[03:15] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[03:15] <valorie> hi ahoneybun
[03:15] <ahoneybun> valorie: http://imgur.com/2LoPYXm
[03:16] <valorie> what is that?
[03:16] <ahoneybun> screenshot from the new devil may cry game
[03:16] <valorie> ah
[03:17] <valorie> looks like KDE on the desktop....
[03:17] <ahoneybun> mix of kubuntu, lubuntu, ubuntu, xubuntu lol
[03:17] <ahoneybun> and windows
[03:17] <ahoneybun> 98/vista/7
[03:17] <valorie> I'm not sure what you mean by "a mix" -- anybody can use anything in the repos
[03:18] <valorie> that doesn't make a mix
[03:18] <ahoneybun> of course but if you change a theme on the border of the windows it applies to alll the windows
[03:18] <valorie> ok
[03:19] <valorie> so you are saying your theme looks like a mix
[03:19] <ahoneybun> not mine
[03:19] <ahoneybun> that is in game
[03:19] <ahoneybun> not on my desktop
[03:20] <ahoneybun> anyway got to make a backup of my desktop
[03:20] <ahoneybun> brb
[03:25] <ahoneybun> seems clonezilla needs to be ran on a linux system
[03:58] <valorie> I finally watched all of http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/fosdem//2014/H1302_Depage/Saturday/Do_you_have_to_be_brain_damaged_to_care_about_desktop_Linux.webm
[03:58] <valorie> really excellent talk, Riddell
[08:31] <shadeslayer> morning
[08:36] <Riddell> thanks valorie 
[08:36] <Riddell> hola shadeslayer dd
[08:36] <shadeslayer> dd?
[08:36] <Riddell> ¿que tal?
[08:36] <valorie> we're getting an exact copy of shadeslayer?
[08:37] <jussi> NOOOO
[08:37] <Riddell> dd if=shadeslayer of=jussi
[08:37] <jussi> valorie: did you see the female shirts arrived? 
[08:37] <jussi> NOOO! 
[08:37] <shadeslayer> Interesting, Nokia released Android phones
[08:37] <jussi> yeah... weird
[08:37] <valorie> bbbbut I already bought a shirt!
[08:37] <jussi> shadeslayer: guess MS strategy has moved to services
[08:37] <valorie> I looked at the page but I thought we were getting tshirts this time out
[08:37] <shadeslayer> I reckon so
[08:38]  * shadeslayer looks at cards
[08:38] <jussi> valorie: no, next time we will have something different. 
[08:38] <valorie> Riddell: do you know of any KDE people in London?
[08:38] <valorie> spstarr is there, and lonely
[08:39] <jussi> shadeslayer: in anycase, I suspect thtis new android fork is what will replace the old symbian crap
[08:39] <valorie> he should have written to the UK KDE contact!
[08:39] <shadeslayer> yeah
[08:39] <Riddell> valorie: tell him to come and see my award in edinburgh on wednesday :)
[08:39] <shadeslayer> jussi: thought even more interesting is Mozilla's 25 USD phone
[08:39] <jussi> shadeslayer: link?
[08:39] <shadeslayer> I'm pretty sure people will buy that in India :P
[08:39] <Riddell> valorie: he can ask on the mailing list http://lists.quaker.eu.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-gb
[08:39] <jussi> shadeslayer: very likely
[08:40] <shadeslayer> jussi: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Mozilla-signs-a-deal-to-make-the-worlds-cheapest-smartphone-25-Firefox-OS-device-with-3.5-screen-and-HTML5-apps_id52963
[08:40] <valorie> he wants quakers?
[08:40] <shadeslayer> hm
[08:40] <shadeslayer> slide actually says USD 25+
[08:40] <valorie> oh, you have a KDE list on a quaker server
[08:40] <valorie> interesting
[08:41]  * shadeslayer is sad, no passes for MWC
[08:45] <Riddell> hi agateau, how were the pists?
[08:46] <agateau> Riddell: hi, it was awesome
[08:46] <agateau> but I am so tired, I am getting old
[08:46] <valorie> pssssh
[08:47] <agateau> :)
[08:47]  * valorie is old; you are young!
[08:48] <agateau> I am just lacking exercise then, 5 hours of snowboard + carrying skis and equipment for the oldest daughter every day for a week is a bit too much for me :)
[08:48] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:49] <apachelogger> yofel_, shadeslayer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/1283882
[08:49] <apachelogger> I think we'll need /var/log/apt, but it appears that something made kdecore5 fail prior to this report
[08:50] <apachelogger> namely Error: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly in the previous session
[08:50] <apachelogger> which might indicate a file conflict in kdecore
[08:50] <valorie> agateau: she should carry her own equipment!
