreyn> aristoteles: are you saying you have a custom /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? if so try moving that out of the way (though you log looked you you don't)
[10:10] <cfhowlett> Guest61902, now you're just asking random questions, not support.  go to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[10:11] <aristoteles> tomreyn, no, actually i don't have any /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:11] <aristoteles> i did try autogerating one with Xorg -configure, but that also led to segfault.
[10:11] <tomreyn> aristoteles: nor any files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ i guess
[10:12] <aristoteles> tomreyn: nothing hand made, and i didn't notice /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ when i looked in /etc/X11/
[10:12] <aristoteles> i can verify that though, i still haven't done the reinstall
[10:13] <vooze> varunendra: so thats done, same result :/ like 20mbit - I'll try kernel 3.13. brb
[10:13] <Guest61902> Did you know that 13.10 crashes on Broadcom wifi drivers
[10:13] <tomreyn> aristoteles: ok. if you didn't manually create files there and didn't use third party X configuration tools then bothing will be there.
[10:14] <tomreyn> aristoteles: also, if you will proceed with your plans in determining what causes your regression (though i have not seen an indication that it is one), if you want to look at which packages you asked to be installed / upgraded / removed, you can inspeact /var/log/apt/history.log.
[10:14] <tomreyn> aristoteles: so i guess the best bet is still to start with that bug report.
[10:15] <aristoteles> tomreyn, that seems like a good tip.  but don't you consider a segfaulting xserver to be a regression?
[10:16] <tomreyn> aristoteles: only if the same computer and hardware and software packages worked fine with earlier package versions.
[10:16] <aristoteles> tomreyn that is the case
[10:16] <Solskogen> Hi! I'm running trust, and I'm having trouble with landscape-sysinfo. landscape-sysinfo gives no output :/
[10:17] <cfhowlett> !trusty|Solskogen,
[10:17] <flavio> ola
[10:17] <cfhowlett> Solskogen, see the other channel for support
[10:17] <aristoteles> this afternoon, a fresh install was working fine.  after installing an upgrade and rebooting, i am having a segfaulting X
[10:17] <cfhowlett> flavio, greetings
[10:17] <flavio> :)
[10:17] <Solskogen> cfhowlett:  Official Ubuntu Support Channel?
[10:17] <_dan_> ok, so i got a bit further, now the issue is that i cannot install libxext-dev:i386 because i have libxext-dev installed
[10:17] <_dan_> O_o
[10:17] <cfhowlett> !trusty|Solskogen,
[10:18] <cfhowlett> Solskogen, #ubuntu+1   for trusty support
[10:18] <Solskogen> oh, okay
[10:18] <Solskogen> thanks
[10:18] <tomreyn> aristoteles: an upgrade of a package of the same release to a package of the same release?
[10:18] <tomreyn> aristoteles: or are we talknig dist-upgrade here?
[10:19] <vooze> varunendra: so, no improvement with kernerl 3.13.5
[10:19] <aristoteles> tomreyn, yes, in that i did not change anything in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:19] <vooze> varunendra: I just don't understand how an older kernel can have a higher speed
[10:19] <varunendra> vooze, new firmware + AES in the router? (+ parameters also?)
[10:20] <aristoteles> i did apt-get install libreoffice (this was an lubuntu usb stick so didn't have libreoffice) and i think i also typed an apt get update && apt-get upgrade.  however i wasn't thinking too hard about it at the time,  i didn't expect x to crash after an update
[10:20] <tomreyn> aristoteles: and "apt-cache policy" does not list unsupported repositories or repositories incompatible to your release?
[10:21] <vooze> varunendra:  yes :/
[10:21] <aristoteles> tomreyn, i have not added anything to /etc/apt/sources.list so the only repos are the ones that were put there by lubuntu 13.10
[10:21] <aristoteles> i ran apt-cache policy on certain packages in the last few hours but currently i'm booted into the live usb again about to reinstall
[10:21] <tomreyn> aristoteles: okay, so i agree it'd be a regression then. you could note that into your bug report
[10:22] <aristoteles> tomreyn, i will reinstall to the working system and will tread warily.
[10:22] <varunendra> vooze, as per the links in the post I linked to earlier, Intel was "Redoing their WiFi stack", things tend to break/have bugs when done from scratch, and I think kernel 3.13 is still under development (??). Maybe that's what you are experiencing.
[10:22] <frotz47> aristoteles: you are using lubuntu?
[10:22] <vooze> varunendra: I will try with the firmware from github now, the other was from intel.com
[10:23] <varunendra> vooze, good idea :)
[10:23] <aristoteles> frotz47: yes i chose ubuntu because this is a low power computer and i've been very happy with lxde on my debian system.
[10:23] <aristoteles> frotz47: i meant lubuntu
[10:23] <frotz47> aristoteles: from lubuntu website - Lubuntu Support is #Lubuntu on Freenode.net IRC
[10:23] <aristoteles> my friend asked me to install ubuntu and i chose the lubuntu download in order to improve performance on low spec hardware.
[10:24] <varunendra> vooze, in fact I would recommend to add your experience/problem to the thread I linked to.. (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2178873)
[10:24] <aristoteles> frotz47: thank you, noted.
[10:25] <vooze> varunendra: I see the only difference is that the firmware from intel is -8 and from the github its -7
[10:25] <vooze> varunendra:  So i don't think that will make a big difference
[10:26] <xjkx> Trying to run eclipse it said I dont have a jre or a jdk, as I want to develop I suppose I want a jdk ? If so, what do I install ?
[10:26] <varunendra> vooze, changing them is as easy as overwriting the file in /lib/firmware, so go ahead, try it.
[10:26] <Xenefungus> So what would you guys suggest as a CLI FTP client? it seems lftp, tnftp and yafc are the only active projects anymore, right?
[10:27] <aristoteles> Xenefungus, you can do FTP with wget
[10:27] <Xenefungus> arietis: interesting
[10:27] <_Yank> Greetings
[10:28] <aristoteles> Xenefungus, perhaps this is offtopic, but wget ftp://user:pass@server/ works fine for me
[10:28] <cfhowlett> _Yank, greetings
[10:28] <aristoteles> Xenefungus if you need to do push i just do 'apt-get install ftp' and use the program ftp.  although servers that support scp are certainly nicer.
[10:29] <lvleph> how do I get xmodmap persistent after suspend and restart?
[10:29] <Xenefungus> arietis: yeah i just need to upload something really
[10:29] <Xenefungus> guess i'll give built in ftp a try then, thanks
[10:30] <Blanco_> Yop
[10:30] <lvleph> rsync works the best imo Xenefungus
[10:30] <tomreyn> xjkx: default-jre
[10:30] <lvleph> but I didn't catch what you really needed.
[10:30] <xjkx> Thanks
[10:30] <_Yank> Im having some problems with my SSH VPS. It seems that the bin and sbin folder has been deleted since I it returns me bash command not found to every command. Acutally only cd, cat, ls, tar, and other linux commands works. Even sudo or apt-get is not working !!
[10:30] <tomreyn> xjkx: or default-jdk if you're about to develop java stuff
[10:30] <vooze> varunendra: omg, that worked :d
[10:31] <bekks> _Yank: then "ls -l /bin /sbin"
[10:31] <vooze> really weird
[10:31] <varunendra> vooze, what's the speed now?
[10:31] <Guest61902> does the fork bomb still work
[10:31] <vooze> varunendra: like 80 :D
[10:31] <tomreyn> !paste | _Yank
[10:31] <xjkx> tomreyn: yes I want to develop android games and regular applications
[10:31] <vooze> varunendra: 105+ now
[10:32] <_Yank> I know, Im a programmer and I already asked for help here
[10:32] <tomreyn> xjkx: ok, good luck.
[10:32] <varunendra> vooze, :D what all have we applied at the moment? (encryption, parameters, fw version, kernel version)
[10:32] <xjkx> tomreyn: just java-sdk will do ?
[10:32] <vooze> okay varunendra so before post my story to the forum :D
[10:32] <tomreyn> _Yank: okay, i wasn't aware
[10:32] <vooze> varunendra: i need to make the parameters permanent
[10:33] <varunendra> vooze, is this speed only reachable with the parameters?
[10:33] <vooze> varunendra: Now I just hope it won't drop the connection with 3.13 kernel
[10:33] <tomreyn> xjkx: i don't know, you best check exlipse documentation
[10:33] <vooze> varunendra: let me try :) 2 secs
[10:33] <xjkx> tomreyn: alright thanks
[10:33] <tomreyn> welcome
[10:34] <varunendra> vooze, just keep the firmware files handy, replace them if the speed drops after an update :)
[10:34] <vooze> varunendra: so first i do -rv and then -v right?
[10:34] <lvleph> how do I get xmodmap to be persistent after suspend and restart? Also, why is it .xprofile isn't executed after login?
[10:34] <Guest61902> Dude, use a BSD Lisense, then you can make a Linux-BSD kernel
[10:35] <_Yank> Even the ssh process isnt running, Im connecting to my VPS through the option my provider gives on the vps managing website
[10:35] <_Yank> http://pastebin.com/CR6BmMqg
[10:35] <varunendra> vooze, yes. Should I explain in detail? So you know why three commands?
[10:35] <Guest61902> you would rule the owlrd
[10:35] <cfhowlett> Guest61902, obviously this is off-topic.   please stop
[10:35] <Guest61902> MAC OS X would be stupid
[10:35] <bekks> _Yank: So whats the output of "ls -ld /bin /sbin"?
[10:35] <vooze> varunendra: If you want, learning is always good :D
[10:35] <_Yank> http://pastebin.com/CR6BmMqg
[10:35] <bekks> _Yank: So both directories exist, and your assumption is wrong then.
[10:36] <_Yank> well
[10:36] <bekks> _Yank: How do you check wether ssh is running?
[10:36] <lvleph> You would think after months I would get this problem fixed, but...
[10:36] <lvleph> I guess I could solve it by ditching lightdm in favor of GDM.
[10:36] <varunendra> vooze, lag is terrible here on my side, got your msg just now...
[10:37] <_Yank> I cant connect to it using SSH. Im using the VM machine option to connect to the VPS, like Im doing it mannually
[10:37] <sasuke> hi guys,
[10:37] <varunendra> vooze, the parameters are applied to the iwlwifi driver, but can be applied only after unloading --> reloading it. But it is used by iwlmvm, so can be unloaded until that one is removed first.
[10:38] <cfhowlett> sasuke, greetings
[10:38] <sasuke> hi
[10:38] <sasuke> i'm facing a problem, "nautilus  freeze when copying a file to external drive in ubuntu" can i get help on this
[10:38] <tomreyn> _Yank: sshd would be /usr/sbin/sshd
[10:39] <tomreyn> _Yank: how did you end up in this situation in the first place?
[10:39] <_Yank> I dont know >.<
[10:39] <vooze> varunendra: oh okay :D what commands to do use to test it without parameters?
[10:39] <varunendra> vooze, so we remove the "iwlmvm" first, it automatically unloads all its dependencies (including iwlwifi). Then we reload only iwlwifi first, with the desired parameters, then iwlmvm in the last. Hence 1st command removes iwlmvm+others 2nd : reloads iwlwifi, 3rd reloads iwlwifi
[10:39] <tomreyn> _Yank: are you the only administraotr (root access) on this system?
[10:40] <_Yank> Yes
[10:40] <vooze> varunendra: ahh, I see now :d
[10:40] <varunendra> vooze, to test it without parameters, just unload/reload the iwlmvm (sudo modprobe -rv iwlmvm........ then ........ sudo modprobe -v iwlmvm)
[10:40] <drmagoo> sasuke: do 'dmesg' and provide us the output via pastebin
[10:40] <vooze> varunendra: okay, Will try that now :)
[10:41] <sasuke> drmagoo, ok
[10:41] <drmagoo> sasuke: that is open a terminal and type 'dmesg'
[10:41] <tomreyn> _Yank: so you installed this VPS a while ago, and it worked fine for a while, and now it doesn't? if so, what happened in between?
[10:41] <varunendra> *3rd reloads iwlmvm (sh***) :/
[10:41] <_Yank> Yes, but I dont know what happened... I think my provider has to do with it but they dont say anything
[10:41] <tomreyn> _Yank: you also wrote "it returns me bash command not found to every command", do you want to paste such in- and output on your terminal?
[10:42] <lvleph> how do I get xmodmap to be persistent after suspend and restart? Also, why is it .xprofile isn't executed after login?
[10:42] <vooze> varunendra: okay , waiting 2 mins and then testing :)
[10:42] <varunendra> vooze, yup. I'd be keen to know the difference (if any) :)
[10:42] <_Yank> http://pastebin.com/wXdqL5zL
[10:43] <tomreyn> _Yank: thanks. is there a reason why you work in / ?
[10:43] <vooze> varunendra: it seems its the same (80+) without
[10:44] <vooze> varunendra: So you think this also might fix the wifi drops right?
[10:44] <_Yank> work in ?
[10:44] <vooze> with the newer kernel and all
[10:44] <varunendra> vooze, that's good. Parameters should be used only when (if) needed.
[10:44] <tomreyn> _Yank: usually the root user would work in the /root/ directory, not in / (as you do)
[10:44] <varunendra> vooze, if it drops after some time, try the "swcrypto=1" alone first.
[10:44] <_Yank> even when i cd
[10:45] <_Yank> same goe
[10:45] <_Yank> goes*
[10:45] <sasuke> drmagoo, i am not getting anything on this o/p ... plz chk  "http://paste.ubuntu.com/6981049/"
[10:45] <_Yank> But that happens because im using VM console way
[10:45] <varunendra> vooze, does "iwconfig" show any "invalid misc" or "Tx excessive retries" now?
[10:46] <tomreyn> _Yank: so you're connected via a serial console now? did the system boot normally or was it booted from a different installation, then chrooted onto your system?
[10:47] <vooze> varunendra: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6981061/
[10:47] <_Yank> normally i think
[10:47] <RADDyomin> Hello. I want to install Ubuntu and Debian on our school computers. How can I show that these systems are free when the license is checked by anybody?
[10:48] <varunendra> vooze, that doesn't look good
[10:48] <cfhowlett> RADDyomin, paste a copy of the license on each box?
[10:48] <_Yank> BRB
[10:48] <_Yank> wait guys
[10:48] <vooze> varunendra:  :/
[10:49] <varunendra> vooze, if those numbers keep rising, try the parameters and see if they can help keeping it low
[10:49] <RADDyomin> cfhowlett, these systems are iso's burned into disks.
[10:49] <drmagoo> sasuke: it looks like the drive is formated in Fat32 and seems to be corrupt... is this a new or old drive ?
[10:49] <varunendra> vooze, also try - "sudo iwconfig wlan0 power off"
[10:49] <cfhowlett> RADDyomin, paste a paper/cardboard copy of the license on each desk ... or make it the splash screen
[10:49] <RADDyomin> Are there any stickers like Win-OEMs that I can stick on the computer?
[10:49] <tester56> is the following somehow possible: boot live image, then create preseed file and pass it to the installer, without rebooting?
[10:50] <RADDyomin> thank you?
[10:50] <RADDyomin> ^)
[10:50] <cfhowlett> RADDyomin, not for the license so far as I know...
[10:50] <sasuke> drmagoo, "http://imagebin.org/295164" i'm copying some songs to nexus4.. it hungs like this
[10:51] <vooze> varunendra: seems its the same after power off
[10:52] <rannonga> sasuke: does nothing work or just this transfer
[10:52] <cfhowlett> sasuke, too much for one copy instance.  don't know of the issue is on the android or ubuntu side, but I've always had better success copying music in smaller batches.
[10:52] <varunendra> vooze, does "iwconfig" show the Power Management as "off" now? It may change automatically (in which case, there are other possible ways to keep it off)
[10:52] <sasuke> rannonga, nothing
[10:52] <sasuke> this is not the only transfer
[10:53] <drmagoo> sasuke: if you look at the first pastebin, from line 1172 to 1423 shows the errors. is this a a 16gb thumbdrive or a harddrive?
[10:53] <rannonga> drmagoo: nexus4
[10:53] <vooze> varunendra: oh yes, it says off
[10:54] <VlanX> I'm planning to run the "smartctl" command every 1 hour on so to keep an eye on my HDD temperature, I wonder if such a frequent check on the smart status could possibly be bad for the drive
[10:54] <vooze> varunendra: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6981094/
[10:54] <sasuke> drmagoo, its my phone
[10:54] <sasuke> followed this procedure "http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/06/mount-nexus-4-on-ubuntu" to mount the device
[10:55] <cfhowlett> sasuke, also you DID set your USB connection to media not camera, right?
[10:56] <varunendra> vooze, another thing (that doesn't usually matter) : if a value is given after a colon (:), it is variable and may change. If it is after 'Equal' (=), it is forced and fixed. So the Power Management seems dynamic at the moment. :)
[10:56] <sasuke> cfhowlett, how to check that?
[10:56] <cfhowlett> sasuke, look on your phone ... storage
[10:57] <sasuke> cfhowlett, oh... that media device only
[10:57] <sasuke> not phone
[10:57] <sasuke> not camera*
[10:57] <cfhowlett> Sashmo_, right
[10:57] <vooze> varunendra: ah okay :D I see the difference
[10:57] <vooze> varunendra: I'll just try to turn on 5Ghz Wifi insted of only 2.4 and see how that goes :D
[10:58] <varunendra> vooze, as long as you are getting the high speeds, we can learn more from YOUR experience, and these conventions may not matter :)
[10:58] <sasuke> evern if it a single file which is more than 500mb more, the progess bar / nautilus freezes
[10:59] <cfhowlett> sasuke, if you have wifi, you can always try airdroid
[10:59] <sasuke> cfhowlett, is there any better one.. without n/w
[11:00] <sasuke> i mean by using cable
[11:00] <sasuke> is there any solution or procedure to follow
[11:01] <sasuke> cfhowlett, its not only for phone, if i connected to external hd... facing the same issue
[11:01] <cfhowlett> sasuke, I'm on 12.04 so my setup required me to so some weird MTP configurations to get cable to work at all
[11:01] <cfhowlett> sasuke, but that last suggest something other than android at play ...
[11:01] <sasuke> :)
[11:02] <rannonga> lol thats not good
[11:05] <sasuke> is there some configuration need to be done while copying from ext4 to ntfs filesystem (i.e from ubuntu to pendrive/external hd)
[11:06] <rannonga> sasuke i just mount it manually with ntfs-3g then unmount it when i'm finished
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> Sasuke: the kernel handles the two file systems for you
[11:11] <sasuke> rannonga, is copying is working for you .. with an ntfs partition
[11:11] <rannonga> yeah
[11:11] <sasuke> ActionParsnip, i dint get you ...
[11:12] <vooze> varunendra: okay thats strange.. the laptop can't see the 5Ghz Wifi, but my Android phone can
[11:13] <sasuke> ActionParsnip, two file system means.. normally i will have ext4... other one is ntfs / fat 32 when i connected some externel device... Everyone will have the same right?
[11:13] <sasuke> plz correct me if i'm wrong
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> Sasuke: the kenel handles the filesystem access, so when you access the mount point the system knows how to read the source and when the data is copied to the other filesy1stem it knows how to put the data on the partition in the right way
[11:13] <q0> what's the hostname resolving command ?
[11:13] <bekks> q0: "dig"
[11:14] <varunendra> vooze, which country are you in? Your "Regulatory Domain" settings seem to be at defaults (00) instead of being set to some specific country. That may be the reason
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> Q0: ping, dig, nslookup
[11:14] <vooze> varunendra: I'm in Denmark
[11:14] <vooze> varunendra: I have selected the right country in the router
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> Vooze: what is the output of: cat /etc/issue
[11:16] <varunendra> vooze, but the driver doesn't seem to have recognized the setting : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6980785/  (notice the "iw reg get" section)
[11:16] <sasuke> ActionParsnip, ok.. can you tell me how can i find a solution
[11:17] <vooze> varunendra:  okay nevermind, it just showed up after like 5 mins.. pretty weird
[11:17] <sasuke> ActionParsnip, i 'm facing problem while transferring when i mount an externel device (phone/pendrive/external hd)
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> Sasuke: when you finish with the USB drive, do you use the safe removal feature or do you just pull it out?
[11:17] <vooze> a bit speed increase I think maybe.. So thats good :)
[11:17] <varunendra> vooze, what does "iw reg get" show now? Country code "DK" ?? or still "00"?
[11:17] <sasuke> i 'l unmount in gui
[11:18] <vooze> varunendra: still 00
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> Sasuke: and in Windows too?
[11:18] <klloveall> Hi there everyone! So, I was planning to go to bed and watch some TV from my media server when it can't connect. I come to it and try to turn it on and am greeted with a lovely "Kernel panic" message. I thought it was perhaps a HDD failing (they're in a RAID) so I unplugged the one it was trying to read from directly before the kernel panic and it just moved to another HDD. I'm going to take a guess that it's probably the contro
[11:18] <klloveall> ller/mobo that's gone bad rather than both HDD's. Is this a good conclusion or is there something more I can look for to give me a definite answer?
[11:18] <sasuke> no.. i'm not using windows. Infact i dont have any windows systme
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> Sasuke: then why use NTFS?
[11:18] <cfhowlett> ?? ^^^ exactly!
[11:19] <unitypunk> hey..
[11:19] <rannonga> hi unitypunk
[11:19] <unitypunk> so i generated a pair of rsa keys for my ssh server
[11:19] <bekks> klloveall: Why do you think its a harddisk or controller failure?
[11:19] <bekks> klloveall: Any indicators on that, or just a wild guess?
[11:19] <unitypunk> but when i copy my pub one to a client
[11:19] <unitypunk> i get permission denied (publickey).
[11:20] <unitypunk> what am i doing wrong?
[11:20] <varunendra> vooze, if you are connected and the traffic is on, then maybe it doesn't matter, but if you wish, you may try forcing your country RegDomain settings. I'm not sure if that'll make any difference or not.
[11:20] <vooze> varunendra: I think its good for now. its seems pretty stable with 5Ghz
[11:20] <sasuke> :) i dont know about fs in nexus 4, pendrive/HD (if its mine i can change fs to ext 3 but some time i will be using my frnds )
[11:20] <vooze> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3326101594
[11:21] <Da_Sokk> Hi. I just got a school assignment, asking me to explain chroot and the principles behind it. Does anyone have any clue what these principles might refer to ?
[11:21] <cfhowlett> !chroot
[11:21] <klloveall> bekks: Because that's what the kernel is interacting with right before it panics and it says "end_request: critical target error, dev sde, sector 1224912". Before it had the same message but sdb instead and a different sector #.
[11:21] <varunendra> vooze, that's the only thing that matters in the last :D
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> unitypunk: does your user have read access to the key file?
[11:21] <unitypunk> ActionParsnip, the private file? or pub?
[11:22] <bekks> klloveall: So most likely your disks sdb and sde are in question. Boot a live cd and investigate the health status of the disks in question, using smartctl
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> unitypunk: on the server, does the user you connec as have read access to the file
[11:22] <sasuke> ActionParsnip, cfhowlett : Thanks i will change fs for pendrive/ hd. but what about ph (nexus 4). Everytime i cant use airdroid for transfering.
[11:22] <unitypunk> to what file, thats part of my confusin, the public or private?
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> unitypunk: setting chmod to 600 then chowning to youruser.youruser will help security
[11:23] <vooze> varunendra: indeed it it! Well.. REALLY THANK YOU, for your patience with me.. thats really awesome.. I have saved the log etc. for use maybe later
[11:23] <unitypunk> theyre r/o
[11:23] <unitypunk> for the user
[11:23] <unitypunk> both actually.
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> Vooze: sweet connection bro
[11:23] <vooze> ActionParsnip:  thank you :D
[11:23] <varunendra> vooze, we are hungry for feedbacks, so I should thank YOU :D
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> unitypunk: try sshing with verbose option on the client
[11:24] <vooze> varunendra: I will post the story to the UF as promised :)
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> unitypunk: ssh -v user@server
[11:24] <cfhowlett> sasuke, I've not figured out the transfer issue - sorry
[11:24] <varunendra> vooze, in fact I'm about to shoot an email to chili555 with our experience here.. with all the details you provided. :)
[11:24] <klloveall> bekks: it only changed after I unplugged one of the drives. I find it unlikely that both of them would have failed at the same time.
[11:25] <bekks> klloveall: I find it very likely that drives start to fail in a short amount of time.
[11:25] <vooze> varunendra: oh okay, thats awesome :)
[11:25] <bekks> klloveall: Investigate the health status of all dives.
[11:25] <bekks> *drives
[11:25] <sasuke> cfhowlett, no worries.. thank u .. atleast i got some solution ... thanks to you guys... i will change fs for external usb/hd
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> klloveall: if you reconnect the drive it should rebuild the array (Assuming you arent using software raid)
[11:26] <varunendra> vooze, I suggest you test it across a few reboots, and maybe post after an experience of a day or two.
[11:26] <unitypunk> ActionParsnip, it attempts to send the publickey from /home/user/.ssh/id_rsa
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> unitypunk: does your user have read access to that file?
[11:27] <vooze> varunendra: I will :) just post to UF or to you here?
[11:27] <klloveall> bekks: I'll give that a shot tomorrow, I have no idea where a flash drive is.
[11:27] <_Yank> Im back
[11:28] <theadmin> Hello everyone. I am having trouble with Ubuntu One for two days now, it's not syncing anything. u1sdtool --current-transfers is empty, new files aren't visible on the website. u1sdtool --waiting lists the entries, but they never get processed.
[11:28] <varunendra> vooze, UF, the same thread so chili555 knows. I have already subscribed to it.
[11:28] <vooze> varunendra: will do! :)
[11:28] <klloveall> ActionParsnip: It's a software raid done through mdadm. However, the OS is on a flashdrive so the raid is not needed to boot.
[11:29] <bekks> klloveall: Then you dont need a livecd, but you can use your OS.
[11:29] <varunendra> vooze, thanks for the interest :)
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> klloveall: as long as it can be unmounted, you can work on it
[11:29] <unitypunk> ActionParsnip, there is only id_rsa.pub on the client
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> unitypunk: you need the private key on the client and your public key on the server. I suggest you remove both and start over. There are videos on youtube to help set it up.
[11:32] <unitypunk> ActionParsnip, lol wtf that sounds backwards.. so i have to give the private file to any clients.. derp.
[11:32] <unitypunk> thats the issue for sure.
[11:32] <mshaw> it's _their_ key, not yours :)
[11:34] <_Yank> ack
[11:34] <_Yank> tomreyn: Im back
[11:36] <unitypunk> ActionParsnip, thanks, the permissions of the key seem to be getting warped somewhere.
[11:37] <unitypunk> chmoding to 600 fixed it up right.
[11:38] <_Yank> Guys I would like to know how can I transfer a tar.gz file using ssh with putty. Actually my VPS sftp is not working
[11:39] <theadmin> _Yank: SFTP and SSH are the same thing. If SFTP doesn't work, SSH file transfer won't either.
[11:40] <_Yank> Actually I dont know how I can reply this
[11:40] <_Yank> Actually SSH is not working
[11:40] <_Yank> Im using a serial console (VM Console)
[11:40] <hassan_> Hey Guys! i have a problem in ubuntu 13.10. The Dash is completely black.
[11:40] <theadmin> _Yank: Ah. What OS does your VPS run? If it's Ubuntu, you just need to "sudo apt-get install openssh-server" to get SSH/SFTP up
[11:41] <I4is> www.ubuntu.com home of the gods
[11:41] <_Yank> I cant use any command
[11:41] <I4is> _YankieDoodle
[11:41] <mshaw> _Yank: what does echo $PATH say?
[11:41] <_Yank> It returns me "bash: command not found" to every single command
[11:41] <_Yank> Ive checked that
[11:41] <_Yank> It seems to be correct
[11:42] <mshaw> can you do, /usr/bin/ssh ?
[11:42] <theadmin> _Yank: Oh dear, that's a mess... You probably need to ask your VPS provider to reset the VPS, it's broken. Maybe ask them to backup the data if it's got important things on it.
