=== duflu_ is now known as duflu === Zachary_DuBois|A is now known as Zachary_DuBois === Zachary_DuBois is now known as Zachary_DuBois|A === thumper is now known as thumper-afk [07:01] Good morning [07:06] hi pitti! [07:06] happy Monday [07:06] hey larsu, wie gehts? Dir auch! [07:06] * pitti tries to readjust to CET [07:07] sehr gut danke :) [07:07] how was your sprint? [07:07] larsu: long and intense, but I really enjoyed it [07:07] the way sprints are supposed to be ;) [07:08] working with jibel to solve a lot of autopkgtest issues, and with thomi to figure out the py3 test migration, and others [07:10] larsu: jibel and I were actually sprinting in the morning, to Lake Merritt :) [07:11] pitti: nice! I did that last time I was there as well. It's quite nice there [07:11] larsu: yes, I still remember your "running barefeet" attempt :) [07:11] that was before [07:11] last time I had shoes ;) [07:12] imagine that! [07:12] (still only 3mm soles though) [07:12] yeah, me too, my Vibram five-fingers [07:12] but with them it's excellent [07:12] I didn't see any glass splinters or similar anywhere, it's fairly clean [07:13] did you go around the lake? [07:13] no, we didn't have enough time for that, we started at 8 already [07:14] crazy! [07:19] larsu: did you ever go around? it looks like a total of 8 to 10 km [07:19] we usually ran about 30 to 40 mins, up to ~ 6 km [07:21] pitti: I did, but didn't plan to (it was just very nice weather that morning and I had time) [07:22] but yeah, 10k is a bit much for a morning run :) === e11bits_ is now known as e11bits [09:00] good morning desktopers, happy monday! [09:01] bonjour seb128, hereux lundi ! [09:01] pitti, salut, ça va ? bien rentré ? [09:01] seb128: oui, le voyage était bien [09:02] seb128: still feeling a bit zombie-like today, though :) [09:02] jetlag for the loose [09:02] morning! [09:02] how was the QA week otherwise? [09:02] Laney, hey, how are you?* [09:02] seb128: well, not that bad this time; I didn't get a cold, that makes it much easier to bear [09:02] hey Laney, how are you? [09:03] good [09:03] seb128: intense, but productive; I really enjoyed being able to work hand in hand with jibel to fix a lot of britney/autopkgtest things, and with thomi to further the py3 test story [09:03] hey seb128 & pitti [09:04] i'm good thanks, fun weekend beer festivalling [09:05] they were selling off cheap pies at the end which we ended up sharing with drunk people on the train back [09:05] was funny [09:05] nice [09:05] hah [09:06] did you have some nice weather for the festival? [09:09] hum, u-c-c is blocked in trusty-proposed because indicator-sound is not available on all archs [09:09] * seb128 demotes that depends to a recommends [09:09] yeah, but it was inside anyway (mostly) [09:09] I start thinking we should put that gsettings key in the shared schemas rather than indicator-sound [09:11] seb128: I agree [09:11] robert_ancell seems to dislike putting the key in indicatr-sound as well [09:11] (judging by his comment on yesterday's MR) [09:12] what mr? [09:12] * seb128 didn't see that one [09:12] oh, your fix scaling [09:12] no :p [09:13] nice done on that one btw, thanks for fixing it ;-) [09:13] did you figure out how you ended up on a different version of the code? [09:14] seb128: I meant the one for u-s-d [09:14] seb128: no, I didn't figure that out - but fixing it this way was easier than rebasing (which I tried before and was a mess) [09:15] larsu, I just saw that, stop working during W.E! ;-) [09:15] https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/unity-settings-daemon/support-allow-amplified-volume/+merge/207838/comments/487783 [09:16] yeah, I just saw that [09:16] seb128: I had kind of a late start on Friday and even though I worked later, too, I was missing some hours [09:16] so yesterday I thought I might as well do it now :) [09:16] larsu, ok, your call, just saying ;-) [09:17] (I did some hacking as well to be honest, I looked at the users panel history issue yesterday evening :p) [09:17] ts ts [09:17] ;-) [09:17] larsu, I found new bugs for you btw! [09:17] :'( [09:17] but I'm not going to distract your from nautilus yet [09:17] btw how reasonable does nautilus/menu look like? [09:17] did you have time to look properly at it yet? [09:18] yes, and I have half a patch already [09:18] it seems very doable, but ask me again in a couple of hours [09:18] ok [09:19] building