[08:50] <valorie> when I was a skier from age 4 on, I carried my own
[08:50] <agateau> at one point she will. She already carried a bit of it
[08:51] <valorie> cool
[08:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/QKxhGVm.jpg << More incentive to come to Barcelona
[08:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where's that?
[08:51] <valorie> oh gorgeous
[08:52] <shadeslayer> Monsterrat
[08:52] <apachelogger> looks like kitten summer
[08:52] <apachelogger> this is wrong
[08:52] <apachelogger> just wrong
[08:52] <shadeslayer> or some variation of that word
[08:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: flight is booked, 25 June
[08:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what's kitten summer ? xD
[08:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: \o/
[08:52]  * jussi waves to agateau
[08:52] <valorie> where the monastery is, shadeslayer?
[08:52] <shadeslayer> valorie: yep
[08:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: fucking summer
[08:52]  * agateau waves back at jussi
[08:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :D
[08:53]  * shadeslayer had a nice chat with economists on the train ride over there
[08:54]  * jussi pm's agateau
[08:54] <apachelogger> what scripty generates our buildstatus html?
[08:54] <apachelogger> and can that scripty use ppas?
[08:55] <shadeslayer> valorie: http://i.imgur.com/l2W3Lhx.jpg
[08:55] <shadeslayer> that's on the train ride over to the monastery
[08:55] <valorie> so beautiful
[08:55] <valorie> I could travel in spain for months
[08:56] <valorie> but damn, summer is HOT
[08:56] <shadeslayer> yep, you could see quite far
[08:56] <shadeslayer> since it was a clear day
[08:56] <shadeslayer> not a single cloud in sight
[08:58] <shadeslayer> valorie: I also went to Casa Mila and it was *amazing*
[08:59]  * valorie googles
[08:59] <valorie> oh, Gaudi, yes
[08:59] <valorie> I didn't get to stay in spain long enough
[09:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/FGiQkDd.jpg
[09:00] <valorie> I see why people retire there
[09:01] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[09:01] <valorie> but it's rare to find people speaking english
[09:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is that clouds?
[09:01] <valorie> and my spanish is nearly non-existant
[09:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah
[09:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but it rained for 10 minutes that dayy
[09:02] <shadeslayer> which is why clouds
[09:02] <apachelogger> you know, from that POV barca looks an awful loot like Graz 
[09:02] <valorie> apachelogger: I hear it's good to fly into Vienna and take a bus to Brno
[09:03] <valorie> a few days in Vienna sounds amazing
[09:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: heh
[09:04] <apachelogger> valorie: that's pretty much the only way to get to Brno in any sort of sensible time frame
[09:05] <apachelogger> considerable close to the austrian border
[09:05] <valorie> akademy is never "sensible"
[09:05] <valorie> :-)
[09:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Graz_Austria_pano_from_Schlossberg.jpg
[09:05] <valorie> so far, fun, valuable, and exhausting
[09:06] <shadeslayer> ENOSEA
[09:06] <apachelogger> you just don't see it
[09:07] <shadeslayer> I see
[09:07] <shadeslayer> anyway back to work
[09:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-driver-manager/+bug/1280773 < there's no way to overload reset?
[09:10] <apachelogger> reset calls load() I think
[09:10] <shadeslayer> yeah
[09:11] <shadeslayer> but no way to do processing before it calls load?
[09:11] <shadeslayer> because my widgets are not deleted before load is called .. so ...
[09:13] <apachelogger> perhaps load should do that then :P
[09:14] <shadeslayer> h,,
[09:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw if you have time I think we'll want SRUs preped and uploaded to experimental for the Qt thing
[09:14] <shadeslayer> write me a card
[09:14] <apachelogger> a lot of SRUs
[09:14] <valorie> apachelogger: you aren't interested in being the KDE contact person for Austria?
[09:15] <valorie> oops, why did I say it like that
[09:15] <valorie> shall I sign you up then, apachelogger?
[09:15] <valorie> Werner Trobin says he can't do it
[09:15] <apachelogger> valorie: krake is much more contacty than me :P
[09:15] <apachelogger> Keven Krammer
[09:15] <valorie> ah!
[09:16] <valorie> I'll try him
[09:16] <apachelogger> also much more Austrian fwiw :P
[09:16] <valorie> pfff
[09:17] <valorie> I'll bet you waltz with the best of them
[09:17] <shadeslayer> jussi: lol https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7289600
[09:20] <jussi> haha
[09:22] <jussi> "So Microsoft has a Linux distro. Interesting." 