[11:42] <I4is> echo /home/user/mshaw/$path
[11:42] <_Yank> Thats the problem... I need my files first
[11:42] <_Yank> I compressed my home folder into a tar.gz file
[11:43] <_Yank> I opened the tar.gz file using cat command in order to past it in a tar.gz file anywhere in my computer
[11:43] <hassan_> Oh Crap!
[11:43] <_Yank> past the text
[11:43] <theadmin> _Yank: That won't work...
[11:43] <_Yank> kinda crazy
[11:43] <hassan_> Come on! give me the fucking answer. My dash is black. :(
[11:43] <I4is> hassan_: calm down
[11:43] <mshaw> wait, so cat, tar and gz work?
[11:43] <_Yank> yea
[11:43] <_Yank> http://pastebin.com/wXdqL5zL
[11:44] <mshaw> you keep showing that
[11:44] <mshaw> so cat, gz and tar work?
[11:44] <diecastarts> heya all. where would i found the file that would I can turn off the auto login. using lubuntu if that in a different spot then ubuntu
[11:44] <theadmin> _Yank: But, here's what will! Open the file with vi, then type :%!xxd and copy the result, then open it (again, with vim) on another machine and type :%!xxd -r and :wq
[11:44] <hassan_> Fuck it!
[11:44] <mshaw> _Yank: pastebin: ls /usr/bin
[11:44] <_Yank> Ok Ok :D
[11:45]  * I4is drags theadminout back
[11:45] <theadmin> _Yank: Although that's a rubbish method, but that would work
[11:45] <_Yank> 1 thing
[11:45] <_Yank> I have not vi >.>
[11:45] <mshaw> even better, pastebin: ls -al /usr/bin
[11:45] <hassan_> Hey Guys! i have a problem in ubuntu 13.10. The Dash is completely black.
[11:45] <I4is> sudo apt-get install vi
[11:45] <hassan_> Hey Guys! i have a problem in ubuntu 13.10. The Dash is completely black.
[11:45] <hassan_> Hey Guys! i have a problem in ubuntu 13.10. The Dash is completely black.
[11:45] <_Yank> l4is
[11:45] <hassan_> Hey Guys! i have a problem in ubuntu 13.10. The Dash is completely black.
[11:45] <hassan_> Hey Guys! i have a problem in ubuntu 13.10. The Dash is completely black.
[11:45] <theadmin> hassan_: Yeah... Sounds like something with video drivers
[11:45] <hassan_> Hey Guys! i have a problem in ubuntu 13.10. The Dash is completely black.
[11:45] <hassan_> Hey Guys! i have a problem in ubuntu 13.10. The Dash is completely black.
[11:45] <theadmin> hassan_: STOP SPAMMING THE CHANNEL
[11:45] <hassan_> Hey Guys! i have a problem in ubuntu 13.10. The Dash is completely black.
[11:45] <theadmin> !ops
[11:46] <hassan_> Hey Guys! i have a problem in ubuntu 13.10. The Dash is completely black.
[11:46] <jatt> !flood
[11:46] <hassan_> Hey Guys! i have a problem in ubuntu 13.10. The Dash is completely black.
[11:46] <mshaw> hassan_: holy shit shut the fuck up
[11:46] <hassan_> Hey Guys! i have a problem in ubuntu 13.10. The Dash is completely black.
[11:46] <Seveas> hassan_: go fuck off.
[11:46] <hassan_> Hey Guys! i have a problem in ubuntu 13.10. The Dash is completely black.
[11:46] <diecastarts> quit flooring man
[11:46] <hassan_> Hey Guys! i have a problem in ubuntu 13.10. The Dash is completely black.
[11:46] <hassan_> Hey Guys! i have a problem in ubuntu 13.10. The Dash is completely black.
[11:46] <diecastarts> flooding
[11:46] <hassan_> Im Sorry
[11:46] <Seveas> hassan_: go away.
[11:46] <Seveas> you lost all chance for support
[11:46] <theadmin> hassan_: ...okay. As I said, check for video drivers for your card
[11:46] <_Yank> l4is: /bin/usr path not found
[11:46] <hassan_> Im Really Really Sorry.
[11:46] <theadmin> _Yank: Not /bin/usr, /usr/bin
[11:46] <mshaw> _Yank: i didn't say /bin/usr
[11:46] <mshaw> /usr/bin
[11:46]  * I4is DRAGS Seveas: to the back of the building and throws them into the trash can
[11:46] <_Yank> kk
[11:47] <_Yank> even that
[11:47] <_Yank> returns the samething
[11:47] <mshaw> _Yank: so again, gz and tar work for you?
[11:47] <hassan_> OK! i've intel graphics card.
[11:47] <_Yank> yes...
[11:47] <_Yank> http://pastebin.com/wXdqL5zL
[11:47] <_Yank> everything there works
[11:47] <mshaw> _Yank: which gz
[11:47] <mshaw> and that paste shows nothing
[11:47] <theadmin> hassan_: You can usually find extra drivers by going to System Settings -> Software & Updates -> Additional drivers
[11:47] <mshaw> type: which gz
[11:48] <_Yank> not gz
[11:48] <I4is> theadmin:  is the man
[11:48] <_Yank> only tar
[11:48] <mshaw> okay, then type: which tar
[11:48] <hassan_> It doesnt work.
[11:48] <niuniu> ~
[11:48] <klloveall> bekks/: Did you reply? I ran downstairs to get a drink and when I came back my screen was filled with people quitting messages.
[11:48] <theadmin> hassan_: Wuh. Is it one of the fancy intel/nvidia hybrid cards?
[11:48] <hassan_> i Dunno.
[11:48] <_Yank> mshaw: returns /bin/tar
[11:49] <nerp> hassan_: what kind of computer are you using?
[11:49] <theadmin> hassan_: Hit Ctrl+Alt+T, type "lspci | grep VGA", press Enter and pastebin the output to http://paste.ubuntu.com, then link me
[11:49] <diecastarts> I hae one of the that type of video chips
[11:49] <mshaw> _Yank: can you type: mount /usr/bin
[11:49] <hassan_> I Quit.
[11:49] <diecastarts> Wait
[11:49] <diecastarts> hassan_, what was the problem
[11:50] <diecastarts> black screen on boot
[11:50] <_Yank> mshaw: returns me "mount: can't find /usr/bin in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[11:50] <theadmin> diecastarts: Black dash
[11:50] <diecastarts> ??
[11:50] <diecastarts> laptop?
[11:50] <mshaw> you need to talk to your hosting company
[11:50] <hassan_> The Dash is black. but when i change the wallpaper. it comes to normal.
[11:50] <mshaw> and if you signed up for one that doesn't do backups, i pity you
[11:50] <I4is> ok
[11:50] <I4is> hassan_:  sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade -y; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y
[11:51] <hassan_> Is it working???
[11:51] <diecastarts> oh ok i am not sure how to help ya sorry. sounds like same problem i was having before.
[11:51] <I4is> enjoy hope that helps
[11:52] <_Yank> cant I do what theadmin using nano instead of vim
[11:52] <I4is> i figured it out
[11:52] <I4is> i paste him cmd
[11:52] <diecastarts> it sounds like before i meant there sorry.
[11:52] <I4is> sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade -y; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y
[11:52] <nerp> hassan_: is the computer a laptop?
[11:52] <I4is> for hassan_
[11:52] <hassan_> Desktop
[11:52] <_Yank> cant I do what theadmin said using nano instead of vi ? *
[11:52] <theadmin> _Yank: Well, vim isn't exactly necessary for this... Technically, all you need is the xxd command. I dunno why I used vim for example :D
[11:52] <theadmin> Maybe because I do it that way sometimes myself >_>
[11:53] <hassan_> How can i trust this ppa??
[11:53] <I4is> its from ubuntus site?
[11:53] <I4is> ...
[11:53] <nerp> hassan_: you are making it really hard for people to help you
[11:54]  * I4is is just being nice :(
[11:54] <hassan_> I have changed my DE to Cinnamon. :)
[11:54] <theadmin> _Yank: "xxd infile outfile" would take infile and turn it into hex, then dump it to outfile. xxd -r infile outfile would do the reverse, take the hex codes from infile, and turn them into binary data in outfile.
[11:54] <hassan_> Now! im happy.
[11:54]  * I4is cries on nerp: 's shoulder
[11:54] <diecastarts> ok so seeing some flooded before my question was push up too fast... I need to know where i can turn off auto logging setting
[11:54] <theadmin> diecastarts: logging?
[11:54] <diecastarts> yes
[11:54] <nerp> I4is: lol it's ok, you did your best.
[11:54] <_Yank> xxd command not found
[11:54] <theadmin> diecastarts: ...I don't see why you would. If logs take too much disk space, you should install logrotate, that will fix the problem
[11:55] <_Yank> This can be stupid but cant I write mannually the xxd to bin folder
[11:55] <I4is> i <3 buntu
[11:55] <hassan_> Me Too.
[11:55] <diecastarts> theadmin, the problem i been having is that it was set on from before. but what happens now after a small crash it goes to the logging screen.. but go to login in to the normal user account it flashes black and goes right back tot he login
[11:56] <theadmin> _Yank: Manually? It's not too possible to write binary data manually other than using a hex/binary editor
[11:56] <_Yank> oh
[11:56] <diecastarts> but if i user the guest accoutn no problem or a different DE like openbox
[11:56] <I4is> nerp: how is your morning/night?
[11:56] <theadmin> diecastarts: Ah. Auto LOGIN, not logging :D That should be simple, what is your Ubuntu version?
[11:56] <cityLights> hi , How can I see the changelog for flashplugin-installer_11.2.202.3 ?
[11:57] <diecastarts> theadmin, Lubuntu 13.10
[11:57] <hassan_> Any Elementary lover??
[11:57] <nerp> I4is: Pretty good, just poking around on the intertubes, you?
[11:58] <theadmin> diecastarts: Great, then do "sudo nano /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf" and remove the autologin-user line
[11:58] <I4is> nerp: ev training :P
[11:58] <nerp> I4is: ev?
[11:58] <I4is> yupp
[11:58] <theadmin> diecastarts: (and save the file)
[11:59] <diecastarts> remove that whole line of code???
[11:59] <theadmin> diecastarts: Yes, it should be something like autologin-user=your-username-here
[11:59] <glitsj16> cityLights: apt-get changelog <package> will show that
[11:59] <theadmin> diecastarts: Just remove that.
[11:59] <diecastarts> theadmin, yes
[12:00] <cityLights> glitsj16: AttributeError: ControlStanza instance has no attribute 'Package'
[12:01] <diecastarts> theadmin, ok but how to save from that is it the writeout option
[12:01] <glitsj16> cityLights: i was unclear, you need to exchange <package> for the actual package name, flashplugin-installer in this case
[12:01] <diecastarts> ^O
[12:01] <diecastarts> crtl O
[12:01] <theadmin> diecastarts: Yes, press Ctrl-O
[12:02] <diecastarts> kk going to test that
[12:03] <cityLights> glitsj16, thanks
[12:03] <cityLights> apt-listchanges seems broken
[12:03] <I4is> nerp:  you code
[12:04] <nerp> I4is: not much, but I am trying to teach myself.
[12:04] <I4is> nerp:  if you need a partner i can help ive be coding for ever
[12:05] <nerp> I4is: awesome what languages do you use mostly?
[12:06] <I4is> nerp:  web lang: php mysql perl html css html5 js jsquery asp.net python (cgi rarely) also for programming i use c# c++ ruby ruby on rails and more...
[12:07] <dog-food_> will ubuntu ruin my ssd if I use swap
[12:07] <diecastarts> Darn still not working. i am out of idea's to fix that login problem
[12:07] <bekks> dog-food_: No.
[12:07] <nerp> I4is: nice, that's a solid collection lol
[12:07] <Da_Sokk> Hi. I just got a school assignment, asking me to explain chroot and the principles behind it. Does anyone have any clue what these principles might refer to ?
[12:07] <I4is> nerp:  ty :) also love LUA
[12:07] <I4is> can i pm you nerp
[12:08] <nerp> I4is: sure
[12:08] <theadmin> Hey I code too :D
[12:08] <I4is> :D
[12:08] <theadmin> But anyway, this is getting offtopic.
[12:08] <I4is> <3 theadmin
[12:09] <theadmin> Da_Sokk: Principles is a highly broad term, sadly. You can go starting to explain what a filesystem is, because it's part of the chroot concept :/
[12:09] <diecastarts> theadmin, hate the bug ya again but you the backstory.. have an idea about my login repeating problem
[12:09] <cityLights> New upstream release 11.2.202.341 : debian/flashplugin-installer.{config,postinst},
[12:09] <cityLights> what does this mean?
[12:09] <cityLights> why is flash updated , if it is no longer supported by adobe?
[12:09] <bekks> cityLights: that debian/flashplugin-installer.{config,postinst} have changed.
[12:09] <theadmin> diecastarts: Not really, it seems like something's wrong with the DE configuration
[12:09] <theadmin> cityLights: Um, it's still supported. They release bugfixes and security updates, just not add any new "features" to their Linux builds
[12:10] <theadmin> (apart from Chrome)
[12:10] <bekks> cityLights: flash itself has not changed, just two files in the .deb configuration.
[12:11] <cityLights> well, I am looking in /var/lib/dpkg/info/flashplugin-installer.config
[12:11] <cityLights> I see no "bug fix"
[12:11] <diecastarts> theadmin, yeah. I was trying to close out a game i think it changed the res to odd one.. could see everything but everything was to big.. so i tried to do shutdown and reboot and then this started.
[12:11] <theadmin> diecastarts: wuh... yeah, that happens with some games
[12:11] <bekks> cityLights: Both files debian/flashplugin-installer.{config,postinst} are not provided by Adobe, but the .deb package maintainer. And he/she changed both files.
[12:11] <theadmin> diecastarts: (or fullscreen apps in general)
[12:12] <theadmin> Unfortunately, I have no idea how to fix this though :(
[12:12] <diecastarts> theadmin, should i pastebin the config?
[12:12] <theadmin> diecastarts: Of what?
[12:13] <petzup> hy
[12:13] <petzup> i have installed ubuntu 13.10, but have hibernate problem
[12:13] <petzup> when i try s2disk it just stuck and screen doesnt turn off
[12:13] <ToaNii> Anyone has experience install ubuntu on Mac?
[12:14] <diecastarts> well the problem is on my normal DE i cannot login with my normal user. just the guest account. it that or i have to use the open DE to be able to login.
[12:14] <theadmin> diecastarts: Yeah, I understand that. What is your "normal" DE?
[12:14] <diecastarts> openbox I meant sorry
[12:14] <diecastarts> Lubuntu
[12:15] <cfhowlett> !mac|ToaNii,
[12:15] <trinode> quick question, power usage is different between two kernels massively, how do I see what's changed between the two? packages?
[12:15] <trinode> (it's significant 11W vs 25W)
[12:15] <theadmin> diecastarts: LXDE, that is. Hrm. I have no idea where that stores configs, so these paths are wild guesses, but still. Log in anyway you can to your own user account and run: rm -r ~/.lxde ~/.lxde4 ~/.config/lxde ~/.config/lxde4 -- it is likely to report "file not found" for some of these, at least.
[12:15] <theadmin> diecastarts: (I am just guessing where it stores the configs)
[12:16] <ToaNii> cfhowlett: thanks but actually i've gone through the whole internet but no answer.
[12:16] <theadmin> diecastarts: If I guessed right, it should reset the DE to default and you'll be fine :D
[12:16] <diecastarts> theadmin, K thanks alot . been a few days of this lol
[12:17] <diecastarts> theadmin, all 4 cannotfind
[12:18] <petzup> soo anyone have ideas about hibernation?
[12:18] <theadmin> diecastarts: Damn... Well, hm.
[12:18] <diecastarts> one sec
[12:18] <theadmin> diecastarts: rm -r ~/.config/lxsession/
[12:18] <theadmin> diecastarts: This should help.
[12:19] <diecastarts> yeah was going to say all the stuff i seen was all in the .config
[12:19] <diecastarts> k going to try that
[12:20] <trinode> #ubuntu+1 is invite only?
[12:21] <cfhowlett> trinode, it is not
[12:21] <cfhowlett> anyone can /join
[12:21] <trinode> that was weird
[12:22] <trinode> I was instantly kicked the first time, it said it was inv only
[12:22] <theadmin> trinode: Maybe requires registration
[12:22] <trinode> worked now though
[12:22] <cfhowlett> glitch in the matrix
[12:22] <theadmin> Oh, okay, heh
[12:22] <diecastarts> theadmin, Yep everything good now. have to change a few setting again but Thanks a ton
[12:22] <theadmin> diecastarts: That's great :)
[12:34] <maksimkaa> hello, how can I know which version of php will be the default on the upcoming ubuntu LTS ?
[12:35] <vooze> varunendra: After some reboots etc. I have discovered that the 5Ghz network takes a lot longer to show up, after reboot, where the 2.4Ghz is instant (like it connects on the login screen) I would say the 5Ghz takes maybe 1-2 mins.. Do you have any idea what could cause this?
[12:35] <cfhowlett> maksimkaa, see the #ubuntu+1 channel for trusty discussions
[12:36] <varunendra> vooze, is it 2.4 + 5 GHz mixed mode or 5 GHz alone?
[12:36] <chuck__> hello
[12:36] <xjkx> I installed default-jdk and eclipse ran fine now, but I installed  ADT plugin for android development, now eclipse wants me to tell the sdk location, but I dont know
[12:36] <cfhowlett> chuck__, greetings
[12:36] <vooze> varunendra: its 5Ghz alone. I have 2 networks in the house. one of each
[12:36] <amsa> Hello all :)
[12:36] <theadmin> xjkx: You need the Android SDK as well.
[12:36] <chuck__> cfho... hi
[12:36] <browndawg> Hey. I have a certain port forwarded in my router for transmission & qbittorrent. I just closed qbittorrent & no other torrent clients are running, but nethogs shows quite a few open connections from different computers on 192.168.1.2:1892. Is this normal? Don't know too much about networks.
[12:37] <chuck__> i have a linux ubuntu studio
[12:37] <xjkx> theadmin: oh, thanks
[12:37] <cfhowlett> chuck__, same here 12.04
[12:37] <chuck__> no, 13.10
[12:37] <cfhowlett> chuck__, so /join #ubuntustudio for help
[12:37] <chuck__> for creative humans ;)
[12:38] <varunendra> vooze, I can think of only two experiments, not sure of the cause
[12:38] <browndawg> or if someone could help me with investigating this properly...
[12:38] <chuck__> and my comp is too slow...
[12:38] <cfhowlett> chuck__, #ubuntustudio channel
[12:39] <chuck__> ok thx
 try to check on with wireshark
[12:39] <chuck__> oh, i have a question
[12:40] <cfhowlett> chuck__, ask
[12:40] <chuck__> where i can find polish channel ?
[12:40] <browndawg> georoot: Any cli programs?
[12:40] <cfhowlett> !pl|chuck__,
[12:40] <chuck__> dzięki ;)
[12:41] <vooze> varunendra: did you say somthing after? the Wifi just crashed :/
 u may use tshark http://www.wireshark.org/docs/man-pages/tshark.html
[12:42] <varunendra> vooze, and I am experiencing serious lag :)
[12:42] <varunendra> vooze, I said - <varunendra> vooze, I can think of only two experiments, not sure of the cause
[12:43] <I4is> theadmin: you awake
[12:43] <theadmin> I4is: Quite.
[12:43] <browndawg> georoot: Why not just tcpdump?
[12:44] <I4is> you try or like LUA theadmin
[12:44] <theadmin> I4is: Tried a bit, didn't enjoy much
[12:44] <georoot> use that i never used it so cant vouch for it
[12:45] <browndawg> georoot: Care to look at tcpdump output if I paste it somewhere?
[12:46] <vooze> varunendra: For the fun of it, I will just try 14.04 daily iso and see how the wifi works on that :)
[12:46] <georoot> sure but i just looked it generates lots of data so pls be specific only to paste the usefull ones
[12:48] <antonio999999999> !list
[12:49] <varunendra> vooze, if the "swcrypto=1" option didn't have any bad effects, you should try making it permanent and see if it helps connecting quickly on 5 GHz. Reverting would be as easy as deleting a line or an entire file.
[12:50] <vooze> hmm good varunendra I'll try that :)
[12:51] <varunendra> vooze, I believe Ubuntu 13.04 and later already have an "iwlwifi.conf" file in /etc/modprobe.d. That is the file where you should add a single line (without quotes) : "options iwlwifi swcrypto=1"
[12:52] <stefanott> \list
[12:52] <varunendra> vooze, that will make the "swcrypto=1" parameter permanent so that it loads at startup. To revert, simply delete the line
[12:53] <cfhowlett> !list>stefanott,
[12:54] <varunendra> vooze, the other thing that you may (probably should) try is to force your country code on regdomain settings by adding a command "iw reg set DK" to your /etc/rc.local file (above the line "exit 0")
[12:56] <Evilmax> the sudo users are of the root group?
[13:00] <wthielen> where can i feedback on the Ubuntu Phone installation document (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install)
[13:01] <Anupkumar> hi, I am using ubuntu 13.04. If i want to install the mac theme completely what should I do?
[13:01] <Anupkumar> it must replace the above panel
[13:01] <cfhowlett> Anupkumar, 13.04 has reached end of life and is not supported.  upgrade
[13:02] <theadmin> Evilmax: No, the "sudo" group.
[13:02] <theadmin> Evilmax: (or the "admin" group in some older versions)
[13:02] <cfhowlett> Anupkumar, install the theme through ubuntu software center - point and click
[13:02] <cfhowlett> !phone|wthielen,
[13:02] <Anupkumar> cfhowlett: but for me the graphic problem will be there if I upgrade to saycy salamender
[13:02] <wthielen> thanks, just joined #ubuntu-touch
[13:03] <Anupkumar> cfhowlett: will it replace the entire unity?
[13:03] <Anupkumar> if I install it from the software center
[13:03] <cfhowlett> !nounity|Anupku
[13:04] <cfhowlett> Anupkumar, I don't know as I don't use unity
[13:11] <hello123> hello
[13:12] <hello123> people i need help
[13:12] <hello123> any one online?
[13:12] <nagarjuna_> hi
[13:12] <hello123> hey nagarjuna
[13:12] <nagarjuna_> hey
[13:13] <hello123> i needed help
[13:13] <hello123> i have ubuntu 12.04
[13:13] <nagarjuna_> :) i will try to help
[13:13] <nagarjuna_> if i know
[13:13] <hello123> i have 6 x 4tb hdd
[13:13] <cypher-neo> Explain the problem
[13:13] <hello123> but in /home only 3.9tb available
[13:13] <varunendra> Anupkumar, have you already seen any Mac theme?
[13:14] <hello123> any one?
[13:14] <nagarjuna_> use "sudo fdisk -l" and check
[13:14] <Anupkumar> varunendra: no
[13:14] <hello123> wait i will send here pic
[13:15] <hello123> http://someimage.com/no9iBmO
[13:15] <varunendra> hello123, post here the pastebin link to the output of "parted -l".  You may have to install it first (sudo apt-get install parted)
[13:15] <hello123> varundera ok
[13:16] <varunendra> Anupkumar, what is your idea of 'Mac theme'? The Dock?
[13:17] <hello123> http://pastebin.com/sFctEqAU
[13:17] <Anupkumar> varunendra: including the panel also
[13:17] <Anupkumar> varunendra: I think we can get the panel from cairo dock
[13:18] <Anupkumar> varunendra: but i have no idea about the panel
[13:18] <varunendra> Anupkumar, Cairo dock offers a complete DE also. You can choose to log into it at the login screen
[13:18] <trijntje_> hello123: that makes sense, you only have 4TB in home because you put home on only one disk
[13:19] <hello123> my friend says put it in raid 5 array all disks
[13:19] <hello123> but i dont know how to do i am new to linux
[13:19] <varunendra> Anupkumar, the one I have tried (quite some time ago) offered a Mac like dock, and gnome 2 like upper panel (only more aesthetic)
[13:19] <hello123> actually raid 1 array is working
[13:19] <Anupkumar> varunendra: how can we do that?
[13:19] <trijntje_> hello123: have your friends do it for you ;)
[13:19] <hello123> he is not ready to do it
[13:20] <trijntje_> hello123: why do you want to use raid anyway, what kind of pc is it and what do you want to use it for?
[13:21] <grisza> hey, guys i starting programming in java, whats is the best book for study ? :D
[13:21] <hello123> its server
[13:21] <varunendra> Anupkumar, just install cairo-dock. Then at the login screen, click at the Ubuntu logo at the top-right corner of the box where you enter your login id/pw. It should expand into a list of available DEs
[13:22] <hello123> i need in /home 24tb
[13:22] <yash069> hello123: sudo mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda
[13:22] <yash069> hello123: sudo mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdb
[13:22] <yash069> hello123: sudo mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdc
[13:22] <yash069> hello123: sudo mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdd
[13:22] <hello123> yash you need output?
[13:22] <hello123> mdadm: Couldn't open /dev/sda for write - not zeroing
[13:23] <hello123> yash069
[13:23] <yash069> no this will make drives forget RAID by zeroing out their md superblocks
[13:23] <hello123> mdadm: Couldn't open /dev/sda for write - not zeroing
[13:23] <trijntje_> yash069: don't just put dangerous commands in chat without explanation please
[13:23] <yash069> :o
[13:23] <yash069> u should unmount those drives first
[13:24] <yash069> sorry
[13:24] <hello123> :(
[13:24] <hello123> there is no mount point in fstab
[13:24] <wthielen> and dont trust everyone on chat, either :)
[13:25] <hello123> any idea?
[13:26] <resc_user_2391> hi
[13:26] <hello123> hi
[13:27] <grisza> hi
[13:27] <yash069> hello123: seems to me an ovh server, would u mind re-installing ubuntu with raid disabled
[13:27] <yash069> set raid to 0
[13:27] <resc_user_2391> i seem to be locked out of ubuntu
[13:27] <grabielone> salutare\
[13:28] <yash069> hello123: http://help.ovh.co.uk/RaidSoft use this guide
[13:28] <resc_user_2391> i enter my password and it trys to log me in but kicks me right back to the login page
[13:28] <yash069> hello123: ?
[13:29] <resc_user_2391> i have even reset my password in recovery and it does the same thing
[13:29] <varunendra> resc_user_2391, can you log into virtual tty with Ctrl-Alt-F1 (or F2,F3 etc)
[13:29] <resc_user_2391> im dual booted and im getting the blue screen in window
[13:30] <vooze> varunendra: so that really did not help.. either 14.04 daily or with the parameter.. The fun thing I found was that 14.04 had the firmware from intel (latest -8, da gave 1mbit) and the -7.
[13:30] <vooze> varunendra: it still takes alot of time and there is often problems connecting to 5Ghz.. Maybe I will just wait until intel fix it and use 2.4 until then
[13:31] <resc_user_2391> ubuntu wont let me login
[13:31] <varunendra> vooze, did you also try the "iw reg set DK" command?
[13:31] <resc_user_2391> only guest access
[13:31] <vooze> varunendra: oh no, I forgot about that, 2 secs :)
[13:31] <resc_user_2391> im new to linux
[13:31] <varunendra> resc_user_2391, not even with Ctrl-Alt-F1 ?
[13:32] <vooze> varunendra: Is that permanent, so i can try after reboot?
[13:32] <resc_user_2391> when would i put that in
[13:32] <resc_user_2391> im new like a few months new
[13:32] <resc_user_2391> lol
[13:32] <yeats> resc_user_2391: try it now
[13:33] <varunendra> resc_user_2391, when you are on the login screen, and press Ctrl-Alt-F1 keys, you should get a black command line screen. To get back to GUI, you'll have to press Ctrl-Alt-F7
[13:33] <resc_user_2391> k thanks
[13:33] <resc_user_2391> be back if it doesnt work
[13:37] <Arceye> Is there a way to turn off the ubuntu desktop gui and turn it back on again without rebooting ?
[13:37] <shankey> hello
[13:37] <perttu> yes
[13:37] <Arceye> perttu, can you tell me how ?
