[00:20] <ganglere> ali1234, just got the thunar crash. any extra information I can provide you?
[00:21] <ali1234> what were you doing with thunar since you started it, up until the crash?
[00:21] <ganglere> browsing a samba share
[00:21] <ali1234> particularly any "unusual" things such as very deep folder structures, very long file names, very large number of files in directory... etc?
[00:22] <ali1234> what was the very last thing before it crashed?
[00:22] <ganglere> I hit the x, just as all the other reports
[00:22] <ganglere> but nothing unusual, just browsed to my media on a nas and watched a show, something I do regularly
[00:23] <ali1234> hmm... so long file names?
[00:23] <ali1234> any special characters or anything like that?
[00:24] <ganglere> No special characters, except for a single space
[00:24] <ganglere> the path is only 35 characters long
[00:27] <ali1234> do you use tree view?
[00:28] <ganglere> shortcuts in the sidebar, detailed list in the main viewer
[00:30] <ali1234> did yo delete any files recently?
[00:30] <ali1234> or move them?
[00:30] <ali1234> (with thunar of course)
[00:30] <ganglere> no, just got it to crash again though. no output in the command. anyway to get a verbose debug?
[00:30] <ali1234> if you can reproduce, run it in valgrind please
[00:31] <ali1234> sudo apt-get install valgrind thunar-dbg libglib2.0-0-0-dbg libgtk-2-0-dbg libgtk-3-0-dbg
[00:32] <ali1234> should have been libgtk2.0-0-dbg
[00:32] <ali1234> then killall thunar
[00:32] <ali1234> then: G_SLICE=always-malloc G_DEBUG=gc-friendly  valgrind -v --tool=memcheck --num-callers=40 --track-origins=yes --log-file=valgrind.log thunar
[00:33] <ali1234> it will be really slow though
[00:33] <ganglere> I was just about to say it hadn't loaded yet...
[00:34] <ali1234> valgrind will log every malloc done by the program, and then every memory access will be checked to make sure it is valid
[00:34] <ganglere> not sure if I actually reproduced, but I got this output:
[00:34] <ganglere> (thunar:6634): GLib-CRITICAL **: Source ID 684 was not found when attempting to remove it
[00:34] <ali1234> i have seen that too, but it doesn't crash
[00:35] <ali1234> may be related though
[00:35] <ganglere> didn't seem like it
[00:35] <ali1234> ==22490==  Uninitialised value was created by a stack allocation
[00:35] <ali1234> ==22490==    at 0xADFB640: ??? (in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpixman-1.so.0.30.2)
[00:35] <ali1234> i am seeing a lot of this
[00:50] <Noskcaj> ali1234, valgrind has a lot of errors on all xfce packages, have you got a folder full of files you can copy from a usb? that's what caused my most recent crash
[00:51] <ali1234> during copying?
[00:51] <ali1234> valgrind always produces errors but most of them are harmless or even intentional
[00:51] <Noskcaj> after copying i clicked the X, then error
[00:51] <Noskcaj> and ok
[01:56] <ali1234> hmm got some clues from the USB copy
[01:58] <Noskcaj> :)
[02:03] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6984954/
[02:04] <ali1234> not sure if those are really errors
[02:07] <ali1234> hmm interesting
[02:08] <ali1234> that first one... filename is an argument - it does wchar_t *wfilename = g_utf8_to_utf16 (filename, -1, NULL, NULL, NULL); and then returns if this is null
[02:08] <ali1234> but somehow filename was null later in the function
[02:08] <ali1234> it never actually nullchecks filename though
[02:09] <ali1234> and also it only happened one time
[02:12] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Since light-locker-settings has native packaging, why does it have a debian/patches/ folder?
[02:17] <ali1234> oh wait, it's all a big ifdef
[02:17] <ali1234> it never nullchecks filename on !win32
[03:00] <ali1234> hmm... thumbnailer uses g_list quite a bit
[03:02] <ali1234> something asked it to thumbnail a file with path = NULL, so that's definitely not right
[03:04] <ali1234> hmm there we go, fully reproducable
[03:05] <ali1234> stack
[03:39] <ali1234> hmm... nope, almost certainly a red herring
[03:45] <Noskcaj> Another item for U-series, maybe swap from xchat to hexchat (a branch of xchat that is actually maintained)
[03:48] <Unit193> Right.
