[00:36] <diddledan> grr @ io blocking
[00:36] <diddledan> seems to be causing me to disconnect, too
[00:37] <ali1234> io blocking?
[00:37] <diddledan> ali1234: my mac appears to hang on heavy io
[00:37] <ali1234> running linux?
[00:37] <diddledan> no, osx
[00:37] <ali1234> oh, well, gl with that :)
[00:38] <diddledan> indeed
[00:38] <ali1234> if it was linux i'd tell you to switch to noop scheduler on USB flash drives
[00:38] <ali1234> that seems to fix it
[00:38] <shauno> is it on usb?
[00:38] <diddledan> I am actually in the process of getting ubuntu installed, which brought this issue to light. copying my music onto a fat32 partition caused my mac to completely grind to a halt
[00:43] <shauno> I'd be kinda worried about that
[00:44] <shauno> it shouldn't be struggling at all.  have you tried fsck/DU ?
[00:44] <shauno> (or are you just copying all your files onto a drive that's acting broken, and then gonna pull a sadface when it turns out they never made it)
[00:45] <diddledan> it's my inbuilt system drive
[00:45] <diddledan> it seems to be ok again now
[00:46] <diddledan> stil doing a poo-load of io but it's not hanging anymore
[00:46] <shauno> I'd still be tempted to pop open Disk Utility and see if Verify coughs up any fs corruption, etc
[00:46] <diddledan> I wonder if I was writing to blocks that hadn't been trim'd
[00:49] <shauno> or find some other way to verify the contents once they get there.  because that's a pretty dodgy scenario.  you move everything from A to B so that A has space to wipe & install ubuntu.  and then find out that B is buggered and it's all gone
[00:51] <shauno> reminds me of a mistake I made installing debian *years* ago though.  moved everything from disk1 to disk2 so disk1 was nice and clean and empty
[00:51] <shauno> and then accidentally installed debian to disk2 instead
[00:51] <diddledan> it'll all be "in the cloud" if it is buggered
[00:51] <diddledan> sorry language*
[00:51] <diddledan> lol
[00:51] <diddledan> oops
[00:52] <diddledan> that's one annoying thing about unices but it can also be an advantage - the naming of block devices can be pretty random
[00:52] <diddledan> you know it's disk one in osx but it suddenly becomes sdb in loonicks
[00:52] <diddledan> disk1*
[00:52] <diddledan> disk0* even
[00:52] <shauno> well, that was seriously potato-era.  I'd be just as welling to blame human error.  some lessons you just can't forget
[00:53] <diddledan> mm, mashed potato
[00:53] <shauno> here's trivia; if you boot a mac from efi on usb, the disks are always numbered backwards
[00:54] <shauno> on the plus side it means the boot media is always disk0.  on the down side it means my two hdd are reversed
[00:55] <shauno> but even grub-efi behaves the same
[00:58] <shauno> anyhoo, I'm off to bed.  but distrust and verify; the only time I've managed to sink mine so hard that other apps were unresponsive, was when I went 300Gb into swap with a Blender accident
[01:03] <diddledan> \o/
[01:03] <diddledan> blender accidents sound messy, but fun
[01:03] <shauno> capital-B for a reason ;)
[01:05] <shauno> (watch /var/log/system.log too.  it's surprisingly not useless)
[01:06] <daftykins> XD
[01:07] <daftykins> 300GB?
[01:09] <ali1234> fairly easy to do
[01:10] <ali1234> convert a video file to animated gif and open in eog, it will allocate hundreds of gigabytes because it tries to hold every frame uncompressed in memory
[01:10] <ali1234> the animated gif may be only a couple of GB
[01:11] <daftykins> D:
[01:11] <ali1234> also the oomkiller won't kill it until it has actually used all that memory due to copy-on-write
[01:11] <daftykins> that seems greatly flawed
[01:12] <shauno> it was my first attempt at rendering minecraft maps.  I suspect I bot off too big a chunk
[01:12] <ali1234> so this will lock up the machine for a rather long time
[01:12] <shauno> (and osx pages to dynamic files rather than a partition, so it'll happily eat swap until it runs out of disk)
[01:12] <ali1234> lol that's even worse
[01:12] <ali1234> anyway, cgroups fixes this i hope
[01:12] <ali1234> we can reserve physical memory for the system and force other processes to swap
[01:13] <ali1234> so now swap is actually useful again :)
[01:13] <shauno> most the time it's happy because I live in <64Mb swap.  when it's not happy it's really not happy
[01:13] <popey> \o/
[01:14] <popey> surprised my laptop is only using 560KB swap at the moment
[01:14] <popey> KiB Mem:  16314212 total, 15742300 used,   571912 free,     1700 buffers
[01:14] <popey> KiB Swap:  8501244 total,      560 used,  8500684 free.  9165432 cached Mem
[01:14] <ali1234> why would it use any at all when you have 16GB?
[01:15] <popey> chromium
[01:15] <daftykins> D:
[01:15] <daftykins> popey: how many tabs? XD
[01:15] <ali1234> you haven;t even used 8GB
[01:15] <popey> not so many today
[01:15] <popey> yeah, today
[01:15] <ali1234> chromium isn't *that* heavy on ram
[01:15] <popey> its way better than it was
[01:15] <popey> it is with 2 profiles open with ~60 tabs open
[01:16] <popey> but as I say,things are better now
[01:16] <popey> there was a monster xorg leak recently which was solved, which makes me happy
[01:16] <ali1234> was that the crashy one?
[01:16] <shauno> swapping a little isn't always a bad thing.  if something genuinely hasn't been touched for hours, it makes sense to write it out
[01:16] <popey> no, leaky one
[01:16] <popey> I have a new crasher!
[01:17] <shauno> what do you win when you collect them all?
[01:17] <popey> bug 1283568
[01:17] <popey> also crashes when changing resolution
[01:17]  * popey changes the title of that bug
[01:18] <ali1234> this is why i use nvidia
[01:18] <popey> well indeed
[01:18] <shauno> are they not the same thing?  undocking for me means a monitor goes missing
[01:18] <ali1234> incidentally, unity-greeter is broken with nvidia on trusty
[01:18] <popey> oh?
[01:18] <popey> wfm
[01:19] <ali1234> it ignores the xorg.conf, which means you can't arrange your monitors
[01:19] <ali1234> this persists into the user session
[01:20] <ali1234> doesn't happen with the other lightdm greeters
[01:20] <ali1234> it's probably something to do with mir. does 14.04 use XMir by default for unity?
[01:21] <popey> its nothing to do with mir
[01:21] <popey> there's no mir in 14.04
[01:21] <popey> i did have a problem with lightdm last week though
[01:21] <popey> i switched to gdm for a day
[01:21] <ali1234> what was the problem?
[01:21] <popey> i dont know.
[01:21] <popey> well, lightdm wouldn't start
[01:21] <popey> or would, sometimes
[01:22] <ali1234> hmm.. worked okay for me with the gtk-greeter
[01:22] <popey> both on intel and nvidia, very inconsistent and I needed to work so just installed gdm and forgot it
[01:22] <ali1234> i dont really understand why the greeter makes any difference, i mean lightdm runs the X server
[01:23] <popey> well no
[01:23] <popey> lightdm runs its own x server
[01:23] <popey> AIUI
[01:23] <popey> ← not an expert
[01:23] <popey>  /var/log/lightdm/ reveals its own xorg log separate from /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:23] <ali1234> lightdm runs the X server, then it runs the greeter inside it. then the greeter exits and the desktop loads up. same X server
[01:23] <popey> hm
[01:24] <popey> i thought they were separate, huh.