[13:37] <wiebels> How can I change the mount options on my primary partion (OS), /etc/fstab? I want to disable barriers as it doesnt work with my SSD
[13:37] <shankey> i am having issue with amd graphics drivers
[13:37] <perttu> just press alt+f2
[13:37] <cfhowlett> shankey, greetings
[13:37] <nagarjuna_> Arceye, try this "pkill -9 X"
[13:37] <wthielen> Arceye: ctrl-alt-backspace
[13:38] <perttu> and command sudo service lightdm stop
[13:38] <perttu> and the start again
[13:38] <wthielen> s/stop/restart/ actually
[13:39] <wthielen> or ctrl-alt-backspace, does the same thing
[13:39] <tomreyn> wiebels: sudo editor /etc/fstab
[13:39] <Arceye> wthielen, ctrl-alt-backspace kills the gui ?
[13:39] <shankey> whenever i install amd catalyst drivers unity panel doesnt start. and even ubuntu resolution is very low.
[13:39] <wthielen> yea
[13:39] <wthielen> and restarts it
[13:39] <wiebels> tomreyn thanks, thats what i thought, just wanted to be sure
[13:39] <Arceye> wthielen,  let me try that :)
[13:40] <vooze> varunendra: that had no effect :/ guess I'll wait for Intel to fix it :)
[13:40] <wthielen> sure :)
[13:40] <tomreyn> wiebels: also "man 5 fstab"
[13:40] <varunendra> Arceye, another option - Ctrl-Alt-F1 through F6, to return to GUI - Ctrl-Alt-F7. This will leave your GUI session running in the background, just change the screen from GUI to CLI
[13:40] <Arceye> wthielen, ctrl-alt-backspace does nothing :(
[13:40] <wthielen> oh..
[13:40] <wthielen> here it works..
[13:40] <varunendra> vooze, looks like the only option we are left with now anyway :)
[13:41] <jKlaus> Gah.. I can't seem to update any packages on my ubuntu server
[13:41] <wthielen> been using it for 15 years
[13:41] <tomreyn> wiebels: keep in mind that editing /etc/fstab makes changes permanent (until you edit it again or mount manually supplying different mount options), so maybe you want to test it first.
[13:41] <jKlaus> anyone decent with debugging this sort of thing?
[13:41] <jKlaus> http://pastebin.com/7vmdpBmc
[13:41] <vooze> varunendra: yeah :/ guess I will have to live with 80mbit... Of those first world problems.. :D
[13:41] <wthielen> anyway, zzz (GMT+9 here)
[13:41] <vooze> of = oh *
[13:41] <varunendra> :)
[13:41] <Millinder> hey
[13:42] <Millinder> anybody know wht omegle is?
[13:42] <Arceye> I'll explain what I want to do and it may help better.
[13:42] <wiebels> tomreyn yes, I am aware of that. I am just adding barrier=0 to my /dev/sda <-- I have a UPS and I am encountering weird issues with my jbd2/sda IO rate
[13:42] <cfhowlett> !info omegle
[13:42] <Millinder> anybody?
[13:42] <Millinder> I want to know if I do wrong
[13:42] <Guest62821> anyone have a tuto for the BT5R3
[13:42] <Millinder> if a girl show herself to me on site like omegle, do I do wrong?
[13:42] <Millinder> or I'm not blamed?
[13:42] <tomreyn> wiebels: maybe partitions aren't aligned properly?
[13:42] <cfhowlett> Millinder, wrong channel, off topic
[13:42] <Millinder> ?
[13:43] <Arceye> I want to build a game server with web and database,   but I need to be able to use desktop
[13:43] <Millinder> answer plz
[13:43] <cfhowlett> !ot|Millinder,
[13:43] <Millinder> lmao
[13:43] <lvleph> how do I change suspend hooks? Specifically, I need to run a script after resuming from suspend.
[13:43] <Millinder> ok here is some on topic for you
[13:43] <Arceye> However I only need the desktop to cinfigure things then I would like to stop it running when not needed
[13:43] <Millinder> when ubuntu and kubuntu used to send live cd to people, I ordered maybe 200-300 in many parts and used all this shit cd as frisbee ^^
[13:43] <jKlaus> can anyone help me get my system updating again?
[13:43] <Millinder> no wonder canonical dont do that cd anymore for free hahahahahaaa
[13:44] <wiebels> tomreyn I have no clue, it is a NAS with 12.04LTS on SSD and 2x1TB in Raid1. On filetransfer the speed fluctuates a lot (even pv / cp from SSD to SSD) and I am spotting a lot of 99.99% IO with iotop
[13:44] <cfhowlett> DJones, thank you.
[13:44] <resc_user_2374> i cant get into ubunto
[13:44] <resc_user_2374> ubuntu
[13:44] <cfhowlett> !details|resc_user_2374,
[13:45] <tomreyn> wiebels: hmm yeah this doesn't sound good. did you inspect the kernel log?
[13:45] <resc_user_2374> i tried cntl+alt+f1 and i dont know what to do after
[13:45] <lvleph> I must be invisible! Every question I have asked in here for the last two months gets ignored.
[13:45] <jKlaus> DJones, good man
[13:45] <wiebels> tomreyn I checked my dmesg, nothing in kernel log
[13:45] <resc_user_2374> i out in my password and it kicks me right back to the login page
[13:46] <jKlaus> Can anyone point me a direction to start debugging my package manager issues?
[13:46] <resc_user_2374> put
[13:46] <cfhowlett> resc_user_2374, can you login to guest?
[13:46] <resc_user_2374> yes and that is it
[13:46] <wiebels> tomreyn the jdb2/sda process seems to be over-active, as is the flush process
[13:46] <jKlaus> Or is it likely so screwed up I should just install a new OS?
[13:46] <cfhowlett> resc_user_2374, seen a few of these come up today.  did it EVER login?  what did you change?
[13:47] <varunendra> resc_user_2374, on that screen (ctrl-alt-F1) you had to enter your user id first, then password. Did you do it that way?
[13:47] <resc_user_2374> no it triees and kicks me right back out
[13:47] <tomreyn> wiebels: try this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/50428/how-do-i-check-whether-partitions-on-my-ssd-are-properly-aligned
[13:47] <tomreyn> wiebels: is this an ext4 file system then?
[13:48] <lvleph> How do I change suspend hooks? Specifically, I need to run a script after resuming from suspend.
[13:48] <pityuka44> Hi, I meet with a problem all the time but only on Debian and Ubuntu. Sometimes X crashesand I find myself watching the login screen. Many people have this problem. Why?
[13:48] <resc_user_2374> yes and i got kendall@kendall-thinkpad-t420:~$
[13:48] <wiebels> tomreyn yes, its ext4 even the RAID1 drives
[13:48] <varunendra> resc_user_2374, that means you successfully logged into the virtual tty
[13:49] <tomreyn> wiebels: oh so what you have a is a single ssd which contains the OS and 2 HDDs for storage, got it now.
[13:49] <varunendra> resc_user_2374, are you currently posting here from the guest account on the same machine?
[13:49] <wiebels> tomreyn that is correct, and my 2nd partition (extended) on /sda is not aligned
[13:50] <max3> is it possible to make dolphin the default file manager in gnome?
[13:50] <tomreyn> wiebels: hmm well you should back it up and recreate it.
[13:50] <Arceye> does the command "sudo service lightdm stop" and "sudo service lightdm start"    apply to xubuntu ?
[13:51] <lvleph> max3, http://askubuntu.com/questions/84929/how-to-set-up-dolphin-as-default-file-manager
[13:51] <max3> lvleph: it doesn't work
[13:51] <tomreyn> Arceye: it applies to lightdm, the universal login daemon ubuntu + xubuntu use by default
[13:51] <max3> lvleph: http://askubuntu.com/questions/293670/getting-error-when-trying-to-use-dolphin-instead-of-nautilus
[13:52] <max3> lvleph: that's not me but i get the same problem
[13:52] <lvleph> max3, there are three solutions
[13:52] <max3> lvleph: none of them work
[13:52] <resc_user_2374> how do i get back into ubuntu
[13:52] <tomreyn> Arceye: if your question was whether these commands will effecitvely restart your X server on xubuntu then the andswer is 'yes'
[13:52] <tirah4022> hello
[13:52] <resc_user_2374> i even reset my password and i still cant login
[13:52] <tomreyn> hi tirah4022
[13:53] <max3> lvleph: i have tried exo-tools, i have tried editing ~/.local/share/applications by hand, and i tried setting the mime using xdg
[13:53] <brucevein> amd-vi completion-wait loop timed out
[13:53] <lvleph> max3, I won't be of much help then.
[13:53] <resc_user_2374> im new to linux
[13:53] <brucevein> i'm getting this on boot when i try to install
[13:53] <Arceye> tomreyn,  thanks, everything else such as game, web , sql server will remain running right ?
[13:53] <lvleph> but at least you have confirmed that people can read what I post.
[13:53] <brucevein> i believe it has to do with iommu
[13:53] <varunendra> resc_user_2374, are you posting here from a different machine?
[13:53] <resc_user_2374> no
[13:53] <wiebels> tomreyn as the problem also occurs on the raid drives I suspect the alignment is not the culprit, however i was not aware that the SSD had an unaligned partition
[13:53] <lvleph> How do I change suspend hooks? Specifically, I need to run a script after resuming from suspend.
[13:54] <tirah4022> I am trying to install ubuntu on a pc with 2 1tb hdd I shrank my windows volume so I gave ubuntu 300 gb to work with, while ubuntu is partitioning the hardrive it comes up with ??? ??? and makes me restart the installation
[13:54] <varunendra> resc_user_2374, then? Guest session from Ubuntu on the same machine?
[13:54] <resc_user_2374> yes but i cant do anything in guest
[13:54] <tomreyn> Arceye: anythning which depends on the graphical output may fail
[13:54] <resc_user_2374> dont have the right permissions
[13:54] <tirah4022> like the partition is created and then when I click install it gets wiered
[13:55] <tomreyn> Arceye: servers (which usually don't have graphical output) should continue to operate fine
[13:55] <varunendra> resc_user_2374, I'm not sure it'll work, but please open a terminal with Ctrl-Alt-T or from dash
[13:55] <resc_user_2374> im dual booted and windows is giving the blue screen
[13:55] <Arceye> tomreyn, I don't think any of those items I listed are dependent on gui
[13:55] <himanshu> hi, Can I get some names of twitter client(GUI) that 'works' normally on ubuntu 13.04 ?
[13:56] <lvleph> I know of a web user interface
[13:56] <lvleph> lol
[13:56] <resc_user_2374> after i open the terminal what do i do after
[13:56] <tirah4022> any help?
[13:56] <varunendra> resc_user_2374, Does this command work - "df -h" ??
[13:57] <varunendra> resc_user_2374, does it show you the free space on root (/) ?
[13:57] <tomreyn> wiebels: yes i'm not sure about this either. i've had similar issues with ext4 and massive I/O load and a very busy jbd process, as had many other people. i didn't really find a reliable answer on the cause, nor on how to overcome it without loosing features you actually want, though.
[13:57] <tomreyn> Arceye: i don't know for "game", but the rest should be fine
[13:57] <wiebels> tomreyn but did you solve it in the end? or did you revert to ext3?
[13:57] <resc_user_2374> i can try but i would have to reboot agaon
[13:57] <resc_user_2374> again
[13:58] <tomreyn> wiebels: i passed management of that system on to someone else ;-)
[13:58] <wiebels> tomreyn ah, well thats no option as its located in my own basement :P
[13:58] <varunendra> resc_user_2374, does that command return nothing in the terminal?
[13:58] <Arceye> tomreyn, I know the game server will be fine :)  Just trying to make the move form winXP running as a server to ubuntu, so gathering information before I stary
[13:58] <Arceye> start*
[13:59] <resc_user_2374> im going to login here on a different pc so i can do it while im talking to you
[13:59] <resc_user_2374> brb
[13:59] <tomreyn> wiebels: you should definitely consider installing some monkeys in your basement.
[14:00] <tomreyn> Arceye: sounds liek a good way to go.
[14:01] <max3> is it possible to make dolphin handle the desktop in gnome? ie when i double click a folder on the desktop dolphin launches instead of nautilus?
[14:02] <Arceye> tomreyn,  last but very important is ftp. currently I run a 3rd party ftp server in xindows, it allows me to set up multiple users with different permissions, these users do not have accounts on the actual box, is this possible under linux as everthing I have read indicates not possible
[14:05] <tomreyn> Arceye: yes it's possible. what you're looking for is an ftp server with _virtual_ users
[14:05] <Arceye> tomreyn,  thanks again
[14:05] <wiebels> tomreyn I'm rather confident its the Ext4 journal service that messes with my drives.. and indeed it looks like a common yet unsolved issue
[14:08] <tomreyn> Arceye: welcome. i guess you probably want something like proftpd. it's rather straight forward to setup if you're already into apache httpd since the configuration file structure is similar. understanding the ftp protocol surely helps, though. there the most common options for storing virtual user accounts is in either flat text files or a mysql database
[14:08] <tirah4022> hi
[14:09] <tirah4022> when I am partitioning my hard drive the /dev/sda does not have the hard drive beside it
[14:09] <tomreyn> wiebels: it probably is that service, the question would be why it is, and answering this would likely require in-depth understanding of ext4, which i don't have.
[14:09] <spaceneedle> ubuntu 14.04: The Broadcom driver won't install. When this happens, I install the dkms and broadcom debian packages from the dvd--but this failed too.
[14:10] <wiebels> tomreyn and neither do I, it used to be an issue with the older kernel though. I might just leave it and wait for the next LTS
[14:11] <tomreyn> wiebels: sure if you can wait for two months. or try a newer kernel, or upgrade to 14.04 now, or upgrade to  13.10.
[14:11] <Arceye> tomreyn, I am currently reading about VSftpd, I honestly have no clue how to set any of this up in lunux yet ( just gathering information ) , as I am a very green linux newbie ( but learning ).
[14:11] <wiebels> tomreyn I'm not to fond of upgrades, I tend to do a fresh install.. however might just upgrade
[14:11] <wiebels> tomreyn I do want to thank you though ;).
[14:12] <papa_> hello world
[14:12] <Arceye> tomreyn, is there a ftp server which I can set up using a gui for configuration ?
[14:12] <tomreyn> wiebels: maybe upgrade this time, and do a fresh install when 14.04 is stable (so like 2/3 months after release)
[14:12] <spaceneedle> I had to use the b43-fwcutter method to install the Broadcom driver for my card  for Ubuntu 14.04.
[14:12] <tomreyn> wiebels: and you're welcome
[14:14] <tomreyn> Arceye: hmm, i'm not sure about the gui configuration, but vsftpd is not the right thing to start with if you are setting up an ftp server on linux for the first time
[14:14] <Arceye> tomreyn,  ok, it was just the first answer that came up on askubuntu when I searched for ftp server with virtual users
[14:15] <wiebels> tomreyn another thing; although I have a high IO the system does not use any memory on file copy, thats suspicious right?
[14:15] <resc_user_2602> ok varunendra is back
[14:16] <tomreyn> Arceye: i'd go with proftpd or pureftpd
[14:16] <resc_user_2602> im back
[14:16] <Arceye> tomreyn, going to read about them now :)
[14:16] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, on a different system now?
[14:16] <resc_user_2602> yes and i have the terminal open
[14:16] <resc_user_2602> on my laptop
[14:17] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, you mean the one that you got with Ctrl-Alt-F1? With your own login?
[14:17] <tomreyn> Arceye: vsftpd is the better option in the long term if you have a small user base and need a very specific configuration, though, i'd say.
[14:17] <resc_user_2602> yes its my laptop
[14:18] <resc_user_2602> im on the home computer now
[14:18] <trijntje_> what is the preferred graphical method to remote to another ubuntu machine?
[14:18] <tomreyn> wiebels: i would think that's an in kernel process, but i'm afraid i don't really know
[14:19] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, so how much space do you have left on your root partition (check the output of "df -h")?
[14:19] <tomreyn> wiebels: i.e. you may not get to see a "cp" process with a given larger RSZ if that's what you were looking for
[14:19] <max3> is it possible to make dolphin handle the desktop in gnome? ie when i double click a folder on the desktop dolphin launches instead of nautilus?
[14:19] <max3> *in gnome
[14:20] <resc_user_2602> how do i check that
[14:20] <Arceye> tomreyn, maybe 10 users ( just friends uploading/sharing game demo files )
[14:20] <resc_user_2602> 21g
[14:20] <bart717> varunendra: _or df -i /
[14:20] <resc_user_2602> size is 31g and left is 21
[14:20] <mauroslucios> estou tentando instalar aplicativos adobe no wine!
[14:20] <mauroslucios> alguém tem alguma dica?
[14:21] <resc_user_2602> 29%
[14:21] <wiebels> tomreyn well, I am seeing almost 0% mem usage
[14:21] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, and what is the permission on .Xauthority file? (output of "ls -l ./.Xauthority")
[14:22] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, does it show your user id in 3rd and 4th columns?
[14:24] <resc_user_2602> 4th
[14:26] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, it should show something like this - "-rw------- 1 varun varun 55 Feb 19 13:29 ./.Xauthority" -- so is your login id listed two times or just once?
[14:26] <webpanda> I m facing a huge temperature problem (+88°), does anybody how I can fix the prblem?
[14:26] <resc_user_2602> once
[14:26] <webpanda> ubuntu installed by default the right ati drivers
[14:27] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, what is your user id (exactly)?
[14:27] <resc_user_2602> once on the 4th line
[14:27] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, please answer the question I asked above.
[14:27] <bart717> webpanda: tweak voltage for CPU
[14:27] <resc_user_2602> kendall
[14:28] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, exactly "kendall" right? Nothing before or after that?
[14:28] <crabcoke> I've got a question
[14:29] <resc_user_2602> well im logged in as guest
[14:29] <crabcoke> Basically I want to run a Linux distribution (still undecided) and I want to install it to a USB. Not like liveboot, but like a proper install where whatever I do will be saved for next time
[14:29] <webpanda> how can I tweak it bart717 ?
[14:29] <resc_user_2602> -rw-r--r-- 1 guest
[14:29] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, you have to log in as kendall, were you not able to do that?
[14:30] <resc_user_2602> no that is what im having issues with
[14:30] <jozefk> crabcoke, persistence?
[14:30] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, I meant via "Ctrl-Alt-F1" at the login screen
[14:30] <resc_user_2602> ut trues to log me in but kicks me right back out
[14:30] <crabcoke> jozefk I haven't found a solution yet and I've been looking a while
[14:30] <bart717> webpanda: try reboot and go int BIOS setings
[14:31] <resc_user_2602> oh yes
[14:31] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, have you tried the "Ctrl-Alt-F1" keys yet? At the login screen?
[14:31] <jozefk> it is called persistence
[14:31] <resc_user_2602> i will now
[14:32] <resc_user_2602> kendall!kendall-ThinkPad-T420:~$
[14:33] <resc_user_2602> thats what i get after in enter my user name and password
[14:33] <varunendra> crabcoke, if you want a proper installation, do it. What is the problem?
[14:33] <billijoe> did anyone try running ubuntu 13 on vmware fusion 6.0.2 on mac-book-pro retina?
[14:33] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, that's what I want. Now please run the ls command again (ls -l ./.Xauthority)
[14:35] <resc_user_2602> 4th line down is my user name
[14:35] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, only once again?
[14:35] <resc_user_2602> sorry 1st and 4th
[14:35] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, can you show it to us here?
[14:36] <resc_user_2602> 1st one is adb setup.odt
[14:36] <automatik> can someone help me to find out if GTK+ is installed on my system?
[14:36] <webpanda> I ll try but I m quite sure that underclocking is not possible on my laptop bart717
[14:36] <resc_user_2602> how do i do that
[14:36] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, it should be only one long line.
[14:36] <varunendra> what is the command that you typed resc_user_2602
[14:37] <resc_user_2602> ls -l
[14:37] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, the complete command was "ls -l ./.Xauthority"
[14:38] <resc_user_2602> i got back no command
[14:38] <resc_user_2602> sorry i had one too many l
[14:38] <varunendra> :)
[14:39] <Juan> Hey, I installed ubuntu 12.04 and my dvd drive isn't working, it works on the live cd and other os
[14:40] <automatik> can someone help me determine if gtk+ is installed on my system?
[14:40] <resc_user_2602> now i got -rw-------- 1 kendall kendall 198 feb 23 05:10 ./.Xauthoruty
[14:41] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, that seems okay. Now please check "ls -l ./.ICEauthority"
[14:43] <resc_user_2602> -rw------- 1 kendall kendall 4158 feb 19 04:58./.iceAUTHORITY
[14:44] <coventry> I have a netbook with full disk encryption which I upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10 last night.  I can no longer get past the password challenge at initial boot.  Any suggestions?
[14:44] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, that one looks fine too. Is Ubuntu installed on a single partition? No separate /boot or /home partitions?
[14:45] <resc_user_2602> yes
[14:45] <resc_user_2602> im dual booted though
[14:46] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, and most of the space on it is empty. So I guess I can't be of further help on this. The usual suspects are clean it appears.
[14:46] <resc_user_2602> i have a 1tb harddrive
[14:46] <ibrahim> Hello, I'm trying to use a LiveCD on a MacBook Pro. 13.04 is supposed to work but my computer says it can't even read the disc.
[14:46] <shankey> does mesa drivers supports 3d hardware acceleration
[14:46] <resc_user_2602> im just going to wipe and redo it then
[14:46] <resc_user_2602> thank you
[14:46] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, you may try renaming your current .Xauthority and .ICEauthority files, so they get created fresh, and hope it works
[14:47] <resc_user_2602> thanks again
[14:47] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, would you like to try that now?
[14:48] <resc_user_2602> oh renaming
[14:48] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, yeah, perhaps the last shot
[14:48] <resc_user_2602> sure if your willing to walk me though it
[14:48] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, it would be just two simple commands -
[14:49] <resc_user_2602> k
[14:49] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, for Xauthority : "mv .Xauthority Old.Xauthority"
[14:49] <ibrahim> Does anybody know what version is easiest to use on a MacBook Pro? I got it working at some point with some version but I can't remember which one it was.
[14:49] <jqf> nice.
[14:50] <OerHeks> ibrahim, check the mactel pages https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages
[14:50] <resc_user_2602> command not found
[14:50] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, try loggin in after that. If it still fails, then also try : "mv .ICEauthority Old.ICEauthority"
[14:51] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, without quotes "mv...." ?
[14:51] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, it is short form of "move" (mv)
[14:52] <hoihe> What does it mean when there is no input line in the Terminal after an operation? I'm trying to Rsync my /home directory to /home/Storage
[14:52] <resc_user_2602> nope it wouldnt let me login
[14:52] <ibrahim> OerHeks, I have a version 9.1…does that mean it doesn't support any of the versions?
[14:53] <ni291187> hello
[14:53] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, try renaming the .ICEauthority also. Reboot if simple logoff/login doesn't work
[14:53] <ni291187> !list
[14:53] <ibrahim> MacBook pro version 9.1, that is
[14:53] <automatik> can someone help me out with some issues with a script I'm trying to run?
[14:54] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, if the commands were successful, you should have two "Old...." files in you Home directory now. Check "ls -l Old.*"
[14:54] <varunendra> !details | automatik
[14:54] <resc_user_2602> nope i tried both and neither worked
[14:55] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, check if you have two "Old.." files now (ls -l Old.*)
[14:55] <automatik> ok,.. I'm trying to run a program called 'balsa'
[14:55] <automatik> it requires one have gtk+ installed
[14:55] <automatik> the first thing i want to know is,.. is it actually installed
[14:56] <resc_user_2602> yes i see two file that say old
[14:56] <OerHeks> ibrahim, the wiki does not say so, i don't know as i have no apple machine
[14:57] <glitsj16> automatik: check if it is installed with: apt-cache policy balsa
[14:57] <resc_user_2602> im just going to redo it
[14:57] <resc_user_2602> lame
[14:57] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, try rebooting and retry login. If failed again, loginto the virtual tty again (Ctrl-Alt-F1), and check if the .Xauthority and .ICEauthority files were generated
[14:57] <dabiidii84> hi
[14:58] <dabiidii84> any one can help me?
[14:58] <resc_user_2602> ok
[14:58] <varunendra> resc_user_2602, by the way, did you try "Ctrl-Alt-F7" to get back to GUI?
[14:58] <dabiidii84> i want to instal ubunt in windows virtual but
[14:58] <automatik> glitsj16: ok
[14:59] <dabiidii84> any one?
[14:59] <dabiidii84> can any one help me please?
[14:59] <Tom1> i am getting permission denied error when mounting truecrypt file in ubuntu.
[14:59] <varunendra> dabiidii84, you didn't tell us the story after the "but.."
[14:59] <Tom1> varunendra: i am getting permission denied error when mounting truecrypt file in ubuntu.
[14:59] <dabiidii84> sorry i think no one was reading
[15:00] <dabiidii84> so lol the thing is when the instal begin dont leave the first step
[15:00] <hoihe> Sorry for repeating, but what does it mean in the terminal when there is no input line? I mean, the line with the cursor is blank. It happened after inputting my password after a longer operation rsync /home /media/Storage
[15:00] <dabiidii84> dont load any thing
[15:00] <varunendra> dabiidii84, just post the details of your problem. People will respond if they have an answer
[15:00] <varunendra> Tom1, was this truecrypt file created in Windows?
[15:01] <hoihe> Does it mean that the operation is "running"?
[15:01] <fhenning09> I have a question; Is anyone here familiar /w Ubuntu on a macbook?
[15:01] <Tom1> varunendra: no its was created under ubuntu only.
[15:01] <dabiidii84> :(
[15:01] <varunendra> hoihe, yes, the process is not complete yet - that's what it means
[15:01] <fhenning09> If so why will every button and function work with the exception of button 2 on the touchpad
[15:02] <hoihe> Ah, alright. Thanks, I was worried it was crashing or system hung up.
[15:03] <cypher-neo> hoihe, If you would like the rsync process to be verbose, to show that the process is running and what files are being transferred, you can (next time) use the command "rsync -izvrdop [source] [destination]"
[15:03] <varunendra> dabiidii84, which step the installation hangs on? The Purple screen, or after that?
[15:03] <hoihe> I will, thanks again.
[15:04] <dabiidii84> the purple
[15:04] <cypher-neo> hoihe, You should also read "man rsync" to determine which command switches are the ones you need. That command I showed you is the one I use. :)
[15:05] <davidb> exit
[15:05] <dabiidii84> e choose the lenguage and then just stay the screen purple with ubuntu 13.10 and the dots dont stop
[15:05] <hoihe> Alright
[15:06] <niuniu> good evening
[15:06] <dearcarr0t> good night !
[15:06] <compdoc> good morning
[15:07] <wabs> Morning Everyone
[15:07] <varunendra> dabiidii84, how much RAM have you allocated to the VM? And which version of Ubuntu are you trying to install?
[15:11] <dabiidii84> 1024 mb and thversion is 13.10
[15:13] <varunendra> dabiidii84, I think you get the language screen in the Advance boot menu only, where you also get the option to "Check disc for defects, Test Memory.." etc.
[15:15] <varunendra> dabiidii84, so was that the screen where you chose an option? ("Try" or "Install"?)
[15:16] <calvin1> trying out weechat.  nice.
[15:24] <automatik> glitsj16:  paste.debian.net/83599
[15:24] <automatik> i don't know what it means exactly
[15:27] <glitsj16> automatik: Installed: (none) .. means the package (i assume balsa) isn't installed .. the Candidate info shows you what package version is installable .. so if you want to install balsa, either use your regular add/remove software GUI like 'Software center' or use the terminal command: sudo apt-get install balsa
[15:28] <wonderworld> dabiidii84: are you using the 64bit or the 32bit iso? you need to create a 64bit vm, if you want to use the 64bit iso
[15:30] <varunendra> wonderworld, if they got the language selection screen, it means the architecture was right, else the machine won't even start loading the OS
[15:30] <wonderworld> it starts grub. it hangs after trying to boot the kernel. you will see language selection with the wrong architecture
[15:31] <varunendra> wonderworld, pretty sure you won't it's the screen AFTER syslinux (or isolinux) has done its job. There is no Grub booting at all in the live session.