[05:00] <Unit193> ochosi: Of course I've PPA'd latest xfwm4 git head. :P
[06:04] <Noskcaj> What other 4.11 parts do we want? (other than garcon, libui, and settings)
[09:34] <zequence> Are you having problems with mis-sized icons in the main menu?
[12:23] <ochosi> zequence: there was a bug with that in xubuntu a longer while ago
[12:24] <slickymaster-job> hey ochosi, morning
[12:24] <slickymaster-job> did you saw jjfrv8' comments on the xfdesktop preferences?
[12:25] <ochosi> have lost track of that a bit though
[12:25] <slickymaster-job> I believe he pinged you last saturday on that
[12:26] <slickymaster-job> I'm asking because I wanted to know if you're ok with what has done, so I can correct the link in xub -docs
[12:26] <ochosi> yes, but i was ill (and now my internet connection is soooo lame again...)
[12:26] <ochosi> slickymaster-job: you can correct that link anyways
[12:26] <slickymaster-job> hope you're feeling better now
[12:26] <ochosi> yeah, a bit
[12:26] <slickymaster-job> ok, I'll make MP tonight
[12:27] <ochosi> link to here: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/4.11/start
[12:27] <slickymaster-job> this weekend has been oddly in sickbay
[12:27] <slickymaster-job> you and Unit193 
[12:27] <ochosi> xfdesktop will hopefully receive the patch to point to this page in xubuntu too
[12:27] <slickymaster-job> I'll do it then
[12:28] <ochosi> yeah, well it has been kinda springish here, so that's the perfect time for a small influenza epidemic
[12:28] <slickymaster-job> ttyl
[12:28] <ochosi> yup, seeya
[12:50] <bluesabre> even freenode has been unwell
[12:50] <ochosi> indeed
[12:50] <ochosi> and hey bluesabre 
[12:50] <ochosi> wasn't able to catch you much this weekend due to both illnesses
[12:50] <bluesabre> ochosi: I like the new panel layout, but I'd be in favor of adding the action buttons back
[12:51] <bluesabre> that's cool
[12:51] <knome> bluesabre, come on :P
[12:51] <bluesabre> I wasn't around much myself
[12:51] <knome> bluesabre, as if you didn't have time to whine about that earlier
[12:51] <bluesabre> lol
[12:51] <bluesabre> I even approved it
[12:51] <ochosi> bluesabre: you mean *after* voting on it and all, you'd now be "in favor of" ? :D
[12:51] <knome> yeah, so too late now.. ;)
[12:51] <bluesabre> :D
[12:51] <ochosi> i'd prefer not to open this pandora's box
[12:51] <ochosi> everyone will have suggestions and stuff
[12:51] <bluesabre> but I do like the new amounts of free space
[12:52] <ochosi> yeah, the idea is to mention that you can easily customize the panel in the slideshow
[12:52] <knome> i do have to agree with sean though ;)
[12:52] <ochosi> (we're working on that now)
[12:52] <bluesabre> its really a much cleaner layout
[12:52] <ochosi> knome: yeah, whatever ;)
[12:52] <knome> i didn't notice this shortcoming before i ran trusty on vbox ;)
[12:52] <knome> fortunately it's an easy thing to change!
[12:52]  * knome hides
[12:52] <bluesabre> :D
[12:53] <ochosi> we can revisit that for T+1
[12:53] <bluesabre> ochosi: I saw the weirdness with a second monitor sitting in the same spot as the primary monitor with the greeter
[12:53] <bluesabre> so I can look into fixing that now
[12:53] <ochosi> bluesabre: that'd be nice, but i don't think it has to be a primary concern. or is this a setup you can generate using xfce4-display-settings?
[12:54] <bluesabre> none of that matters, its a default x config that doesn't depend on any user's settings
[12:54] <ochosi> yeah, but how is that handled nowadays that xorg.conf is dead?
[12:54]  * ochosi is a bit clueless as to that
[12:54] <bluesabre> shut down your computer, attach a tv, turn it on, bam!