[09:22] <jussi> :D
[10:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/1283882 < 13.04 is EOL?
[10:33] <shadeslayer> jussi: get anywhere with the tablet?
[10:34] <jussi> shadeslayer: no, I went to sleep last night :P Hopefully this week (maybe tomorrow) Ill be playing with it
[10:34] <shadeslayer> sweet
[10:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ah yes, eol indeed
[10:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Bugs/Responses#A13.04
[10:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: right
[10:39] <Quintasan> Off we go to the drawing lot!
[10:39] <shadeslayer> drawing lot?
[10:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-driver-manager/+bug/1284042 tell him that we appreciate the report and that ok = apply and close; apply=apply; and close the bug as invalid, if his issue is of a different nature he shall feel free to reopen the bug report.
[10:41] <apachelogger> Quintasan: sounds fancy
[10:41] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ICT 101 third exam attempt
[10:41] <apachelogger> I drew a plymouth screen the other day
[10:41] <Quintasan> the one where the lecturer (apparently) throws d6 and that's your grade
[10:41] <apachelogger> because the calculation was terribly wrong and got me confused
[10:41] <apachelogger> the drawing is really quite fancy
[10:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Bugs/Responses#Removed_Package
[10:43] <apachelogger> if you send boilerplate comments, at least use the !rude template boilerplate response :P
[10:43] <shadeslayer> didn't realize we had a boilerplate response
[10:43] <shadeslayer> also, not rude, just straight to the point IMHO
[10:43] <Quintasan> Nor did I
[10:43] <Quintasan> me adds to bookmarks
[10:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, that's rude
[10:44] <shadeslayer> :(
[10:44] <apachelogger> bug triage is like herding cats
[10:44] <apachelogger> it's why I am always exclusively rude on bug comments
[10:44] <apachelogger> see, I don't like cats
[10:44] <shadeslayer> nor do I
[10:44] <apachelogger> sorry to say, but that's the truth :P
[10:44] <apachelogger> fwiw btw
[10:45] <apachelogger> the responses page is there since 2010 or whenever we revised the triage policy :p
[10:45]  * apachelogger looks at top crashers in trusty
[10:54] <jussi> Riddell: did you find Nim's size already ? 
[10:54] <jussi> apachelogger: plasma! :D
[10:55] <apachelogger> jussi: not according to our hard metrics
[10:55] <jussi> apachelogger: thats a suprise... perhaps people just dont bother to report it anymore...
[10:55] <jussi> apachelogger: what is top right now ?
[10:55] <apachelogger> jussi: I am talking about automatic submissions
[10:55] <apachelogger> so unless people explicitly request it not to be reported it will be reported
[10:56] <apachelogger> top is a crash in muon-updater/qapt
[10:57] <Riddell> jussi: a medium I'm told
[10:57] <jussi> Riddell: order coming soon then? :D
[10:59] <jussi> btw, do we have any software that you cann share todo lists? Id like to have something that my wife can add to... (and I can add to hers...)
[11:00] <Riddell> doesn't kontact do that?
[11:02] <apachelogger> second is a crash also in muon-updater/qapt where an assert fails because of resources that cannot be resolved
[11:02] <apachelogger> both in line with what I see upstream
[11:02] <apachelogger> then there is the qt crash (that will manifest in plasma) WRT qaccessibility (as seen on the mailing list)
[11:12] <jussi> Riddell: Kontact does todo's, but sharing? never seen it/cant find it... 
[11:16] <boom1992> hey :) are there packages of the new muon-alpha available somewhere?
[11:17] <Riddell> boom1992: sure, in trusty
[11:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: digikam fails because of opencv https://launchpadlibrarian.net/167370563/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.digikam_4%3A3.5.0-0ubuntu9_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz :'<
[11:21] <Riddell> bah
[11:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: there's a whole bunch of not installed stuff
[11:22] <apachelogger> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/165785684/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.opencv_2.4.8%2Bdfsg-1ubuntu1_UPLOADING.txt.gz
[11:22] <apachelogger> search for     dh_install: usr/share/OpenCV/OpenCVModules-release.cmake exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere
[11:22] <apachelogger> samples I guess is intentional
[11:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: want to fix or shall I?
