[02:17] brousch: :P [02:19] My head is spinning. I think I might throw up [02:19] How is this possible? [02:19] You weren't supposed to inhale. [02:20] as gui team lead i need to qa gui and quickstart on safri and osx [02:20] brousch: and lenovo is trying to disappoint me each generation of laptop so I might as well try it out and see how the keyboard/etc is [02:21] Isn't it a web gui? [02:22] quickstart is a python app for Juju [02:22] and yes, it's a web gui, but safari is different enough from chrome to need it's own testing/qa [02:23] https://saucelabs.com/jobs/7ad221c336f544bf98df836f5dee480e [02:26] This will take me a while to wrap my head around [02:27] heh, well just think of it this way. Part of my job now is to make sure developer tooling we create works on OSX, therefore I've got two laptops atm. https://twitter.com/mitechie/status/437664920927092737/photo/1 [02:27] and I'd like to get native ubuntu in a dual boot on the air if I can. [02:30] You'll end up in Windows most of the time to troubleshoot IE [02:30] heh, already an issue but I can run that in a VM easily enough. We've had IE support for a while [02:31] https://saucelabs.com/jobs/64d36d3ed3e742bb930a695e6dd1efd0 [02:31] test suite passes IE10, IE11 is after safari on the radar [02:32] shoot, I've got an MSDN license from work heh [02:44] I've been watching Portlandia. Now I'm afraid of Portland [02:44] lol [02:44] my wife thinks it'll change my mind [03:16] cmaloney: MUG meeting idea: kanban [03:16] and we'll get jsivak to attend :) [03:16] hah [03:16] I've been forwarding him those articles that Kevin Dangoor posted [03:24] yea, I should walk you through it sometime. Though reading the big kanban in software book atm so picking up some theory to go with our practice [04:32] rick_h: which book is that? [12:40] good morning [12:41] rick_h: Which big kanban software bok? [12:50] cmaloney: greg-g http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0057H2M70/ref=oh_d__o02_details_o02__i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 [12:50] and http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H3RFCOW/ref=oh_d__o01_details_o01__i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 is on deck [12:50] http://www.djaa.com/kanban-successful-evolutionary-change-your-technology-business-0 [12:51] Cool. [12:51] Will check it out. [12:54] eBook version <3 [12:54] cool [12:55] yea, I'm a big fan of the kanban board. I think we're using it for visual/planning purposes more than the official 'kanban limit the workflow' [12:55] but the idea sounds interesting so curious to try to get more of the background theory and see if we can use it [12:55] I think it might help more with what we're doing at work since we could see who is working on what. [12:56] right, the visibility is awesome. mix that with a daily standup and you head off issues before they're issues really often [12:56] and you're aware of interaction points ahead of time [12:56] plus we can easily see dependancies "I need xxx to do yyy before I can start card zzz" [12:57] Yep; [12:57] cmaloney: but yea, I was thinking it might be interesting to show off a couple of our kanban boards, how we use it to plan/schedule work, etc [12:57] as a MUG thing as you could use it for more, but might be something new [12:57] We [12:58] If you're up for doing a talk about it we'd love to have it. [13:30] I bought big ball to sit on. They were $15 at meijer [13:37] brousch: Hope you have the space for it [13:37] That's one thing that I realized when I had the big ball chair was there was no room for anything else. [13:37] also you can't really swivel on it [13:39] Taking a long time to pump up [13:40] I hope you got a pump. :) [13:40] heh, need an air compressor [13:40] that's how I inflate mine [13:49] It came with a hand pump [13:49] I should have brought my bike pump [13:51] lol brousch is going to wish he was shoveling snow by the time he can sit on his ball [13:55] rick_h: Would you be up for presenting on Kanban for March's meeting [13:55] ? [13:56] cmaloney: I could [13:56] (we had a cancelation for March. Apparently Mark Ramm thinks not being in the