[12:54] <bluesabre> :)
[12:55] <bluesabre> basically everything is set at x position 0
[12:55]  * ochosi doesn't have what they called "tv" in the old days
[12:55] <ochosi> beh, that blows
[12:55] <bluesabre> using the native monitor resolution
[12:55] <ochosi> so we need to handle displays ourselves in the greeter
[12:55] <bluesabre> I think I know a hack-tastic way around it
[12:55] <ochosi> we could steal some of the xfsettingsd code
[12:55] <ochosi> ok
[12:56] <bluesabre> since its minor, I'm for doing something that just works
[12:56] <ochosi> ok
[12:56] <ochosi> sounds good to me
[12:56] <ochosi> we can do better multi-head handling in 2.0
[12:56] <bluesabre> yeah
[12:56] <bluesabre> that will be fun
[12:56] <bluesabre> ... not
[12:56] <ochosi> hehe
[12:56] <ochosi> indeed
[12:56] <bluesabre> anyway, gotta head off to work
[12:56] <ochosi> okay, seeya later then
[12:56] <bluesabre> hopefully I'll get something accomplished tonight
[12:56] <ochosi> btw, prolly won't be around tonight :/
[12:57] <bluesabre> np
[12:57] <ochosi> but i can test tomorrow
[13:07] <ochosi> jjfrv8: thanks for the prefs! looks great and will be merged to docs.xfce as soon as i can
[13:07] <ochosi> slickymaster-job: ^
[13:08] <slickymaster-job> thanks ochosi 
[13:10] <slickymaster-job> lunch time. bbl ->
[13:12] <ochosi> slickymaster-job: bon appetit
[13:19] <ochosi> jjfrv8, slickymaster-job: xfdesktop4.11 docs are all complete and here now: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/4.11/start
[13:19] <ochosi> jjfrv8, slickymaster-job: congrats and thanks a lot for your hard work on this! it's very much appreciated
[13:42] <zequence> ochosi: Oh? Could you point me to the fix?
[13:44] <ochosi> sorry, as i said i've lost track of this issue a (longer) while ago
[13:44] <zequence> ochosi: Was it during this development cycle?
[13:44] <ochosi> but i remember us being affected by it
[13:44] <ochosi> i thought it was fixed in xfce upstream
[13:44] <ochosi> (but i might be even wrong about that)
[13:44] <ochosi> fwiw, xubuntu uses whiskermenu by default now
[13:44] <zequence> We're having this problem right now. Some icons are the wrong size
[13:45] <ochosi> and i try to provide png icons of the correct size for every app we ship, so at least by default it should be ok
[13:45] <ochosi> iirc the bug affected xpm icons
[13:46] <zequence> Ok. I'll look around a bit
[15:04] <knome> hey slickymaster-job 
[15:04] <knome> slickymaster-job, i updated the main ubiquity-slideshow-branch
[15:05] <slickymaster-job> haven't saw it yet, will do it in a minute
[15:05] <knome> well we did some cool things with ochosi ;)
[15:06] <slickymaster-job> I tried to pinged this weekend but I was only able to access freenode yesterday night
[15:08] <slickymaster-job> as I have now, let me ask you something, in the xub -docs changelog there is "xubuntu-docs (14.04.1) saucy; urgency=medium" and also "xubuntu-docs (14.04.0) trusty; urgency=medium" as titles of changes made
[15:08] <slickymaster-job> knome: so my question is what is the one to be used?
[15:08] <knome> .1
[15:09] <knome> that should say "UNRELEASED" instead of saucy
[15:09] <slickymaster-job> presently is saying saucy, not UNRELEASED
[15:09] <knome> as i said, *should* say... *instead* of saucy :)
[15:10] <knome> feel free to edit that if you are doing other changes.
[15:10] <knome> basically, that status should make it obvious which one you should edit
[15:10] <knome> if you use some logic...
[15:10] <knome> the version numbers are xx.xx.y
[15:10] <knome> where xx.xx is the release number
[15:11] <knome> and .y is the -docs release count for that release
[15:11] <slickymaster-job> alright, tonight I'm going to make a MP correcting the link to the xfdesktop docs and rolling back that initial paragraph of the Command-Line chapter and I'll use the correct one
[15:11] <knome> and version numbers should always match the released status
[15:11] <knome> so it should be obvious that 14.04.1 <-> saucy is wrong
[15:12] <slickymaster-job> knome: I'll be using "xubuntu-docs (14.04.1) Unreleases; urgency=medium" -> Is that right? I'm also including in the question the urgency level
[15:13] <knome> make it UNRELEASED (with that case)
[15:13] <slickymaster-job> ok, and what about the urgency level?
