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Private_Usergood morning03:14
Private_UserQA: seen maaz?03:17
QAPrivate_User: maaz was last seen 2 months, 22 days, 10 hours, 10 minutes and 9 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-12-03 17:07:24 UTC], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-12-03 16:44:55 UTC03:17
Private_UserQA: who is online?03:18
QAPrivate_User: I'm afraid I have no idea03:18
Private_Usersorry people was just a little bored :D03:20
Private_Userhehe03:20
Private_UserQA Thank You03:20
QAsure thing, Private_User03:20
KilosQA coffee on05:14
* QA puts the kettle on05:14
Kilosmorning nlsthzn and all others that are awake05:15
QACoffee's ready for Kilos!05:18
KilosQA thanks love05:18
QAsure thing, Kilos05:18
nuvolari_hallo oom Kilos 05:23
nuvolari_o/ morning Private_User 05:23
nuvolari_er, I got a tail05:23
Kilosmore nuvolari_ 05:23
Kiloser ja05:24
nuvolari_stertjie van agter en 'n stertjie van voor05:24
=== nuvolari_ is now known as nuvolari
bduk1Good morning everyone05:25
Kiloshi bduk1 05:25
nuvolarihello bduk1 05:25
nuvolarioh dear05:27
nuvolarioops?05:27
Kiloswhat?05:27
nuvolarihet oom Kilos 'n lekker naweek gehad?05:27
nuvolari07:26:58             <-- | bduk1 (~Thunderbi@196-210-137-164.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)05:27
Kilosoh ya freenode is still sick05:28
Kiloswas a bad weekend for them05:28
Kilosmaazstill ofline and meeting tomorrow night05:28
nuvolari:O05:37
nuvolariI must remember05:37
nuvolarithanks for the reminder oom Kilos 05:37
Kilosnp05:37
Kilosyou need to tell the monkey, i dunno where he is05:37
Kiloshasnt been online for a long time05:38
Private_Usermorning nuvolari and Kilos06:05
Kiloshi Private_User 06:05
Private_Useryeah me also last time I forgot about the meeting06:07
Private_Userwhat time is it?06:07
Kilos20.3006:07
Private_Usercool thanks06:07
Kilosnp06:07
ThatGraemeGuymorning06:12
Kilosmorning ThatGraemeGuy 06:12
Kiloshi hekkwan 06:37
Kiloshi Guest23692 where is tinuva06:38
Kilosmorning superfly 06:39
superflymorning Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy, Private_User, nuvolari06:42
superflyand bduk06:43
ThatGraemeGuymorning :-)06:44
Private_Usermorning superfly 06:54
nuvolarihello's superfly 07:05
nuvolario/ hi Vince-0 07:15
Vince-0Hi!07:15
Vince-0surp?07:15
Kiloshi Vince-0 07:15
Vince-0Hi!07:16
Vince-0Lekka Maanharedag07:16
Kiloslol07:16
Vince-0I believe there's a meeting tonight07:18
=== Guest23692 is now known as Tinuva
Kilostomorrow night Vince-0 07:18
Kiloswb Tinuva 07:18
Vince-0ow07:21
Vince-0k07:21
Kilosinetpro more, gaan jy die hoe vonk probeer kry by die vergadering more aand?07:38
Kiloshoee07:38
Kilosai!07:38
Kiloshigh07:38
Kilos-ai!08:08
=== Kilos- is now known as Kilos
=== nlsthzn_ is now known as netsplit
Kiloshehe08:14
Kilosthose okes caused bad probs the weekend seems like08:14
netsplityup08:15
Kiloshope its fixed before tomorrow nights meeting08:16
Kilosand maaz too08:16
Kiloshi tumbleweed do you know how to restart maaz?08:16
Kilosand dont forget our meet tomorrow night hey08:17
tumbleweedKilos: sorry, I don't have access to the machine it runs on08:22
Kilosah ok ty tumbleweed 08:29
Kiloswe need to contact the crashkid somehow then08:30
inetprogood mornings08:33
Kiloslo inetpro 08:33
inetproKilos: hoeë vonk?08:34
inetprohighvoltage? 08:34
Kilosyeah08:34
inetprokan seker probeer, wat het jy op die agenda?08:34
Kilosdaai registered nicks only08:35
Kiloshy moet dit doen ne08:35
inetprowel hy hoef seker nie op die vergadering te wees nie 08:36
inetprokan net na die tyd sê hy moet dit doen, as hy die enigste ene is wat dit kan doen08:36