[15:32] <wonderworld> ok i see. i used to have exactly the same problem with a 64bit vm. was no isolinux though
[15:32] <Fogan136> bonjour
[15:33] <varunendra> wonderworld, that would be the case if you try to boot a preinstalled virtual disk in a VM with wrong architecture.
[15:34] <wonderworld> yes, that was my situation
[15:34] <varunendra> wonderworld, so.. just testing or do you actually run your Ubuntu only in VMs :D
[15:35] <wonderworld> no it was actually a debian vm server, i moved from one machine to another
[15:36] <wonderworld> didn't work on the new machine, becuase the CPU didn't have vt-x extensions.
[15:37] <wonderworld> host machine is 64bit. host os is64 bit but it could run 32bit vms only.
[15:37] <varunendra> wonderworld, that sometimes sucks. I once wasted about a whole day creating a Remastersys image of a 64 bit installation, then created a Live USB with it. Later I realized it was useless on most of the computers I had to use it on, because they were 32 bit :(
[15:38] <varunendra> since then, I always remember to use 32 bit iso if I'm intending to create a live USB with it.
[15:39] <wonderworld> yes, i reinstalled the whole machine, because i thought it would be more work to port it somehow :(
[15:39] <varunendra> definitely :)
[15:41] <MastermindL> hi
[15:42] <varunendra> Hi MastermindL
[15:42] <MastermindL> can you help me with one thing? I'm super new at ubuntu
[15:42] <virtuaposta> MastermindL, ask please
[15:42] <varunendra> !ask | MastermindL
[15:44] <MastermindL> I'm using ubuntu on a USB stick, and I am trying to access a HDD, I had no problem at first, I could mount it then I wanted to format it to FAT and unmounted it and did that, but now it doesn't appear in the devices thing, I can't find it anywhere anymore
[15:45] <MastermindL> after unmounting and formatting it, it has banished
[15:46] <varunendra> MastermindL, is it a Live USB or a full install?
[15:47] <MastermindL> live usb
[15:47] <moondoggy> Can someone recommend a printer that will work on Ubuntu 13.04?
[15:47] <varunendra> MastermindL, please give us the pastebin link of the output of "parted -l"
[15:48] <moondoggy> And/or 12.04?
[15:49] <virtuaposta> MastermindL, also include fdisk -l output in pastebin that varunendra asked for
[15:49] <MastermindL> how do you get to the command line? that was also another question I had lol
[15:49] <OerHeks> moondoggy, see openprinting  database or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters
[15:50] <virtuaposta> MastermindL, search / open terminal or Alt+F2 type terminal and enter :D lol
[15:50] <varunendra> moondoggy, I have used Samsung SCX4300, it's an MFP but probably outdated. Works on both 12.04 and 13.10 though
[15:50] <G__81> Hi. I see reports stating that Ubuntu Unity 8 would be QML based so does that mean all default applications (gnome-terminal, Nautlius etc) would be changed to Konsole, dolphin and so on ?
[15:50] <varunendra> MastermindL, Ctrl-Alt-T
[15:50] <geirha> With Alt-F2 you'd run x-terminal-emulator, not terminal
[15:51] <virtuaposta> geirha, thanks for corrections, yeah it should be "gnome-terminal" as i suspect that MastermindL must be using desktop edition :)
[15:51] <moondoggy> Thanks, OerHeks and varunendra .
[15:51] <OerHeks> !14.04| G__81
[15:52] <varunendra> geirha, virtuaposta it is "gnome-terminal" in the Alt-F2 command box
[15:52] <virtuaposta> varunendra, ^^
[15:52] <varunendra> :D
[15:52] <geirha> varunendra: Yes, though Alt+F2 -> "x-terminal-emulator" will work in "all" the desktop environments
[15:52] <G__81> OerHeks: i have gone through that  but post 14.04 whats the take ?
[15:53] <MastermindL> nothing happens when I type "parted -l" or "fdisk -l"
[15:53] <varunendra> yup, that's true (and a life saver actually)
[15:53] <varunendra> MastermindL, both of them need "sudo"
[15:54] <virtuaposta> MastermindL, is at hunt today varunendra and geirha :D lol
[15:54] <varunendra> MastermindL, sorry I missed that earlier. The commands would be : "sudo parted -l" and "sudo fdisk -l"
[15:55] <virtuaposta> MastermindL, please run the command with sudo as varunendra suggested
[15:55] <MastermindL> ok ok there's something here, I can see the drive here, let me figure out how to copy this and put it on pastebin since the computer doesn't have access to the internet by itself
[15:56] <moondoggy> OerHeks: Any thoughts on a newer Samsung?  The 1520 is supposed to work on 12.04 and 13.04, but it's no longer available.
[15:56] <virtuaposta> moondoggy, supposed to work means? it's not getting detected kind of?
[15:57] <moondoggy> I haven't tried.  I need to order one ASAP, and I have had trouble returning items because they don't work on Linux.
[15:57] <lvleph> can someone give me a link or something that tells me how to switch two key location using xkb?
[15:57] <moondoggy> Amazon/whoever want you to use Windows.
[15:58] <virtuaposta> no as such restrictions observed from my end till date... can you explain more about the issue moondoggy?
[15:58] <bekks> moondoggy: Works fine on Linux here.
[15:59] <moondoggy> bekks: Whick printer works?
[16:00] <lvleph> I have never had any issues with printers on linux. moondoggy
[16:00] <bekks> moondoggy: I was referring to "Amazon/whoever want you to use Windows".
[16:00] <lvleph> And my last Laser printer was a Samsung SCX something
[16:00] <lvleph> Samsung actually tends to provide drivers for linux
[16:01] <deborgia> yep..
[16:01] <moondoggy> Oh, gotcha, bekks.
[16:01] <moondoggy> Wow, Amazon actually says that the 2165W works on linux.  I didn't think they'd heard of linux.
[16:01] <moondoggy> Thanks, friends.
[16:02] <white-bird88> thats fine
[16:02] <lvleph> Amazon using a linux kernel in the Kindle.
[16:02] <varunendra> moondoggy, have you also tried ThinkPenguin? https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/catalog
[16:02] <white-bird88> @lvleph Kindle?
[16:02] <white-bird88> ereader or tablet?
[16:03] <lvleph> white-bird88, I think both. I could be wrong.
[16:03] <lvleph> It would make more sense on the tablet though.
[16:03] <MastermindL> this is a nightmare, it seems it only recognizes two USB ports and I need one for the USB stick and the other for the mouse, can't even use a keyboard, so I see no way to copy that file out of the computer
[16:03] <white-bird88> yes.. but kernel is essential to both devices though!
[16:04] <crabboke> I accidentally clicked "kill" on one of the program in the taskbar and now desktop items and bg have dissapeared
[16:04] <crabboke> how do I get them back?
[16:04] <lvleph> Yep, the Kindle Fire is based on Android apparently.
[16:04] <lvleph> according to this anyway http://www.pocketables.com/2012/05/with-the-linux-30-kernel-ice-cream-sandwich-is-finally-ready-for-the-kindle-fire.html
[16:04] <varunendra> MastermindL, how many ports does this system have?
[16:05] <lvleph> and this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindle_fire
[16:05] <virtuaposta> crabboke, considering you referring top taskbar/panel, run this in terminal "sudo killall unity-panel-service"
[16:05] <white-bird88> yes
[16:06] <lvleph> yep white-bird88 even the paperwhite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Kindle
[16:07] <MastermindL> it has 12 but ubuntu only seems to recognize the two frontal ones, on the other hand when I go to the bios or something it recognizes them all and I can use computer and mouse no problem
[16:07] <lvleph> Can someone give me a link or something that tells me how to switch two key location using xkb?
[16:07] <white-bird88> see.. thats the power of linux. :D
[16:07] <moondoggy> varunendra: I did try that page, but they only list inkjets right now.
[16:08] <varunendra> MastermindL, is "Legacy USB" support enabled in the BIOS? Although I don't understand why it won't recognize in normal mode.
[16:08] <lvleph> moondoggy, Samsung laser jets definitely work. Atleast the SCX series
[16:09] <moondoggy> Thanks, lvleph, all.
[16:10] <lvleph> I was just about to send him a link too
[16:10] <lvleph> oh well
[16:10] <MastermindL> I don't know, the motherboard is new though
[16:10] <lvleph> I found 40 laser jets by Samsung that work
[16:10] <varunendra> MastermindL, how many of these are USB 2 ?
[16:11] <varunendra> lvleph, too late now :P
[16:11] <MastermindL> hmmm most of them are 2
[16:11] <MastermindL> it seems the ones tht work are usb 3
[16:12] <lvleph> varunendra, the latest Kernels support USB 3
[16:12] <varunendra> MastermindL, and the output of "lsusb" shows how many "hubs" ?
[16:12] <lvleph> since  2.6.31 in fact
[16:12] <varunendra> lvleph, even 2.6 supports them I think, perhaps that...
[16:12] <varunendra> yup :P
[16:13] <MastermindL> omg, I found another one that works, the usb 3 work apparently
[16:13] <lvleph> Well then that is great
[16:13] <varunendra> MastermindL, 12 can be confusing :)
[16:13] <lvleph> Of all the ones that you want working USB 3 is the one
[16:13] <MastermindL> yeah
[16:13] <MastermindL> ok but it's weird
[16:13] <TJ-> MastermindL: What's the make/model of the motherboard?
[16:14] <lvleph> I am guessing gigabit
[16:14] <MastermindL> gigabyte
[16:14] <lvleph> boom!
[16:14] <MastermindL> yes
[16:14] <MastermindL> how did you know?
[16:14] <lvleph> they make crazy mbs
[16:14] <TJ-> MastermindL: That is no help, tell us the exact model
[16:14] <MastermindL> 990XA-UD3
[16:14] <varunendra> MastermindL, check "lsusb". Sometimes even though it is a USB3 port, it internally connects the device to a USB 2 hub, and that "internal switching" causes a lot of problems, at least delays
[16:15] <TJ-> MastermindL: What CPU is installed?
[16:15] <lvleph> Can someone give me a link or something that tells me how to switch two key location using xkb?
[16:15] <varunendra> lvleph, "they make crazy mbs" -- lol !!
[16:15] <MastermindL> FX6300
[16:16] <TJ-> MastermindL: Your issue a well-known one for AMD-based systems. The Input/Output devices have their own Memory Management Unit (IOMMU).
[16:16] <sasa_> can install on xubuntu this game: http://www.playdeb.net/install/vdrift ?
[16:16] <TJ-> MastermindL: Many buggy BIOS/Firmware implementations cause problems especially for memory-mapped built-in devices
[16:17] <varunendra> TJ-, certanily not ALL AMD based systems! I love the Asus boards :D
[16:17] <MastermindL> well that sucks, anyway that's the thing: http://pastebin.com/tZ4vQiBA
[16:18] <TJ-> MastermindL: There are two things you need to do: 1) Enter BIOS and ensure that "IOMMU" option is *disabled*  2) Add to the kernel's command-line the option "iommu=soft"
[16:18] <MastermindL> that 2064MB HDD is the one that it can't recognize
[16:18] <TJ-> MastermindL:  " sudo sed -i  's/\(GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=".*\)\("\)/\1 iommu=soft\2/' /etc/default/grub && sudo update-grub"
[16:19] <TJ-> varunendra: Those with IOMMUs suffer quite alot because the firmwares are often incorrectly declaring to the kernel the memory-mappings
[16:20] <varunendra> TJ-, I guess I'm lucky enough to not having encountered yet :)
[16:21] <varunendra> MastermindL, do you have any important data to rescue on that disk?
[16:21] <MastermindL> no, actually I want to use that disk to rescue data from the other disk
[16:21] <varunendra> MastermindL, try Gparted to recreate a fresh partition table, then partition(s)
[16:22] <TJ-> MastermindL: I'd bet the reason the disk drive isn't reconised is also due to the IOMMU issue, since the controller likely can't be addressed. This issue can also prevent network interfaces working correctly.
[16:22] <TJ-> s/reconised/recognised/
[16:22] <L0UDmouth> TJ-: I know
[16:23] <L0UDmouth> TJ-: You can't do that
[16:23] <MastermindL> I see, so if I disable it on the bios maybe it's fixed?
[16:24] <MastermindL> And what is gparted?
[16:24] <varunendra> MastermindL, Alt-F2 > type "Gparted". It'll come up itself :)
[16:25] <TJ-> MastermindL: As I said, do those 2 steps, and if the issue is IOMMU then all the devices will work correctly
[16:25] <MastermindL> ok I had to use sudo, I am in this gparted thing and it seems I can see that device here
[16:25] <varunendra> MastermindL, it is Graphical frontend to the "parted" program - a disk partitioning tool. But try what TJ- suggested first. I'd be curious to see the result :)
[16:26] <MastermindL> ok
[16:28] <MastermindL> "IOMMU controller" is already disabled
[16:28] <varunendra> sounds like a wise decision by Gigabyte :P
[16:29] <MastermindL> hmmm I just noticed something, here it says "onchip sata port 4/5 type" is set as IDE, that HDD is on the port 4, would that be a problem?
[16:30] <varunendra> MastermindL, are all those disks connected by yourself? Sometimes a pair of ports are meant to be only used for raid configuration, usually differently coloured
[16:30] <mustmodify> Using ubuntu server, when I go to SSH, some domains I frequently use tab-complete, others do not. Why?
[16:30] <MastermindL> yes, I think this raid think is deactivated
[16:30] <varunendra> MastermindL, that shouldn't be a problem
[16:30] <MastermindL> ok
[16:31] <varunendra> MastermindL, but you should change it to SATA or AHCI mode to get the full performance
[16:31] <TJ-> MastermindL: Good, so ensure you have "iommu=soft" on the kernel command line
[16:34] <MastermindL> okay so I type: " sudo sed -i  's/\(GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=".*\)\("\)/\1 iommu=soft\2/' /etc/default/grub && sudo update-grub"
[16:34] <TJ-> MastermindL: Yes, that will change the default boot options to include the soft IOMMU
[16:39] <MastermindL> it doesn't do anything, it says "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
[16:40] <TJ-> MastermindL: Where are you doing it from? The command assumes a boot from installed system. Are you using a Live ISO image?
[16:40] <MastermindL> yes
[16:40] <TJ-> MastermindL: Ahh, in which case, as the Live ISO starts you need to edit it's boot options for the kernel to add "iommu=soft" manually.
[16:41] <TJ-> MastermindL: I came in late; didn't realise you were still in the installer phase.
[16:41] <shubhamjain> I am facing a stange problem. Ever since I updated to 13.10,embedded videos won't run. They are just a blank space saying I need flash 11.1 or above and I am pretty sure I am running the latest.
[16:42] <MastermindL> ok hmmm... so where would that be?
[16:44] <bekks> shubhamjain: So which flash version do you run?
[16:44] <bekks> shubhamjain: And which browser do you use?
[16:44] <mustmodify> Using ubuntu server, when I go to SSH, some domains I frequently use tab-complete, others do not. Why?
[16:44] <whoever_> hi all, does anyone know of and ide that will allow me a single code base  for cross platfom coding
[16:45] <shubhamjain> bekks: chromium. I guess the flash should have updated itself when I upgraded, but even then I installed using "alien" and the latest flash rpm package.
[16:45] <mustmodify> whoever_: hunh?
[16:46] <mustmodify> whoever_: oh, not your codebase. The IDEs.
[16:46] <mustmodify> There are some good java IDEs.
[16:46] <MastermindL> varunendra, do you think I'd be able to access the disk again doing something from that gparted?
[16:46] <mustmodify> they're cross-platform.
[16:46] <mustmodify> eclipse. Not my favorite but lots of people like it.
[16:46] <MastermindL> like formatting it again in another format
[16:46] <bekks> shubhamjain: Go into the plugin settings of chromium and check which adobe flash version is being used.
[16:47] <shubhamjain> bekks: Adobe Flash Player - Version: 11.2
[16:47] <shubhamjain> bekks: "To view this page ensure that Adobe Flash Player version 11.1.0 or greater is installed." Is what the embedded videos say.
[16:48] <varunendra> MastermindL, if what TJ- mentioned can be the reason, then I'm not sure, so I think you should try his suggestion first. That is - try the parameter on live session
[16:48] <mustmodify> But if you're looking for IDEs that work with multiple OSes, I'm not sure having a single code-base is a good requirement.
[16:48] <TJ-> MastermindL: When the Live ISO starts, and you have the options "Install" and "Try", you can highlight one or the other and then there is a key-press for 'advanced' options (or editing command line) I forget which, and that allows adding options to the kernel command line
[16:49] <bekks> shubhamjain: Can you provide a screenshot of that section of chromium?
[16:49] <MastermindL> ok
[16:49] <TJ-> MastermindL: It's a long time since I've used the live ISOs so they've changed a bit
[16:49] <mustmodify> whoever_: consider perenial favorites like sublime, or for more advanced users, vim.
[16:49] <varunendra> MastermindL, how to add your option to boot line : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[16:49] <helpmeNOW> please help i have ust installed but when i try to update my ubuntu 13.10 i get  " E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
[16:49] <TJ-> MastermindL: Maybe someone else is more familiar and can give you better directions :)
[16:50] <chairman_meow> hello
[16:50] <chairman_meow>  how do I install mysql via aptget?
[16:51] <bekks> chairman_meow: sudo apt-get install ...?
[16:51] <MastermindL> so I just add "IOMMU=soft"?
[16:51] <helpmeNOW> ?
[16:51] <varunendra> TJ-, MastermindL , it is as simple as pressing 'Any' key during the splash screen > press F6 (or any other listed key at the bottom) > press Esc > type your option > Press Ctrl-X
[16:51] <hoihe> Ahoy! Does anyone know how to fix no sound in Firefox flash-based plugins? In particular, Youtube
[16:51] <varunendra> MastermindL, I think the case of the letters matter, so keep them all small letters
[16:51] <whoever_> mustmodify: yes the code base, ie same code, for win, lin, mac
[16:51] <helpmeNOW>  when i try to update my ubuntu 13.10 i get  " E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
[16:52] <TJ-> varunendra: Thanks :)
[16:52] <whoever_> mustmodify: i can do it with java but when i get into  things that are more os dependent like the file system, java becomes a head ache
[16:52] <varunendra> TJ-, I stole it from here sometime ago : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions :p
[16:52] <joshua> hello room
[16:53] <DaveVE3> what are the permissions on  /var/lib/apt/lists/
[16:53] <helpmeNOW> HELP PLEASE
[16:53] <Meerkat> hey. I wanna add a pgp key server to seahorse ( hkp://pgp.mit.edu:11371 ) but seahorse won't let me click OK to add it. The button is, uh, blued out.
[16:53] <DaveVE3> hey helpmeNOW      /var/lib/apt/lists/
[16:53] <Guest91381> how do i get my nick to stay joshua
[16:54] <MastermindL> I added iommu=soft but still the HDD does not appear in devices
[16:54] <bekks> helpmeNOW: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:54] <varunendra> TJ-, MastermindL , sorry it is actually "Enter" key, not "Ctrl-X" in the last
[16:54] <DaveVE3> hey helpmeNOW ... what are the permissions on  /var/lib/apt/lists/
[16:54] <TJ-> MastermindL: How about the USB 2 ports?
[16:54] <varunendra> MastermindL, then go for Gparted. There is nothing to save on the disk anyway ;)
 i am new to ubuntu tell me how to find it please
[16:55] <MastermindL> they still don't work...
[16:55] <DaveVE3> do you know how to use terminal and su to root?
[16:55] <TJ-> Meerkat: I think you need to omit the protocol (hkp://) and just put the hostname
[16:55] <tedd_> hi running LXLE and some of the conkys won't go to transparent help?
[16:55] <mustmodify> whoever_: please go over your requirements with me.
[16:55] <varunendra> MastermindL, just curious - have you checked "lsusb"?
[16:55] <TJ-> MastermindL: In a terminal what does this show: "cat /proc/cmdline"
[16:55] <Seveas> Meerkat: just use the hostname, not the url
 yes tell what to type in the terminal and i will follow you
[16:56] <DaveVE3> ls -l  /var/lib/apt/lists/
[16:57] <helpmeNOW>  i get " total 99248 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  7461118 oct.  17 00:50 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_saucy_main_binary-i386_Packages -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  3821579 oct.  16 20:41 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_saucy_main_i18n_Translation-en -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   664100 oct.  17 00:50 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_saucy_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   404348 oct.  15 18:46 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_di
[16:57] <Guest91381> can some one help me? i have a question where do u learn more about linux command line stuff
[16:57] <Meerkat> TJ-, Seveas I just tried "pgp.mit.edu:11371" as well as "pgp.mit.edu". Neither are addable.
[16:57] <Seveas> helpmeNOW: use a pastebin.
[16:57] <TJ-> Meerkat: Strange, I recall adding hosts that way, let me try here
[16:57] <MastermindL> I did it now, what should I see?
[16:58] <tedd_> need help plz
[16:58] <cloneG> hello I installed a LDAP server on ubuntu following this tutorial: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-install-and-configure-a-basic-ldap-server-on-an-ubuntu-12-04-vps the point is that now I want to use samba4 instead to build a DC how do I remove LDAP Server without damaging samba4 embedded LDAP?
[16:58] <varunendra> MastermindL, what did you do? "cat /proc/cmdline" ?
[16:58] <glitsj16> Meerkat: you have 2 boxes, one for the hostname, one for the port #
[16:58] <Seveas> Meerkat: hmm, just using pgp.mit.edu and filling in the port in the textentry next to it works for me. Make sure to pick http keyserver
[16:58] <helpmeNOW> total 99248 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  7461118 oct.  17 00:50 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_saucy_main_binary-i386_Packages -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  3821579 oct.  16 20:41 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_saucy_main_i18n_Translation-en -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   664100 oct.  17 00:50 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_saucy_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   404348 oct.  15 18:46 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_saucy
[16:58] <Guest91381> whats the cat command do?
[16:59] <Seveas> helpmeNOW: use a bloody pastebin!
[16:59] <MastermindL> I think I messed up the HDD somehow when I formatted it, on the gparted when I select it it's all gray and it says "unallocated"
[16:59] <tedd_> running LXLE and can't get some cony theams  to run in transparent
[16:59] <Seveas> Guest91381: it meows.
[16:59] <MastermindL> partition unallocated, file system unallocated
[16:59] <Meerkat> glitsj16, I have "key server type" with only one option, custom. And then the field for the "host".
[16:59] <TJ-> Meerkat: in the Add dialog do you see 3 input fields: "Key Server Type" (multiple-choice), "Host" and ":" (port) - text boxes?
[16:59] <varunendra> MastermindL, that's normal when something is wrong with a partition/drive
[16:59] <Guest91381> lol
[17:00] <Seveas> Meerkat: which Ubuntu version, which seahorse version?
[17:00] <Meerkat> TJ-, only key server type and host. Seahorse 3.8.2 Xubuntu 13.10.
[17:00] <Seveas> hmm, I have the same, odd
[17:00] <TJ-> MastermindL: We need you to show us what it says? But do you see in it "iommu=soft" - if not, then you didn't correctly add that option to the boot command line
[17:00] <MastermindL> and is there a button to fix it? ^
[17:00] <tedd_> err conky themes
[17:00] <cloneG> Hello?
[17:00] <varunendra> MastermindL, in "Device" menu, choose to create a partition table. Make SUPER SURE that you have selected the correct disk, else you know now what may happen :P
[17:00] <DaveVE3> hey helpmeNOW
[17:00] <whoever_> mustmodify: should i pm it to you or do it in here
[17:00] <DaveVE3> wanna provate chat?
[17:00] <TJ-> Meerkat: OK, for type you don't see "HTTP Key Server" as an option?
  sorry i dont know how
[17:01] <cloneG> I installed a LDAP server on ubuntu following this tutorial: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-install-and-configure-a-basic-ldap-server-on-an-ubuntu-12-04-vps the point is that now I want to use samba4 instead to build a DC how do I remove LDAP Server without damaging samba4 embedded LDAP?
[17:01] <cloneG> is it safe?
[17:01] <Seveas> !repeatg | cloneG
[17:01] <helpmeNOW> yes Dav
[17:01] <mustmodify> whoever_: when you say "the code base" do you mean the editor's code?
[17:01] <cloneG> pipe¿?
[17:01] <mustmodify> whoever_: or your code?
[17:01] <adal> hi, is there a state of the art backup tool available for linux? basically I only need timed backups, archives (ie keep last x versions), 1:1 backups, synchronization, backups of changed files & folders only
[17:02] <cloneG> Seveas could you clarify?
[17:02] <whoever_> mustmodify: i mean my code
[17:02] <TJ-> adal: "rsync"
[17:02] <MastermindL> I did create a partition but it shows unallocated again
[17:02] <cloneG> Seveas oh its me the one repeating!
[17:02] <cloneG> Seveas sorry
[17:02] <MastermindL> a partition table, sorry
  please tell me what to do can you help me in facebook please ??
[17:03] <varunendra> MastermindL, now can you Right-click in the allocated space > Create partition ?
[17:03] <DaveVE3> you should see a chat window
[17:03] <varunendra> MastermindL, *unallocated space
[17:03] <Seveas> !repeat | cloneG
[17:03] <Seveas> cloneG: well, I was trying to make the bot tell you not to repeat your question
[17:03] <Seveas> but the bot is dead
[17:04] <cloneG> lol
[17:04] <yash069> lol
[17:04] <adal> thanks TJ-
[17:04] <adal> will try that
[17:05] <Seveas> !bot
[17:05] <varunendra> MastermindL, did you create a single FAT partition occupying the full space earlier?
[17:05] <cloneG> Seveas still waiting for the solving -threats bot...do you have any?
[17:05] <DaveVE3> or right click on my name and open a dialog window
[17:05] <DaveVE3> I don't use facebook
[17:05] <Seveas> oh, hella lag...
[17:05] <MastermindL> varunendra, it stil doesn't let me, it says it has no patition table even after I create it, and I think I did that, yeah
[17:06] <Meerkat> TJ-, no, "custom" is the only option in that drop down box. This is what I see: http://i.imgur.com/4XumyV8.jpg
[17:06] <MastermindL> partition table: unrecognized
[17:08] <varunendra> MastermindL, did it apply the change right away? I don't remember if it does with partition table or not. For partition creation, it needs to "Apply" the changes first.
[17:08] <TJ-> Meerkat: I wonder if seahorse expects "/usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon" to be running? Check the process list to see if it is there
[17:09] <MastermindL> I click apply and it does something, the strange thing is the other HDD seems to make some noise when I do, but the one I am applying it to doesn't
[17:09] <TJ-> MastermindL: Are you sure you've got the correct disk selected ?
[17:10] <varunendra> MastermindL, that's normal. After each change, it probes all the available disks again to be sure it is addressing them correctly.
[17:10] <MastermindL> yes I'm sure...
[17:10] <cloneG> nobody?
[17:10] <MastermindL> and ok
[17:10] <chronic> Hi, how can I resolve unmet dependencies
[17:10] <mguy> Where should I set TERM=xterm-256color in 12.04?
[17:10] <Seveas> chronic: by meeting them :)
[17:10] <MastermindL> so the HDD is destroyed? it worked well just a couple of hours ago
[17:11] <varunendra> MastermindL, others make 'More' noise because they do have partitions on them. The current one doesn't have much to be tested.
[17:11] <Seveas> chronic: generally by disabling broken PPA's you enabled and trying to undo the damage they did to your system.
[17:11] <MastermindL> ok ok
[17:11] <varunendra> MastermindL, did it ask you which kind of partition table to create? (default is msdos)
[17:12] <TJ-> MastermindL: in a terminal do "sudo apt-get install smartmontools" then check the disk health with "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdX" where X is the correct drive letter
[17:12] <MastermindL> yes I set msdos
[17:12] <whoever_> mustmodify: did i lose you ?