[01:24] <ali1234> we use this in xubuntu to keep the wallpaper present when the session loads up
[01:24] <popey> ah, nice.
[01:24] <ali1234> it's also why the nvidia and unity=greeter problem persists into the session
[01:24] <popey> flicker-free stuff?
[01:24] <ali1234> yeah
[01:24] <popey> nice
[01:26] <ali1234> lightdm does it's own logging of the X server for the lock screen. that can be implemented as a second X session (although that doesn't work to well and i think all sessions dropped it because of the console kit mess)
[01:27] <diddledan> what does consolekit do?
[01:27]  * diddledan googles
[01:27] <diddledan> aah it's deprecated
[01:28] <diddledan> in favour of further monoliticating systemd
[01:28] <diddledan> monolithicating**
[01:28] <ali1234> when you switch to a different VT (ie ctrl-alt-f1) console kit changes the permissions on the audio devices for "security"
[01:29] <ali1234> also does a bunch of other stuff
[01:29] <ali1234> this means your audio stops playing when the screen locks, if a second X session is used
[01:29] <popey> bedlington
[01:29] <popey> nn
[01:29] <ali1234> musingly this actually provides no security at all
[01:29] <diddledan> nn popey
[01:29] <ali1234> it only happens because pulseaudio cooperates with console kit
[01:31] <ali1234> a malicious user can open devices and keep access, because linux does not support revoking file descriptors
[01:31] <ali1234> so for example you can login, open the webcam, then switch user... and then spy on whoever logs in next
[01:31] <diddledan> nice!
[01:31] <ali1234> console kit will change the permissions on the device so that you can't open it any more, but you already opened it...
[01:31] <shauno> I tend to nuke consolekit because I don't like it taking up half a screen of top on headless machines / VMs
[01:32] <diddledan> does -server even install it?
[01:32] <shauno> it appears so
[01:32] <ali1234> yes, because it works with VTs and there are always VTs
[01:33] <diddledan> I don't see any on a vm I run
[01:33] <shauno> I tend to get a bit obsessive about keeping a short process list though.  I even kill gettys I don't want
[01:33] <diddledan> there's a load of kworker
[01:34] <diddledan> and ksoftirqd
[01:34] <ali1234> i guess actually it is not installed
[01:34] <diddledan> and migration and watchdog, but no consolekit
[01:34] <shauno> hm, I wonder why I keep ending up with it
[01:36] <diddledan> maybe the cloudimage release includes it where a from-scratch install doesn't
[01:36] <daftykins> g'night all, have a good week \o
[01:37] <diddledan> nn daftykins
[01:37] <shauno> it appears to be present in http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-12.04.4-server-amd64.list
[01:38] <diddledan> shauno: but then so is bind9 which afaik isn't installed by default
[01:39] <diddledan> and byobu
[01:39] <shauno> right, that's offered up by tasksel at the end of the install
[01:40] <diddledan> exactly it's optional so that list tells you squat about what's installed by default
[01:41] <shauno> otoh it's probably on the disk for a reason.  it's a bit late for me to try it now, and I can't remember where the seeds are
[01:41] <shauno> but I've certainly never installed it intentionally, because it's frankly braindead on a VM
[02:08] <map> hm
[02:08] <map> how can i make something simply start when my machines boots up
[02:08] <map> say shoutcast for example
[02:09] <map> i thought i could just make a basic script launching the shoutcast dameon chuck it in /etc/init.d and do update-rc.d?
[02:11] <ali1234> there are multiple ways to do it
[02:11] <map> ah
[02:12] <ali1234> that isn't one of them though
[02:12] <ali1234> do you really want it to run on bootup?
[02:12] <ali1234> or when you log in?
[02:12] <map> on boot id prefer
[02:12] <diddledan> for the basic script approach I believe /etc/rc.local is still supported
[02:12] <map> for on login i could use /etc/profile.d no?
[02:12] <ali1234> yes. you can also set cron job @reboot i think
[02:12] <diddledan> yes @reboot cron jobs also work
[02:12] <ali1234> for running things at login use xdg-autostart
[02:13] <ali1234> also you can use upstart to do both (if your session supports it)
[02:13] <diddledan> the advantage of @reboob cron is that any user with cron access can run a script at reboot under their own userspace
[02:13] <diddledan> they don't need root perms is what I mean
[02:14] <map> i see upstart? not sure what that means ..seen it mentioned when i was reading some docs
[02:14] <diddledan> upstart is a replacement for init
[02:14] <diddledan> it's jobs are defined in /etc/init/
[02:15] <diddledan> they're not "standard scripts" however
[02:15] <map> ah
[02:15] <map> can you not use old init and upstart then?
[02:17] <diddledan> the advantage of upstart vs the older method of scripts in /etc/rc?.d/foo is that the latter is purely alphabetically ordered and executes in series whereas upstart jobs can start in parallel and can be fired based on more than just init-level
[02:17] <diddledan> runlevel**
[02:18] <diddledan> e.g. start the ntp client only after network is fully operational and can reach the outside world
[02:18] <map> ya
[02:19] <diddledan> it's actually defined more like "when network starts I want ntp client to start" rather than being a limit it's a "as soon as this happens I want that to occur"
[02:20] <diddledan> inverted order of control I guess
[02:20] <diddledan> each job defined what flags cause it to start and as soon as that flag is waved the job begins
[02:21] <diddledan> the flag can be waved by any number of different actors, though, so it makes for really fine-grained control
[02:21] <map> is upstart only ubuntu though?
[02:22] <diddledan> yes, and it's also going to be dropped at some time in the future (post 14.04) when debian migrates to systemd
[02:23] <map> oh
[02:23] <diddledan> but for the forseeable future it's staying until systemd is properly tested and integrated by debian
[02:23] <map> confusing..so what does say suse use?
[02:23] <ali1234> systemd
[02:23] <map> ah ok
[02:24] <ali1234> everything uses systemd except for slackware, gentoo, ubuntu, and chromeOS
[02:24] <diddledan> debian 8 doesn't feature freeze until november(?) so we're not likely to see systemd in ubuntu until 15.04 at the ealiest (IMO - large grain of salt required)
[02:24] <ali1234> oh and debian for now
[02:24] <ali1234> of those, only ubuntu and chromeOS use upstart
[02:24] <diddledan> gentoo uses it's own concoction
[02:25] <ali1234> well the same could be said of ubuntu
[02:25] <diddledan> I guess slackware still runs initv?
[02:25] <ali1234> prolly
[02:38] <mapps> stupid router
[02:38] <mapps> :D
[03:46] <diddledan> so now that galaxynexus isn't supported on ubuntu touch is there an unofficial port yet?
[03:53] <ali1234> ask popey tomorrow
[03:55] <diddledan> willdo
[03:56] <diddledan> it looks like cdimage.ubuntu.com is still getting precompiled dailies
[03:56] <diddledan> for maguro (gnex)
[03:56] <ali1234> also dholbach seemed to be interested in coordinating community efforts
[03:57] <stgraber> diddledan: it's not, look at the actual timestamp
[03:57] <ali1234> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg05892.html
[03:57] <diddledan> stgraber: from here? http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[03:58] <stgraber> diddledan: right
[03:58] <diddledan> stgraber: looks up-to-date to me
[03:58] <ali1234> what do you mean by "actual timestamp"
[03:58] <stgraber> diddledan: if you look, all files are from the 24th except for maguro that's from the 22nd
[03:58] <stgraber> diddledan: ah no, not that link
[03:58] <stgraber> diddledan: that shows you old images from the 20th
[03:59] <stgraber> diddledan: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/pending/ for the actual recent one (after maguro was deprecated)
[03:59] <diddledan> aah yes
[03:59] <ali1234> so you really only stopped 4 days ago?