Kilosja man betrek hom weer by ons08:36
* Kilos dont like losing the old big names we had08:39
inetproKilos: I sent him a message, up to him to see whether he can make it or not08:42
Kilosty08:42
Kilosand the crash kid too 08:42
Kilosthe bot not here08:42
inetprotold him08:43
Kilosty08:43
inetproyw08:44
inetpronuvolari: please ensure that you have a plan B in case we fail to revive Maaz08:45
inetpro*in time08:46
KilosQA is here inetpro but i dont know what she needs doing08:46
Kilosyou can take her over08:46
inetproKilos: ideally Maaz should be alive for the logs in the usual place08:46
Kilosyes i know08:47
inetprobut we can talk tonight if necessary08:47
Kilosmethinks we must ask the crash kid to give you full rights there08:47
inetprohmm...08:57
inetproit's is personal server man08:57
Kilosya but he trusts you and we only want maaz going08:58
inetproai!08:58
Kilosyou not gonna fiddle more there08:58
* inetpro can't be trusted just like anyone else :-)08:58
Kilosai!08:58
inetprobut I can try to be like an angel, will speak to him when I have a chance08:59
Kilosgood man09:00
Kilosdont try just do it09:00
Kilosi will watch you09:01
Kiloshehe09:01
Kiloslike i dont fiddle on that linode server, just look after QA 09:03
=== netsplit is now known as not_found
Kilosai!09:55
Kiloshi magespawn 10:03
magespawnhey Kilos 10:03
magespawnwhat is up today?10:14
not_foundthe sun... mostly10:19
not_foundhow are you magespawn?10:19
magespawnhey not_found, good and you?10:20
Kiloshaha we hoping freenode and maaz are fixed for tomorrow nights meeting magespawn 10:20
not_foundalways good thanks10:20
magespawnit is a good thing for the sun to be up10:20
magespawndoes anyone know what has been happening lately?10:21
Kilosddos10:21
magespawni have been running into all sorts of problems all over the net10:21
Kilossince saterday avy i think10:21
magespawnseems to have caused a bit of a knock on effect10:23
Kiloswas bad i had no connection to freenode for most of sunday and all saterday night10:29
Kilosand still today there are the odd netsplits10:29
Private_Usermachine acting up, gonna have to reboot.10:38
Private_UserBe Back Later10:38
Kilosai!10:39
Kilos-ai!11:01
Kilos-internet very sicker11:21
Kilos-hi theblazehen 11:21
theblazehenhey Kilos- 11:21
theblazehenKilos-, freenode problems?11:22
Kilos-ai!11:22
Kilos-i dunno11:22
Kilos-Vince-0 has left this server (Excess Flood).11:23
Kilos-like that kinda probs11:23
theblazehenyeah11:23
Kilos-and 2 of them at same time11:23
theblazehenDDOS by NTP reflection11:23
theblazehen400gb/s11:23
Kilos-they gotta fix it before tomorrow night or we gonna have a messed up meeting11:24
theblazehenyeah, well they can't do much11:24
theblazehenpeople must stop attacking them11:25
Kilos-they must trace them and have them locked up11:25
theblazehenCan't do anything against UDP flood11:25
Kilos-or shot11:25
theblazehennot that simple. It will show as coming from a time server11:26
Kilos-oi11:26
theblazehenAttacker sends MONLIST command to NTP server, with a spoofed source IP pointing to freenode11:26
theblazehenthen NTP server gives large reply message 11:26
Kilos-so then its in the servers that tracebacks gotta be done11:28
Kilos-there must be some record somewhere of the person/s starting it11:28
theblazehennope11:28
theblazehenUDP isn't TCP like that11:29
theblazehenSo unless we get the help of the NSA, no chance11:29
theblazehenand it's probably a botnet sending NTP requests to the NTP servers11:29
Kilos-why dont they attack the nsa instead of freenode11:29