[11:23] <apachelogger> I am not sure that makes sense either though
[11:23] <apachelogger> libopencv-dev contains ./usr/bin/opencv_createsamples, which judging from the name probably will do something with the samples
[11:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: if you have time, I am currently looking at trusty crashes at large
[11:24] <Riddell> I'll take opencv
[11:25] <apachelogger> thank you
[11:25] <apachelogger> does anyone know why q_asserts don't bite anymore?
[11:25] <apachelogger> or did they never?
[11:25]  * apachelogger seems to recall asserts working just fine :/
[11:26] <apachelogger> oh, muon also broken
[11:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll fix muon real quick
[11:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6986503/
[11:32] <shadeslayer> review plz
[11:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 1284072
[11:33] <shadeslayer> has fix for 1282461 in it
[11:34] <apachelogger> bug 1282461
[11:34] <apachelogger> didn't I already review that?
[11:35] <apachelogger> if all occurances of m_l10nCheckBox have a related version for driver there, then the fix is good
[11:35] <apachelogger> still needs to be tested regardless
[11:36] <apachelogger> jussi: oh, btw, I think you can actually view the overiew page https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2014.04&user=kubuntu-bugs&period=year
[11:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nope, and yeah it does
[11:39] <shadeslayer> let me test it once more
[11:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I also implemented the card where you mention that the kcm should write PCI valuew
[11:40] <shadeslayer> *values
[11:41] <shadeslayer> and read them in the kded
[11:41] <apachelogger> nice
[11:41] <apachelogger> well
[11:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: TBH, I'd have put both in the kded
[11:41] <apachelogger> though I guess kcm makes even more sense
[11:41] <shadeslayer> that's what you wrote in the card :)
[11:41] <apachelogger> depending on when you write the values anyway :P
[11:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I did?
[11:41] <apachelogger> scary
[11:41]  * apachelogger reads
[11:42] <shadeslayer> well it's PCI_VALUE=true
[11:42] <apachelogger> huh?
[11:42] <apachelogger> ah yes, I expressed myself badly in the card
[11:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6986533/
[11:42] <apachelogger> PCI_VALUE=true seems weird tho
[11:42] <shadeslayer> oh?
[11:43] <apachelogger> ah
[11:43] <apachelogger> yeah, makes sense
[11:43] <apachelogger> didn't understand that PCI_VALUE is a var :P
[11:44] <apachelogger> I guess that makes sense
[11:44] <apachelogger> will have to see in quality control if it actually does, but certainly seems to be lovely
[11:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you did not move the card to doing btw
[11:47] <shadeslayer> cool
[11:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you do have a lot of cards in doing btw
[11:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah :/
[11:48] <shadeslayer> I'll clean up
[11:50] <apachelogger> yofel_: pingpingpingping
[11:50]  * apachelogger should really not grep over all bzr checkouts :O
[11:50] <yofel_> apachelogger: yes?
[11:50] <apachelogger> yofel_: which scripty creates the buldstatus page?
[11:50] <apachelogger> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-buildstatus/kubuntu-buildstatus.html
[11:50] <apachelogger> yofel_: and does that scripty work with ppas?
[11:51] <yofel_> hm, something from debfx, Riddell would know more about it
[11:51] <apachelogger> ./kubuntu-ppa-build-status:parser = argparse.ArgumentParser(description="Generate a build status report.")
[11:51] <apachelogger> found it already
[11:51] <apachelogger> yofel_: thanks anyway :)
[11:51] <yofel_> apachelogger: that's no the same thing
[11:51] <yofel_> *not
[11:51] <apachelogger> well, I just want a thing that can generate a full page for the kf5 ppa :P
[11:52] <yofel_> ah, that'll do the job then
[11:52] <apachelogger> it's terrible to find offending builds on lunchpad
[11:52] <apachelogger> what with having to scroll through 3 pages -.-
[11:52] <yofel_> you know that launchpad has a batch=<num> parameter that goes up to 300?
[11:52] <apachelogger> :O
[11:53] <apachelogger> yofel_: I did not
[11:53] <yofel_> likes to cause timeouts though for obvious reasons ^^
[11:53] <apachelogger> :O
[11:53] <apachelogger> much surprise.
[11:56] <apachelogger> kubuntu-ppa-build-status: error: argument -v/--version is required
[11:57] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:57] <apachelogger> :'<
[12:39] <apachelogger> so, crash wise we had muon crash a lot, which ought to be fixed with new muon and new libqapt
[12:39] <apachelogger> other than that and the qdeclarative thing we don't have many with high impact
[12:43] <Riddell> who should I vote for to be on the Developer Membership Board ?