gnome apps is a huge warning-fest these days [09:19] larsu, just for the record the other bugs I have for you are file-roller only starting one instance (e.g you can't open 2 archives from nautilus), seems like GTKish [09:19] thanks to all the deprecations [09:19] larsu, the other one is evince missing its context menu, which I guess has to do with your menu work [09:19] yeah :/ [09:21] seb128: noted. [09:21] hm, context menus work on links and such [09:21] but are empty everywhere else [09:21] same here [09:21] are you sure they worked before? [09:21] hm, probably... I'll investigate later [09:29] larsu, yeah, just downgraded to the version before the gmenu patch, the context menu has preview/next/refresh/... items [09:29] larsu, but yeah, no hurry, nautilus first, then bugfixes ;-) [09:36] Laney, can you try the update on lp:~seb128/unity-control-center/users-backport-commits and tell me if you get a proper history? [09:37] yep, give me a minute to send this email [09:38] sure, thanks [09:47] Laney, shrug I had a typo, if you already pulled please do it again, I've added an extra revision [09:47] didn't yet [09:47] good [10:18] seb128: yay, looks good now [10:19] Laney, \o/ [10:19] be nice to send that upstream [10:20] right, I'm going to do that [10:20] though https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=692253 suggest they would prefer to have lightdm changed [10:20] Gnome bug 692253 in User Accounts "user-accounts: empty login history window" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [10:20] I emailed robert_ancell about that, he replied [10:20] "I have no idea about wtmp. I couldn't find any real spec for it." [10:21] heh [10:21] let's see if they are any details on why they don't like "pts" if they don't [11:02] Laney doesn't like hacks/workarounds :p [11:03] Laney, would you prefer if I build-depends on indicator-sound to make it depwait on those archs? [11:07] that wouldn't fix the migration problem [11:07] then you'd get out-of-date [11:08] I would /maybe/ be okay if you arch-qualify the dependency, if it's for a realllllly short amount of time [11:09] oh, just saw the mail - if you're fixing it today anyway then why not just do it like that the first time? === alan_g_ is now known as alan_g [11:20] shrug, wifi stopped transferring again and I didn't notice before IRC timeout [11:21] Laney, not sure if my reply went through, I basically didn't want to mix landing of the fixes and of the schemas transition, but I'm going to reverse the order and start with the schemas [11:21] nope, didn't get any message from you [11:22] Laney, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=725053 btw [11:22] Gnome bug 725053 in User Accounts "History login empty on Ubuntu (doesn't list "pts" type sessions)" [Normal,New] === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [11:22] seb128: nice, thanks === Sweetsha1k is now known as Sweetshark [11:28] Laney, do you feel like audio is part of "user-interface", or do we need a new schemas? [11:29] let's do a "com.ubuntu.sound" [11:30] I don't have a very good intuition for schema layouts [11:30] GNOME has a "sound", doing the same [11:30] we'll have the 'touch' versions too [11:30] grr [11:30] those are going to be deprecated though? [11:31] that'd be nice [11:31] oh, you mean the sound ones specifically [11:31] yes [11:31] right === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:02] Laney, larsu: https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/shared-sound-setting/+merge/207900 [12:02] https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-control-center/rename-sound-key/+merge/207905 [12:02] https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/indicator-sound/use-shared-key/+merge/207909 [12:03] Laney, I didn't add packaging transition for the key move since u-c-c had a version using the key out of trusty-proposed [12:03] u-c-c *never* had* [12:04] why would you need that? [12:04] some transition? [12:04] because I dropped the key for indicator-sound [12:04] seb128: awesome, thanks! [12:04] so if u-c-c had been using it and you updated the indicator u-c-c wouldn't be happy [12:05] larsu, please update your u-s-d branche to depends on "gsettings-ubuntu-schemas (>= 0.0.1+14.04.20140224)," [12:05] oh like a Breaks [12:05] rather than indicator-sound [12:05] seems okay to me [12:05] Laney, right [12:05] you added a blank line in