[17:12] <chronic> Seveas : there is nothing related to PPA listed in sources.list file
[17:12] <Seveas> chronic: how about sources.list.d?
[17:13] <varunendra> MastermindL, which version of Ubuntu is it?
[17:13] <Seveas> !pm | Guest91381
[17:13] <MastermindL> 12.04 LTS
[17:14] <chronic> Seveas : http://pastebin.com/wrEbwxYm
[17:14] <MastermindL> I can't install that, it doesn't have internet
[17:14] <Guest91381> how do i upgrade to 13.10
[17:14] <DaveVE3> hey helpmeNOW
[17:14] <Seveas> chronic: well there you go. Remove those, uninstall things you installed from PPAs and try again
[17:14] <Seveas> !upgrade | Guest91381
[17:14] <DaveVE3> Have I resolved your problem?
[17:15] <DaveVE3> hey helpmeNOW   Have I resolved your problem?
[17:15] <chronic> Seveas : I dont have much idea about which one do I need to remove ?
[17:15] <varunendra> MastermindL, does the machine not have an internet connection or just that Ubuntu is unable to use it?
[17:16] <MastermindL> I didn't try
[17:16] <Seveas> chronic: well, let's start with what you were trying to install What was the command you ran and pastebin the full output
[17:17] <varunendra> MastermindL, do you wish to try or install the program otherwise to test the disk?
[17:17] <frankenmint> hello everyone
[17:17] <helpmeNOW>  <DaveVE3> yes thanks
[17:18] <frankenmint> how come I cannot set my machine to a static ip
[17:18] <hillary_> my locahost server now showing You don't have permission to access / on this server: ubuntu 12.04
[17:18] <frankenmint> all options are greyed out in network connections
[17:18] <chronic> Seveas : http://pastebin.com/PS5kjxqn
[17:18] <hillary_> i have been using well untill now
[17:19] <hillary_> i might have done something wrong
[17:19] <hillary_> please help
[17:19] <Seveas> chronic: apt-cache policy kdelibs5-dev libkde3support4
[17:19] <Seveas> (and pastebin output)
[17:19] <Ottetal> øapiosjfd
[17:19] <MastermindL> yeah I will try, I'm trying to see if I can internet
[17:20] <Seveas> Ottetal: nice password. You may want to change it :)
[17:20] <petzup> i have problem with hibernate ubuntu 13.10
[17:20] <petzup> any solution around that?
[17:20] <hillary_> Apache/2.2.22 (Ubuntu) Server at localhost Port 80
[17:20] <varunendra> MastermindL, is it a wired connection or wireless?
[17:20] <chronic> Seveas : http://pastebin.com/2Sp59iGD
[17:22] <petzup> get stuck on s2disk snapshoting
[17:22] <frankenmint> how come ubuntu wont let me set my IP address to static?
[17:22] <hillary_> Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Apache/2.2.22 (Ubuntu) Server at localhost Port 80
[17:23] <hillary_> that is the message i get when i go to localhost in the browser
[17:23] <Meerkat> TJ-, gnome-keyring-daemon was disabled from startup and not running. I enabled all those entries and restarted computer just in case. I still cannot add key servers, but a bunch of trusted certificates showed up in Seahorse.
[17:23] <MastermindL> ok installing
[17:25] <MastermindL> it says something about postfix configuration, what should I do here, I can't even click anything?
[17:25] <brasileiro> hi, i'm trying to connect an external hdd but i'm getting from dmesg the following message: "[40974.506125] usb 3-2: device descriptor read/all, error -71" followed by "[40974.506160] hub 3-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2" any ideas on how can I fix it?
[17:26] <Seveas> chronic: as I expected, you have some things installed from a PPA you've since disabled.
[17:26] <TJ-> Meerkat: Time to search the bug tracker I think!
[17:27] <chronic> Seveas : Which and How to remove those ?
[17:27] <Seveas> chronic: or even from newer Ubuntu releases than the precise you have. It's probably easiest to upgrade to 13.10 ig that throws no dependency errors. Otherwse you'll have to manually downgrade a load of packages, which is also tricky.
[17:27] <Seveas> chronic: but you basically messed up your system too much for me to want to touch it further.
[17:28] <varunendra> MastermindL, I've no experience with this tool, so can't suggest anything. Maybe TJ- can
[17:28] <MastermindL> TJ-, the command doesn't work, I don't think it installed it right, the terminal went into a screen that says "postfix configuration"
[17:28] <chronic> Seveas, is there any other way to upgrade the system other that from live usb ?
[17:28] <MastermindL> but I can't type o click anything
[17:29] <Seveas> !upgrade | chronic
[17:29] <MastermindL> ok thanks for all the help anyway varunendra
[17:29] <TJ-> MastermindL: That's the debian installer. You can navigate the input fields using TAB and press Enter to move on
[17:29] <varunendra> MastermindL, did that message appear during installation?
[17:30] <TJ-> MastermindL: Generally you should select the "local server" option
[17:30] <hillary_> any help?
[17:30] <MastermindL> oh
[17:32] <MastermindL> TJ-, pastebin.com/rxvy0LtS
[17:33] <MastermindL> my HDD is old or something :(
[17:33] <joshua__> whats up ppl
[17:34] <roadrunner> GUYS IS THERE ANY PROGRAMME ALTERNATİVE TO ADOBE DREAMWEAVER IN UBUNTU
[17:34] <roadrunner> ...
[17:34] <roadrunner> ...
[17:34] <roadrunner> ...
[17:34] <roadrunner> ...
[17:34] <roadrunner> ...
[17:35] <MastermindL> What do you think, TJ-?
[17:35] <Seveas> hillary_: check the apache logs, they should give you a clue.
[17:35] <Seveas> joshua__: the sky.
[17:35] <Seveas> roadrunner: f. off
[17:36] <Seveas> flooding like that is not appreciated at all.
[17:36] <hillary_> thanks Seveas i have gone there
[17:36] <roadrunner> ....
[17:36] <TJ-> MastermindL: "SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED"
[17:36] <roadrunner> ....
[17:36] <roadrunner> ....
[17:36] <roadrunner> ....
[17:36] <roadrunner> ....
[17:36] <roadrunner> ....
[17:36] <roadrunner> ....
[17:36] <hillary_> sudo chown -R $USER:$USER /var/www/folder-name sudo chmod -R 755 /var/www
[17:36] <roadrunner> GUYS IS THERE ANY PROGRAMME ALTERNATİVE TO ADOBE DREAMWEAVER IN UBUNTU
[17:36] <roadrunner> ...
[17:36] <roadrunner> ...
[17:36] <roadrunner> ...
[17:36] <TJ-> roadrunner: stop that
[17:36] <roadrunner> ...
[17:37] <roadrunner> ...
[17:37] <Seveas> !ops | roadrunner needs a spanking
[17:37] <joshua__> jeez whats with all the flooding
[17:37] <roadrunner> WHY THIS CHANNEL CREATED FOR?
[17:37] <MastermindL> so why do you think it doesn't work? :(
[17:37] <roadrunner> TO SWEAR TO EACH ONE OR HELP?
[17:38] <UltimateNate> roadrunner, Get out
[17:38] <Seveas> roadrunner: stop shouting in all caps, stop flooding. And go away.
[17:39] <roadrunner> FCUKKK YOUR CHANNEL
[17:39] <TJ-> MastermindL: What in particular isn't working? I'm not following the channel constantly
[17:39] <roadrunner> THIS CHANNEL IS COLLECT OF BULSHIT
[17:39] <MastermindL> Sorry, why do you think I can't create a partition table on it?
[17:40] <Seveas> Cydrobolt: stop that.
[17:40] <roadrunner> I ONLY ASKED A QUESTION IF YOU DONT KNOW ANSWER THEN DONT ANSWER
[17:40] <Seveas> !ops | get rid of roadrunner  please
[17:40] <roadrunner> IS THERE ALTERNATIVE ADOBE DREAMWEAVER PROGRAMME IN UBUNTU
[17:40] <TJ-> MastermindL: You're using the GUI tool? I'd switch to the command-line so there's more information available
[17:40] <MastermindL> yes, ok...
[17:40] <brasileiro> hi, i'm trying to connect an external hdd but i'm getting from dmesg the following message: "[40974.506125] usb 3-2: device descriptor read/all, error -71" followed by "[40974.506160] hub 3-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2" any ideas on how can I fix it?
[17:40] <TJ-> !hi | roadrunner
[17:41] <Wobbo> I use 13.10 64 bit. Wine crashes. I only get a few seconds the see the configuration. I have tried several Wine versions. Any tips?
[17:41] <UltimateNate> roadrunner, Fail Trolls aren't allowed in #ubuntu.
[17:41] <Cydrobolt> Seveas, sorry man
[17:41] <Cydrobolt> I was ungrouping my nick
[17:41] <Cydrobolt> My nicks*
[17:41] <Cydrobolt> roadrunner, pls no caps
[17:42] <Seveas> brasileiro: try it on another computer, or try it directly plugged into the pc if it now goes via a hub
[17:42] <TJ-> MastermindL: also, you might check the kernel log for indications that the disk operation itself is failing. From a terminal you can 'follow' the log file as it is written whilst performing the operation that appears to fail. That way you can associate logged events with the actions you take. "sudo tail -f /var/log/kern.log" ... then try partitioning again with gparted and see if there is any obvious error
[17:43] <MastermindL> okay btw I just noticed when Gparted loads it says "/dev/sdb: unrecognised disk label"
[17:43] <brasileiro> Seveas: already tried in another pc and he's connected directly at the notebook
[17:43] <MastermindL> sdb is that drive
[17:43] <Seveas> brasileiro: and in another pc it works?
[17:43] <brasileiro> Seveas: yeap, like a charm... at windows..
[17:43] <joshua__> i just wish i could dual boot windows and ubuntu
[17:44] <joshua__> but i cant ever get it installed
[17:44] <varunendra> MastermindL, is that disk two years old?
[17:44] <TJ-> MastermindL: That sounds as if the disk has a non-msdos or GPT partition table layout
[17:44] <Seveas> brasileiro: that's really odd. Maybe a usb3 disk on a usb2 port? Try a different port. Or try accessing it from an ubuntu live cd on the other system to rule out a hw problem on the notebook
[17:44] <joshua__> i wonder if it isn't my nic making it difficult
[17:44] <cloneG> I followed this thread to install samba4 on ubuntu 12.04: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2146198
[17:44] <cloneG> in this thread I finally found why samba4 session is not starting: https://lists.samba.org/archive/samba-technical/2013-January/089869.html in short it is because I installed LDAP server aswell and both samba4 and LDAP server use the same port! I need to uninstall LDAP server but I fear uninstalling it will remove samba4 ldap module aswell. any advice?
[17:45] <MastermindL> 2 years old? more like 10
[17:45] <varunendra> :P
[17:45] <TJ-> MastermindL: I'm going to go back to my original suggestion; IOMMU. The symptoms you describe fit perfectly with the issues that no IOMMU raises
[17:45] <MastermindL> jesus
[17:45] <TJ-> MastermindL: Can you please pastebin "cat /proc/cmdline"
[17:45] <cloneG> would it be wise to change ports?
[17:45] <brasileiro> Seveas: you see.. at another port he appears at lsusb but i can't mount it =/
[17:46] <TJ-> MastermindL: The typical symptom is, the device (disk, network, etc.) is there and the OS sees it, but any communication coming *from*  the device is lost
[17:46] <Seveas> brasileiro: what's the error message when mounting? What's the filesystem?
[17:47] <roadrunner> public static void main(String[] args) {    if(int==0) channel'ubuntu'==stop();  }
[17:47] <roadrunner> :)
[17:47] <brasileiro> Seveas: and the messages at dmesg are here http://pastebin.com/8fsizinD
[17:47] <TJ-> MastermindL: Don't worry about age; I'm currently working on an 11 year old mobo that can't boot over USB from anything other than floppy-disk images on the USB flash! I'm having to create custom boot installations to make them work
[17:48] <MastermindL> lol that's crazy
[17:48] <Seveas> brasileiro: ok, so that's usb 3.0 allright
[17:48] <bakteria> Yesterday I bought a gtx 750ti for my htpc (headless 12.04) but I cannot get it to work with the graphicscard plugged in. I booted with nomodeset kernel parameter and installed the latest nvidia beta drivers manually but I still get black screen on boot.
[17:48] <MastermindL> anyway this HDD was working perfectly before I formatted it, so it's weird
[17:48] <MastermindL> I didn't do anything else
[17:48] <TJ-> MastermindL: Did you format it from the same motherboard?
[17:48] <MastermindL> anyway I have to go now, thanks for all the help and see you later
[17:48] <MastermindL> yes
[17:49] <brasileiro> Seveas: fdisk doesn't seems to find it..
[17:49] <MastermindL> I did it from the same ubuntu
[17:49] <brasileiro> Seveas: only lsusb
[17:49] <MastermindL> I format then suddenly it disappears from devices
[17:49] <Seveas> brasileiro: which Ubuntu version?
[17:49] <brasileiro> Seveas: 13.10
[17:49] <TJ-> MastermindL: Sounds like an incorrect partition table got written
[17:49] <MastermindL> and why I can't write a new one?
[17:50] <varunendra> TJ-, to me it seems that MastermindL's disk's MBR area is physically corrupt. GParted wrote a fresh partition table successfully (as per its report), but couldn't recognize that itself then.
[17:50] <joshua__> wish i could install ubuntu on my other hard drive
[17:51] <varunendra> also, it was the hard disk that is 10+ years old TJ- :)
[17:51] <TJ-> MastermindL: I'd do "sudo sgdisk --zap /dev/sdX" to wipe any GPT or MBR or anything else away
[17:51] <TJ-> varunendra: Yeah, I've got a crate of MFM/SCSI/IDE drives here (about 40) some dating back to the 1980s
[17:52] <Anonymoususa> hello
[17:52] <Seveas> brasileiro: some googling turns up an old bug that should be fixed already. Can you try a 13.04 livecd or a 14.04 alpha livecd and see if it works?
[17:52] <varunendra> TJ-, is that command similar to "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb" ?
[17:52] <TJ-> MastermindL: varunendra something else that could affect the drive, is if the controller is running to fast for it. I've had the need to artificially limit the UDMA speed for some drives
[17:53] <TJ-> varunendra: almost, but much faster and more targeted
[17:53] <varunendra> TJ-, like wiping out only the first 512 bytes I guess :)
[17:53] <TJ-> varunendra: to wipe just an MBR you can so "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=512 count=1" but for GPT there's a couple of GPT blocks on the disk, and often a protective MBR too
[17:54] <varunendra> TJ-, yup, I know GPT is larger, ignored the fact while assuming the command implication :o
[17:54] <brasileiro> Seveas: yeap, but that could take a while... you think it's that bug?
[17:55] <joshua__> could a nic like say killer nic be my problem of not getting ubuntu to boot in the live dvd
[17:55] <MastermindL> T_T
[17:56] <MastermindL> probably tomorrow morning I will go out and buy an external hard drive
[17:56] <MastermindL> it will be good to have one anyway
[17:56] <varunendra> TJ-, but wouldn't the effect of UDMA speed same before or after the formatting? I mean if the disk was readable previously on the same channel/speed, shouldn't it be considered a compatible mode?
[17:56] <MastermindL> and this will solve the situation of having to get those files
[17:57] <varunendra> MastermindL, I guess this one uses a 40-conductor IDE cable? Are the other two SATA?
[17:58] <brasileiro> Seveas: in here https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=134295 they're saying that i should add a line saying "usb_storage" to the /etc/modules... what do you think about it?
[17:59] <TJ-> varunendra: It is possible the controller changed things, if that were the issue, I'd think it one of the more unlikely scenarios though
[18:00] <MastermindL> no, it's SATA
[18:00] <antar> Hi, can anybody tell me how can i update my subl ?
[18:00] <TJ-> varunendra: Combined with the known mobo and CPU, and the missing USB2 devices, it all smells like the IOMMU issue to me
[18:00] <MastermindL> I really have to go now, guys, thanks a lot x1000, bye!
[18:00] <TJ-> MastermindL: good luck
[18:00] <MastermindL> thanks
[18:01] <joshua__> is it possible to upgrade to 13.10 from 12.10 lts
[18:01] <varunendra> TJ-, I recently experienced a similar USB detection issue on an Asrock board that was doing some kind of internal switching between USB 1/2/3 ports. That was messy
[18:01] <jhutchins> antar: What's a subl?
[18:02] <antar> jhutchins, Sublime text editor
[18:02] <TJ-> varunendra: The ports are usually shared between controllers (USB2/USB3) using a multiplexer
[18:03] <varunendra> TJ-, it is normal for USB3 ports to connect to USB2 hubs internally when the connected device is detected as USB 2. But switching between USB1/2 part was really messy.
[18:03] <jhutchins> antar: Wouldn't it be the same way you update any other package?
[18:04] <antar> jhutchins, Perhaps, could you remember me how do you update a package
[18:04] <Guest1593> got error : http://pastebin.com/YFVbN1v7
[18:04] <antar> sudo apt-get update blah ?
[18:04] <trism> antar: apt-get install packagename; will also upgrade a package
[18:05] <jhutchins> antar: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade will do all available packages.
[18:05] <antar> D'oh, Unable to locate the package, i installed it using something i forgot
[18:05] <varunendra> TJ-, its logic was - connect a port to EHCI when the connected device needs fast speed, but when too many devices were connected and it had to resort to UHCI, it just used to get stuck with that port assignments even across reboots. Then even a single device (USB 2) couldn't be detected if connected to that last port that was connected to UHCI the last time.
[18:05] <TJ-> varunendra: The same applies there, the multiplexer plus the ohci and ehci drivers
[18:06] <TJ-> varunendra: Buggy mobo :)
[18:06] <varunendra> YeahRight, definitely :)
[18:06] <jhutchins> Guest1593: We would need to know what repositories you have configured and what package you were trying to update and what packages generated the errors.  Just the fact that you got an error doesn't mean much.
[18:06] <TJ-> right! off to try this custom boot 'floppy' USB!
[18:06] <jhutchins> Guest1593: Also, please avoid pastebin.com.
[18:07] <jhutchins> !paste
[18:07] <varunendra> YeahRight, sorry, didn't mean to address you ;)
[18:07] <antar> Got it, i installed using webupd8 repo
[18:07] <joshua__> this sucks i can only play with ubuntu on a virtual machine
[18:07] <antar> How can i update it
[18:08] <Seveas> brasileiro: seems unlikely to me but you could try, it can't hurt.
[18:10] <brasileiro> Seveas: ok, so reboot then...
[18:10] <antar> ok, i got it
[18:13] <ikonia> Seveas: all sorted ?
[18:13] <HiddenDjinn> I think my site may be hacked
[18:14] <ikonia> HiddenDjinn: how does this relate to ubuntu ?
[18:14] <HiddenDjinn> On an ubuntu server
[18:14] <ikonia> HiddenDjinn: how can the ubuntu support channel help you ?
[18:15] <HiddenDjinn> ikonia: and if I'm in wrong channel, maybe direct me to the right one
[18:15] <ikonia> HiddenDjinn: how can the ubuntu support channel help you ? what do you need from us ?
[18:15] <jhutchins> antar: update updates the lists, upgrade upgrades the packages.
[18:15] <Seveas> ikonia: well, roadrunner is gone so yes :)
[18:15] <antar> jhutchins, Thank you
[18:16] <brasileiro> Seveas: no luck =(
[18:16] <petzup> how can i disable bluettoth on laptop? i dont want to have turned it on it drains battery... and i am really dont using it?
[18:17] <HiddenDjinn> Well, firefox blocks attempts to access my site, calling it an attack site, referencing malware...not sure what to do about it
[18:17] <ikonia> HiddenDjinn: what is your site ?
[18:17] <felisfcatus> you ran sudo dd if=some.iso of=/dev/sda , damaging the first 200mb of the 100GB NTFS partition. Your / is untouched, so linux doesnt crash. How would you respond?
[18:17] <HiddenDjinn> ikonia: nyrednek.blogdns.info
[18:18] <daftykins> felisfcatus: are you asking what to do?
[18:18] <jhutchins> felisfcatus: I would presume you want to repair the MBR so grub will boot.
[18:18] <adi__> hi, does anyone know channel about computer networks?
[18:18] <ikonia> HiddenDjinn: works in firefox just fine
[18:18] <ikonia> adi__: ##networking
[18:18] <daftykins> adi__: #networking
[18:18] <felisfcatus> daftykins: myah, pretty much
[18:18] <HiddenDjinn> ikonia: so the warning has been removed...ok
[18:19] <Lihis> Does anyone use google Chrome in here?
[18:20] <felisfcatus> jhutchins: ohkay. next? would you even bother trying to recover the NTFS partition?
[18:20] <pietro10> Just wondering: if I run a .exe file on the comman dline as argv[0], it automatically opens in wine - what setting is causing htis to happen? Thanks.
[18:20] <brasileiro> 1
[18:20] <HiddenDjinn> ikonia: thanks
[18:20] <DesesperatedUs3r> Hi, could anyone give me some tips to run testdisk in ubuntu, please? I really need it to save my computer
[18:21] <Piridine> hello
[18:22] <felisfcatus> hello
[18:22] <felisfcatus> DesesperatedUs3r: you could start by telling us what did you do
[18:24] <DesesperatedUs3r> OK, thanks! It uses win7, but my HDD crashed and since that moment when I start up I only see this message:  "bootmgr not found"
[18:24] <daftykins> so why don't you repair it with a Windows boot disc?
[18:24] <Piridine> last month, i discovered how to configured my tv with AverMedia A16D in Ubuntu. XD
[18:24] <bekks> DesesperatedUs3r: Insert a Windows CD and fix the broken boot environment.
[18:24] <Seveas> DesesperatedUs3r: if the harddisk crashed, it's time to buy a new one and restore from backup.
[18:25] <DesesperatedUs3r> I've tried to restore the computer and stopped it in the first second. Maybe too late. NTFS system dissapeared, and I'm trying to restore this with testdisk
[18:25] <bekks> DesesperatedUs3r: testdisk does not help you at that point.
[18:25] <bekks> DesesperatedUs3r: Ah, so you dont see any partitions anymore?
[18:25] <petzup> how to update kernel?
[18:25] <Seveas> petzup: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:26] <federico_> Hi all. ubuntu one is not syncing for me since 4 days ago on any computer. Does any one have similar problems?
[18:26] <Piridine> and now i am prepared to change to Ubuntu finally
[18:26] <OerHeks> federico_, known issue > http://askubuntu.com/questions/423833/ubuntu-one-cant-connect
[18:26] <DesesperatedUs3r> I see partitions. The one with contains (or contained) the OS, has only strange folders. The other partition (with games, movies and data) is working well
[18:26] <petzup> ok what about if i want to get back old one?
[18:26] <Giddeon> I have an application that I launch from the launcher.  I just installed a new version of the application, but every time I click the icon the old version gets opened.  How can I update the icon to launch the new app version?
[18:27] <Seveas> petzup: Ubuntu keep old kernels installed until you remove them
[18:27] <ikonia> Giddeon: how are you installing the new versions
[18:27] <petzup> but this kernel will be now default,yes?
[18:27] <pietro10> yes
[18:27] <Seveas> petzup: correct. You can choose kernels when booting
[18:27] <pietro10> speciifcally it becomes the first kernel in the GRUB boot list
[18:28] <petzup> okey
[18:28] <pietro10> if you press esc quickly on bootup you can choose an older kernel if something breaks
[18:28] <Giddeon> ikonia: I downloaded a file from the app website, then navigated to the directory of the new application and ran ./rubymine.sh
[18:28] <petzup> will try this now
[18:28] <ikonia> Giddeon: ok, so that's why it's not chananging
[18:28] <petzup> will this break my bumblebee? if i upgrade kernel?
[18:28] <hoodedice> I'm trying to install Xubuntu via livedisk via Unetbootin from a parent Windows 8.1
[18:28] <ikonia> Giddeon: the package manager knows nothing about this shell script, so can't update the launcher
[18:28] <parapan> hi folks - I want to install 2 linux distributions inside a logical volume - first is ubuntu 12/04, second is kali ....question is ....for kali should I setup a separate swap and separate boot partition ?
[18:28] <DesesperatedUs3r> bekks:  I see partitions. The one with contains (or contained) the OS, has only strange folders. The other partition (with games, movies and data) is working well
[18:28] <ikonia> parapan: don't do that
[18:28] <federico_> thanks OerHeks
[18:29] <parapan> ikonia: I'm listening
[18:29] <hoodedice> But on bootup into the Windows OS selection thingy, selecting Unetbootin restarts the PC
[18:29] <ikonia> parapan: logical volumes will be controlled by one of the OS's that means the other won't see the volume group of the second OS
[18:29] <hitsujiTMO> parapan: share the swap, not the boot
[18:29] <Giddeon> ikonia: that's how the original application was installed as well. It created the icon  and when I started the application  I right clicked on the launcher and said "Lock to Launcher".  Is there some way I can update the link?
[18:29] <ikonia> Giddeon: either a.) talk to the people who wrote it and ask how it should work - as it's not b.) do it manually
[18:30] <Giddeon> ikonia: happy to do it manually.  Is there a directory somewhere that holds the launcher links?
[18:30] <parapan> ikonia: grr so what's the solution "in english" ?
[18:30] <hoodedice> Oh wait, I'm using unetbootin to HDD
[18:31] <ikonia> parapan: ok - so the honest answer from my seat is "don't do it" - grub2 is not good at dual booting/managing updates to 2 OS's, that's my personal opinion
[18:31] <loa> strange in last chrome update it start i see random freezes.
[18:31] <bekks> DesesperatedUs3r: So do you have personal data  to be restored on the partition with the OS?
[18:31] <ikonia> parapan: you can technically do it with seperate partitions - totally seperate and chainloading one grub2 installation from the second
[18:31] <ikonia> parapan: however, this is a very poor solution in my personal view
[18:32] <parapan> ikonia: so it would be better to have the second OS on a primary partition instead ?
[18:32] <DesesperatedUs3r> bekks: Yes I do :( Thats why I want to restore data before I reinstall windows/restore default settings
[18:32] <bekks> DesesperatedUs3r: So what are "strange folders" then?
[18:32] <ikonia> parapan: doesn't matter if it's primary or logical, but logical volume, no
[18:32] <parapan> ikonia: problem is I want to end up with 3 OS's one one drive . . .
[18:33] <ikonia> parapan: but I advise you against this
[18:33] <ikonia> parapan: use virtualization
[18:33] <jhutchins> ikonia: WHat two OSs have you tried it with?
[18:33] <ikonia> jhutchins: multiple ones
[18:33] <xmetal> did i just see grub is not good at doing two partitions?
[18:33] <xmetal> er "did i just read?"
[18:33] <DesesperatedUs3r> bekks: If I enter C: right now with ubuntu i see a folder named "[(^_^)]" and another named "RMTemp"
[18:33] <felisfcatus> DesesperatedUs3r: if your ntfs patition isnt corrupted, you could just install windows on top of it. the old windows files would be moved to windows.old
[18:33] <parapan> ikonia: don;t have so good PC ressources ...and I was using kali under virtual ....doesn't have all the features like the hard install. . .
[18:34] <bekks> DesesperatedUs3r: And those two folders are the only ones you can see?
[18:34] <DesesperatedUs3r> bekks: Yes
[18:34] <ikonia> parapan: virtual/physical kali will not change the features
[18:34] <jhutchins> parapan: A logical partition isn't really any different from a physical.
[18:34] <jhutchins> parapan: I would re-use the swap partition though, there's no reason not to.
[18:34] <DesesperatedUs3r> felisfcatus: I think NTFS is corrupted since I can't index any folder with ubuntu in the drive
[18:35] <bekks> DesesperatedUs3r: Then testdisk will not help you much, since parts of the MFT of the NTFS were overwritten.
[18:35] <parapan> ikonia: jhutchins I mean the virtual doesn't have support for all hardwares like the hard install . . .
[18:35] <jhutchins> parapan: I've run both two different distributions and two releases of the same distribution without any trouble.