[12:43] <Riddell> apachelogger :)
[12:43] <apachelogger> yes, wait, what :O
[12:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://trello.com/c/bmg4cNW9 please be adding your information
[12:54] <boom1992> Riddell: trusty = new version? :)
[12:55] <Riddell> boom1992: yep, development version, beta due this week
[12:55] <boom1992> Riddell: cool, and it's in the normal repositories or do I need some PPA?
[12:58] <Riddell> boom1992: normal repositories
[12:58] <boom1992> Riddell: okay awesome! thanks :)
[13:02] <sgclark> Riddell: kinit and kdeclarative need review
[13:03] <Riddell> sgclark: ooh awesomeness
[13:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: done
[13:06] <shadeslayer> jussi: so we have a Android on Nokia device in the office
[13:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you do?
[13:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Albert Vaca
[13:12] <shadeslayer> he got one
[13:12] <Riddell> from MWC or other channels?
[13:12] <shadeslayer> MWC
[13:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: and is it any good?  what are the prospects to outsell their windows phones?
[13:17] <shadeslayer> dunno, I haven't played with it :P
[13:18] <BluesKaj> apparently the google apps on those nokias are missing and the OS is made took like windows, correct shadeslayer ?
[13:18] <BluesKaj> to look like 
[13:18] <shadeslayer> that's what I gathered from the video, need to play with it later this evening
[13:18] <BluesKaj> 125bucks isn't a bad price 
[13:19] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:19] <Tm_T> it's not worth the money though
[13:19] <Riddell> it probably isn't even waterproof
[13:19] <Riddell> which really is a required feature in a phone
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Tm_T, where I live $125 doesn't buy much anyway
[13:20] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: same here, still I wouldn't even think of buying those
[13:22] <BluesKaj> my old flip motorola phone is getting old... don't need a fancy bells and whistles phone just something that is reliable as a cellphone , probly impossible to find nowadays
[13:24] <shadeslayer> mmm
[13:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sooo
[13:25] <apachelogger> nooo
[13:26] <shadeslayer> ah, nvm
[13:26] <shadeslayer> silly KDE
[13:26] <apachelogger> lol
[13:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kubuntu notification helper has 2 settings >.>
[13:27] <apachelogger> huh?
[13:27] <shadeslayer> one is for how the notifications are shown
[13:28] <shadeslayer> the other one is whether or not they should be shown
[13:28] <apachelogger> well yeah
[13:28] <shadeslayer> just confusing :)
[13:28]  * apachelogger personally isn't a fan of latter TBH
[13:28] <shadeslayer> likewise
[13:28] <apachelogger> we might want to simply ditch notification only support
[13:29] <apachelogger> since I redid the way notifications are triggered when a ksni is used it makes even less sense
[13:29] <apachelogger> we now basically have code that is not used when one has the ksni active
[13:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: bzr commit --fixes doesn't mark bugs as fix commited?
[13:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it should do once you push to launchpad
[13:37] <shadeslayer> it doesn't :(
[13:39] <BluesKaj> wish there was  away to exclude kmail, kontact, akonadi and nepomuk from installs, they're unneeded baggage for home users like me
[13:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-notification-helper/+bug/1282080
[13:40] <shadeslayer> ^^ still not fix commited even though I fixed it ( it linked the branch )
[13:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: probably the bug needs to be reported on the project rather than the package
[13:54] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: what bug?
[13:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-notification-helper/+bug/1282080
[13:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: we do not report stuff against projects
[13:56] <apachelogger> it's inconsistent
[13:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: right
[13:59] <Riddell> apachelogger, shadeslayer: so conclution is bzr --fixes not useful
[13:59] <shadeslayer> mhmm
[14:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: re https://trello.com/c/z5RxLstK : should it be such that you pass the program name via a flag or each program has it's own flag
[14:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: ah, it would mark it committed if the bug was on the project?
[14:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: individual flags
[14:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: right
[14:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ack
[14:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: -gcore-qaptworker -gcore-muon-discover or somesuch
[14:02] <shadeslayer> mhmm
[14:02] <apachelogger> altho
[14:03] <shadeslayer> don't you think something like -gcore muon -gcore muon-discover would be better
[14:03] <apachelogger> yeah, well
[14:04] <apachelogger> the thing is... qaptworker is a runtime component of qapt, so it is affected by sobumps
[14:04] <apachelogger> so depending on your qapt instlled you'll need a different argument
[14:04] <apachelogger> UNLESS
[14:04] <apachelogger> and this is there my altho comes in :P
[14:04] <apachelogger> if you map qaptworker in the script it would work fine
[14:05] <apachelogger> i.e. -gcore qaptworker  -> will attempt to pidof qaptworker || pidof qaptworker2 || pidof qaptworker3 ...