Kilos-surely the server has records of where them commands are coming from11:30
theblazehenScript kiddies, man...11:30
theblazehenNTP server does have records. But records say it comes from freenode11:30
theblazehenIt works like this:11:30
theblazehenNormally you contact NTP server and ask for the time, and but your IP address in the source so that you can get the time11:31
theblazehenAnd server log will say you asked for the time11:31
theblazehenBut attacker pretends to be freenode, and asks for the time. Server then tells freenode the time because it thinks freenode asked for the time11:32
Kilos-eeek11:32
theblazehenso you spend little data asking for time, and time data is large11:33
Kilos-then freenode gotta only allow registered ip's11:33
Kilos-so they can see who did what11:33
theblazehenBut it's not the IRC server that is attacked11:34
theblazehenAnd you cant stop it11:34
Kilos-eish11:34
theblazehenlike me shoving some trash in your hands11:35
theblazehenYou cant just not have it, you will need to throw it away. 11:35
Kilos-no man not same i would hit you11:35
Kilos-hehe11:35
theblazehenAnd with people shoving trash in your hands, people can't give you eg. food because your hands are full11:35
theblazehenlol11:35
theblazehenand there is too many people giving too much trash to throw it away fast enough to get all the food11:36
Kilos-i see the principle11:36
Kilos-but still think there must be a way to trace the bad peeps11:36
Kilos-or block them out because of not being registered11:37
theblazehenNot unless you have access to logs of everything on every router on the internet, you cant11:37
theblazehennot even NSA can do it all11:37
Kilos-whew11:37
theblazehenyeah :(11:38
Kilos-too much for my head to fathom11:38
theblazehenKilos-, http://blog.cloudflare.com/understanding-and-mitigating-ntp-based-ddos-attacks might explain better11:40
theblazehenwb Vince-0 11:43
theblazehengoddamn DDOS..11:43
Vince-0sjoe, that's my DSL being maxed by these noobs in the office11:46
theblazehenVince-0, you can't low them dows?11:46
theblazehendown*11:46
Vince-0sure, just not my network11:50
Vince-0I just work here 11:50
inetproKilos-: for the record, NTP has very little to do with freenode and being registered12:00
inetproNTP = Network Time Protocol12:00
inetprounfortunately everyone including freenode depends on time being accurate12:01
charl_good afternoon12:01
inetprohi charl_12:01
charl_maaz still dead ?12:01
charl_hi inetpro 12:01
inetprono coffee for charl_ today12:02
charl_:(12:02
inetproat least freenode seems somewhat more stable today12:03
Kilos-i dont understand all that stuff12:05
charl_inetpro: how's it going? you've been silent12:05
Kilos-why is a time thing messing up freenode12:05
charl_this was quite funny https://gist.github.com/bortzmeyer/878210812:06
charl_trying to get users to ddos themselves by pointing them back at localhost12:06
Kilos-QA coffee on12:06
* QA washes some mugs12:06
charl_Kilos-: coffee please12:06
inetprocharl_: all good thanks, weekend was just busy12:06
charl_bah12:06
charl_QA: coffee please12:06
QAcharl_: Yessir12:06
charl_Kilos-: i mean, hi :)12:06
Kilos-lol12:06
inetproKilos-: the NTP thing affects not only freenode12:07
inetproit has a massive impact on a big part of the interwebs12:07
charl_inetpro: do you know of any technical details posted? was it in fact a ntp amplification attack?12:08
inetprobut freenode could also be a specific target12:08
inetprocharl_: am not sure, just noticed ThatGraemeGuy and Kilos- talking about it 12:09
inetprooops, not ThatGraemeGuy but theblazehen12:09