[18:35] <ikonia> parapan: the hardware is virtual - so it will be fully supported
[18:35] <bekks> DesesperatedUs3r: Better use a tools like photorec trying to recover file contents.
[18:35] <jhutchins> parapan: It can be a little confusing keping track of which system is managing the MBR.
[18:35] <xmetal> i have used grub/grub2 on a NUMBER of distros (dont want to get grief by listing them here) and never had an issue
[18:35] <DesesperatedUs3r> bekks: Is there a possibility to restore files with photorec?
[18:35] <xmetal> worst thing was some of my grub customizations (BG, font-family change) didn't "stick"
[18:36] <bekks> DesesperatedUs3r: Thats why I suggested it.
[18:36] <xmetal> i still haven't (successfully) gotten grub to boot iso's
[18:36] <xmetal> (just to see if ii could do it)
[18:36] <ikonia> grub2 will not manage 2 distributions well - the config files are in /etc on "1" distribution, so the other one can not update it, the only way to do it is to chainload the second grub - from the first, which is poor
[18:36] <petzup> anyone use bumblebee?
[18:36] <parapan> I know the second OS will mess with my first OS .....but how about the third one ???
[18:36] <xmetal> i have never ever had to do that
[18:36] <hitsujiTMO> xmetal: use chainload for cds
[18:36] <petzup> on my pc it f... up hibernation
[18:36] <ikonia> parapan: it will not mess with your OS at all - that is the whole problem
[18:37] <ikonia> parapan: it cannot update the grub config
[18:37] <hitsujiTMO> xmetal: oh, wait. .iso file?
[18:37] <xmetal> the first grub is suppose to boot the other OS... not the grub on the other OS
[18:37] <xmetal> yes yes ISO files
[18:37] <jhutchins> parapan: Why do you think they will "mess with" each other?
[18:37] <xmetal> say "universal Boot CD" or something like that
[18:37] <DesesperatedUs3r> bekks: OK :) I needed a confirmation. So I'm the same trouble. How I can run photorec in ubuntu?
[18:37] <ikonia> xmetal: no, it can't do that, as kernel updates from the second OS cannot update the grub config on the first OS - which controls grub on the MBR
[18:37] <felisfcatus> DesesperatedUs3r: since testdisk reveals nothing, just use photorec
[18:37] <hitsujiTMO> xmetal: thats almost impossible to do
[18:37] <parapan> jhutchins: cause I've done that before and kali installed the customized grub over the ubuntu's original one . . .
[18:37] <jhutchins> parapan: Other than reading the boot partitions and adding them to the grub menu, the other installations are just random data partitions.
[18:38] <felisfcatus> DesesperatedUs3r: just run sudo photorec i think. It's installed with testdisk
[18:38] <hitsujiTMO> xmetal: altho, you could prob dd it to a partition, then chanload that partition
[18:38] <jhutchins> parapan: That's not the OS messing with the other OS - that's YOU choosing to install a different grub.
[18:38] <whoever> hi all can someone assist me with installing youCompleteMe plugin  for vim, i have vundle installed but don't see how to add the youcompleteme bundle
[18:38] <DesesperatedUs3r> felisfcatus: I couldn't install testdisk
[18:39] <DesesperatedUs3r> felisfcatus: (and I'm running ubuntu from live CD, of course)
[18:39] <jhutchins> parapan: YOU can go back and change that too by running grub-install from whatever install you want to manage the MBR>
[18:39] <parapan> jhutchins: Ok, so the option will be not to install grub for kali ? then should I do the bootable flag to ON or OFF when installing kali ???
[18:39] <jhutchins> parapan: The bootable flag is for DOS.
[18:40] <xmetal> yeah i figured that out hitsujiTMO :P
[18:40] <xmetal> just wanted to see if i could do it
[18:40] <xmetal> there is something wrong with your grub then
[18:40] <xmetal> "first  grub" doesn't boot "Second grub for second OS" ... grub boots (always has here) the OS's
[18:40] <parapan> jhutchins: I don;t remember well but I don't think there is an option of not installing grub during kali install
[18:41] <jhutchins> parapan: If the kali installtion doesn't allow you to skip grub, install it to the partition instead of the MBR, or install it and let it run the MBR.  Doesn't really matter.
[18:41] <parapan> jhutchins: how come the first install ( ubuntu) will know to index the second install ? - kali ?
[18:41] <felisfcatus> DesesperatedUs3r: does that ubuntu has internet access? just run apt-get install testdisk
[18:41] <ikonia> parapan: if you don't install grub when installing kali-linux - how do you expect to boot kali-linux
[18:41] <xmetal> that may work ... was trying a "direct" iso file first
[18:41] <parapan> ikonia: I don't - that's why I'm asking :D jhutchins???
[18:41] <petzup> how to get on which kernel i am right now?
[18:41] <felisfcatus> DesesperatedUs3r: else, use http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[18:41] <jhutchins> parapan: Run update-grub.
[18:42] <xmetal> i am in one distro that i just installed yesterday that installed grub ... i need to get back into my other distro and redo that grub
[18:42] <DesesperatedUs3r> felisfcatus: Yes, it does have internet access. I tryied to do that and it returns: "E: Couldn't find packet testdisk"
[18:42] <xmetal> you have kahi and ubuntu? .... you should easily be able (if you install Kahi second and DONT install it's grub) boot ubuntu and update Ubuntu's grub
[18:42] <xmetal> it should see Kahi
[18:43] <xmetal> <~~ wasn't paying attention to the question/conversation 100% ... sorry
[18:43] <parapan> As I see, the working grub will be the one installed by the last distribution ....the last distrib will "see" the other installed distros and it will index them .....if I will revert to the first installed grub, than I will not be able to boot the other OS's . . .
[18:44] <jhutchins> parapan: No.
[18:44] <ikonia> forget "reverting"
[18:44] <ikonia> what about when you update the kenrel in the second OS, the first OS (which controls grub) will not know about the update,
[18:44] <xmetal> you can boot into the "first" (i am taking Ubuntu)
[18:44] <xmetal> and UPDATE grub's configurations
[18:44] <parapan> xmetal: that's what I'm asking ....I don't think I can "skip" the grub install on kali ...
[18:44] <DesesperatedUs3r> felisfcatus: Is gparted better solution than photorec?
[18:45] <xmetal> and 9 times out of 10 (at least for me) it will see the new OS
[18:45] <xmetal> never had an issue with that here
[18:45] <ikonia> xmetal: so what you are saying is, every time you update the second/third OS - boot into the first OS and manually update the grub config"
[18:45] <jhutchins> parapan: If you allow the installer to install grub to the MBR, that grub will control the boot.  If you don't, then the original grub will still control it, but won't initially see the new install until you run update-grub.  When you do that _from_the_original_install_, it will detect the new bootable kernel and add that to the menu.
[18:46] <xmetal> you will not be able to get into kali (why do i spell it "kahi" ?)  right away but as long as ubuntu boots, update grub's configurations and it should "detect" kali was installed
[18:46] <xmetal> and update the menu accordingly
[18:46] <ikonia> parapan: here are your options - a.) accept grub2 is a poor solution for dual booting b.) accept the manual work arounds needed ongoing to manage your dual boot system
[18:46] <ikonia> parapan: personally - grub2 is unacceptable to me to do this, if you disagree, carry on
[18:46] <jhutchins> ikonia: Do you recommend lilo instead?
[18:46] <ikonia> xmetal: that is the worst way of managing a dual/tripple boot system ever,
[18:46] <xmetal> you could boot into the "first grub OS" and update that or install the new OS's grub and then that should detct the first one
[18:46] <xmetal> either way
[18:46] <ikonia> jhutchins: I recommend "not doing it"
[18:47] <jhutchins> ikonia: I think you are wrong.
[18:47] <jhutchins> ikonia: Lots of people do this all the time.
[18:47] <ikonia> jhutchins: or using virtualizations
[18:47] <ikonia> I don't believe grub2 is an acceptable way of managing a dual boot system
[18:47] <hitsujiTMO> parapan: or :     instal kalis grub bootstrap to a partition  + chainload that in grub in ubuntu.
[18:47] <xmetal> i do it on many different PC's
[18:47] <xmetal> grub 2 is easy
[18:47] <xmetal> lol
[18:47] <jhutchins> ikonia: In fact, it's how most maintainers and developers run multiple systems,
[18:47] <ikonia> jhutchins: no, lots of people break it, few people do exactly what you are saying and are able to manage it
[18:47]  * xmetal jhutchins 
[18:47] <xmetal> oops
[18:47] <xmetal> sorry
[18:47] <jhutchins> ikonia: Trust me, I've been at this for a while.  Multi-boot works just fine.
[18:48]  * xmetal agree's with jhutchins 
[18:48] <felisfcatus> DesesperatedUs3r: loosely, it recover files based on their types. You'll prolly lose the folders hierarchy and you may not be able to recover everything
[18:48] <parapan> ikonia: jhutchins xmetal OK, but the update grub will be done only once after installing the second/third OS or have to be done each time the kernel is updated on each OS ???
[18:48] <ikonia> jhutchins: I'm aware of how it can work, but it doesn't work for the average user
[18:48] <ki7rw> grrr, all my outgoing e-mail is being bounced by spamhaus - new filters in force - i guess i'll have to shut down my mailserver
[18:48] <ikonia> jhutchins: havin to boot into the first OS to update the second/third OS config is just unacceptable
[18:48] <xmetal> nonono
[18:48] <xmetal> you boot into first OS ONCE and update grub
[18:48] <xmetal> thats it
[18:48] <jhutchins> ikonia: Judging by the traffic on freenode very few people have any problems with it.
[18:48] <ikonia> xmetal: no, - you have to update it after each kernel update
[18:48] <xmetal> "settings" (detecting Kali for example) will stick
[18:49] <ikonia> xmetal: if you update the kernel in the second OS it CANNOT update the grub menu controlled by the first, you need to boot into the first to update it again
[18:49] <xmetal> "update-grub" is the command i think
[18:49] <DesesperatedUs3r> felisfcatus: OK i try. I dont need Ubuntu tu run it, right? I just restart and boot from usb
[18:49] <ikonia> xmetal: sounds like you don't really understand it
[18:49] <jhutchins> xmetal: Right, update-grub.
[18:49] <ikonia> but in the FIRST os ,
[18:49] <coreire> Whats the easiest way to copy a ubuntu install from a hard drive to a usb flash drive? Is it possible to do it from a system while the os is running?
[18:49] <ikonia> so you have to do this each time the second/third OS does a kernel update, boot into the first update nad rebuild the grub config
[18:49] <jhutchins> Think of how many people have run Windows and Linux on the same systme for years.
[18:50] <hitsujiTMO> ikonia: if you install the grub for kali to a 1mb partition, you can chainload that in ubuntus grub, so you don't need to keep it up to date
[18:50] <ikonia> jhutchins: windows/linux is a different dual boot setup - that works fine
[18:50] <xmetal> i am one of them, jhutchins
[18:50] <xmetal> :)
[18:50] <ikonia> hitsujiTMO: yes, I also said that is the only way to do it, chainload
[18:50] <xmetal> many many different distros
[18:50] <xmetal> and grub works fine on all of them
[18:50] <hitsujiTMO> ikonia: ahh yeah sorry, cool
[18:50] <xmetal> that i have tried
[18:50] <ikonia> xmetal: sounds like you dont understand it
[18:50] <jhutchins> xmetal: I never did that much.  I had dedicated linux boxes, then I ditched windows completely about ten years ago.
[18:51] <xmetal> good idea, jhutchins
[18:51] <xmetal> lol
[18:51] <jhutchins> ikonia: I would say the person who doesn't know how to make it work is the person who doesn't understand it.
[18:51] <xmetal> lol @ i am senching this is going nowhere
[18:51] <parapan> ikonia: jhutchins xmetal > just to make this COMPLETE confusing for everyone I must inform you that my 3rd OS will be W7 =))
[18:51] <xmetal> resorting to that
[18:51] <ikonia> jhutchins: who is that ?
[18:51] <ikonia> parapan: the windows dual boot is not a problem, it's just multiple linux distributions
[18:51] <xmetal> no problem, pa... i have a triple boot here
[18:51] <xmetal> :)
[18:51] <xmetal> win7 being one of them
[18:52] <felisfcatus> coreire: no
[18:52] <felisfcatus> coreire: you;ll need 2 usbs
[18:52] <morsnowski> cookie for who finds the mistake first sudo dd if=/Users/morsnowski/Downloads/raspbmc-2013-12-23.img of=/etc/rdisk1 bs=1m
[18:52] <jhutchins> parapan: afik you will have to re-install grub after you install windows.  It does NOT respect other operating systems.
[18:53] <Guest30335> xmetal, windows will not be a problem; dual boot with two different linux versions will be (or you use chaned grubs as ikonia suggested)
[18:53] <xmetal> really if you pdate the kernel on "OS 2" (second linux) ... and want to use grub from the first OS... going into the first OS and running "update-grub" is easy
[18:53] <coreire> felisfcatus: Boot something like clonezilla off the 2nd usb?
[18:53] <morsnowski> it is my experience that installing windows first and ubuntu second is the cleaner way
[18:53]  * xmetal sighs 
[18:53] <ikonia> xmetal: it is not an acceptable way of managing a system - to control the second OS from the fist.
[18:53] <felisfcatus> coreire: boot the stuff you want to install
[18:53] <xmetal> so you want a grub for each OS
[18:53] <xmetal> grub boots to grub to grub
[18:53] <xmetal> hmm
[18:53] <xmetal> not even sure if that's possible, lol
[18:54] <jhutchins> ikonia: You are wrong.  You may prefer not to do it that way, but it is perfectly acceptable and supported by most distribution support channels.
[18:54] <felisfcatus> DesesperatedUs3r: like i said you could install testdisk on your ubuntu if you dont want to download another os
[18:54] <ikonia> chainloading while not great, at least will not require constant maintenance
[18:54] <ikonia> jhutchins: as I've said approx 5 times - this is my personal opinion
[18:54] <coreire> felisfcatus: I want to move my currently working ubuntu install from my hard drive to a usb stick though. Can I do that?
[18:54] <xmetal> i would get "Super Grub CD" (or i think there is a similar tool on the same site)
[18:55] <Guest30335> ikonia, second that
[18:55] <xmetal> that fixes grub if you install Linux Last
[18:55] <xmetal> oops
[18:55] <ikonia> super grub cd has nothing to do with it
[18:55] <ikonia> as it's just grub
[18:55] <parapan> ikonia: what you're right about is that I'm an bit of -"average" user .....but I'm pretty sure I'll damage the MBR ....and the grub ...first time I've fixed with a direct tool ....boot-repair-disk
[18:55] <xmetal> good god
[18:55] <xmetal> i smell a troll
[18:55] <jhutchins> parapan: Actually, you won't.
[18:55] <ikonia> parapan: I don't see any reason why you would cause any damage that could not be repaired
[18:55] <felisfcatus> coreire: i'd just do a fresh reinstall
[18:56] <xmetal> anyway, i would get SuperGrubCD (again there is another simiiar tool on the same site) that fixes grub if you install WINDOWS last
[18:56] <jhutchins> parapan: It's up to you.  ikonia will support chainloading if/when you can find him, there are several of us who will support multiple installtions.
[18:56] <parapan> jhutchins: I was almost sure ....that will probably fix the first install boot and I'll loose the other os's
[18:56] <felisfcatus> coreire: you might be missing stuff that is required to boot from usb
[18:56] <jhutchins> parapan: I prefer the simpler solution.  Making it more complex provides more opportunity to break.
[18:56] <xmetal> run that once and you can get bgack into linux
[18:56] <xmetal> :)
[18:56] <jhutchins> parapan: Several of us have told you that we've done this and that doesn't happen.
[18:56] <xmetal> i agree with jh
[18:56] <DesesperatedUs3r> felisfcatus: When I try to install testdisk in ubuntu it returns: "E: Couldn't find packet testdisk"
[18:56] <bsdbyte> Hello, im looking for a rails developer, who loves server configuration, programming etc. The pay is good. But must be able to work fulltime.
[18:57] <xmetal> grub booting to a second grub ... thats silly IMHO
[18:57] <morsnowski> xmetal: yes about as dense as it gets
[18:57] <ikonia> bsdbyte: please don't advertise in ubuntu channels
[18:57] <coreire> felisfcatus: Ok, thanks.
[18:57] <xmetal> i think one person in here in confusing everyone, lol ... i agree with most of what jh has said
[18:57] <jhutchins> Did you know you can get the NTLOADER to chainload grub, so that it becomes the primary bootmanager?
[18:58] <bsdbyte> ikonia, sure
[18:58] <ikonia> thanks
[18:58] <xmetal> then your are in a grub2 to grub2 booting loop
[18:58] <xmetal> lol
[18:58] <ikonia> xmetal: no-one said a loop
[18:58] <ikonia> xmetal: please don't make things up
[18:58] <parapan> jhutchins: Ok, but let's go back to my original problem ......I want kali installed into a 50GB ext 4 partition ......shold I do /boot /swap and / on that 50 Gb partition ?
[18:58] <xmetal> god i need to get hexchat to get the ignore feature
[18:58] <xmetal> troll
[18:58] <ikonia> xmetal: chainloading is a fully supported and long term option of grub and grub2 - so don't try to be-little people
[18:59] <jhutchins> parapan: Not swap.
[18:59] <jhutchins> parapan: I prefer a single partition + swap.
[18:59] <suore> i have problem with chromium, cannot typing comnn ets ay youtuibe - after click at commnet windos i got auto turn on and off a window xD
[18:59] <jhutchins> parapan: swap should be a seperate partition, but both ubuntu and kali can share it.
[19:00] <parapan> jhutchins: when choosing all OS into one partition kali requested the /swap to be setup ....how can I share the ubuntu /swap ?
[19:00] <jhutchins> parapan: /boot does not need to be a partition, although it can be.
[19:00] <jhutchins> parapan: Yes, share the swap.
[19:00] <ram_> hai
[19:00] <Guest30335> parapan, /boot on their own partitions, /swap can share the partition since never the two OS will be up at the same time
[19:01] <parapan> jhutchins: OK how can I share that /swap ??
[19:01] <Guest30335> parapan, just select the same partition on the installation process
[19:01] <jhutchins> parapan: You just point both installs to the same partition for swap.
[19:01] <ram_> which is best for downloader
[19:01] <jhutchins> parapan: As a matter of fact, if you have a swap partition, most distributions will detect and use it, so you'd end up using both swaps if you created a second one.
[19:02] <jhutchins> parapan: You do need to do manual partition setup.
[19:02] <jhutchins> Guest30335: There is no reason for the average user to have a seperate /boot.  A single OS partition has a lot of advantages for new users.
[19:03] <felisfcatus> DesesperatedUs3r: you sure the ubuntu live disk is connected to the internet?
[19:03] <felisfcatus> DesesperatedUs3r: do a sudo apt-get update first
[19:03] <Guest30335> jhutchins, uh, my bad. I meant that every OS installation needs to have their own /boot partition; that cannot be shared
[19:04] <jhutchins> Guest30335: Well, their own /boot folder/tree, right.  Can be a part of /.
[19:04] <Guest30335> jhutchins: I reckon too that there is no need to have a separete boot partition, though
[19:04] <Guest30335> jhutchins: yup, understood
[19:04] <parapan> jhutchins: Guest30335 > so I need manual ,..correct . . . but still don't get-it ....I tell kali to set /swap ....on the /swap of ubuntu ......sda5 for example ....that will not overwrite something from ubuntu OS ?
[19:05] <ram_> help me to choose downloader for ubuntu
[19:05] <Beldar> DesesperatedUs3r, You will need to turn off the cd and use the main repos, run this command and untick the cd and then run a update then the install. software-properties-gtk
[19:05] <jhutchins> parapan: Swap gets overwritten on every boot anyway, doesn't matter.
[19:05] <DesesperatedUs3r> feliscatus: yes im sure. I can navigate. I tryied apt-get update but it doesn't work (many packages were not downloaded - 404). I think the version of ubuntu im using in this cd is too old
[19:05] <shaun___> ram_: what are you looking to do?
[19:06] <parapan> k jhutchins : - next question ....how can I update the grub after the kernel was changed into second OS ?
[19:06] <Guest30335> parapan: you choose /sda5 for swap on both installations. And then you use lets say sda3 for the "/" on one installation and sda4 on the "/" of the other installation. Not difficult, I promise
[19:06] <shaun___> !fixgrub
[19:07] <jhutchins> parapan: If you do not choose to install grub to the MBR - to /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda6 - then the original grub will still be in control.
[19:07] <felisfcatus> DesesperatedUs3r: just try gparted live then
[19:07] <parapan> Guest30335: I've figured this one thanks >
[19:07] <Guest30335> parapan: jhutchins this is it. when you run "aptitude safe-upgrade" automatically will update its own GRUB, you don't have to worry about that
[19:07] <jhutchins> parapan: If kali does install to the MBR, it should still let you boot to ubuntu.  You can either just live with that, or boot to ubuntu, grub-install /dev/sda, update-grub, and ubuntu will be in charge again.
[19:07] <parapan> jhutchins: and if I cannot avoid installing the grub of kali ?
[19:08] <jhutchins> Guest30335: upgrades only update grub if they install a new kernel.
[19:08] <Guest30335> parapan: thats the advantage of have a chained grubs... eachone is updated independently from their respective OSs
[19:08] <Guest30335> jhutchins: yeah, thats what parapan whas asking
[19:09] <jhutchins> parapan: The second example I gave.  Let kali control it or re-install from ubuntu.
[19:10] <Guest30335> jhutchins: parapan have to go. parapan good luck with your setup. Please backup everything you don't wanna loose before start ;)
[19:13] <jhutchins> parapan: You're going to end up reinstalling grub after you install windows anyway, just pick which install you do it from.
[19:13] <parapan> Guest38215: ok thanks
[19:17] <parapan> jhutchins: k, but after reverting to ubuntu's grub I stiil have to manually update the grub of each OS with aptitude safe-upgrade ?
[19:17] <jhutchins> ikonia: I guess my main objection to chainloading is that there's no automated way to set it up that way, so it ends up being more complex for a new user to do.
[19:17] <ikonia> jhutchins: it's a very good point to raise
[19:17] <jhutchins> parapan: No, you only need to do update-grub on whatever system last installed grub.
[19:18] <parapan> jhutchins: and that will take care of all other OS's ? sounds too simple
[19:18] <jhutchins> ikonia: Once they understand bootloading better, they can always switch to that if they find the default inconvenient.
[19:18] <Goobsly> Testing.
[19:18] <ikonia> parapan: one OS controls grub, every time you make a change to the other OS's you need to update the config from the controlling OS
[19:19] <jhutchins> parapan: Each OS takes care of it's own internal setup.  You point grub to the root and the kernel and that OS takes it from there.
[19:19] <parapan> ikonia: that was my understanding also
[19:20] <jhutchins> parapan: Actually, it's usually root, initramfs, and kernel in the grub config.
[19:20] <parapan> jhutchins: but the grub config file will have the setup of all other OS's correct /
[19:20] <ki7rw> why isn't the latest version of virtualbox in the repositories?
[19:21] <Phosphorescent> Yo
[19:21] <jhutchins> parapan: Yep.
[19:21] <Phosphorescent> New here
[19:21] <Phosphorescent> Wut's the topic??
[19:21] <ikonia> parapan: type /topic
[19:23] <Phosphorescent>  anyone acceptin the 'yo'?
[19:23] <parapan> type /topic
[19:23] <ikonia> Phosphorescent: channels not really a chat channel (try #defocus for that) this channel talks about ubuntu only
[19:23] <ikonia> Phosphorescent: the links in the topic will provide more detail
[19:24] <parapan> insufficinet arguments for command ?
[19:34] <brasileiro> anybody knows how can I update my BIOS using Ubuntu? I have a Dell Inspiron 17R SE and tried the firmwaretoll --update without luck...
[19:35] <cow5843> When Ubuntu 14.04 releases, will I be able to upgrade my 14.04 to final?
[19:35] <Beldar> brasileiro, Some bios updates have a bootable iso you can put on a cd/usb, have you looked for this?
[19:35] <cow5843> without resinstalling
[19:35] <yeats> cow5843: yes - it will happen via normal updates
[19:35] <cow5843> yeats: thanks
[19:35] <brasileiro> Beldar: all that i found on dell's website is a windows exec...
[19:35] <Beldar> !14.04 | cow5843 for future trusty issues
[19:39] <Beldar> brasileiro, So what is the motivation to do this update?
[19:42] <brasileiro> Beldar: i'm having trouble mounting an external hdd and this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1154739 ended because the guy had an outdated bios..
[19:42] <brasileiro> Beldar: i'm having the same problem described and can't figure out what to do...
[19:42] <Beldar> brasileiro, I did find this dell ubuntu bios wiki. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DellBIOS
[19:42] <matt444> My computer keeps wanting to connect to the router with an IP address that is reserved to another computer. If I try to reserve a different IP for it in the router it won't conect
[19:43] <brasileiro> Beldar: yeap, I saw that, but keeping in mind that updating the bios is kinda dangerous I was wondering if anybody could second that information...
[19:43] <jhutchins> cow5843: Generally most of the Debian derived distributions like Ubuntu will support upgrading to the next release, while RedHat distributions including Mandriva and Suse will not.
[19:45] <jhutchins> brasileiro: I would stick to BIOS updates that come from the manufacturer - from Dell in this case.
[19:45] <felisfcatus> ^
[19:46] <felisfcatus> matt444: reserver an ip that is outside the dhcp range
[19:46] <parapan> jhutchins: ikonia -thanks for support -i saved the conversation and i'll come back if needed ....
[19:47] <brasileiro> jhutchins: so the solution is to install windows an update from the exec that dell is showing at the website?
[19:48] <felisfcatus> brasileiro: you could brick your pc if not done correctly. like perma brick unles you're good with reflashing bios chips.
[19:48] <felisfcatus> brasileiro: so i recommend stick to th recommended way of reflashing the bios, or not update at all unless it's necessary
[19:48] <jhutchins> brasileiro: If Dell has a BIOS update it's a good idea to install it.  Dell usually supplies instructions on how to do so, and these days it's possible from Linux.
[19:49] <OerHeks> matt444, sounds like that ip is reserved by the MAC adress, clone that mac adress and you'll be fine
[19:49] <Beldar> brasileiro, So how are you mounting the external, and is it in fstab as well?
[19:49] <jhutchins> felisfcatus: It really depends on the hardware.  In the early 2000s it was almost always necessary to update the BIOS on IBM Thinkpads when you got them.
[19:49] <brasileiro> jhutchins: the only way i found is throught windows http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/us/en/19/DriverDetails/Product/inspiron-17r-se-7720?driverId=FJY72&osCode=BIOSA&fileId=3290558924&languageCode=EN&categoryId=BI
[19:50] <ubuntuuserhappy> I've had a couple of security breaches recently,  both originating from the "ubuntu" user on the system.  The second was simply someone logging in, first try with the ubuntu user via ssh, the thing im wondering is, is there any reason for the ubuntu user to have a shell at all? Also,
[19:50] <jhutchins> brasileiro: Follow Dell's instructions and you should be fine.  If not, you can turn to Dell for support.
[19:50] <ikonia> ubuntuuserhappy: ubuntu user doesn't exist on an install
[19:50] <ikonia> ubuntuuserhappy: that's only on livemedia
[19:50] <brasileiro> Beldar: nop, it only appears at lsusb, and dmesg returns the same thing as the bug thread
[19:51] <ubuntuuserhappy> there were no services running with the ubuntu user, so that couldn't have been the source of the hack
[19:51] <ikonia> ubuntuuserhappy: ubuntu user doesn't exist on an install
[19:51] <ikonia> ubuntuuserhappy: that's only on livemedia
[19:51] <hikmat> ubuntu not taking ks parameter in boot prompt
[19:51] <brasileiro> jhutchins: ok, i'm gonna install windows then...
[19:51] <Beldar> brasileiro, So how are you mounting the external, and is it in fstab as well? I'm just wondering if there is an error in this scenario.