[14:06] <shadeslayer> good god
[14:06] <apachelogger> which is really why I said individual flags, so you don't have to think about what qaptworker/qapt is used on the system... -gcore qaptworker always tries to find the worker on its own
[14:06] <shadeslayer> well you could ask for -gcore qaptworker2
[14:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: don't want that
[14:08] <apachelogger> that requires me to know that the system uses qaptworker2
[14:08] <apachelogger> which for example is not apparent from a backtrace
[14:09] <apachelogger> so what I'd ahve to do si -gcore qaptworker2 -gcore qaptworker3 (assuming qapt gets sobumped)
[14:09] <apachelogger> man, that character order -.-
[14:12] <apachelogger> so many crappy todos -.-
[14:12]  * apachelogger wonders what to do with apport-kde
[14:12] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:12] <sgclark> Riddell: kwallet-framework ready
[14:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I understand now
[14:13] <shadeslayer> ( well, I understood before as well, but I understand your approach in a better way now )
[14:14] <Peace-> xD gnome3 
[14:14] <Peace-> http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/24/plasma-desktopGO8417.png
[14:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^^
[14:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: because now when qapt gets released, it'll be with the correct option already there
[14:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if a new qapt gets released muon will likely need to be adjusted for the new qapt, so you could simply change the script then ... the point is that for qaptworker the argument to -gcore must not be the actual process it looks for because that can be different across different muon versions
[14:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: exactly, and before release, one could modify the script to accomodate for this
[14:19] <apachelogger> so for all intents and purposes the dump script could do if [ arg == qaptworker ]; then arg = qaptworker2; fi (for now)
[14:19] <shadeslayer> that way the right qaptworker is found with each release
[14:19] <apachelogger> aye
[14:27] <sgclark> Riddell: kded ready
[14:55] <sgclark> Riddell: kparts ready
[15:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/p5ss5cosz
[15:01] <shadeslayer> though I think xz is wayyyyy too much compression
[15:02] <shadeslayer> takes forever with coredumps
[15:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: coredumps are way too huge to not use xz
[15:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I see a fregl in #kde-devel
[15:03] <apachelogger> yeah, already poked him
[15:04] <apachelogger> swamped he says
[15:04] <shadeslayer> someone throw him a rope plz
[15:05] <apachelogger> actually...
[15:05] <apachelogger> xnox: does any canonical software still use qt4?
[15:08] <xnox> apachelogger: unfortunately, yes.
[15:08] <shadeslayer> ^^
[15:08] <xnox> apachelogger: there is very little left, but then again very little effort / time to port to qt5.
[15:08] <xnox> apachelogger: basically it's the ubuntuone desktop app & friends.
[15:08] <apachelogger> right
[15:08]  * apachelogger takes closer look at the accessibility patch
[15:09] <apachelogger> adds public api anyway
[15:09]  * apachelogger sighs a bit
[15:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: we'll have to wait for fregl to give feedback
[15:09] <shadeslayer> k
[15:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I think SRU candiates for experimental PPA should be prepared regardless though
[15:10] <shadeslayer> I'll have a look in a couple of hours
[15:10] <apachelogger> if he agrees with it we'll be all the quicker to push the SRU, otherwise we only need to change the patch content
[15:10] <apachelogger> xnox: thanks for the information :)
[15:27] <sgclark> Riddell: kpty ready
[15:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I'm still going to argue for a reduced LTS support lifetime
[15:28] <ScottK> If anything it makes more sense now.
[15:28] <shadeslayer> even though we say "support" for 5 years, our definition of support is supremely crippled IMHO
[15:29] <ScottK> Since KDE4 SC development is transitioning to maintenance mode we'll get more upstream support for longer, so it'll be easier.
[15:29] <yofel_> installability for 5 years? But I think we get that from ubuntu anyway
[15:29] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hahahaha
[15:29] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Not kidding.
[15:29] <shadeslayer> ScottK: if anything, no one's going to look at KDE 4 bugs
[15:29] <shadeslayer> once KF5 and Plasma Next come out
[15:29] <shadeslayer> and are thought to be mature enough to be released to the general public
[15:30] <shadeslayer> ScottK: neither am I
[15:30] <ScottK> I think serious bugs (and security) well get looked at.
[15:30] <ScottK> For LTS, that's all we care about.