[03:59] <ali1234> or is that just how long it took for the code to bitrot to the point of not building?
[04:00] <diddledan> lol
[04:01] <ali1234> when i did the galaxysmtd port it took about a month before it was totally broken by ubuntu changes (to the point of not even producing an image), so that would be about right
[04:02] <stgraber> ali1234: I'm not sure about the details, though I suspect maguro was removed as a build target of the android package, at which point it caused cdimage to fail to extract the files and everything to get in the current state
[04:02] <diddledan> well. theoretically my gnex isn't required for day-to-day usage so I guess I could _try_ to come up with a port myself
[04:02] <stgraber> ali1234: cdimage expires files after a week, so I'd expect maguro to be completely gone by then
[04:05] <diddledan> is the buildd setup documented anywhere? and the CI train? i.e. could I replicate the infrastructure easily (following a guide)?
[04:05] <diddledan> I guess I need to join ubuntu-touch
[04:05] <diddledan> #
[04:06] <ali1234> that's basically the question dholbach asked on the ML. nobody answered
[04:59] <diddledan> stgraber: you've got a nice post on your blog on setting up a touch image server :-)
[05:08] <Hornet> fun question: how can I move an entire filesystem to another drive, on an existing machine?
[05:09] <Hornet> background: building a server, which comes with a 250gb drive. once this is set up and my raid array is installed and tested, I'd want to move the OS to the raid, and replace the 250 with a 1tb drive
[05:10] <Hornet> short of having the whole damn thing running from a USB stick for however long the raid takes to be tested & build, the simplest option I can think of is simply reinstall the entire OS?
[05:10] <MartijnVdS> Hornet: it is possible to copy filesystems, either "all content" or *everything*
[05:10] <diddledan> Hornet: you'll want to do it offline. either tar it up and copy across, or rsync it across or dd it block-by-block
[05:11] <diddledan> ello MartijnVdS
[05:11] <Hornet> hm
[05:11] <MartijnVdS> or fsarchiver only he used blocks
[05:11] <MartijnVdS> he=the
[05:11] <Hornet> I suppose if everything's referencing the mount point rather than the uuid, it might be okay with that
[05:12] <diddledan> ooh, I not heard of fsarchiver before
[05:12] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: http://www.fsarchiver.org/Fsarchiver_vs_partimage
[05:12] <Hornet> it's new to me too
[05:13] <Hornet> sounds interesting though
[05:13] <MartijnVdS> Hornet: no better time to learn ;)
[05:28] <Hornet> http://clonezilla.org also interesting
[06:48] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:52] <diddledan> mornin
[06:56] <MooDoo> another day eh!
[07:05] <jussi> monday :/
[07:21] <diddledan> so.. umm.. the lego movie.. discuss
[07:21] <diddledan> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ_JOBCLF-I)
[07:22] <MooDoo> diddledan: not seen it, but my son and wife loved it
[07:22] <diddledan> looks completely insane
[07:23] <diddledan> argh, why on ubuntu when you click "restart" after doing a load of updates (on a button that says "restart") does it then pop up another box asking if you want to restart or shutdown?!
[07:24] <diddledan> surely it would be simpler to just restart at that point, no?!
[07:24] <diddledan> considering the button actually says "restart"
[07:25] <MooDoo> It's ubuntu being nice to you ;)
[07:25] <diddledan> yeah but from a UX standpoint it sucks
[07:25] <MooDoo> yup
[07:25] <mapps> hey
[07:25] <mapps> morning
[07:26] <MooDoo> morning mapps
[07:26] <diddledan> if you click a button that says "restart" it seems to me it would be a good idea to actually do that
[07:27] <diddledan> it's almost as bad as windows UAC: "are you sure you wanted to click that button?"
[07:28] <jussi> diddledan: total +++++ from me!
[07:29] <diddledan> contempt: your internet is broken yet again
[07:29] <mapps> sup guys
[07:30] <mapps> y'all ever sleep diddledan ?:P
[07:30] <diddledan> mapps: sometimes
[07:30] <diddledan> mapps: depends which underwear I'm wearing I guess
[07:30] <mapps> ;]
[07:30] <diddledan> I'll sleep tonight
[07:34] <mapps> air enough
[07:34] <mapps> *fair
[07:35] <mapps> just listening to coldplay - fix you live at glasto :D
[07:36] <jussi> diddledan: sleeps every tuesday for 3 hours.
[07:36] <jussi> :P
[07:36] <diddledan> lol
[07:37] <diddledan> I don't sleep, I regenerate
[07:38] <jussi> hahhah
[07:38] <MooDoo> I'm a vampire, so I'm ok as well
[07:38] <mapps> gotta decide soon
[07:38] <mapps> if im going back this year
[07:38] <diddledan> it's either that or kel'nareem
[07:39] <mapps> the older i get the less i can be bothered with festivals really
[07:39] <jussi> MooDoo: "He's a vampire and he's ok, he sucks all night and he sleeps all day" :D
[07:40] <mapps> lugging stuff there..camping on uncomfortable ground and then lugging it all back
[07:40] <diddledan> mapps: and mud
[07:40] <mapps> yep
[07:40] <jussi> and smelly people
[07:40] <diddledan> mapps: and portastinkyloo
[07:40] <mapps> i thought it was all fun when i was i guess 20-21
[07:40] <mapps> im 29 now
[07:40] <mapps> not sure if i can be bothered
[07:41] <mapps> its pretty horrific train from Paddington -> Castle Carey then like a 30min back breaking walk bags /tent/bags full of booze
[07:41] <mapps> to then go to sleep in a field and be uncomfortable
[07:42] <mapps> if you could drive/somehow get right to the campsite itd be different
[07:42] <mapps> but its an absolute killer
[07:49] <mapps> true detective is so good
[07:55] <diddledan_> true detective?
[07:55] <MooDoo> mapps: damn has the first ep of that been on?
[07:55] <MooDoo> diddledan_: new detective show
[08:00] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait davmor2_
[08:06] <MooDoo> oooo freenode still being ddos'd?
[08:06] <jussi> yeah, for like... the last 3 weeks? :P
[08:07] <MooDoo> jussi: sigh :( best get ready for another day of red [Netsplit]
[08:09] <jussi> MooDoo: :/
[08:13] <diplo> Morning all
[08:14] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[08:14] <diplo> Good weekend MooDoo ?
[08:15] <MooDoo> diplo: yeah not bad thanks, just looking at storage solutions and making my own :)
[08:16] <jussi> MooDoo: what kind of storage solutions?
[08:16] <MooDoo> jussi: big nas, ever heard of backblaze?
[08:16] <MooDoo> jussi: just thinking something like this - http://blog.backblaze.com/2013/02/20/180tb-of-good-vibrations-storage-pod-3-0/
[08:17] <diplo> Storage solutions for work ? I'm guessing at that size :)
[08:17] <MooDoo> diplo: well no home/friends/potential something in the future ;)
[08:18] <jussi> MooDoo: interesting.
[08:18] <MooDoo> diplo: got a lot of friends who do photography who want storage off site.
[08:18] <diplo> Just reading the page, I'm guessing you're not going for the 180TB size ? Be rather large and loud and hot
[08:19] <MooDoo> diplo: no bit extreame for me at the moment, but if it's in a DC does it matter?
[08:19] <diplo> ah yes, you work at heart ?