country is more important than MUG. Sheesh!) [13:56] the 11th right? [13:56] Yep [13:56] lol [13:56] ok, I can step in for Ramm then [13:56] Coolness. [13:56] smoser: Would you be up for doing a shell-scripting talk in March as well? [13:57] rick_h: Thank you very much! [13:57] rick_h: Please send me an abstract when you have a chance. [13:57] or if you want I'll word-smith something [13:57] cmaloney: k, probably tonight. meeting day today yay [13:57] rick_h: woo woo! [14:36] cmaloney, is that 4th or 11th? [14:36] 11th smoser [14:36] 11th. i think. and yeah, then i can do a secondary presentation there. [14:46] smoser: Actually since you already presented in Feb we'd like to give you a break if that's OK. [14:55] cmaloney, thats fine too. [15:11] smoser: Thanks! [15:11] Also to everyone with last names not covered by the 26 letters of the alphabet: you're all on notice. [15:13] not covered? [15:13] Yep. ASCII or bust [15:14] * cmaloney is unfucking some latin-1 breakage. [15:15] ls [15:15] bah [15:15] shell scripting? what is that? ;p [15:15] :P [15:43] it's kind of like applescript. [15:44] waf wins! [15:48] did i make anyone violently headdesk? that was the goal [15:53] lol, you're out for blood! [16:15] it's kind of like powershell [16:17] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWAPXWNthDg [16:17] I did not realize this was a cover of a Queen song [16:20] rick_h: is the kindle version of that book good enough? [16:20] one of the reviews mentions maybe not? [16:20] greg-g: so far, I'm just a little bit into it [16:21] the cartoons legible? [16:21] oh hmm, I did notice an image I couldn't make out [16:21] greg-g: The site that I posted has the kindle and PDF versions [16:21] only had one so far and didn't think much of it [16:21] but $20 is $10 more than the kindle version [16:22] Kinda sucks that you have to choose a version rather than get a zip with each format. [16:22] * greg-g doesn't see your link, cmaloney [16:23] http://www.djaa.com/kanban-successful-evolutionary-change-your-technology-business-0 [16:23] SETI for mobile phones lol http://r.bmark.us/u/f81b295a638b1b [16:23] The follow-up book is actually cheaper on that site than on the Kindle. [16:23] rick_h: No. Just no. [16:24] Bad enough that Twitter woke up every so often to poll. That's all I'd need is SETI draining my battery [16:24] hey, they're more powerful than the original computer I ran SETI on [16:24] sadly that is true [16:24] Wonder if there's a SETI client for RPi [16:24] my 75mhz machine, oh man, I miss that guy. [16:25] When we went to 120 I felt like a god [16:27] huh, yeah, rick_h, if you haven't already bought that second one, you'd save $14 buying directly (and it's a kindle epub) [16:27] too late :/ [16:27] I think it washes out [16:27] I always assume buying direct is more expensive [16:27] I got a list of suggestions and knocked off the top of the list in one swoop [16:27] * greg-g nods [16:27] yea, not always true. I have to check it with oreilly as sometimes the 35% LUG deal works out [16:28] 50% LUG deal [16:28] 50? [16:28] DSUG. Don't leave home witout it. [16:28] yep. [16:28] thought it was just 35 [16:28] yea, that's the one I use [16:28] oh hmm, must have gone up [16:28] "This book might have been titled, "The Very Best of Agile Management Blog" but that would do it an injustice." [16:28] heh [16:28] lol [16:28] yea, it's kind of strange reading all these manager books [16:28] :) [16:28] my brain auto shuts off and I have to go back and reread pages [16:28] "wait...I CARE about this now...try again" [16:29] hah [16:29] had a call today where I've got to learn "planning poker" [16:29] wtf is planning poker? Oh it has a website [16:29] and http://www.microaggressions.com/ wtf [16:29] yeah, I'm reading this right now, and I do the same: http://www.amazon.com/Continuous-Delivery-Deployment-Automation-Addison-Wesley-ebook/dp/B003YMNVC0/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top [16:29] ah, had that one and never got that far. [16:30] planning poker? [16:30] the first chapter was worthless [16:30] cmaloney: :) [16:30] da fuq [16:30] http://www.planningpoker.com/ [16:30] wheeee! [16:30] Wow, that sounds silly [16:31] depends. [16:31] you're a cranky old man, but some teams like the estimation before sprints :) [16:31] * greg-g 's team doesn't [16:32] heh [16:33] greg-g: Sounds like a meta-game for estimation. [16:33] define meta game? it's a way of having the team estimate together [16:33] bah, fail [16:33] I've only done it once, at this "SCRUM product manager" training thingy [16:33] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming [16:35] Though I was using it in the sense of using a game to play a different game altogether [16:35] * cmaloney needs to find what that word is and start using it. :) [16:35] mini-game perhaps? [16:35] :) [16:37] “Everyone loves this. Yesterday we all used laptops in the same room (along with one remote user) instead of cards. It's definitely more fun than using physical cards and solves the problem of revealing cards too soon. Great idea.” [16:37] .... lame [16:38] I have 2 packs of planning poker cards, if ya want one :) [16:38] To me that sounds like you're concentrating on the overlaying game rather than the actual reason for planning [16:38] hah [16:38] well, that's the service provider trying to sell a service [16:38] true [16:44] Ah, this isn't nearly as silly as I thought it was [16:44] (planning poker) [16:44] * greg-g nods [16:44] seems like a way to get people to talk about estimates [16:44] if we actually did sprints, we'd probably do it [16:45] which is sad that it takes a game to get people to talk about estimates. [16:45] yeah, you debate/try to convince others why you think its only a 3 when they say it's a 12 (or whatever) [16:46] or vice versa. :) [16:46] yep :) [17:26] Man, Harold Ramis passed away [17:27] had to look it up but now I know that guy [17:28] Yeah [17:29] no way! [17:29] way [17:29] Apparently he had health problems. [17:29] how old was he? like 52? [17:29] i guess this means there will never be a ghostbusters 3 [17:30] 69 [17:30] and there will be another Ghostbusters [17:30] just not with Egon [17:30] oh sure, probably a reboot. jj abrams will probably write and direct, and it will definitely suck. [17:30] The containment field will explode [17:31] and take out all of New York with it [17:34] http://i.imgur.com/5RZ1FIu.jpg [17:34] meet rachel [17:34] shes 2 months old [17:34] Hi Rachel [17:35] she sleeps 17 hours a day [17:55] um, that is a big cat [17:57] shes still a baby [17:57] will get up to 300 pounds [18:03] greg-g: http://www.thoughtworks.com/insights/blog/case-continuous-delivery [18:34] I need to get over my knee jerk reaction to thoughtworks [18:50] Congratulations! [18:50] Your Organization Application for Bookie to Google Summer of Code 2014 [18:50] has been accepted. [18:50] YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY [18:50] whats that? [18:50] Google Summer of Code [18:50] it's Google paying students to hack on open source for the summer [18:51] great. [18:51] and Bookie is my open source project that's been accepted [18:51] so grown man doing the happy dance over here [18:51] tell me about the project [18:51] ever use delicious or pinboard? [18:51] https://bmark.us/ and https://bmark.us/recent [18:51] cant say i have. [18:51] bookmark many websites? [18:51] I dont know what those are. [18:51] I do. [18:52] I have over 500 bookmarks [18:52] cmaloney: you're on the hook now as backup mentor [18:52] rick_h_: awesome! congrats [18:52] :P [18:52] whats delicious and pinboard? [18:52] they're online bookmark management applications [18:52] a couple of the big commercial ones [18:52] whats that? [18:52] I run a smaller open source tool that has some features I like [18:53] interesting. [18:53] http://pinboard.in/ and https://delicious.com/ [18:53] will check it. [18:53] whats the difference between those? [18:55] rick_h_: ruh roh. :) [18:55] rick_h_: Congratulations! :) [18:56] im registering with delicious [18:56] rick_h_: Nice! [18:56] Azeban: No, fool, register with bmark.us [18:58] brousch: Now now [18:58] no need for name calling [19:01] <_stink__> rick_h_: wow, congrats! [19:01] rick_h_: niiiice [19:04] rick_h_: woot [19:10] cmaloney: Did you just CoC