[15:30] <shadeslayer> security, probably, serious bugs, doubt it
[15:30] <ScottK> Security is the most important thing anyway.
[15:31] <ScottK> We get !KDE security support for free from Canonical, so I don't see why we should go for less than 5 years.
[15:31] <ScottK> KDE security bugs are rare anyway.
[15:31] <shadeslayer> even so, there is usually no one actively looking for those
[15:31] <shadeslayer> more of a passive approach to things there
[15:31] <apachelogger> looking for what?
[15:32] <shadeslayer> and I fear that when we say support, people will most likely think that we *actively* fixing bugs
[15:32] <shadeslayer> when our focus will be Plasma Next and getting a new release out
[15:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: looking for security flaws
[15:32] <shadeslayer> ScottK: all of this combined just makes support look like a farce to me
[15:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kde sends out handy notifications :P
[15:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: as for actively fixing bugs.. that's why we want a policy :P
[15:33] <ScottK> That's all support is once the last point release is done.
[15:33] <apachelogger> "Developers can deliver stable release updates throughout the entire long term support duration, in accordance with our Stable Updates policy. Users may request an update once an upstream fix has become available. "
[15:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: As a policy that's fine, we need something simpler for our release notes
[15:34] <shadeslayer> and how many applications keep recieving updates after 1 year, let alone 5
[15:34] <shadeslayer> ( bug fix updates )
[15:34] <shadeslayer> KDE currently has no concept of LTS releases
[15:35] <shadeslayer> hence our branding of a LTS release is complete nonsense
[15:35] <apachelogger> and the SU policy basically says "if you want a fix for an old release you have to find testers for all later releases or we won't attempt any sort of update"
[15:35] <apachelogger> why?
[15:35]  * apachelogger sighs
[15:36] <apachelogger> we have gone over all of this
[15:36] <apachelogger> on the list and here
[15:36] <apachelogger> I totally don't feel like reiterating that support != we push random bug fixes
[15:38] <apachelogger> and that it doesn't even mean that upstream
[15:38] <apachelogger> the hard fact is that we will be able to push fixes
[15:38] <apachelogger> so given sufficient impact and use one can push an update
[15:38] <apachelogger> and one may not be the kubuntu team, but someone from company xyz who runs the LTS release and wants this bug fixed
[15:38] <apachelogger> that's the main advantage of LTS
[15:39] <apachelogger> well, copled with not changing software, which also does help in a corporate envrionment ^^
[15:40] <Riddell> sgclark: kwallet-framework failed on i386 :(
[15:41] <shadeslayer> mmmm
[15:41] <sgclark> Riddell: I see, looking
[15:41]  * shadeslayer is very conflicted
[15:41] <shadeslayer> As much as I like the idea of an LTS ... I just think we have the wrong communication for an LTS
[15:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: propose fixes then
[15:43] <sgclark> Riddell: umm why would i386 be looking in x86_64-linux-gnu, I am a bit baffelled
[15:44] <Riddell> sgclark: it's in libkf5wallet-dev.install
[15:45] <Riddell> sgclark: "x86_64-linux-gnu" should be changed to "*"
[15:45] <sgclark> Ridell: thank you
[15:45] <sgclark> Riddell
[15:47] <sgclark> Riddell: fix committed
[15:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thinking
[15:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: everything that comes to mind is very negative sounding
[15:49] <apachelogger> we could produce a music video
[15:49]  * shadeslayer grabs his violin
[15:53] <Riddell> sgclark: kded uploaded, I renamed the package back to kded5 because the binary is still kded5
[15:53] <sgclark> ok
[15:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: when do we need an answer?
[15:53] <Riddell> sgclark: (and I'm a bit miffed at upstream changing all the sonames to 4 since they'll have to be changed back before release but I guess I'm upstream so could fix that)
[15:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I dunno
[15:54] <shadeslayer> k
[15:54] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[15:54] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah I wondered the purpose of that
[15:54] <Riddell> hi ovidiu-florin!
[15:54] <sgclark> Riddell: any news on when next batch is released so I can plan my week?
[15:54] <ovidiu-florin> I want to check what version of a package currenty is on the current LTS. How can I do that on launchpad?
[15:56] <ovidiu-florin> this bug is apparently fixed in 4.11.0. I have a machine in front of me with KDE 4.11.2 and the bug is still present. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324438
[15:56] <Riddell> sgclark: kparts and kpty up!