[08:19] <MooDoo> diplo: I do, but not for here, personal project
[08:19] <diplo> Yeah but I mean you get low cost hosting ?
[08:19] <MooDoo> diplo: yeah
[08:20] <diplo> Ah right, I was going to say wouldn't a microserver be anygood with 6 or so 4TB drives but that's better
[08:25] <MooDoo> open to all suggestions, just looking around at moment :D
[08:25] <ali1234> remember to partition each disk into 500GB partitions for maximum efficiency
[08:25] <ali1234> then make each one a separate samba share
[08:27] <jussi> MooDoo: have you had a glance at owncloud? (no idea if it is suitable for you, but its being used out there)
[08:28] <MooDoo> jussi: I'll have a look, thinking about freenas as well
[08:29] <jussi> wow, Nokia, now owned by MS, releases android phones... http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/24/5440498/nokia-x-android-phone-hands-on
[08:32] <jussi> 109€ only for the 5" model
[08:33] <diddledan_> that's cheap
[08:35] <jussi> yeah, and 89€ for the base, 4" model
[09:13] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:15] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:15] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:18] <NET||abuse> hi folks, i'm trying to start using google tasks for a bit now, but unity-gtasks-indicator isn't available for 13.10
[09:19] <NET||abuse> sorry, google-tasks-indicator,, wrong name
[09:19] <NET||abuse> every google shows that as the thing to grab to use it, but no joy here. anyone have a solution?
[09:20] <NET||abuse> I want something that i see on my desktop, my mobile and the fact it's in my email interface is handy, even adding calendar events automatically which then show up on my indicator applet too
[09:20] <NET||abuse> so it seems like a good solution if i can just get the native desktop peice
[09:26] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Bartender Day! :-D
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: cheers!
[09:28] <jussi> Bartender day!
[09:28] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:28] <jussi> Ill have to go to the bar then!
[09:29]  * JamesTait feels a disclaimer may have been a good idea.
[09:30] <NET||abuse> hmm, pup eh?
[09:30] <NET||abuse> errr... pub I mean
[09:30] <NET||abuse> need a good wifi pub
[09:33] <MooDoo> pub beer
[09:34] <BigRedS> A little while ago there was a bug whereby odd lines of text wouldn't render properly (in terminals, Firefox textareas etc.); anyone remember that and/or what a workaround was?
[09:35] <BigRedS> I'm sure I had it but it's not in the short list of bugs associated with my name on launchpad
[09:47] <hazrpg> \o
[09:48] <BigRedS> Goood Morning!
[09:48] <MooDoo> morning
[09:53] <hazrpg> good morning to you too :)
[09:58] <hoover> Morning
[10:04] <brobostigon> morning hoover
[10:04] <brobostigon> morning hazrpg
[10:11] <jussi> hrm, I didnt think I was supposed to be this energetic on a monday...
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> jussi: you shouldn't have gone to the pub this early ;)
[10:12] <jussi> MartijnVdS: hahahah
[10:15] <jussi> these look interesting if you have a mac/iphone/ipad...
[10:15] <jussi> http://lastucase.com/product/lastu-for-macbook-proair/
[10:15] <jussi> (knightwise Im looking at you :D )
[11:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:04] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[11:32] <bigcalm> !ping
[11:33] <DJones> Yup, you're still here
[11:34] <MooDoo> ah well I'm still in two minds over my nas setup lol
[11:36] <bigcalm> DJones: that's debatable
[11:36] <bigcalm> DJones: did you pick a laptop?
[11:36] <DJones> I've picked on, just waiting for the chance to get it
[11:37] <bigcalm> I'm still very pleased with the one I bought. Excited for the 14.04 release but the system is pretty stable as is
[11:37] <MooDoo> aparrently system 76 do so pretty hot laptop
[11:38] <MooDoo> s
[11:38] <DJones> This is what I'm looking at http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-Y510p-15-6-inch-Laptop-Dusk/dp/B00HR6TXF8/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1393241815&sr=1-1&keywords=y510p
[11:39] <MooDoo> looks nice
[11:45] <diddledan> I just discovered someone's forked xchat
[11:45] <diddledan> hexchat is the new name :-p
[11:45] <jussi> hehe
[11:45] <jussi> I havent used anything except quassel for ages...
[11:46] <diddledan> c.f. http://hexchat.github.io
[11:46] <MooDoo> diddledan: but free for both platforms
[11:46] <jussi> its just too ideal for me :)
[11:46] <diddledan> MooDoo, at last
[11:46] <diplo> I've debated going back to a irc app rather than irssi
[11:46] <diplo> I really want tiled windows though
[11:46] <diddledan> they've put some actual development effor into it besides just staving off bitrot
[11:47] <MooDoo> I prefer irssi as I can use it at work ssh'd into my vps
[11:48] <diddledan> I like point-n-click
[11:48] <diplo> I can never get tiling right in irssi, so I've left it with alt+<char>
[11:49] <diddledan> in related news, however, my workstation is now back on ubuntu!
[11:49] <MooDoo> woohoo
[11:49] <diddledan> osx-begone
[11:49] <MooDoo> diddledan: hackintosh?
[11:49] <diddledan> well, I say "gone" it's still installed but grub prolly can't boot it
[11:49] <diddledan> nah, this is a bona fide macbook pro
[11:50] <diddledan> retina no less
[11:50] <MooDoo> 13.10 or 14.04? diddledan ? as the lts has lovely corner smothing for icons :D
[11:51] <diddledan> I've og t14.04 on here for now
[11:51] <diddledan> got*
[11:51] <diddledan> the ui scaling thing doesn't appear to change anything though for me
[11:51] <MooDoo> yay 14.04 is nice, albeit alpha
[11:52] <diddledan> maybe I should logout and back-in?
[11:53] <diddledan> I'ma try that
[11:53] <diddledan> brb
[11:53] <bigcalm> I've been using ychat on Windows (when I have to use Windows) but it's very out of date and unmaintained now
[12:05] <ikonia> diddledan: did you say you have 14.04 of a retina mbp
[12:05] <diddledan> ikonia, yes
[12:05] <ikonia> diddledan: has the font/retina problem been resolved ?
[12:05] <diddledan> ikonia, I don't know what problem that is to be able to tell you whether it's been fixed or not
[12:06] <ikonia> it was to do with how retina displayed certain ubuntu fonts, it couldn't do them nativly when using retina resolutions so used to mess up scaling them
[12:06] <ikonia> mess up, scaling them, not "upscaling" them
[12:06] <diddledan> ikonia, the scaling slider doesn't appear to change any scaling on mine
[12:06] <ikonia> ok, so probably still broke at some level then
[12:07] <diddledan> so I can't tell you about any issues with specific quirks
[12:07] <diddledan> it's just completely broken for me
[12:07] <diddledan> everything appears at 1x no matter what I put the slider at
[12:17] <popey> where are you seeing teh slider?
[12:17] <popey> (because the slider is gone for me)
[12:18] <diddledan> popey, in "System Settings -> Screen Display"
[12:18] <popey> ah
[12:18] <popey> I'm not touching that
[12:19] <popey> makes my x splode
[12:32] <bigcalm> Poor eggs
[12:33] <MooDoo> bigcalm: stop with the eggs jokes already, I'm not eggagerating you know....you'll put these kind yolks off from logging into irc
[12:35]  * popey ponders lunch
[12:36]  * MooDoo has given up coffee and meat for the week :S
[12:36] <davmor2> MooDoo: mad fool
[12:38] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah trying to see if it'll make me feel any better
[12:44] <davmor2> MooDoo: greentea with lemon.  Or take up drinking Mate (pronounce Matee)  from argentina :)
[12:44] <MooDoo> cheers :D
[12:47] <MooDoo> davmor2: just got myself a white tea bag, trying that
[12:49] <davmor2> MooDoo: a standard tea doesn't drop the caffeine so you are still in the same boat other than not eating meat :P
[12:57] <MooDoo> davmor2: It's organic white tea, i'm sure it's not as bad as the coffee I drink right?