POTFILES.skip :P [12:05] Laney, shrug, blame my editor [12:06] :p [12:06] will do [12:06] danke [12:07] should I wait to top-approve i-sound until gsettings-ubuntu-touch lands? [12:07] *-schemas [12:07] it should be silo'd in together [12:08] so doesn't matter [12:08] what Laney says [12:08] I'm going to put those 3 in a silo (once you acked them) [12:09] chrisccoulson: hey, are there plans to merge enigmail from debian at some point? [12:10] what's the best way to see what keeps something in main? [12:10] sorry, was meant for -devel [12:10] (re-asking there) [12:12] seb128: hm, u-s-d doesn't have auto-landing? [12:12] I guess I can just reuse the MR from yesterday [12:12] larsu, no, it's under CI train, the lander just need to list vcses [12:13] larsu, yeah, just do another commit in the branch robert_ancell approved [12:13] I'm going to land it later [12:13] * larsu is totally confused by the new process [12:13] mostly because I didn't really look into it yet [12:14] larsu, basically things stopped being merged to trunk automatically [12:14] larsu, the "lander" needs to list the merge requests that he/she wants to land, the system give you a ppa with that set (to test), then you press buttons for distro upload and once it's in distro it's merged back to trunk [12:15] it just puts the distro/product upfront [12:19] seb128: thanks :) [12:19] that sounds like a good system actually [12:20] it's quite nice indeed [12:20] especially getting a ppa with all your changes [12:20] ya [12:20] like in that case I get all 3 sources, so I can test a real dist-upgrade [12:21] MR is updated [12:22] danke [12:23] Laney, btw, I looked at doing proper commit backports for u-c-c, turns out bzr doesn't do real cherry-picks, it basically commit the diff of the change you merge [12:23] yep [12:24] so I can as well keep doing it the way I was doing it, copying diffs from the webui, it's more efficient :p [12:24] you could use git-bzr to do nice cherry-picks :-) [12:25] haha [12:25] Laney: we're getting the new gtk sooner than you convince seb128 to use git :P [12:25] I guess I could, or at least I should look at that when things are more quiet [12:25] for now I'm sticking to my efficient workflow :p [12:25] larsu, lol === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === Trevinho__ is now known as Trevinho === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:04] what do i need to do to make print-screen button work with unity-*-* ? [13:04] well, it works as an audio bell at the moment =) [13:06] are you *running* the latest unity-settings-daemon? [13:16] Laney: you sound like apport "Unreportable error due to out of date packages" [13:16] Laney: let's say i did reboot my machine in a week =) [13:17] we uploaded a new one which fixed print screen being broken on friday (I think) [13:17] (correct) [13:19] xnox: unity-settings-daemon --replace [13:20] Laney: hm, restart unity-settings-deamon would not work? [13:20] that's what the command he gave is doing? [13:20] (note that some apps don't pick up the correct theme again when you do that) [13:20] seb128: yeah, xchat went all window95 on me =) [13:21] right, xchat-gnome does the same [13:21] however printscreen did work =) [13:21] ;-) [13:21] note that next time the key doesn't work, you can run gnome-screenshot from the dash [13:21] it has an UI that let you capture the active win/screen/selection/after timeout [13:22] mmm, I've not restarted u-s-d like that before [13:22] try it [13:22] it's nothing with the way it restarts [13:22] it's just that some apps don't seem to pick up again theme, same thing happen in g-s-d segfaults and respawn [13:24] wasn't talking about that issue [13:24] oh ok === mhall119_ is now known as mhall119 [13:29] Laney: restart unity-settings-daemon, mostly worked. [13:29] I was scared it would restart some other things, but I haven't actually checked if that is true [13:35] Laney: but since "stopped" is not emitted nothing should be torn-down, and some things might see "started" again, but that will not launch/relauch things that are already running anyway. [13:37] larsu: but it means you know how to launch a session upstart job with an env variable, right? :) [13:37] didrocks, larsu and upstart? you must be confused :p [13:37] hahahahah [13:37] no, I don't [13:37] it's like me and git [13:37] :p [13:37] didrocks: but aren't they already doing that with current