[19:51] <Beldar> brasileiro, This a ntfs partitioned external?
[19:52] <brasileiro> Beldar: i can't mount it.. it doesn't show up in fstab, only in lsusb... fdisk -l returns nothing related to it... yes, it's ntfs
[19:52] <jhutchins> brasileiro: Dell usually has a bootable image you can use to flash the BIOS - then again, I deal mostly with Dell Servers.
[19:52] <ubuntuuserhappy> ikonia: its getting installed with some package that my lxc-install script is installing
[19:52] <ikonia> ubuntuuserhappy: which package is providing that package
[19:52] <brasileiro> jhutchins: thanks! i'll keep looking for this bootable option..
[19:52]  * jhutchins thinks he's missing part of the thread.
[19:52] <ikonia> that script sorry
[19:53] <Beldar> brasileiro, Could be as simple as the external needing a chkdsk, I would do that, but yes use windows to install the bios from dell.
[19:53] <DaveVE3> jhutchins,  are you in canada?
[19:53] <hitsujiTMO> brasileiro: does it show ip in lsblk?
[19:53] <jhutchins> DaveVE3: Nope, next country South.
[19:53] <DaveVE3> OK... thanks
[19:54] <brasileiro> Beldar: hitsujiTMO nop... only sda
[19:54] <shift_tim> Is there a way to find all files in a directory which end in a six-character extension?
[19:54] <shift_tim> Example: I want to find file.aaaaaa and file.a4Diiq, but not file.txt or file.12345
[19:54] <brasileiro> Beldar: it's working fine at another machine that runs on windows
[19:54] <ubuntuuserhappy> ikonia: lxc, the lxc install script is what sets up the guests, it only installs some very basic packages, like npt,iptables,dnsutils,etc
[19:54] <ikonia> ubuntuuserhappy: what package provides that script
[19:54] <DaveVE3> ls -lR *abcdef
[19:54] <Beldar> brasileiro, That is windows linux can be finicky with file systems.
[19:54] <jhutchins> shift_tim: find /path -name "*1234"
[19:54] <ubuntuuserhappy> ikonia: its a script modified from the lxc package, are you familiar with lxc?
[19:55] <ikonia> ubuntuuserhappy: what package provides that script
[19:55] <jhutchins> shift_tim: Oh, -name "*.??????"
[19:55] <ikonia> ubuntuuserhappy: that is the actual package name
[19:55] <hitsujiTMO> brasileiro: whats the output of: ls /sys/block
[19:55] <DaveVE3> ls -l |grep abcdef
[19:55] <Beldar> brasileiro, If you have access to another windows I would chkdsk /r that external, or just run the right click on iot in computer that is a chkdsk basically in windows.
[19:55] <brasileiro> Beldar: but doesn't it need to appear at fstab for me to run fsck on it?
[19:56] <Beldar> brasileiro, you do not run a fsck on a ntfs, I said chkdsk
[19:56] <brasileiro> hitsujiTMO: sdb is there
[19:56] <ubuntuuserhappy> ikonia: are you familiar with lxc?
[19:56] <Beldar> brasileiro, fsck is linux chkdsk is windows
[19:57] <ikonia> ubuntuuserhappy: yes, but that isn't the question, I'm asking you "what is the name of the package that provides that script"
[19:57] <OerHeks> ubuntuuserhappy, "The default template does a bare bones Ubuntu 10.4 install, creates a user “ubuntu” .... < http://derek.simkowiak.net/lxc-ubuntu-x/
[19:57] <brasileiro> Beldar: i'll try that, but giving that there's a bug related to it, I don't think that's all
[19:57] <jhutchins> There are disk check tools for ntfs in linux, but it's preferred to do it from Windows if possible.
[19:57] <hitsujiTMO> brasileiro: whats the output of: ls -ld /sys/block/sdb/sdb1
[19:57] <jhutchins> fsck.ntfs is available, as are ntfscheck and checkntfs.
[19:58] <OerHeks> ubuntuuserhappy, so obvious, that user is a nice user
[19:58] <hikmat> Hello there
[19:58] <jhutchins> Not sure which if any are in Ubuntu.
[19:58] <Beldar> brasileiro, One bug is not a cause and effect empirically with the variables that are still present.
[19:58] <hikmat> any one for help
[19:58] <DaveVE3> hey hikmat
[19:58] <brasileiro> hitsujiTMO: ls: cannot access /sys/block/sdb/sdb1: No such file or directory
[19:58] <jhutchins> !ask | hikmat
[19:58] <DaveVE3> hikmat,  wacha need
[19:59] <ubuntuuserhappy> oerheks: yes, I'm wondering why im getting hacked through that user, this current time it looked like they just knew the password, no failed log in attempts, not services running as ubuntu
[19:59] <jhutchins> ubuntuuserhappy: Did you set the password for that user?
[19:59] <que1> Hey guys I want to know what is the appropriate way to keep the icons for my recently compiled application, in /usr/share/pixmaps or /usr/share/icons/hicolor? I've seen there are some in /usr/share/pixmaps with different sizes. Is this recommended?
[19:59] <felisfcatus> !patience | felisfcatus
[20:00] <brasileiro> Beldar: doing the check
[20:00] <jhutchins> felisfcatus: You can also /msg ubottu <factoid> for a private reply.
[20:00] <hikmat> Ubuntu is not taking kickstart parameter  at boot prompt from web
[20:00] <hitsujiTMO> brasileiro: with that it sounds like there is no partition table on the device. (hence why it doesn't show up in fdisk). you most likely have written the filesystem directly to the disk
[20:00] <ubuntuuserhappy> jhutchins: no i did not
[20:01] <jhutchins> ubuntuuserhappy: You should probably re-do the install and set it.
[20:01] <ikonia> the ubuntu users default password is normally ubuntu
[20:01] <jhutchins> ubuntuuserhappy: That or reinstall and lock the account with passwd -l ubuntu
[20:01] <ikonia> hence why I want to know what package is installing that script
[20:01] <ubuntuuserhappy> jhutchins: yes, that is the plan, but I would still like to know how it happened in the first place
[20:01] <brasileiro> hitsujiTMO: actually the disk is kinda differente, it's an Iomega ScreenPlay, but this http://linuxhcl.com/browse/product?id=6977 says it works under linux
[20:02] <brasileiro> hitsujiTMO: basically the Iomega ScreenPlay acts like an external hdd + video player all in once
[20:02] <butterman___> hallo
[20:02] <jhutchins> hitsujiTMO: ubuntu does not use kickstart, it uses preseed, and I don't know what you mean by a "boot prompt from web" - that doesn't make sense.
[20:02] <jhutchins> hitsujiTMO: Sorry.
[20:02] <jhutchins> hitsujiTMO: ubuntu does not use kickstart, it uses preseed, and I don't know what you mean by a "boot prompt from web" - that doesn't make sense.
[20:02] <butterman___> what?
[20:03] <OerHeks> ubuntuuserhappy, if that script did not prompt for setting a password, password would be empty
[20:03] <ubuntuuserhappy> ikonia: why the hell would that be set with a default password like that, and that script for the hundredth time is derived from the stock scripts that come with lxc
[20:03] <jhutchins> hikmat: ubuntu does not use kickstart, it uses preseed, and I don't know what you mean by a "boot prompt from web" - that doesn't make sense.
[20:03] <hitsujiTMO> jhutchins: :)
[20:03] <jhutchins> hitsujiTMO: Too many different keyboards.
[20:03] <ikonia> ubuntuuserhappy: what is the package name - for the 100th time
[20:03] <ubuntuuserhappy> oerheks: should be, but isn't, ikonia is telling me the default password is ubuntu for ubuntu user???
[20:03] <ubuntuuserhappy> ikonia: LXC
[20:04] <ikonia> !info lxc
[20:04] <suppybot> Announcement from my owner (harris): #coding-n00bs hello
[20:04] <hitsujiTMO> jhutchins: pxe setups typically use kickstart tho: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallServer
[20:04] <basketball> ~ part #ubuntu
[20:04] <basketball> sorry about suppybot ikonia
[20:04] <ikonia> basketball: no problem, thank you
[20:05] <OerHeks> ikonia he used this  "The default template does a bare bones Ubuntu 10.4 install, creates a user “ubuntu” .... < http://derek.simkowiak.net/lxc-ubuntu-x/
[20:05] <hikmat> Jhutchins: I mean when we pass parameter to kernel just by pressing F6 at boot prompt like Boot Options ks=http://example.com/ks.cfg
[20:05] <eng1ne> k
[20:05] <basketball> ikonia,  were you going to kick or ban it
[20:05] <ikonia> basketball: ban it until I spoke to the owner, but as you spoke up, nothing
[20:05] <ikonia> !info lxc
[20:06] <basketball> ikonia,  we have the same ip so if you banned you would ban me
[20:06] <conall> Hi, Im getting a dell latitude e5430. Ubuntu provides a 12.04 image for it http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201202-10548/   However some of the specs are different (ie. i7 processor instead of i5). Will this image still work?
[20:06] <ikonia> basketball: good job I didn't then
[20:06] <ikonia> OerHeks: if thats still the case for the saucy packages, maybe worth looking into a bug report then
[20:07] <Beldar> conall, I would use the 12.04.4 image.
[20:07] <jhutchins> Ok, kickstart is supported in Ubuntu.  Didn't know that.
[20:07] <jhutchins> hikmat: That's usually a network problem for us.
[20:07] <ubuntuuserhappy> oerkecks: thanks, i guess I'll just have to add a line to the script remove log in privilages for the ubuntu user
[20:08] <conall> Beldar: do you mean the standard image?
[20:08] <OerHeks> ikonia, that url gives a selfmade script from github AFAIK, not official
[20:08] <jhutchins> hikmat: Have you verified that the ks file is accessible from the subnet you're using?
[20:08] <Beldar> conall, Yes, so your concern is will ubuntu run on this computer?
[20:08] <ikonia> OerHeks: thats interesting, so an official package is pushing out that shell script ?
[20:08] <DaveVE3> ubuntuuserhappy, just take the hash out of the /etc/shadow file
[20:08] <hikmat> Jhutchins: yes it's accessible.
[20:09] <DaveVE3> then it can't be logged into
[20:09] <hitsujiTMO> conall: the link is to the standard 12.04.2 iso. you'be be better off trying the 12.04.4 iso. especially with the newer hardware
[20:09] <conall> Beldar: Thanks for the reply btw. I'm fairly sure it will, but im just wondering which image would be better to use
[20:09] <DQSII> so i had a question when it comes time to upgrade to 14.04 am i gonna have to remove gnome 2 fallback agian cause i dont like that i just use unity and compiz and xfce and kwin
[20:09] <jhutchins> conall: Linux is generally good at adapting to any Intey-type hardware.  Occasionally there are problems with network cards or advanced video, but they can be worked out.
[20:09] <ubuntuuserhappy> daveVE3: yeah that might be the best way to go about it
[20:10] <DaveVE3> then any programs that need that user id will still work
[20:10] <OerHeks> ikonia reversing that odd user ubuntu, google came up with that script, so it needs some working i guess
[20:10] <Beldar> conall, Understandable, if it were me I would make sure to clone what is there, and if it's windows have a recovery disc made.
[20:10] <ikonia> OerHeks: I think you need to know if the official ubuntu package is giving that script or not
[20:10] <ikonia> otherwise it's just a pointless relationship to try to create
[20:10] <jhutchins> hikmat: In that case you might be able to figure out what the problem is by checking alt-F2 through Alt-F4 or using a live CD.  It's probably not setting up the NIC correctly.
[20:11] <OerHeks> no it does not, or i must be confused
[20:11] <ikonia> OerHeks: ok - so why are you mentioning that script in relation to ubuntuuserhappy's problem
[20:11] <conall> hitsujiTMO , jhutchins, Beldar: thanks for the reply guys, I suppose ill stick with the standard package then. Thanks
[20:12] <jhutchins> hikmat: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html
[20:12] <hikmat> jhutchins: network is fine because if I put preseed.cfg file in place of ks.cfg in my local server then it's working..
[20:13] <OerHeks> ikonia i mentioned it to him,and he confirmed
[20:14] <hikmat> actually I have installed ubuntu in fully automated mode using preseed file but I want perform some extra task like setting up ssh file in home folder
[20:15] <jhutchins> hikmat: Does preseed let you run post scripts?
[20:15] <jhutchins> hikmat: You have not given any details on how it fails.
[20:15] <que1> Hey guys I want to know what is the appropriate way to keep the icons for my recently compiled application, in /usr/share/pixmaps or /usr/share/icons/hicolor? I've seen there are some in /usr/share/pixmaps with different sizes. Is this recommended?
[20:16] <basketball> how do i view only what i have said and what people have said to me
[20:16] <hikmat> Jhutchins: when I pass kickstart file it continues to install but does not perform any task that I had specified in ks file
[20:16] <hikmat> jhutchins: That link has conflicting statement: The method supported by Anaconda of adding a plain "ks" boot parameter to work out the location of the Kickstart file from a DHCP response is not yet supported by the Ubuntu installer.
[20:17] <hikmat> What does that mean? ubuntu doesn't support ks parameter
[20:18] <jhutchins> hikmat: I would think it means it can't get the kickstart file location from DHCP.
[20:19] <jhutchins> hikmat: so you can't just tell it "ks", it has to be "ks=http://path.to.server/file"
[20:19] <hitsujiTMO> hikmat: what docs are you following? i think most have best luck with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallServer
[20:20] <OerHeks> basketball, search your chatlog for your name, or ctrl + F in xchat to search
[20:20] <jhutchins> hikmat: Also, if you're using a hostname, you might not have DNS at that point - try the  IP.
[20:20] <hikmat> jhutchins: I am using IP
[20:20] <Blanco_> re
[20:20] <jhutchins> OerHeks: Any way to do that with irssi?
[20:20] <hitsujiTMO> hikmat: is your network up at that point?
[20:21] <hikmat> yes
[20:21] <jhutchins> hikmat: Well, again, alternate consoles and maybe the installer log.
[20:21] <bekks> jhutchins: irssi can save logs, which are searchable using command line tools.
[20:21] <ubuntuuserhappy> ikonia: the lxc-guest-setup script just calls lcx-create with some network and packages to install.  its one of the packages or more likely the lxc-create program that create the ubuntu user
[20:22] <hikmat> I am using following commands at boot prompt>> auto url=http://$IP:8082 locale=en_US keyboard-configuration/layoutcode=us console-setup/ask_detect=false hostname=vagrant-ubuntu domain=vagrant-ubuntu initrd=/install/initrd.gz ks=http://${IP}:8081"
[20:22] <hikmat> #sh ./htt
[20:22] <hikmat> $IP=192.168.1.4
[20:22] <ikonia> ubuntuuserhappy: this is a concern IF if it putting the ubuntu user with default ubuntu password in pace from a script supplied by an official ubuntu package
[20:23] <ubuntuuserhappy> ikonia: yep
[20:23] <OerHeks> jhutchins, logging is not activated standard http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup#c7
[20:23] <hitsujiTMO> hikmat: i hope you're not using actual vars and that was there for obfuscation
[20:23] <jhutchins> hikmat: I don't see a ks command in there.
[20:24] <jhutchins> hikmat: I mean filename.
[20:24] <jhutchins> hikmat: I believe you need the filename, not just the address of the server.
[20:25] <coventry> I updated a 13.04 machine, and can't get past the encryption key challenge during boot.  I can mount the encrypted drive from a rescue disc by following the cryptsetup instructions "tact" gives in this URL.  How can I diagnose what's failing during boot?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=868681&s=5adf91c296adb0844fdc1ddeb6c7d9ad&p=5448385#post5448385
[20:25] <jhutchins> hikmat: That's because it can be <anything>.ks
[20:25] <jhutchins> or .cfg
[20:26] <hitsujiTMO> coventry: can you pastebin the output of: lspci -k
[20:26] <hikmat> jhutchins: I just provided the IP. actually I am installing Ubuntu in Virtualbox. I have run to netcat server with each providing preseed and ks respectively at 8081 and 8082.
[20:26] <hikmat> two
[20:26] <CaBa> hi
[20:26] <coventry> hitsujiTMO: Sorry, will have to ask agoin later.  Thanks for the suggestion.
[20:26] <hikmat> preseeding is working with that way
[20:27] <hikmat> but why not ks
[20:27] <hitsujiTMO> coventry: there's a bug with initramfs that could be the cause of the problem
[20:27] <CaBa> how can i disable, system wide, that users can mount other filesystem on internal hard drives? users should still be able to mount usb storage and optical media though
[20:27] <hikmat> I just checked whether ks is coming or not just by typing nc 192.168.1.4:8082 in my host ..it's supplying content of ks.cfg
[20:28] <hikmat> *:
[20:29] <OerHeks> coventry, does your (usb)keyboard not work to give the encryptionkey ?
[20:29] <ubuntuuserhappy> iconia: ive confermed.  Running lxc-create -t ubuntu (the lxc package provided template) creates the ubuntu user with password ubuntu
[20:30] <ikonia> ubuntuuserhappy: log a bug - mark it as a security bug
[20:30] <ikonia> ubuntuuserhappy: unless the goal is that you are meant to change the password/delete the user upon login
[20:31] <ubuntuuserhappy> iconia: it warns you when you when you install it, but it get lost when installed with the common scripts, either way, dumb, where do i report  it as a bug?
[20:31] <ikonia> !bugs | ubuntuuserhappy
[20:31] <mortrca> My /etc/resolv.conf file has three nameserver entries. I thought having three in there meant that each nameserver would be queried until a match is found, but only the first entry in the list is queried.
[20:31] <ubuntuuserhappy> ikonia: it looks like its supposed to be something like that
[20:32] <mortrca> How can I get queries to fall back on another server when the first one on the list fails?
[20:32] <ikonia> ubuntuuserhappy: maybe worth checking the documentation then, as it could be uer error
[20:32] <ikonia> user
[20:33] <ubuntuuserhappy> ikonia: no matter what, its a terrible idea to create a default user/password on what is almost always going to be a server install
[20:33] <hitsujiTMO> mortrca: afaik its so that if it cannot access the first server it will try the second. not that if it cannot find
[20:33] <ikonia> ubuntuuserhappy: not really, you need a default user/password to login, if you've not read the docs, it's user error, if it's not documented, then it's a bug
[20:34] <mortrca> hitsujiTMO: Okay, I guess that makes sense
[20:34] <hitsujiTMO> mortrca: theres no reason why the primary, secondary, or tertiary dns's should differ
[20:36] <ubuntuuserhappy> ikonia: its a bad idea no matter what, there are other ways to accomplish that, prompting the user, or requiring and install parameter to create username/password
[20:36] <ubuntuuserhappy> ikonia: its common enough that bots are searching for ubuntu servers with the ubuntu/ubuntu user/pass combination to root kit them
[20:36] <ikonia> ubuntuuserhappy: sure there are better ways, if you want to log it, log it
[20:41] <jhutchins> ubuntuuserhappy: Without knowing more about the situation I would agree with you, but I'd be a bit surprised if that were really the default.
[20:43] <giannis> HI
[20:43] <giannis> HI
[20:44] <jhutchins> ubuntuuserhappy: Here's what I would do:  Do a fresh install and verify that this is in fact the default.  If it is, file a bugreport.
[20:44] <jhutchins> ubuntuuserhappy: If you find that it's a response you missed, it's still a hazard and you could report it.
[20:46] <AmbiguousOutlier> What is telepathy it is consuming 100% of one of my cores
[20:46] <ubuntuuserhappy> jhutchins: yeah, i think im going to do that, its very poorly documented in general, and I'm betting most people are like me and use the popular install scripts where the warning just gets lost
[20:46] <ubuntuuserhappy> jhutchins: yeah i did a fresh install with just the ubuntu installed program, its lxc-create with the ubuntu template that does it
[20:48] <asaranda> any idea beacus i can0t reach the host with the sock 5 enabled?
[20:49] <AmbiguousOutlier> is it safe to sudo apt-get remove telepathy
[20:49] <bekks> AmbiguousOutlier: If you want to uninstall telepathy, then yes.
[20:50] <AmbiguousOutlier> bekks
[20:50] <bekks> AmbiguousOutlier: Look out for other applications that might be uninstalled prior pressing "y".
[20:50] <AmbiguousOutlier> bekks: well it's consuming all my resources
[20:50] <jhutchins> ubuntuuserhappy: Ah, that makes better sense.  VMs tend to be more isolated from the 'net.
[20:51] <ubuntuuserhappy> jhutchins: well some vms, but I really doubt lxc vms are, i would bet servers is the primary use of them
[20:52] <AmbiguousOutlier> what's telepathy got to do with irc?
[20:56] <hikmat> plain ks parameter is not supported at Ubuntu boot prompt. Am I wrong?
[20:57] <ikonia> what parameter ?
[20:57] <quants> hi guys, im having trouble loading 12.04 lts onto my netbook. its currently running windows 7 starter
[20:58] <Beldar> Hi my computer does not boot, I have done no research, pleeeeeeeze help me. lol
[20:58] <Beldar> just a joke
[20:58] <ikonia> it's not very funny or helpful, so please don't
[20:59] <Beldar> just a representation of what we see by the minute here is all, I will not go any further.
[20:59] <michaelnorman> Ok, so.......
[20:59] <michaelnorman> Broken pipe, could not write
[21:00] <michaelnorman> usb as hdd
[21:00] <michaelnorman> opinions?
[21:00] <michaelnorman> I'll get the actual error
[21:00] <hitsujiTMO> !details | michaelnorman
[21:00] <michaelnorman> new at irc, sry
[21:00] <michaelnorman> rats, anyway
[21:01] <Beldar> michaelnorman, we all start somewhere some details and context help.
[21:02] <michaelnorman> I am running Ubuntu (started with installing minimal install 30Mb iso, then installed ONLY ssh, apache minecraft server
[21:02] <michaelnorman> 13.04
[21:02] <michaelnorman> anyway
[21:02] <hitsujiTMO> 13.04 isn't supported anymore. you need to upgrade.    where exactly are you seeing that message?
[21:02] <michaelnorman> Built the server out of a zombified laptop, core duo with one Gb Ram
[21:03] <michaelnorman> oh hi
[21:03] <michaelnorman> I am seeing it in application apachetop
[21:03] <michaelnorman> how is 12.04 supportecd and 13.04 not5?
[21:03] <michaelnorman> running in RL 3
[21:03] <SwedeMike> michaelnorman: becuae 12.04 is a LTS (Long Term Support)
[21:03] <felisfcatus> michaelnorman: 12.04 is LTS release
[21:03] <hitsujiTMO> 12.04 is LTS (long term support) 13.04 only had 9 months support
[21:03] <SwedeMike> !lts
[21:03] <michaelnorman> oh
[21:04] <quants> Guys, im having trouble loading 12.04 lts onto my netbook. its currently running windows 7 starter. ive made a USB copy but i doesn't seem to want to load. ?? Sorry Im a newb.
[21:04] <felisfcatus> dammit, i really need to leanrn how those bot works
[21:04] <michaelnorman> quants; acer netbook?
[21:04] <Beldar> quants, THe usb does not boot?
[21:04] <jhutchins> felisfcatus: How did you make the USB?  Did you check the md5sum of the iso?
[21:05] <felisfcatus> jhutchins: uh, wrong person mate
[21:05] <jhutchins> felisfcatus: Sorry.
[21:05] <michaelnorman> a story about my acer netbook; ctl + Alt + Delete exactly 3 times for usb to show up in boot menu
[21:05] <jhutchins> quants: How did you make the USB?  Did you check the md5sum of the iso?
[21:06] <jhutchins> felisfcatus: /msg ubottu <factoid>
[21:06] <quants> michaelnorman  Beldar its a packard bell, details to follow, i cant work out why is doesnt work from usb.
[21:06] <felisfcatus> jhutchins: is there any way for me to get a list of factiods?
[21:07] <quants> jhutchins im a newb, not sure what that means?
[21:07] <hitsujiTMO> felisfcatus: http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[21:07] <michaelnorman> What is a broken pipe anyway? Obviously has to do with a data interupt
[21:08] <Beldar> !md5sum | quants
[21:08] <michaelnorman> Those netbooks can be so random
[21:08] <michaelnorman> teeency bios
[21:09] <Beldar> quants, Yu want to notice when people ask you multiple questions, and address them accordingly.
[21:09] <Beldar> You*
[21:10] <michaelnorman> quants still there?
[21:13] <quants> michaelnorman  Beldar  jhutchins, its a packard bell DOT SE, 1gb ram, 32-bit OS,
[21:13] <quants> im hear!
[21:15] <coventry> Sorry, RL caught up with me there for a moment.  Asking again:
[21:16] <coventry> I updated a 13.04 machine, and can't get past the encryption key challenge during boot.  I can mount the encrypted drive from a rescue disc by following the cryptsetup instructions "tact" gives in this URL.  How can I diagnose what's failing during boot?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=868681&s=5adf91c296adb0844fdc1ddeb6c7d9ad&p=5448385#post5448385
[21:16] <coventry> hitsujiTMO asked what the output of "lspci -k" is.  It's at http://pastebin.com/Bhj3UUi9
[21:16] <Beldar> quants, The best questions here were asked by jhutchins can you answer these, "how did you load the iso to the usb, and have you checked the md5sum"
[21:17] <coventry> hikmat asked whether my keyboard is screwing up the passphrase: I'm using the same keyboard (the one built into the netbook) during rescue mode, so it's not a hugely likely explanation.
[21:18] <abstract> is there a way to refer to my router via a network interface, specifically to use with tcpdump for monitoring router port traffic
[21:18] <bekks> abstract: your router has to provide such a faciklity.
[21:18] <bekks> *facility
[21:19] <bekks> abstract: keep it in this channel please.
[21:20] <quants> michaelnorman  Beldar  jhutchins, im paying attention lol.  im just getting some info,  ok firstly, yes i just opened the boot menu and the sandisk usb hdd is top of the list.
[21:20] <abstract> noob question then, how do you do the username: reply thing ... cant find it on google? is there like a beginner guide?
[21:21] <GZA-Genius> I am running 14.04, I know its not supported or anything like that I just wanted to pop my head in and see if anyone else has come across this first, usually when I do a cold boot, when system has been off for a good amount of time, when I open the menu there are no applications listed when I type in any to search for them, or if I hit the application button filter it says sorry nothing matches... the usr/share/applications folder is still
[21:21] <GZA-Genius> l full with all the apps and I can run them from there but not the unity menu. Now the even stranger part if I reboot everything goes back to normal and is fine.
[21:21] <bekks> !ubuntu+1 | GZA-Genius
[21:21] <GZA-Genius> ubottu, thankyou!
[21:22] <quants> michaelnorman  Beldar  jhutchins http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop I got the download from hear !
[21:22] <ZeloZelos> join #ubuntu+1
[21:22] <rannonga> abstract: what do you mean username reply thing
[21:23] <abstract> when you just said that it says abstract: ... in red
[21:24] <GZA-Genius> ZeloZelos: got it tnx
[21:24] <rannonga> abstract just type the persons nick, it depends on the irc client what it does
[21:24] <abstract> rannonga: got it, thanks
[21:26] <quants> michaelnorman  Beldar  jhutchins if i enter the boot menu in windows by pressing F12 i see the USB, if i try and get that going it just starts to boot windows again
[21:26] <Beldar> quants, How did you put the iso on the usb?
[21:26] <Kakurady> Where do I file a bug about the "nouveau" display driver and suspend/resume?
[21:27] <Beldar> quants, The download is the iso you will see it on it's name if that helps.
[21:28] <Beldar> quants, Chances are your netbook is also 32 bit is the download 32 bit?
[21:30] <quants> can anybody give me the link I need to build a USB Install drive, i have made one already but im not sure its the correct file as its not working.?
[21:30] <mmf> unetbootin
[21:30] <mmf> I always use unetbootin and works perfectly
[21:30] <mmf> It's cross platform, so it should work for you, whatever OS you're running.
[21:31] <Beldar> quants, http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[21:31] <Beldar> !who |mmf
[21:31] <quants> Bardar i downloaded the 32 bit info
[21:31] <Beldar> quants, You can tab complete nicks, try the unetbootin app to load the usb.