[12:57] <MooDoo> davmor2: ps how was that qa thing you went to?
[12:57] <davmor2> MooDoo: ah right sorry :)]=
[12:57] <hazrpg> morning brobostigon :)
[12:57] <brobostigon> afternoon hazrpg :)
[12:58] <davmor2> MooDoo: Busy as hell and in a crappy timezone with slowband so happy to be home :)
[12:58] <MooDoo> davmor2: yay, saw the pics of you, you broke the camera ;)
[12:58] <hazrpg> brobostigon: yeah I just realised the time - time flies quickly, feels like it was just 10am a moment ago o.O
[12:58] <davmor2> No I didn't :P  it was a phone :D
[12:58] <brobostigon> hazrpg: very true, it does, :)
[12:58] <MooDoo> davmor2: pah I'll come next time and take real photos ;)
[12:59] <hazrpg> brobostigon: ^_^
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: an Ubuntu phone? ;)
[13:25] <popey> davmor2: did you get my pm?
[13:25] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: no idea I didn't take it
[13:25] <davmor2> popey: no
[13:37] <foobarry> i think he likes eating interseting food
[13:38] <foobarry> but says this is the worst thing he's ever eaten. he's eaten weird stuf too, he makes a habit of it
[13:58] <MooDoo> sigh netsplits again
[14:02] <foobarry> 7 houses burgled in my rd in 2 weeks and 1 car nicked :(
[14:02] <MooDoo> ouch
[14:02] <popey> time to move
[14:03] <MooDoo> pah all these cool ubuntu phone posts I'm seeing and I can't use it pah.....
[14:05] <popey> ☻
[14:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: yes you can part chop your phone for n4 and install away :P
[14:08] <MooDoo> davmor2: :p
[14:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: the new MWC image is beautiful if that helps at all :P
[14:12] <MooDoo> davmor2: galaxy s3 so no
[14:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: I thought there was a port for the s3
[14:14] <MooDoo> davmor2: there is but it's mostly non working
[14:14] <diddledan> can I get the mwc image on my maguro?
[14:14] <MooDoo> davmor2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i9300
[14:23] <foobarry> it might only be 2 guys doing the burgling
[14:23] <foobarry> cheeky since one got caught last week
[14:26] <popey> we had a notification come round from the cops that people were speculatively tapping on doors to see who was in at what time in the area
[14:27] <foobarry> its all night time stuff
[14:28] <davmor2> MooDoo: so there you go it works :P  I would get a back up of your phone and if you can a fresh copy of you devices image too :)
[14:29] <MooDoo> davmor2: i had enough problems with cyanogenmod, not playing with ubuntu touch, will wait until one is released natively
[15:21] <bigcalm> popey: have you played Journey of a Roach? I think you'd like the puzzler
[15:21] <popey> no
[15:22] <bigcalm> Windows only sadly
[16:37] <popey> oooh http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/image-bq-aquaris-ubuntu-phone
[16:58] <diddledan> why can't ubuntu one follow symlinks to a separate filesystem?
[16:58] <diddledan> i.e. my music folder is a symlink to a system-mounted partition
[16:59] <diddledan> ubuone refuses to share it though
[17:22] <daftykins> i looked at a real beast for a friend today
[17:22] <daftykins> picture frame costing software running under XP on a PIII 800 with 128MB RAM \o/
[17:24] <popey> heh
[17:25] <popey> I still have a "customer" using DOS on an Amstrad PC1640 ☻
[17:25] <daftykins> :D
[17:25] <daftykins> do they backup?
[17:28] <popey> yes
[17:28] <popey> he still uses a proprietary text editor from the past
[17:28] <popey> DOS based
[17:28] <daftykins> :)
[17:29] <daftykins> my dad still stands by an old spreadsheet program called Supercalc which he says had far less of even today's MS Excel limitations
[17:41] <neuro> So long, Egon Spengler :(
[17:42] <popey> aww
[17:44] <diddledan> I really should have some lunch
[17:45] <diddledan> mapps, not only do I not sleep, but I don't eat either :-p
[17:46] <neuro> not sure what to watch tonight
[17:46] <neuro> Ghostbusters or Groundhog Day
[17:50] <popey> neuro: Ghostbusters is on my list now.
[17:50] <neuro> yeah, i'm thinking same
[17:50] <neuro> i watched groundhog not that long ago
[17:50] <neuro> and ghostbusters II recently
[17:50] <neuro> but haven't watched the original in a while
[17:51] <neuro> bah
[17:52] <neuro> i must have not redownloaded it after my Great RAID Disaster of 2011
[17:52] <neuro> to the obtainage machine!
[17:53]  * popey hugs netflix
[17:53] <daftykins> neuro: did you lose much?
[17:53] <popey> reminds me, should put netflix on the kids phone
[17:53] <neuro> about 5TB
[17:53] <mapps> grmpf fell asleep during true detective
[17:54] <neuro> i had 6 1TB USB drives in a soft RAID5 array
[17:55] <neuro> one drive failed and i hadn't noticed
[17:55] <neuro> i noticed when the second one failed
[17:55] <neuro> lost A Lot
[17:55] <daftykins> :(
[17:55] <neuro> hmmm
[17:55] <neuro> 19G 1080p
[17:55] <neuro> ETA 6 minutes
[17:56] <daftykins> neuro: not sure if you've seen me speak of mine, but it's a Jan 2008 built 6 x 1TB RAID5 on a 3ware controller
[17:56] <daftykins> getting on a bit now, disks all out of warranty - could pop at any time
[17:56] <neuro> yeah, if i'd done that, i'd have noticed
[17:56] <neuro> bought a bunch of 2TB WD greens and slapped them in a couple of Netgear ReadyNAS boxes
[17:56] <neuro> much better
[17:56] <daftykins> i need to investigate why i'm not getting my friday night verification emails actually
[17:56] <daftykins> :D
[17:57] <neuro> 4 mins \o/
[17:57] <diddledan> my setup is pretty n00bish by comparison
[17:57] <diddledan> 2x2TB RAID1
[17:57] <daftykins> tbh internet connections are getting to the point where stashing isn't so necessary anymore
[17:57] <diddledan> (actually 1x2 and 1x3 but who's counting?
[17:57] <daftykins> but i certainly prefer storage over any of these streaming services
[17:58] <neuro> i pick and mix
[17:58] <neuro> for stuff i don't care that much about that's on netflix, i'll stream
[17:58] <mapps> pff ive got 6mbit;p so i need to stash;p
[17:58] <neuro> for stuff i do care about, i'll obtain
[17:58] <neuro> for stuff i really care about, i'll obtain in 1080p
[17:58] <daftykins> *nod* 1080p and DTS \o/
[17:58] <neuro> speaking of which ... 2.5 mins \o/
[17:58] <daftykins> unless it's pre-HD film era then 720p is fine
[17:58] <neuro> oh yeah, DTS
[17:58] <neuro> "pre-HD"?
[17:59] <daftykins> you know like, non-native HD cameras
[17:59] <mapps> yea
[17:59] <neuro> what??
[17:59] <daftykins> or just of an age where you know it won't benefit
[17:59] <mapps> like oldie films
[17:59] <neuro> are you mental?