unity8? [13:37] seb128: "launch a session upstart job with an env variable", I didn't see any larsu there :p [13:37] larsu: no, there is no env variable for that [13:38] seb128: do you have a phone which isn't fully updated? [13:38] Laney, I probably do, I updated on friday morning and follow the proposed channel [13:39] Laney, why? [13:39] willing to test the updates panel fix? [13:39] I want to add https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-system-settings/concurrent-check/+merge/207525 to it [13:39] but I just updated [13:39] sure [13:39] for me it downloaded and prompted me to install [13:39] but in the updates panel it span "Checking for updates" the whole time [13:39] instead of showing the progress [13:40] I'm wondering if this branch would fix that [13:40] weird [13:40] what should I test exactly? [13:40] stock image + what? [13:40] wait until I get this approved / reconfigured / built === BigW is now known as BigWhale [13:41] then add the PPA for the landing, upgrade to it, go into u-s-s, wait for "updates available" to show, click it and see if you see the download's progress and/or get prompted to install the update [13:41] you need to be on automatically download on wifi [13:42] ok [13:42] just give me a ping with what you need to be tested, I'm keeping outdated until then [13:43] if not, well, it didn't give me a corrupt download so it's way less broken than it was already [13:43] would just be nice for the ui to work properly too [13:44] k [13:47] Laney: sorry for the (probably silly) question, but you mentioned that light-locker-settings had been uploaded, still i can't find it in the trusty repos (https://bugs.launchpad.net/light-locker-settings/+bug/1281536) [13:47] Launchpad bug 1281536 in light-locker-settings "[needs-packaging] light-locker-settings" [Wishlist,Fix committed] [13:47] ochosi: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue [13:47] it needs to be reviewed by an archive administrator [13:47] oh [13:47] thanks! [13:47] * ochosi bookmarks the page === e11bits_ is now known as e11bits === attente_ is now known as attente === alan_g_ is now known as alan_g [14:02] mpt, hey, could you review/comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1283150? (it's a string suggestion) [14:02] Launchpad bug 1283150 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "Missing article in the new LIM option dialog" [Low,Triaged] [14:05] bregma, since when do we have a "no commit without bug reference" for unity? [14:06] seb128, since I have to personally manually approve every single commit that goes in [14:07] seb128: http://162.213.34.102/job/landing-010-1-build/18/console when you get the new u-s-s, please try ^^^ steps [14:07] * Laney lunches [14:07] bregma, hum, k, I've the feeling that's not a discussion I wanted to have ... happy monday anyway then ;-) [14:08] Laney, what should I try exactly? install that ppa and then try to update through system settings with wifi autodownload on? [14:08] seb128, there's a bug that needs fixing, there's a MP that fixes it, what's wrong with requiring we be able to track work and make sure effort is not duplicated? [14:11] bregma, nothing, I just don't like strict rules like that because it goes in the way of easy "just send a patch". If we have a bug about the issue we should link to the commit indeed ;-) [14:13] bregma, btw what is blocking landing/enabling the hi-dpi work? [14:13] * seb128 has been watching the silos/CI train for an unity entry since friday === mjohnson15_2 is now known as mjohnson15 [14:19] Laney, ^ same question here :) [14:20] (when you get back) :) [14:20] same question being [14:20] Laney, i compile system settings and run it on my desktop but its not showing any panels in it. what am i doing wrong ? [14:20] om26er, how did you build it? === psivaa is now known as psivaa-afk-bbl [14:21] seb128, mkdir 'build' outside of u-s-s source, and then in that build dir, cmake ../ubuntu-system-settings;make -j4 [14:23] om26er, that doesn't work [14:24] seb128, do i need to specify some panel path ? [14:24] let me check, I usually bzr bd [14:27] om26er, it's looking into ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/share/ubuntu/settings/system for the .settings [14:27] om26er, you need to define CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX I guess then [14:27] e.g "cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr" [14:28] seb128, and