slap me? [19:11] Azeban: each bookmark service does things a little different [19:12] Azeban: pinboard is very much about light weight, speed, and the core web service. Things like extensions and apps are up to the community [19:12] Azeban: delicious is more about the pretty, discovery, etc [19:13] Azeban: bookie is about being open source, fulltext indexing, and hopefully you can feel like you own/control your data. [19:15] I'll try it. [19:15] hah, bookie irc channel hasn't seem this many new faces since it started [19:15] I forgot about that channel [19:16] <_stink__> rick_h_: how you have groupies to sort out, hah [19:16] rick_h_: How many are asking "Why didn't you use Django?!" [19:16] _stink__: bwuhahaha [19:16] brousch: :P [19:20] brousch: I believe I did. :) [19:27] rick_h_: Chromebook Pixel EOL is April 2017, not 2015 [19:27] brousch: ah, thought I saw/read 2015 somewhere [19:27] First date on the list is 2015, but it's not the pixel http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/eol.html [19:28] gotcha [19:29] django is evil. [19:30] jrwren: To what do we owe this epiphahy? [19:30] the error I am currently getting from django admin interface :( [19:31] jrwren: You should have gone with Pyramid. Then you wouldn't have to worry an admin interface [19:40] this has been django for years. [19:40] before pyramid existed :p [19:44] Fine then, Pylons [19:44] me. [19:44] meh [19:44] i shouldn't complain. this is just some insane edge case bug. [19:44] only showing on 1 db record. [19:44] other records work fine. [19:45] http://i.imgur.com/xnplZdJ.jpg [19:45] team destruction in action [19:48] Azeban: Are you housing lion cubs? [19:48] i don't know if you noticed this, but there appears to be lions in your house. you may want to leave. [19:49] they are into ruining the furniture [19:49] cmaloney, not just cubs. [19:50] Azeban: I'm having enough to deal with a rather spoiled domesticated cat. I can't imagine handling anything larger [19:50] they are super spoiled. [19:51] You will be eaten in the middle of the night [19:51] nah [19:51] They're like cats, just wilder [19:51] :) [19:52] We had some of the adults since they were cubs so we have a special relationship with them [19:52] Azeban: Right. I have cut marks on my arms from where Pixel decided that she'd had enough of my shit. [19:52] thats probably your fault :D [19:52] http://i.imgur.com/omNYHB9.jpg [19:53] Yesterday she about took off my sock because she didn't like me putting my foot near her stomach [19:53] I'd rather she take the sock rather than the foot. [19:53] That is adorable though [20:04] rick_h_: Sell your Lenovo yet? [20:04] brousch: no :P [20:05] http://i.imgur.com/yT90iPn.jpg [20:05] this is her favorite spot [20:06] Azeban: Where do you live that you have all of these large predators in your home? [20:07] its not in michigan so you shouldnt worry. [20:07] its not even in america. [20:08] Azeban: heh, I was thinking you might be in Detroit. :) [20:08] Apparently there are some folks that have had large cats down there. [20:08] yeah? [20:09] sure, I met some zoo owners [20:09] They're unofficial zoo owners. :) [20:09] usually folks who don't want folks nosing around in their business. [20:10] hahah [20:10] I mean I met with americans who have private zoos in their houses [20:10] Azeban: Whereabouts on the globe are you? [20:11] dubai [20:11] Ah, very cool [20:12] have you been here before? [20:12] No, haven't been outside of North America. [20:13] I've been to Canada but that's like America Jr. [20:13] I've been to canada last month [20:14] OMG man student flood [20:14] thanks trevlar cmaloney and greg-g [20:14] I've been to Detroit. That counts as visiting a 3rd world country. [20:14] I leave 5min and "flood" [20:14] rick_h_: np [20:14] brousch, dubai is nothing like detroit [20:14] and its not a 3rd world country [20:15] Yeah, from what I've seen Dubai is more like visiting Disneyland [20:15] I didn't say it was! [20:15] brousch: Pfft. [20:15] dinseyland is tiny [20:15] in comparison :) [20:16] Right. It's just a city, not a country. [20:16] we are now building the largest entertainment complex