[17:59] <daftykins> no i'm practical
[17:59] <neuro> i have a 1080p copy of Vertigo, it's bloody gorgeous
[17:59] <daftykins> is that that Stallone climbing one?
[17:59] <neuro> *slap*
[17:59] <daftykins> :D
[17:59] <mapps> surely if it wasnt originally filmed in hd then a h version isnt gonna be great
[17:59] <neuro> you're having a laugh
[18:00] <daftykins> mapps: nah film recapture can be quite good
[18:00] <neuro> well shot, well preserved film > digital HD
[18:00] <neuro> and when I say "HD", I mean 2K
[18:00] <neuro> Phantom Menace was shot in 2K
[18:00] <neuro> i mean, come on
[18:00] <daftykins> neuro: next you're going to tell me you can tell the difference between blurays and >10Mb transcodes :(
[18:00] <neuro> daftykins: in some cases ... :)
[18:00] <daftykins> lol
[18:00] <mapps> hm
[18:00] <neuro> < 1 min!!!
[18:00] <daftykins> goodbye!
[18:00] <daftykins> this conversation is clearly not worth it :)
[18:00] <mapps> lol
[18:01] <mapps> how do they convert an old non HD film to HD then
[18:01] <neuro> well, the difference between rips and remuxes ...
[18:01] <daftykins> ultimately, scanning it in
[18:01] <daftykins> neuro: pretty sure my wording reigned in the definition sufficiently
[18:01] <neuro> hehe
[18:01] <daftykins> muxing doesn't change anything too
[18:01] <neuro> i wasn't deliberately being awkward, sorry
[18:01] <diddledan> mapps, if it was recorded onto celluloid (cine) then it'll be pretty difficult to not tell that it wasn't a modern film
[18:01] <daftykins> ;) np
[18:01] <neuro> BOOM
[18:02] <neuro> 18.23G in ~ 6.5 mins
[18:02] <mapps> what you doing?
[18:02] <daftykins> average speed in MB/sec ?
[18:02] <neuro> "obtaining" Ghostbusters
[18:02] <neuro> daftykins: pff wasn't watching that closely
[18:02] <neuro> was peaking at about 450Mbps
[18:02] <daftykins> see i wouldn't go so high as 18GB for a film of that age
[18:02] <neuro> see, this is where i get confused
[18:02] <diddledan> hmm I made a sentence with a triple negative?
[18:03] <diddledan> my Brian hurts now
[18:03] <daftykins> sedate Brian and reword it
[18:03] <daftykins> ;)
[18:03] <neuro> the copy i just "obtained" is the 4K remaster from last year
[18:03] <neuro> and age really has nothing to do with it
[18:04] <neuro> look at some of the stuff Criterion or Lowry do
[18:04] <daftykins> 4K D:
[18:04] <neuro> they scan in the negs at 4K or 8K
[18:04] <neuro> where applicable, they do damage repair and colour correction
[18:04] <mapps> 8k wow
[18:05] <neuro> then making a 2K release for blu ray or broadcast is straight forward from htere
[18:05] <diddledan> as I say, film is pretty diffcult to tell apart from digital hd when it's captured right
[18:05] <mapps> how do they 'scan it in' that confuses me wouldnt they have to film it in 4k/8k
[18:05] <diddledan> the problem is we have a lost decade or two of video-only productions
[18:05] <neuro> and like i say, if the transfer is done well, you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between something shot on a decent Panavision 35mm from 40 years ago and something shot last week on a RED
[18:05] <daftykins> nah they have machines that do the mechanical process of a projector but just one frame at a time, then scan in each individual one
[18:06] <daftykins> then their teams go nuts on the scans reworking them as neuro says
[18:06] <mapps> ahh ok reworking frame by frame?!
[18:06] <mapps> wow
[18:06] <daftykins> well obviously digital techniques can speed that up
[18:06] <mapps> so what does it mean to scan it in at 8k then if its still got to be reworked
[18:06] <mapps> ea
[18:06] <daftykins> the easiest of which would be those disney animated ones, where they can practically just colour fill the cells :D
[18:07] <neuro> mapps: "film it in 4k/8k" ...
[18:07] <mapps> yea
[18:07] <neuro> 35mm is about 5K
[18:07] <neuro> 65mm is about 7K
[18:07] <neuro> 70mm is about 9K
[18:08] <neuro> that's optimal res with good lenses and no anamorphic production
[18:08] <mapps> has anyone seen some 4k on these ultra hd tvs
[18:09] <neuro> and you scan in at 8K if you can to ensure highest possible quality for any required repair work, and to avoid aliasing issues
[18:09] <daftykins> nah not seen anything 4K yet
[18:11] <neuro> mapps: if you're interested, read this: http://digitalcontentproducer.com/mil/features/video_real_deal_2/index.html
[18:12] <neuro> it has technical details of how Technicolor handled the scanning and restoration of Blade Runner so the Final Cut could be made
[18:12] <mapps> thanks will look
[18:13] <daftykins> mmm Blade Runner is possibly one of the best looking oldest i've seen
[18:13] <neuro> remember, it's not necessarily about age
[18:14] <neuro> when it comes to a digital release, it's all about quality of archival, and how far back up the neg chain you can go
[18:14] <daftykins> i still think it's a relevant metric for the age of recording equipment available at the time
[18:14] <neuro> if you can get the original film negatives, you're golden
[18:14] <mapps> hm Egon from ghostbusters died eh..just had bbc news notification on my phone
[18:14] <mapps> i cant remember blade runner
[18:14] <neuro> mapps: why do you think i've been talking about Ghostbusters?
[18:14] <daftykins> i don't even know which guy that is
[18:14] <mapps> i did wonder
[18:14] <mapps> lol
[18:14] <neuro> daftykins: Spengler
[18:14] <mapps> glasses guy daftykins
[18:15] <daftykins> neuro: because you're a film buff!
[18:15] <neuro> and a great director
[18:15] <daftykins> ah ok
[18:15] <mapps> um
[18:15] <daftykins> that would've been my guess
[18:15] <mapps> so if i dl 1080p of blade runner itd look decent
[18:15] <mapps> lets see
[18:15] <neuro> final cut
[18:16] <daftykins> it's gorgeous
[18:16] <neuro> i don't think the director's cut was done at higher than 2K
[18:16] <daftykins> honestly looks like it was filmed recently
[18:16] <mapps> final cut?
[18:16] <mapps> what did u get it in daftykins
[18:16] <neuro> mapps: jfgi :)
[18:16] <neuro> daftykins: i saw it in the states when it was released
[18:17] <daftykins> well we're talking a very long time ago now
[18:17] <daftykins> but i have a 720p 4.37GB version
[18:17] <neuro> had already seen it on dvd a fortnight prior after I managed to scrounge a copy of the 5 disc tin box set from a blockbuster in the east end of glasgow :)
[18:17] <neuro> but seeing it on a big screen from a fresh print ... WOW
[18:17] <mapps> yea maybe i should get old version and new so i can see the difference side by side
[18:18] <daftykins> no such chance here, no good cinema
[18:18] <neuro> mapps: don't bother
[18:18] <neuro> just get the final cut
[18:18] <daftykins> don't think i can even claim i've ever been to a decent cinema
[18:18] <mapps> ok
[18:18] <neuro> daftykins: Embarcadero Center Cinema ...
[18:18] <daftykins> honestly if you can't see the difference between DVD and HD, it's specsavers time
[18:18] <mapps> heh
[18:18] <neuro> leather seats ... twas lovely
[18:19] <mapps> imax in printworks isnt bad
[18:19] <mapps> seats are decent..enough leg room etc
[18:19] <mapps> bit expensive though being that its imax imo..like 14.50
[18:19] <diddledan> jfgi?