I would have to point that to the local dir, i would assume [14:29] om26er, if you plan to add panels, otherwise getting the list from the system is probably good enoguh [14:29] but we don't really support loading local panels (yeah, that's suboptimal), we usually test by copying over the system .so [14:30] seb128, i am actually changing the autopilot tests to load everything from local dir if i am running tests locally and only use anything from the system if tests are running from outside of the source [14:30] there can be cases where ubuntu-system-settings is not installed on the system [14:31] good luck, we would welcome patches to load local plugins for sure [14:31] but we don't have support in our cmake/plugin loader for that atm [14:31] seb128, i would like to learn cmake better, so that's my chance there ;) [14:32] seems so ;-) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|vt [14:35] seb128: Bon jour! [14:35] GunnarHj, hey, how are you? [14:36] seb128: I'm fine, thanks. Hope you are as well. [14:36] seb128: We are talking on bug #1164252 about seeding a few IM engines. The question is what would be possible considering the ISO size restrictions. [14:36] Launchpad bug 1164252 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Improve default selection of IBus related packages" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164252 [14:41] GunnarHj, I'm good thanks [14:41] GunnarHj, can't we just make language-selector install those where it makes sense? [14:42] seb128: That's basically how it's done already. The point with seeding a few engines for a few big languages would be to make it possible to input 'funny characters' without installing respective language. A matter of convenience. [14:44] you are also going to miss e.g fonts for that no? [14:44] I think that if you want to type into e.g Japanese, you should install the language support for it [14:44] seb128: Fons are already seeded. [14:44] fonts [14:44] k [14:45] well, same issue as always [14:45] seb128: Guess so. ;-) [14:45] we could pre-install everything in the archive in case somebody needs it [14:45] but then you have big images and that has a cost on infra, download time, install time, etc [14:46] not easy to make the cut on what is really useful or not [14:46] you should maybe email ubuntu-devel@ about thaty [14:46] seb128: Ok, I can do that, so we get input from a few others. [14:46] right [14:47] but things like [14:47] "ibus-sunpinyin [14:47] - pulls: libglade2-0 libsunpinyin3 python-glade2 sunpinyin-data [14:47] - would need 25.5 MB" [14:47] that seems a no go to me [14:47] we don't want old unmaintained libs back on the iso [14:47] 25MB is too much overhead as well [14:47] the other ones seems more reasonable [14:48] seb128: OTOH, ibus-sunpinyin seems to be one of the most desired (according to happyaron and damage3025). [14:49] seb128: FWIW, I digged out openoffice.org-dictionaries (which are still at the state of go-oo 3.3) and updated them to libreoffice-dictionaries on libreoffice 4.2.1. Also killed dpatch, bumped dephelper and standards-version and made lintian happy. Would you review that? Its currently in a git repo as I hope Rene will take that to debian (after removing the slight ubuntufication). [14:49] Sweetshark, I can review that, probably tomorrow rather than today though [14:49] Sweetshark, can you drop me an email as reminder? [14:50] seb128: sure, that was kinda the timeline I was looking for ;) [14:50] Sweetshark, I still have nlpsolver on my list as well (just letting you know I didn't forget about it;-) === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [15:01] seb128, any idea what's causing this? seems like a recent trusty change (bug 1278062) [15:01] Launchpad bug 1278062 in firefox (Ubuntu) "firefox crashes on startup (but apparently layunched properly to enable me to post this)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1278062 [15:02] chrisccoulson, hey [15:02] chrisccoulson, no, is that a one user thing? we didn't change gtk+2 recently... [15:03] seb128, no, there's quite a few [15:03] weird [15:03] buggy theme? [15:05] what should I try exactly> [15:05] 24/02 13:40:32 wait until I get this approved / reconfigured / built [15:05] 24/02 13:41:10 then add the PPA for the landing, upgrade to it, go into u-s-s, wait for "updates available" to show, click it and see if you see the