in the world [20:17] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubailand [20:23] but its already amazing place. [20:30] rick_h_: Wow. :) [20:30] Jaw. Hitting floor. :) [20:30] cmaloney: no kidding [20:31] cmaloney: ummm, I just thought I'd mentor a student on some Bookie hacking for a month or two :) [20:31] Yeah, I didn't realize this was going to be a fair. [20:31] no kidding [20:31] and you know student selection isn't for a month [20:32] I'm still looking for the manual. :) [20:32] https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 [20:32] is the schedule [20:32] student applications opens March 10 and clsoes March 21 [20:33] so this is all the "get to know some orgs" stage [20:34] Yeah, and this just hit at 2pm. :) [20:36] right! [20:36] I've got to go grocery shopping and such later [20:37] so hope you guys can help some :) [20:37] I just added the calendar to my Google Calendar [20:37] ooh, I should do that [20:43] hey rick_h_ wanna feel old? [20:43] (already do) [20:43] jrwren: no, just had a birthday this weekend so kind of there [20:43] that gsoc candidates name ends in 93 because that was the year he was born. [20:43] jrwren: :/ [20:43] hah [20:44] kids born AFTER Kirk Cobain died!!! [20:44] who? [20:44] :/ [20:44] kurt [20:44] kirk is star trek, man [20:44] I know, but imagine them asking you "who" if you said that [20:44] that's nothing, we have intern applicants that were born 1996 [20:44] man, I was looking at wine that was from 1996 [20:44] that's nuts that programming students are as old as the wine I want to get [20:44] haha, you can tell I don't know or care much about this Cobain fella if I don't know his first name :) [20:45] yeah, my community has a ton of youngins, like, 15 year olds. we had a freshman in college work for us last summer, who is awesome [20:45] jrwren: take that back [20:45] :) [20:49] cmaloney: what did I get into?! whoa [20:49] I'm afriad to leave my computer [20:50] and should I start saying "hey, only going to try to get one or two students" now? [20:50] Did you set some pre-requisites? 1. Use Bookie 2. Get your own instance running [20:51] heh [20:51] well that's the pastebin getting started I threw together [20:51] but we've already got people filing bugs, asking about how things work [20:51] I mean 5 or 6 folks have it running already [20:52] When Kivy's was announced, a few kids jumped right in like that [20:52] Some of them went away. I assume they weren't interested in Kivy or the specific projects for Kivy [20:52] we normally have 10 folks in irc, have 21 now and people have come and gone. Mailing list hasn't had an email since Nov and has 2 in there [20:52] Yeah, I'll be surprised if we keep all of these folks [20:53] this is the "butt sniffing" period [20:53] oh definitely [20:53] I think we're getting a bunch since we're on the front page. :) [20:53] but it's also < 3hrs in [20:53] we are? /me goes to load the page [20:53] alphabetical, boyeeees. :) [20:53] oh yea? hah [20:53] Good thing you didn't call this thing Zephyr or Zimbabwe. [20:54] lol [20:54] maybe I should have [20:54] ZZZZZbookie [20:54] The sleepy little bookmarking application [20:54] hah [20:54] yea, top of the list nice [20:57] Ah, yeah, and you're your own org, whereas Kivy is under the PSF [20:58] Bookie rules! :) [20:58] yea, I didn't realize how the python thing worked until after I got submitted [21:03] #bookie is insane [21:03] props to rick_h_ for fielding all these questions [21:04] I think he had practice from PyOhio. :) [21:05] heh, if there's one thing I know and have spent many hours trying to fix it's bookie install [21:05] GSOC announce day: the day rick took off from work. [21:05] naw, they did it late enough in the day :) [21:05] I was supposed to take a half day since I was working until 9pm friday [21:06] just not getting my nap in after all lol [21:06] rick_h_: That never works out doesn't it? :) [21:06] I want a nap! [21:06] hey, this is working out [21:06] a couple of students have already impressed [21:06] I mean the half-day thing. :) [21:06] that green_ guy? man [21:06] he got it running had a bug, legit questions [21:06]