[18:19] <diddledan> oh right
[18:19] <diddledan> just flippin get it
[18:20] <neuro> just flippin google it :)
[18:21] <mapps> you been printworks?
[18:21] <diddledan> aah scoogle
[18:21] <neuro> mapps: who?
[18:21] <mapps> standard odeon cinemas arent great though..not much legroom
[18:21] <mapps> the imax in printworks
[18:21] <neuro> never heard of it
[18:28] <neuro> daftykins: https://www.dropbox.com/s/f9vkk6vh3kjc7lw/Screenshot%202014-02-24%2018.27.10.png (upscaled to 1440p :P )
[18:30] <mapps> hm
[18:30] <mapps> think il watch the walking dead next
[18:30] <mapps> this should be the last season..cant kep going on and on
[18:30] <mapps> *keep
[18:31]  * neuro doesn't watch it
[18:31] <neuro> may do at some point
[18:32] <diddledan> neuro, what video player is that?
[18:32] <neuro> Plex Home Theater
[18:32] <diddledan> aah
[18:32] <diddledan> xbmc-plus
[18:32] <neuro> pulling direct off Plex Media Server on my box in .fr
[18:33] <neuro> the disk cache is only just keeping up at some points
[18:33] <neuro> it's a grainy transfer so the bit rate is through the roof
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> oh is that why they added grain on a lot of blurays ;)
[18:35] <neuro> well you don't want to smooth out the grain too much or it becomes muddy
[18:36] <neuro> 36!
[18:36] <neuro> https://www.dropbox.com/s/u3ew673l2eit7b6/Screenshot%202014-02-24%2018.35.41.png
[18:38] <davmor2> neuro: oh that looks like the start of ghostbusters
[18:38] <neuro> tis
[18:39] <neuro> see previous dropbox URL
[18:39] <davmor2> neuro: nice
[18:40] <neuro> :)
[18:41] <daftykins> so many *coin miners coming in #ubuntu with AMD graphics driver installation woes of late
[18:41] <daftykins> it's really quite amusing
[18:44] <neuro> davmor2: this is nicerer though: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xviumywogq718ix/Screenshot%202014-02-24%2018.41.57.png
[18:49] <davmor2> neuro: is that the one with sandra bullock that I can't remember the name of?
[18:49] <neuro> Gravity, yeah
[18:49] <diddledan> I just had to google the name too
[18:49] <davmor2> neuro: I haven't got round to seeing that yet
[18:49] <neuro> You should, it's awesome
[18:50] <davmor2> neuro: Yeah it's on our to watch list just not had much time
[18:51] <neuro> ah oops
[18:52] <neuro> have a less spoilery screenshot then: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ttwm9fnxh7cllb2/Screenshot%202014-02-24%2018.51.22.png
[18:52] <neuro> i've watched it about six or seven times now
[18:52] <neuro> great great great film
[18:57] <MooDoo> hello all
[19:01] <daftykins> i found Gravity a yawnfest
[19:01] <daftykins> though i would happily rewatch it if someone would edit it with a running tally of the amount of damage caused as it progresses
[19:01] <daftykins> :D
[19:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: hello and welcome to film 2014
[19:03] <daftykins> XD
[19:03] <MooDoo> not watched, can't bear to see sandra bullock in space, it's a travesty
[19:03] <daftykins> she does have a habit of conveying one emotion in a lot of her work
[19:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: A lot of people are saying it made up for the Net :D
[19:03] <MooDoo> I liked the net lol
[19:04] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'm with you
[19:04] <davmor2> I also like demolitionman
[19:04] <daftykins> that was the one where she raged at a CRT in a hospital right?
[19:04] <daftykins> SANDRA SMAAAAAAASH
[19:04] <MooDoo> all that era films are great
[19:04] <MooDoo> then again I liked hackers 2, wargames 2 lol
[19:04] <davmor2> daftykins: yes
[19:05] <MooDoo> pah upgrading to ios 7 on the misses ipad / iphone
[19:06] <daftykins> i'm quite surprised at just how slow those processes are on Apple devices
[19:06] <MooDoo> this upgrade it taking yonks
[19:06] <MooDoo> installing ubuntu 14.04 is quicker lol
[19:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: films like music were awesome in the 60's-90's and copied like hell from the 00's onwards :)
[19:08] <dogmatic69> I got two blade servers (HP DL360 / DL380) that have been sitting for a couple months, tried them last night and would not turn on :/
[19:08] <dogmatic69> any ideas what could be going on?
[19:09] <directhex> you have a blade chassis at home?
[19:09] <dogmatic69> yep
[19:09] <dogmatic69> 16U
[19:09] <directhex> ._.
[19:09] <daftykins> D:
[19:09] <davmor2> neuro: talking of ghostbusters I just heard that Harold Ramis is dead :(
[19:09] <MooDoo> yeah boooooo
[19:09] <neuro> davmor2: hence the chat about ghostbusters :(
[19:09] <MooDoo> so sad :(
[19:09] <dogmatic69> directhex: they are not too bad when you have ear defenders on :D
[19:09] <davmor2> indeed
[19:10] <daftykins> dogmatic69: WHATS THAT?!
[19:10] <daftykins> :)
[19:10] <dogmatic69> lol
[19:10] <MooDoo> My sons just whatched ghostbusters for the first time last weekend
[19:10] <neuro> daftykins: you found Gravity a yawnfest?
[19:10] <daftykins> i got a 1U dual processor Pentium 4 era Xeon once
[19:10] <daftykins> neuro: yep
[19:10]  * neuro despairs :)
[19:10] <dogmatic69> so, one powers on but does nothing, the other does nothing although there is power. Both seem to have a red "error" light on the front but no idea what it means just yet
[19:11] <daftykins> time for the manuals!
[19:11] <daftykins> faulty PSU(s) maybe
[19:11] <neuro> TO THE BOOKS OF WORDS!
[19:12] <dogmatic69> daftykins: well they both have redundant power, and doubt 4 PSU's packed up while it was sitting for a couple months
[19:12] <MooDoo> I've got a 1u poweredge in the garage, just need more ram and two hard drives
[19:12] <daftykins> MooDoo: as old as mine was?
[19:12] <MooDoo> not sure what model it is, I'll let you know tomorrow lol
[19:12] <daftykins> i gave it up 'cause it had 2GB RAM fully populated and the P4 era xeons just weren't worth the 300W it was pulling
[19:13] <daftykins> plus yeah, you could hear it in every room of the house @_@
[19:13] <MooDoo> oh mines not that old, quad xeon I think
[19:13] <daftykins> i played with vmware ESXi for a bit but then recycled it
[19:14] <dogmatic69> anyone know what a PPM is in relation to a server?
[19:14] <dogmatic69> "As soon as I unseated and reseated the gold devices (PPM's)it powered up right away"
[19:15] <daftykins> processor power module
[19:15] <diddledan> I'm a rare being that enjoys pretty much any half-rate or above movie
[19:15] <dogmatic69> daftykins: tx
[19:15] <diddledan> even some that folk class as completely unwatchable I can often enjoy
[19:16] <dogmatic69> daftykins: would that be the cpu? or something else?