[21:32] <quants> ok Beldar
[21:32] <mmf> Beldar, quants, lol bardar..
[21:33] <Beldar> quants, Did you see the md5sum info from the bot to you?
[21:33] <quants> Beldar sorry im a little slow....
[21:33] <Beldar> mmf, What you posted was hardly helpful, no links and no nicks, it is not a lol on this channel.
[21:35] <mmf> Beldar, I said "lol" because I found funny that he called you Bardar instead of Beldar. Also, I don't think it was very hard for him to google "unetbootin".
[21:35] <skeepnit> what's the difference?
[21:35] <LeeMerriman> How do I get OpenGL working in Ubuntu? Game seems to be crashing due to a lack of it
[21:35] <gogy> I NEED HELP ! can someone please assist me in private window because its easier for me to follow and thanks
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: what GPU do you have?
[21:36] <mmf> Beldar, I didn't know about IRC "ettiquete", so I didn't tab his nick. If there were more people taking, I probably would have done that, but ya..
[21:36] <LeeMerriman> ActionParsnip: GTX Titan
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: sudo lshw -C display ,will tell you
[21:36] <mmf> gogy, you should probably leave the question on this chat though, so we know if we're able to help you or not.
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> Gogy: what is the issue, state your issue and people may advise
[21:37] <LeeMerriman> ActionParsnip: product: GK110 [GeForce GTX Titan]
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: no Intel gpu as well.
[21:37] <werewolve> hello
[21:37] <quants> Beldar - this is the file - ubuntu-12.04.4-desktop-i386 (1).iso
[21:37] <LeeMerriman> ActionParsnip: Not according to that.
[21:38] <werewolve> my ubuntu does not have the eth0 drivers
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: what does it say after 'driver=' ?
[21:38] <werewolve> my ubuntu does not have the eth0 drivers, so i have to install it, can someone help me?
[21:38] <Xaitec> can someone help me fix ubuntu-one?
[21:38] <Beldar> quants, Cool, did you see the md5sum info from the bot as well.
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> werewolve: what Ethernet controller do you use?
[21:38] <malimbar> Xaitec: what's wrong with it?
[21:38] <werewolve> the one on mobo
[21:38] <werewolve> and  one wireless
[21:38] <LeeMerriman> ActionParsnip: configuration: driver=nouveau (Also, Unity is hell.)
[21:39] <Beldar> !details | Xaitec
[21:39] <Xaitec> malimbar, it keeps pausing
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: try: sudo apt-get install nvidia-current ,then reboot
[21:39] <straemer> @Xaitec, I'm getting that problem too. Help on that would be nice :)
[21:39] <Xaitec> running ubuntu 13.10 x64
[21:39] <werewolve> 386
[21:40] <OerHeks> Xaitec, i think you suffer this bug too https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/1282759
[21:40] <Xaitec> it worked fine and then when i added a folder it just keeps pausing
[21:40] <werewolve> i have 2 pc, one lap and a old box
[21:40] <werewolve> the ubuntu is 32
[21:41] <Xaitec> thats not cool p.q
[21:41] <werewolve> ubuntu 32 gets 192.168.2.139 and it should be 192.168.0.somesome
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> werewolve: sudo lshw cC network ,will tell you the Ethernet controller. Simply saying 'onboard' isnt precise enough
[21:41] <werewolve> thanks
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> werewolve: sorry
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> werewolve: sudo lshw -C network
[21:42] <werewolve> ok
[21:43] <quants> Beldar im so confused :(
[21:43] <werewolve> i have pci gigabit ethernet controller, realtek
[21:44] <idgar> help
[21:44] <idgar> oops
[21:44] <Beldar> quants, In what way?
[21:44] <trinode> I'm not sure if this is the best place to ask, but when virtualbox is installed my laptop uses 15W without virtualbox installed it uses < 9W, I'd totally expect it to be the case when VB is running / I have a VM booted, but this is simply installed, not running (except the kernel modules)
[21:44] <trinode> any ideas if that's somehow expected?
[21:45] <idgar> dude, virtualbox virtual machines always "tick" in front of the CPU
[21:45] <compdoc> trinode, must have installed some services that run. what does top show?
[21:45] <trinode> top shows nothing
[21:45] <bekks> Then something is broken, if top shows nothing :)
[21:46] <idgar> top must show virtualbox process
[21:46] <trinode> I'm almost convinced it kernel modules
[21:46] <trinode> idgar: VB IS NOT RUNNING
[21:46] <trinode> simply installed
[21:46] <trinode> and the kernel modules loaded
[21:46] <bekks> idgar: No. Not until a vm is running.
[21:46] <idgar> try ps aux | grep "virtualbox"
[21:46] <trinode> no vm or ui
[21:46] <bekks> trinode: Try unloading the kernel modules.
[21:46] <LeeMerriman> ActionParsnip: Now I just have a blinking underscore
[21:46] <idgar> unloading the kernel modules can be a smart idea
[21:46] <idgar> quit
[21:47] <quants> Beldar ok, i think i have the correct file now, (ubuntu-12.04.4-desktop-i386 (1).iso), now what do i have to do with it to get it to load?  sorry information overload :)
[21:47] <vooze> Hey guys. I need to patch my system (or possible linux kernel) with the patch from this: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64541 - how do I patch?
[21:48] <mmf> quants, Have you downloaded unetbootin?
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> !patch | vooze
[21:49] <gogy> I have same as this problem  but with TP-link TLWN422G    http://askubuntu.com/questions/148459/12-04-bcm4312-and-aireplay-ng-airodump-ng
[21:50] <LeeMerriman> ActionParsnip: I have nothing but a blinking _ on my screen now..
[21:50] <Beldar> quants, Try using unetbootin to put the iso on the usb http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: try booting to root recovery mode and run: nvidia-xconfig; reboot
[21:50] <LeeMerriman> ActionParsnip: How?
[21:50] <Blanco_> re
[21:50] <hikmat> I am using this as late_command in ubuntu preseeding file but failing to execute what's wrong with this >>>>.d-i preseed/late_command string echo 'vagrant   ALL=(ALL)  ALL' >> /etc/sudoers && echo 'UseDNS no' >> /etc/ssh/sshd_config && mkdir /home/vagrant/.ssh && wget -O /home/vagrant/.ssh/authorized_keys 'https://raw.github.com/mitchellh/vagrant/master/keys/vagrant.pub' && chmod 755...
[21:50] <hikmat> .../home/vagrant/.ssh && chmod 644 /home/vagrant/.ssh/authorized_keys && chown -R vagrant:vagrant /home/vagrant/.ssh
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> werewolve: ok, run lspci ,maybe that will help identify the chip.
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: hold SHIFT at boot.
[21:51] <gogy> I have same as this problem  but with TP-link TLWN422G    http://askubuntu.com/questions/148459/12-04-bcm4312-and-aireplay-ng-airodump-ng
[21:51] <LeeMerriman> ActionParsnip: Error unable to write to directory
[21:52] <gogy> I have same as this problem  but with TP-link TLWN422G    http://askubuntu.com/questions/148459/12-04-bcm4312-and-aireplay-ng-airodump-ng   HELP ???
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: run: mount -o remont,rw /; nvidia-xconfig; reboot
[21:53] <Beldar> gogy, wifi cracking tools are not supported here.
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> hikmat: why 644 on the SsH key file? Why would youbwan other users to have any access to your SSH key files?
[21:54] <quants> Beldar mmf sorry guys its the end of a 17 hour day for me :/ ill get there in the end.
[21:54] <LeeMerriman> ActionParsnip: Same blinking line
[21:55] <mmf> quants, try this link http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/install-linux-with-ease-using-unetbootin/
[21:55] <mmf> hopefully it explains things enough to get you moving! :P
[21:56] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: then i would uninstall the nvidia named packages and delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:56] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: you may need the remount command again
[21:56] <guntbert> hikmat: thats difficult to read in the channel - better use a pastebin
[21:56] <mmf> quants, Ignore my last link and check this one instead: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/using-unetbootin-to-create-a-linux-usb-from-linux/
  DO you mean i shouldn't have  installed  aircrack suite under ubuntu  ??
[21:57] <mmf> quants, go to method 2, as you already downloaded the iso.
[21:57] <Beldar> gogy, You can do what you want, however the support of getting it to work/crack is not here is all.
[21:58] <Beldar> gogy, The install part is supported if needed, but the use is not is all.
[21:59] <gogy>  <Beldar>  it's not working means it's not been installed correctly !!
[22:01] <Beldar> gogy, Just a fine line of support is all. We don't know how you will use it, like to check your own stuff, or crack a neighbor or someone in the general public, so we have limitations.
[22:01] <LeeMerriman> ActionParsnip: How do I remove the Nvidia packages
 I am doing penetration testing at  my home in my AP ,
[22:04] <olskolirc> are you on Kali gogy?
[22:04] <Beldar> gogy, I have never used it so can't help there, my responses have been to point out the limitations the channel has is all.
[22:04] <gogy>  <olskolirc> no
[22:04] <Beldar> !tab | gogy
[22:05] <OerHeks> gogy, you need to do some reading, not all wireless adapters/drivers support those testingtools
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: sudo apt-get --purge remove `dpkg -l | grep nvidia | awk {'print $2'}`
[22:06] <LeeMerriman|2> ActionParsnip: Well, I deleted nvidia-* and deleted X11.conf and I'm back with a GUI now, so there's that..
[22:07] <quants> Beldar: this sucks!
[22:08] <quants> Beldar: Im too tired to focus, thanks for your help but ill have to get this sorted another time :)
[22:09] <Beldar> quants, Can be frustrating, if you have any friends dual booting I would work with them.
[22:10] <LeeMerriman> ActionParsnip: Do I try installing them again or?
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: that will take you back where you were a minute ago.....
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: what is the output of: cat /etc/issue
[22:11] <Beldar> quants, Just getting the iso on the usb and booted is the easiest part, you may have to do some more work that is much harder. For example I would bet the HD has 4 primary partitions, so you will have to move things around to get a ubuntu installed.
[22:11] <LeeMerriman> ActionParsnip: Ubuntu 13.10 \n \l
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: does the system have a make and model?
[22:12] <LeeMerriman> ActionParsnip: If you mean mine, it's a custom-built gaming PC.
[22:13] <hikmat> guntbert: thanks
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: i see. Not sure. You'll probably need the propriatary video driver to make it run better.
[22:15] <LeeMerriman> ActionParsnip: I downloaded from the nvidia website, but it's a .run file and I have no idea what to do with that so..
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: if you feel brave, you could try the xorg edgers update ppa (less fresh more stable)
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: if you drop to root recovery mode you can run that file from nvidia, it is a binary. You'll need to mark it executable
[22:17] <Grzy7316> I am trying to get ubuntu working on this laptop
[22:17] <Grzy7316> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ideapad-s415-touch-14-touch-screen-laptop-4gb-memory-500gb-hard-drive/3002005.p;jsessionid=D2BFB628E6117AEEF2BACCA4664CBE0E.bbolsp-app02-109?id=1219085626825&skuId=3002005&st=lenovo%20s415%20touch&cp=1&lp=1
[22:17] <Grzy7316> I tried both ubuntu and kubuntu images, neither one would boot
[22:18] <rannonga> Grzy7316: SECURE BOOT
[22:18] <Grzy7316> alrewady diabled it
[22:18] <wonderworld> LeeMerriman: cd /path/to/nvidia-run-file; chmod +x ./*.run; ./*.run
[22:18] <Grzy7316> also, when I error checed my image, it said errors found in one file. I redownloaded the image and made a new unetbootin error, still getting the same thing
[22:20] <Ben64> LeeMerriman: so why are you not using the driver in the repositories?
[22:20] <MastermindL> TJ-, I have an idea to save my drive: what if I install ubuntu on it and see what happens? it seems it is letting me do it
[22:20] <LeeMerriman> Ben64: Is there a driver i nthe repo somewhere that isn't going to explode X again?
[22:21] <Ben64> LeeMerriman: define "explode"
[22:22] <LeeMerriman> Ben64: ActionParsnip had me install nvidia-latest or something similar and all I had after that was a blinking _ until I deleted X11.conf and uninstalled nvidia-*
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> Grzy7316: try the boot option: radeon.blacklist=1
[22:23] <Grzy7316> ok. will do
[22:23] <Grzy7316> how do I set boot options?
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> Grzy7316: changing between Ubuntu and Kubuntu will not make it boot diffetent. Under the hood they a 100% the same, only the default desktop is different. That bit never loads so is not a fix
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> !bootoptions | Grzy7316
[22:25] <Grzy7316> I just know I had issues with some drivers in the past on kubuntu that worked on ubuntu.
[22:25] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: could try the bleeding edge PPA, may help. Could try the file you have downloaded
[22:26] <Beldar> Grzy7316, Just to be thorough, have you seen the uefi wiki as well?
[22:26] <LeeMerriman> ActionParsnip: I haven't used Ubuntu in a very long time, could you possibly explain more (How to try it, etc)
[22:26] <luilakde1e> Hello. I'm using gnome classic, nvidia proprietary drivers and I'm having immense issues with tearing. Currently trying to watch a lower quality video, but the tearing is just unbearable. Any ideas as how to solve this?
[22:27] <Grzy7316> I have looked at it before
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: its a 3rd party package source. A websearch will tell you this. Not used the internet to research new terms in a ling time either?
[22:28] <LeeMerriman> Oh good, glad to see the amount of "helpers" who turn to assholes so suddenly hasn't changed a bit. Yay.
[22:28] <IdleOne> LeeMerriman: Please keep the language clean
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install nvidia-graphics-drivers-331
[22:29] <julianmia> I am trying to install Ubuntu 13.10 on my laptop alongside Windows XP Home edition. I installed the CD boot helper because the laptop wouldn't boot from my flash drive and installed ubuntu on /dev/sda6 with swap space on /dev/sda5. Anyways, I installed Ubuntu and it isn't showing up in the boot menu. Is the linux partition style not recognized by Windows? What can I do to get Ubuntu working?
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> LeeMerriman: you are asking questions which you can find out online rather than tie up helpers when its something you can so easily find out yourself.
[22:30] <ActionParsnip> julianmia: XP has about 90 days support left. Why not take this opportunity to get rid
[22:31] <julianmia> ActionPartnership: I'm donating the computer
[22:31] <LeeMerriman> And now I remember why I switched away from Ubuntu. Dicks everywhereeeeeee
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> julianmia: you can use a burning software to make a liveCD of the ISO you downloaded?
[22:32] <julianmia> ActionParsnip: I used UNetBootin to install the live cd iso image on my flash drive.
[22:33] <grisza> whats the best book for starting study java ?
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> grisza: try in #java
[22:34] <grisza> ActionParsnip, can You expalin ?
[22:34] <ActionParsnip> julianmia: did you MD5 test the ISO you downloaded?
[22:34] <ActionParsnip> grisza: this is Ubuntu support.
[22:34] <julianmia> ActionParsnip: What is that?
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> grisza: so asking about Java books is not Ubuntu support, its Java. So the Java channel will be able to advise
[22:35] <grisza> ok sorry
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> !md5 | julianmia
[22:35] <grisza> join #java
[22:35] <CygnusX1> I have a question about an error on 12.04 lts
[22:36] <CygnusX1> Om boot, I get the  *ERROR* mismatch in gmch_pfit.lvds_border_bits (expected 32768, found 0)
[22:36] <julianmia> CyngusXL:me too
[22:36] <ActionParsnip> CygnusX1: are there any bugs reported?
[22:37] <basketball> hey my pc only has 1 gb of ram if i add more swap space does that increase ram
[22:37] <daftykins> no
[22:37] <CygnusX1> yes, I have seen it a lot but no fix
[22:37] <daftykins> basketball: it increases the potential for you to pull your hair out at an incredibly slow PC
[22:38] <Beldar> basketball, No it increases swap
[22:38] <ActionParsnip> CygnusX1: i suggest you subscribe to one and add a "this affects me too" comment
[22:38] <Beldar> basketball, You have to add more memory to have more memory.
[22:38] <mybuntu> win 1
[22:39] <basketball> Beldar,  how do i add virtual ram like in windows
[22:39] <CygnusX1> ok
[22:39] <greeter> i never really understood how swap space worked... truthfully i followed an article to set my swap size :-S
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> basketball: you will want at least 2Gb swap. With 1Gb RAM I would swap from Gnome to LXDE if you are using Gnome
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> greeter: do you know about page files in Windows?
[22:40] <TJ-> CygnusX1: julianmia It is a known issue and those Intel driver bugs are still being worked out as we speak; they affect Linux 3.13 as well
[22:40] <Beldar> basketball, never heard of it, and it can't be even close to what ram is in it's speed. Find the max the computer allows and buy it.
[22:40] <julianmia> yeah
[22:40] <basketball> ActionParsnip,  i want to be able to run another instance of ubuntu in vm
[22:40] <CygnusX1> Thank you TJ
[22:40] <greeter> afraid not ActionParsnip, i haven't used windows since 2003, forgotten most of what i knew
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> basketball: withn1Gb RAM you will struggle
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> Greeter: RAM fills with data and applications. The swap is then used. Data is sapped from the RAM to the swap space on the disk and the data to be worked on is moved to RAM.
[22:41] <nikolam> I have trouble deleting one BTRFS subvolume (I am now on 13.10, but it is leftover form 12.04->12.10 upgrade), it is called "@apt-snapshot-release-upgrade-quantal-2012-11-20_09:07:40" and I can not delete it
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> greeter: when the stuff in swap is needed, some of the data in RAM is swapped to the swap space and the data is moved from swap to the RAM
[22:42] <Beldar> nikolam, You on a live cd/usb doing it?
[22:42] <greeter> ok, hence the name swap
[22:42] <ecdhe> has anyone here written a ./configure file before?
[22:42] <nikolam> Beldar, no, I am booted from that BTRFS
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> greeter: why do you think your drive thrashes when you run a lot of applications?
[22:42] <basketball> ActionParsnip,  where is ram cheap
[22:42] <TJ-> CygnusX1: julianmia For the background see https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/1/7/452
[22:42] <Beldar> nikolam, You have to have in dismounted to delete.
[22:43] <ecdhe> As in, `./configure && make' ?
[22:43] <Beldar> it*
[22:43] <greeter> i've never given it much thought to be honest. my computer is so old that i can't run a lot of applications anyway
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> basketball: everywhere. You can get another 1Gb for the price of 2 beers.
[22:43] <Grzy7316> using radeon.blacklist=1 still did not do the trick. I am still getting a black screen no backlight
[22:43] <nikolam> Beldar, you think I could delete it if I boot from live media?  Since i have active @ as boot subvolume
[22:43] <basketball> ActionParsnip,  how much is ram
[22:43] <nikolam> ok then Beldar
[22:43] <Beldar> nikolam, Can't be deleted if mounted at the least, use a live cd
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> basketball: about 10 - 15 pounds for a gig or two
[22:44] <basketball> us
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> Grzy7316: you could try: nomodeset
[22:44] <nikolam> Ok, I will use live CD, but I don't understand how it is mounted, when I use @ mounted at /
[22:44] <Grzy7316> will  try that next
[22:44] <basketball> ActionParsnip,  what is swap
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> basketball: wat do you mean 'us'
[22:45] <julianmia> ActionParsnip:lots of errors like no such file or directory or can't open file.
[22:45] <Beldar> nikolam, If I understand you, you are on the partition you want to delete am I correct?
[22:45] <hewhomust> united states
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> basketball: virtual memory on the drive used when physical ram fills up
[22:45] <basketball> so can i use that to run vm
[22:45] <nikolam> Beldar, System is booted from @ subvolume, like it supposed to. And ther is one other subvolume, leftover snapshot from previous upgrades
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> basketball: yes but your drive is dog slow compared to ram. It will thrash like mad and both host and guest OS will run badly
[22:46] <greeter> basketball: it seems to me if running a vm, you should never use more than half of your physical ram if it can be avoided. that offers best performance
[22:46] <nikolam> it is not partition what is a matter. Btrfs have unlimited number of subvolumes, separate mountable file systems and one happens to be root, thet is @
[22:46] <Beldar> nikolam, I have never used that file system, hardly anyone here has as well so all I can say is a mounted partition wont delete.
[22:47] <basketball> greeter, ubuntu takes 500mb so 500 + 500 = 1 gb
[22:47] <MastermindL> guys, do you have any ideas about how to access a HDD that shows partition table as unrecognized and I can create partition table on gparted because it says unrecognised disk label ?
[22:47] <basketball> greeter,  i dont have that]
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> basketball: cpuld use Lubuntu :-)
[22:47] <MastermindL> can't*
[22:47] <nikolam> Beldar, ok thank anyway, but since it could be able to use it by default during install in 14.04, you should get used to it.
[22:47] <greeter> i use lubuntu because i thought regular ubuntu required at least 1 gig of ram. i only have half that
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> basketball: to get any sort of performance you'll need more RAM
[22:49] <Beldar> nikolam, lol, what a bogus statement good luck.
[22:50] <Beldar> btrfs will not be a default in ubuntu for a very long time
[22:51] <Grzy7316> When I put nomodeset into the parameters on booting, it goes through the splah screen and then leaves me at a terminal. Its progress, but when I try tostart x server, I get Fatal server error, no screens found
[22:52] <nikolam> Beldar, well it could be in SUSE enterprise, Oracle Linux and I think RedHat. and I got some confirmation before, it could be used by default in 14.04, so..  :P
[22:53] <nikolam> I have it since 12.04 but upgraded to 12.10 at a time for soem features (live migration from raid0 to raid1 :P
[22:55] <Beldar> Grzy7316, I notice you are not using the nicks of who you answer, you get lost this way, you can tab complete nicks.
[22:55] <Beldar> Grzy7316, Have you summed the iso's you have downloaded?
[22:56] <Grzy7316> going to do that now
[22:56] <Beldar> !who | Grzy7316 just a reminder
[22:57] <basketball> what is the command to install virtual machine
[22:57] <basketball> !virtualbox
[22:57] <Grzy7316> Beldar sorry about that
[22:58] <Beldar> Grzy7316, No biggie, just want you to get installed. ;)
[22:59] <Grzy7316> Beldar, I just checked the MD5 sums, and they are the same
[23:00] <Beldar> Grzy7316, So is this still a no boot?
[23:00] <wafflejock__> basketball: I have walk through doing some web development tool setup inside of VirtualBox here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQNbsCTFrAA might be helpful, basically you are just installing VirtualBox then making a new disk image file and installing Ubuntu using an ISO
[23:01] <Grzy7316> I am booted, I just have no working x server
[23:02] <Beldar> Grzy7316, booted to a cli right?
[23:02] <Grzy7316> Beldar I am booted, jusst no x server
[23:02] <Grzy7316> yes
[23:02] <Grzy7316> and when I try to start x, it gives me an error and tells me to check the log, but when I try to open tyhe log I get permission denied
[23:03] <al_exquemelin> part
[23:03] <julianmia> I am trying to install Ubuntu 13.10 on my laptop alongside Windows XP Home edition. I installed the CD boot helper because the laptop wouldn't boot from my flash drive and installed ubuntu on /dev/sda6 with swap space on /dev/sda5. Anyways, I installed Ubuntu and it isn't showing up in the boot menu. Is the linux partition style not recognized by Windows? What can I do to get Ubuntu working?
[23:03] <Beldar> Grzy7316, Not sure where to go from there. If it were me I would be looking on the web with that computer model and the release, looking for others with the same problem, askubuntu is a good search for this stuff.
[23:04] <Grzy7316> Beldar I havebeen looking for this model, have yet to find much of anything
[23:04] <Beldar> Grzy7316, This a usb? If so how are you loading it?
[23:04] <Grzy7316> I am loading it on with unetbootin from on my windows machine
[23:04] <basketball> nothing else is open Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[23:05] <Grzy7316> beldar sorry I keep forgetting to put names in when replying
[23:05] <Beldar> Grzy7316, I would try another usb loader to just knock out variables, pendrivelinux has several.
[23:06] <Beldar> Grzy7316, takes a bit to get used to the nicks, you are doing fine. ;)
[23:06] <Grzy7316> Beldar ok. I will give that a go. I just set up a desktop server for use at home, and have been setting up ubuntu boxes since hoary. This is sadly the first time ive ever run into a problem where I had to try to ask for help
[23:07] <Grzy7316> I may look into trying to make a usb installer on my kubuntu box
[23:08] <Beldar> Grzy7316, Hmm, that is strange, I suspect it is a uefi thing maybe, here is a good thread on multiple options and vendors. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295 Just a guess though since it is a no X scenario
[23:09] <Beldar> Grzy7316, Is the startup disc creator on kubuntu?
[23:10] <julianmia> I am trying to install Ubuntu 13.10 on my laptop alongside Windows XP Home edition. I installed the CD boot helper because the laptop wouldn't boot from my flash drive and installed ubuntu on /dev/sda6 with swap space on /dev/sda5. Anyways, I installed Ubuntu and it isn't showing up in the boot menu. Is the linux partition style not recognized by Windows? What can I do to get Ubuntu working?
[23:10] <Grzy7316> Beldar I would have to step over to my server to check. give me a moment
[23:10] <Beldar> Grzy7316, It is a gui is all.
[23:11] <Beldar> julianmia, You can still boot the live ubuntu?
[23:11] <unstable> On ubuntu I can tile windows by doing control + alt + numpad, that works great. How can i do the same thing on my laptop when I have no numpad?
[23:12] <julianmia> Beldar: Yes, only when the flash drive is connected to the laptop
[23:12] <nikolam> Beldar, trick with undeletable Btrfs subvolume, was to mount it again at separate location (/mnt) with -osubvolid=0 option (sudo mount -osubvolid=0 /dev/sdb6 /mnt) and then one can delete affecting subvolume from there (ls /mnt, sudo btrfs subvolume delete /mnt/@apt-snapshot-release-upgrade-quantal-2012-11-20_09:07:40) :))
[23:12] <Beldar> julianmia, Use this app to see if it fixes the boot, save the bootinfo summary for additional help if needed. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[23:13] <fhf> Hi. My friend is having trouble with PlayOnLinux. It keeps saying  "unable to find 32 bit opengl libraries" while libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa-glx are installed. Anyone know sollutino?
[23:13] <jbm> unstable my laptop has a number pad embedded in the regular alphanumeric keys. i hit the FN key to active it
[23:14] <unstable> jbm: right, but this ubuntu hotkey specifically uses the numpad keys
[23:15] <SailorR> how do I find out where irssi was installed on my system?
[23:15] <SailorR> from the terminal
[23:15] <unstable> not the number keys above qwerty, which I also have
[23:15] <SailorR> im looking for where the scripts would be placed
[23:15] <unstable> jbm: nevermind, I found it. control + super + lrud
[23:16] <wafflejock__> SailorR: you can use dpkg -L to see the contents of a particular package you installed, not famiilar with irssi though
[23:17] <SailorR> thx
[23:17] <unstable> hmm, it doesn't let me resize into a corner position though.
[23:17] <Grzy7316> Beldar I do have the startup disk creator, I will attempt that if an attempt with uui doesnt work
[23:18] <wafflejock__> unstable: should be ctrl+alt+numpad I believe, using KDE/Kubuntu now so I had to do some things to get it working here too (numpad bug)
[23:20] <unstable> wafflejock__: I'm on a laptop without a numpad
[23:21] <wafflejock__> unstable: ah gotcha believe you may need to get ccsm the compiz config settings manager to more easily change the keybindings if you want to set something up for snap to corners
[23:22] <serrus_> anyone use gnome classic as their DE?
[23:28] <spectre> hello
[23:32] <Beldar> !anyone | serrus_
[23:39] <Beldar> !away > a1|away
[23:49] <User2> Hi guys, will ubuntu 14.04 support standard the ability to tag files in the file-browser
[23:53] <daftykins> !trusty | User2
[23:53] <kikjezrous> i haven't heard of it; but i'd like it.
[23:54] <kikjezrous> you should look into nautilus's planned release notes, or whatever 14.04 is transitioning to