charl_ah, missed part of the convo12:09
QACoffee's ready for Kilos- and charl_!12:10
Kilos-QA danke12:10
QABitteschön12:10
theblazeheninetpro, what it sounded like on /r/sysadmin12:10
Kilos-hi Xethron 12:11
inetprotheblazehen:  /r/sysadmin?12:11
=== Kilos- is now known as Kilos
inetprotheblazehen: reddit?12:12
theblazeheninetpro, yeah12:12
inetprook12:12
theblazehenJust got my GPU :D12:12
XethronMorning Kilos12:12
inetprosad that sysadmins haven't sorted their servers12:14
inetprotheir NTP servers*12:16
theblazeheninetpro, yeah..12:17
theblazehensuch *.net13:54
theblazehenmuch *.split13:54
magespawnlater all14:18
=== Arcanum_za is now known as Trixar_za
Kiloshmm...16:27
Kiloslooks like them swines did some serious damage the weekend17:50
charl_good evening18:31
charl_meeting tomorrow evening?18:31
charl_good, thought i almost missed it18:31
Kiloshaha what do you want to change18:33
charl_who, me?18:33
Kilosya18:34
Kilosi forgot to find out how to change the social channel name18:34
Kilosbut i think that will need to be done by the channel owner to make it official off topic18:35
charl_are you guys going to get maaz up before tomorrow evening18:35
charl_otherwise there is noone to do the minutes etc18:35
Kiloswe hope so18:35
charl_isn't cocooncrash the one running it?18:36
Kilosya an all ibids can do it18:36
charl_he's working at feestbook now right?18:36
Kilosya maaz is on his server but there aint been a reply from him yet18:36
Kilos?18:36
Kilosin the usa is all i know18:36
Kilosinetpro feedback?18:41
inetproKilos: none yet19:03
Kilosai!19:03
inetproKilos: but I think he's only like waking up now19:04
charl_if he's on the west coast he'll be like 12 hours off indeed19:04
Kilosits about lunch time there already19:04
charl_or was that 10 hours19:04
Kilosoh not 919:04
charl_wait hold on19:05
Kiloswhat city?19:05
Kilosask the bot19:05
inetpro11:05 AM19:05
charl_11:05 Maandag (PST) - Tijd in San Francisco, Californië, Verenigde Staten19:05
charl_yes indeed19:05
inetprothat is too early for anyone on a Monday morning :-)19:05
KilosQA time in san francico19:05
QAKilos: That didn't seem to agree with me19:05
Kilosai!19:06
KilosQA stupid cow19:06
QAOh well, we can't all be perfect all the time.19:06
charl_QA: googld time in san francisco19:06
QAcharl_: Huh?19:06
charl_QA: google time in san francisco19:06
QAcharl_: "Current time in San Francisco - World Time Clock & Map" http://24timezones.com/world_directory/current_san_francisco_time.php :: "Current local time in U.S.A. – California – San Francisco" http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=224 :: "San Francisco Commuters Missed a Murder By Staring ... - US - Time" http://nation.time.com/2013/10/09/san-francisco-commuters-missed-a-murder-by-staring-at-their-phones/ :: "San Francisco, C…19:06
charl_oh it doesn't have those "hints" that google has at the top, only the actual results19:06
inetprook, I got hold of him and he'll have a look when his hands are free19:09
Kiloscool19:09
Kilosnight all. sleep tight19:19
cocooncrashMaaz_: ping20:11
Maaz_cocooncrash: pong20:11
=== Maaz_ is now known as Maaz
inetprothanks cocooncrash20:23
inetproMaaz: wb20:24
MaazThank you so much inetpro my good good friend20:24
superflycocooncrash: hey dad, congrats!20:35
cocooncrashsuperfly: Thanks :)20:35
inetprooh wow cocooncrash, you have a newborn?20:43
inetproCongrats, I'm sure he will bring you many hours of blessings and joy!20:45
* inetpro switches off the lights20:49
inetprogood night20:49
cocooncrashinetpro: Yup, ~3 weeks ago21:02
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