[19:16] <daftykins> dogmatic69: power regulation board besides the processor socket by the looks
[19:17] <dogmatic69> found details on removing / replacing but no pics :/
[19:17] <daftykins> http://h20464.www2.hp.com/resultsCSR.htm?prodSeriesId=327558&MEID=D6203541-9D6C-4F81-8F5A-3A4031DAE5ED
[19:17] <daftykins> apparently there's a vid when clicking 'Processor Power' on the left
[19:17] <daftykins> but i just get plugin requests
[19:17] <MooDoo> anyone have a way to slow down the mouse wheel scroll?
[19:17] <foobarry> wow. 2nd surviving lancaster is flying over from canada in august for some double action flypasts
[19:21] <MooDoo> well that was an easy fix lol
[19:29] <^2fC> lo all =)
[19:29] <^2fC> Long time now speaks!
[19:29] <^2fC> diddledan, daftykins, MooDoo... :)
[19:32] <MooDoo> ^2fC: hello :D
[19:35] <dogmatic69> MooDoo: my mouse has buttons on it for that
[19:45] <foobarry> sitting down opening the letters i've received since 2014
[19:46] <davmor2> MooDoo: did you goto mouse in the settings app and slow it down?
[19:48] <MooDoo> davmor2: no options for the scroll wheel, turns out as it's a wireless usb, pulling it out and putting it back in fixes it
[19:48] <davmor2> MooDoo: haha
[19:49] <foobarry> my wifes one slows down the mouse movement if you hold down buttons L and R
[19:51] <foobarry> does kindle open .mobi books?
[19:51] <davmor2> foobarry: I don't know look at the specs sheet
[19:56] <foobarry> seems to. although i'm confused about sending to a kindle.com email addres vs free.kindle.com
[20:04] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... now speaking from new pooter... only settings that didn't transfer was for Pidin. Anyone know where Pidgin keeps it's settings? [old disk attached on SATA2 waiting to be used as a backup ;)
[20:05] <directhex> ~/.purple
[20:05] <SuperEngineer> cheers directhex
[20:08] <SuperEngineer> wee! it works ;)
[20:09] <SuperEngineer> cheers again directhex - that was puzzling me
[20:46] <dogmatic69> well, been checking more and the DL380 that does nothing actually all the fans power up for a sec and then die again
[20:47] <dogmatic69> so its like the whole things gets power and then cuts out
[20:48] <shauno> sounds like how they panic when they can't sense the cpu fan
[20:49] <diddledan> why are all the H's on my screen suddenly looking like they're i's
[20:49] <ali1234> corrupted font cache
[20:50] <ali1234> common on intel and amd graphics, oh and nouveau
[20:50] <diddledan> aah probably due to the issue I've been getting intermittently with intel on trusty hanging for a few moments
[20:50] <ali1234> yeah
[20:50] <directhex> dogmatic69, reset the CMOS battery?
[20:52] <dogmatic69> directhex: as in just pop it out and in again?
[20:52] <directhex> yeah
[20:52] <dogmatic69> cool, will try
[20:53] <mapps> http://www.ip2location.com/developers/debian-package - how do you actually run it? it just mentions running a test
[20:55] <mapps> anyone
[21:03] <shauno> short version, you don't
[21:04] <mapps> shauno, what do you mean
[21:05] <shauno> it's a library, not a standalone tool.  so it's intended to provide that functionality to other programs
[21:05] <mapps> ah
[21:05] <mapps> so i cant run it from the command line and use it in say a bash script
[21:06] <shauno> not without writing something that uses that library, no
[21:06] <mapps> thanks
[21:06] <mapps> now here's a questionb..im a bit confused by i asked yesterday and upstart /etc/init.d etc mentioned - what should i lookup for how to make an app start at boot?
[21:07] <shauno> you might want to look at geoip-bin; it uses a different database (maxmind's, iirc), but it's ready to use
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> for now, create an upstart job (/etc/init/blah.conf)
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> but be prepared to rewrite to a systemd thingy for the next LTS (16.04)
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> (IN 2016!))
[21:07] <mapps> a .conf file MartijnVdS  not a script? so just google ubuntu upstart?:P
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> mapps: just look for the upstart manual, it's easy :)
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> mapps: also, check the existing .conf  files
[21:07] <mapps> yes
[21:07] <mapps> thanks :)
[21:08] <mapps> yea ive got that on atm shauno  was just looking at geoiplookup
[21:10] <dogmatic69> yey, got one back online. The one that was almost working... damn riser was loose
[21:12] <mapps> modselektor is so good
[21:18] <diddledan> dogmatic69, dang
[21:19] <diddledan> dogmatic69, I had a similar issue with a desktop mobo I bought a few years ago - had a damned push-button cmos reset switch that was supposed to poke out the IO shield at the back of the case. the IO shield or my case were the wrong shape so the button was permanently depressed causing zero powerup
[21:21] <dogmatic69> diddledan: sounds like much head in desk after figuring that one out
[21:21] <diddledan> yes, yes it was :-D
[21:33] <dogmatic69> anyone know ddwrt? trying to install some packages but have this http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1476104042
[21:46] <ali1234> lol white russian
[21:47] <ali1234> that's openwrt from like 2006
[21:48] <dogmatic69> cant use openwrt :/
[21:48] <dogmatic69> my router is too new apparently
[21:49] <dogmatic69> Netgear WNDR3700 V4
[21:53] <mapps> aid like to use openwrt/ddwrt but ive got a rubbish thomson 780wl (o2 wirelessbox)
[21:53] <mapps> not keen on having a seperate modem/router setup...and couldnt see any dd/openwrt compatible modem/router combos?
[21:58] <ali1234> no modems have open source baseband drivers
[21:59] <ali1234> the only routers that fully support openwrt are ones that need an external modem
[21:59] <mapps> yea
[22:00] <mapps> so maybe il have to give in an get a router and modem seperate
[22:00] <shauno> might be the first time I've seen someone actually prefer a combo
[22:01] <mapps> just for ease basically lol
[22:01] <mapps> and if i buy a new modem then what about when i get ftc
[22:01] <mapps> which they say coming soon..last year and this year
[22:02] <shauno> surely you'd have the same problem with a combo?
[22:02] <mapps> well
[22:02] <shauno> just instead of replacing the modem, you'd be replacing the whole thing
[22:02] <mapps> yea
[22:03] <mapps> true
[22:03] <mapps> tbh i dont know what adsl modem to get..all i know is ive got rubbish adsl :) 6mbit
[22:05] <shauno> I've got a whole mess of a setup; two routers hanging off one modem
[22:06] <mapps> howcome
[22:06] <dogmatic69> I have that netgear connected to VM box for internet
[22:06] <dogmatic69> no big deal really, both behind the couch
[22:06] <shauno> I've got a cisco box for messing with, and then an apple router because the cisco box is *slow*
[22:28] <dogmatic69> Nothing like a slight hint of burning...
[22:28] <dogmatic69> hope that is just dust...
[22:48] <shauno> well pants.  the dns unblocker I was using have shut down, so now I have to watch netflix-ireland
[23:04] <mapps> you cant watch normal netflix?!
[23:05] <shauno> define normal?
[23:06] <ali1234> what is a dns unblocker??
[23:06] <shauno> some magic that confuses netflix's geoip stuff
[23:06] <mapps> i wondered that
[23:06] <mapps> ah
[23:06] <mapps> cant u just use some diff ns?
[23:06] <mapps> anyway gym time for me :D
[23:07] <mapps> waited till now so its not too busy ;]
[23:13] <lazarus_> im trying to boot an iso using this guide http://www.wikihow.com/Boot-an-Ubuntu-ISO-from-Your-Hard-Drive however my iso isnt located on /dev/sda its on /dev/sdb and grub works with (hd0,1) and so on so what would i put in order for grub to boot from sdb  rather than sda