download's progress and/or get prompted to install the update [15:05] 24/02 13:41:21 you need to be on automatically download on wifi [15:07] Laney, right, testing that in a bit [15:07] merci [15:07] de rien [15:10] hello :) [15:10] 1 question: I'd like to be sure that I have deleted all the cached gsettings (to have the default values) [15:11] which directories do I have to check? [15:11] .config/dconf/user i think [15:13] I ve tried this mmm yes but maybe I re-set some accidentally :p [15:13] thank you attente :) [15:13] hikiko, just "gsettings reset "? [15:13] :D [15:14] thanks seb128 [15:14] yw [15:14] or what seb128 said :P === alan_g|vt is now known as alan_g|tea [15:33] Laney, I get a "checking for update" that never stops spinning (or it's very slow to check) [15:33] same [15:33] so it didn't fix that [15:33] wait a bit and see if you get the popover to actually install the update [15:33] don't let the screen blank in case that bug still exists === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:35] it seems to be download, seeing the latency increase on my IRC [15:35] downloading even [15:37] ya [15:37] not sure if we should have this fixed before landing stuff? [15:37] yeah, trying to :p [15:37] does Diego irc? [15:39] shrug, I wonder what it's doing, the update shouldn't be that much data!? [15:39] is that a regression? [15:40] mine was 230M or so [15:40] he's "gatox" [15:41] Laney, ok, got the popover "install&restart" screen [15:41] what do you want me to do from there? [15:41] decline so I keep in a state where I can test new changes? [15:41] though I guess they are going to keep generating images, we should have a newer one with small delta soon [15:41] (wth with the lag?) [15:42] yeah [15:42] gatox: hey ;-) [15:42] Laney, I think I should be over the lag [15:42] second..... meeting [15:42] Can you read the previous few minutes ↑? [15:42] There's a problem with the update panel in system-settings if you enter it while a download is already in progress [15:43] it spins 'checking for updates' and doesn't clear that [15:43] seb128: you need some QoS man [15:43] it's never an issue on my laptop with dist-upgrade, I don't know how the phone download manage to DoS [15:43] one big thing vs many smaller ones I guess [15:43] I wonder if they do uploads as well, that's usually what creates latency for me [15:43] able to saturate your connection more [15:44] likely [15:44] so, should I apply the update? [15:44] ogra, didrocks: when are you guys rolling a new image? ;-) [15:45] lemme see if I can get this with --testing=update-manual-success [15:45] seb128, latest at 3am UTC [15:45] seb128, we have issues that we need to identify first [15:45] ok [15:45] (android 4.4 switch was on the weekend) [15:45] let me decly that upgrade then [15:45] decline even [15:46] I need to be outdated to be able to test the upgrade panel [15:46] ogra, thanks [15:46] seb128, I didn't manage to reproduce this bug: #1283297 but from what I see in the backlog, his key (monitor_name) was empty, so I've fixed the race condition where we have an empty monitor_name, so, if you have a moment, could you verify that you don't get a seg fault before I do the MP? [15:46] Launchpad bug 1283297 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "unity-control-center crashed with SIGSEGV in g_variant_lookup_value()" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1283297 [15:46] :) [15:48] hikiko, ok, testing that in a bit === psivaa-afk-bbl is now known as psivaa [15:50] thanks a lot seb128 === charles_ is now known as charles [16:00] Laney, seb128 i'm back.... which seems to be the problem with updates?? i didn't follow [16:02] gatox, if you have "download auto on wifi" and do "system-settings -> wait to see the banner with update available -> click on it", the updates panel has the "check fo update with spinner" displayed for the whole download time [16:03] seb128, can you file a bug and assign that to me? I'll try to take a look at that today or tomorrow [16:03] Laney, ^ do we have one already? [16:05] No, because it's caught up with all the stuff being tested for the other updates problem [16:12] seb128: Hopefully some CJK users add their views on the list. I'm just a 'middle man'. ;-) [16:13] GunnarHj, yeah, let's see [16:13] GunnarHj, thanks for stepping up for those users ;-) [16:14] seb128: No problem. I tend to jump at everything i18n... [16:19]