[15:56] <Riddell> sgclark: March 1st it says https://community.kde.org/Frameworks/Epics
[15:57] <sgclark> Riddell: ok, will plan on busy weekend and break mid week after this batch done
[15:57] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk2-engines-oxygen
[15:57] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: 1.2.2 in precise
[15:58] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: the KDE SC version won't affect it as it's release separately
[15:58] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: how can I check when that KDE bug was marked as fixed?
[16:00] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: hmm good question, I'm not sure you can :(
[16:04] <sgclark> Riddell: kwallet i386 fix committed
[16:05] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: How can I find out in what package version of gtk2-engines-oxygen was that bug fixed?
[16:08] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I realise I don't know I'm afraid :(
[16:09] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: where can I ask?
[16:09] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: but commits on that bug were 2014-01-03
[16:10] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: so it would be 1.4.0 by that timing
[16:16] <apachelogger> Riddell, ovidiu-florin: https://bugs.kde.org/show_activity.cgi?id=324438
[16:19] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: how did you get to that?
[16:19] <apachelogger> Modified 	2014-02-16 11:26 UTC (History) 
[16:19] <apachelogger> history is a link
[16:20]  * apachelogger wonders why the qt branch is so big :O
[16:21] <ovidiu-florin> how much would a normal 13.10 release occupy on a fresh install?
[16:22] <ovidiu-florin> 2-3GB?
[16:22] <apachelogger> something like that, yeah
[16:22] <apachelogger> note that this won't be enough for upkeep though
[16:23] <ovidiu-florin> what's that?
[16:23] <apachelogger> i.e. you'll probably not be able to upgrade
[16:23] <ovidiu-florin> upkeep is a daemot that "runs apt-get update" in the background?
[16:23] <apachelogger> nah, it's a word
[16:24] <Riddell> I have 9.3GB used after an upgrade from 12.04
[16:24] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: how's the new website getting on?
[16:24] <apachelogger> point being... if you have a partition that is 3 GB you'll not able to fit the installation + caches + new debs on it during upgrade
[16:25] <apachelogger> *not be able
[16:27]  * apachelogger test a patch extraction script
[16:27] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: so far most of the credit for the theming goes to ahoneybun
[16:28] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: If this is the theme that will stick, I'll start working on the multilingual stuff, to make sure everything works flawlessly
[16:29] <sgclark> Riddell: kemoticons ready
[16:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how's this? kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.12.2
[16:29] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I say go for it
[16:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: good
[16:30] <apachelogger> meh, qtcreator branch is also so big -.-
[16:31] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded!
[16:32] <sgclark> Riddell: did you see the i386 fix for kwallet?
[16:35] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded!
[16:39] <Riddell> apachelogger, shadeslayer: any conclusion to "LTS status for Ubuntu flavours"?  I don't see why we shouldn't continue with 5 years, anything less is pretty useless to our large rollout users
[16:40]  * shadeslayer is still undecided, I'll send an email tomorrow morning
[16:49] <sgclark> Riddell: last i386 symbol patch for kwallet comitted
[16:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: still waiting for a review on qapt-dump
[16:55] <Riddell> sgclark: kwallet up!
[17:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Qt4 X11 SRU for Saucy and Precise
[17:18] <shadeslayer> mmmm patch doesn't apply cleanly
[17:19] <shadeslayer> going to look tomorrow then
[17:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and trusty as well right?
[17:44] <sgclark> Riddell: kjsembed ready
[18:33] <sgclark> Riddell: kmediaplayer ready
[18:59] <Guest56874> Hi, I have made a patch for a bug in KDE-PIM and would like to commit it. As nobody answers my comments in bugs.kde.org, I try here.
[19:00] <Guest56874> The bug description and patch can be found here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279749
[19:03] <Guest56874> The bug can currently not be reproduced with 4.12.x but with 4.11. it can and thus the patch can only be tested with the 4.11 branch
[19:05] <Guest56874> What's the best way to push the patch into the repo?
[20:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: everythign supported, yes
[22:56] <ahoneybun> hey people
[23:01] <ahoneybun> valorie: I think we should see if the kubuntu-docs package works in all langs?
[23:03] <ahoneybun> or is that granted because the english one works?
[23:04] <ScottK> No, it'd be good to test it.
[23:04] <ahoneybun> ScottK: would I change my lang?
[23:04] <ScottK> Yes.
[23:04] <Riddell> install language-pack-kde-xx
[23:05] <Riddell> where xx is one of the ones in the kubuntu-docs package
[23:05] <ahoneybun> ok need to setup a 14.04 VB
[23:05] <ahoneybun> vm
[23:36] <ahoneybun> valorie: what do you think we should do for Documentation Day?