[15:13] <knome> the urgency level is what docs packages in debian tend to have nowadays
[15:13] <knome> used to be low
[15:13] <slickymaster-job> medium?
[15:13] <knome> yep
[15:13] <knome> that's fine
[15:13] <slickymaster-job> I'm enlightened. Let me go and check the ubiquity slideshow :)
[15:30] <slickymaster-job> knome: slide 01-desktop.xml
[15:31] <slickymaster-job> isn't the font size quite small?
[15:32] <knome> quite.
[15:32] <slickymaster-job> I mean the font in the text that describes the top panel 
[15:32] <knome> yes.
[15:33] <knome> compare it to the text on the panel
[15:33] <knome> yeaaah, it's a tad smaller
[15:33] <slickymaster-job> another queastion, 03_personalize.html the space left blank, is it supposed to later have any image added»
[15:33] <knome> yep
[15:33] <slickymaster-job> more than a tad
[15:34] <knome> not really more :P
[15:34] <knome> or you are seeing something i'm not
[15:34] <knome> do you have problems reading it?
[15:34] <slickymaster-job> I'm having domr difficulties in reading it
[15:34] <slickymaster-job> s/domr/some
[15:35] <knome> right
[15:35] <knome> i'll look at it after beta
[15:35] <knome> the current one is uploaded
[15:35] <slickymaster-job> the same goes to the the apps <list> in the 04_defaultapps.html slide
[15:35] <slickymaster-job> the same about the font size
[15:36] <knome> but the application "paths" always were that size
[15:37] <slickymaster-job> other than that, I think it's great, and your initial intention has been fulfilled, the slideshow has been completely revamped 
[15:37] <slickymaster-job> I do like it
[15:37] <GridCube> :)
[15:38] <slickymaster-job> you and ochosi are to be truly congratulated 
[15:38] <slickymaster-job> hey GridCube 
[15:39] <GridCube> hey
[16:36] <slickymaster-job> knome: FYI https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/trusty/+pots/desktop-guide/fi/+translate (92,896%)
[16:36] <knome> i know
[16:55] <knome> bbl
[17:00] <sergio-br2> hey ochosi
[17:01] <ochosi> hey sergio-br2 
[17:03] <sergio-br2> fine?
[17:03] <ochosi> yeah, finally a bit better today
[17:03] <ochosi> i pushed a webapps branch, maybe you already noticed
[17:03] <ochosi> (or maybe i mentioned it, not sure with all the netsplits)
[17:03] <sergio-br2> i will see
[17:04] <sergio-br2> i'm doing the mimes/96
[17:04] <ochosi> anyway, you asked me something and i couldn't reply because of the netsplits and the illness
[17:04] <ochosi> but now i've forgotten the question... :>
[17:04] <sergio-br2> and there are some mimes in 128 that are a little different of others, in others folders
[17:05] <ochosi> right, which ones?
[17:05] <sergio-br2> like text-html.svg, there is a folded sheet
[17:05] <sergio-br2> this detail, there is no in 6
[17:05] <sergio-br2> in 64 or 48
[17:06] <ochosi> (frankly, i haven't taken care of mimes >64)
[17:06] <sergio-br2> so, what's the normal behavior of these mime?
[17:06] <ochosi> (i was totally exhausted after doing all the 64px ones and trying to somewhat fix the other sizes)
[17:07] <ochosi> yeah, that's the "old" look/style
[17:07] <ochosi> previously all sheets had that folded effect
[17:07] <ochosi> then upstream switched, so i also switched
[17:07] <ochosi> that was also a lot of work
[17:07] <sergio-br2> ah, ok, so i have to change in 128?
[17:07] <ochosi> there are still some small inconsistencies in smaller sizes i think
[17:07] <ochosi> ideally yes, but it's not overly important
[17:08] <sergio-br2> ok
[17:08] <sergio-br2> i didn't know what folder to use as example
[17:08] <sergio-br2> in 96
[17:09] <sergio-br2> so i can finish mimes/96, having at least all same icons in mimes/128
[17:12] <ochosi> 48 is a good example i think
[17:13] <ochosi> ok, great
[18:17] <pleia2> jjfrv8: not sure if you got an answer, I just saw in my backlog - docs are US english, they are translated to en_UK en_AU etc
[18:17] <pleia2> I met a tech writer at SCaLE12x this weekend who wants to help with our docs, hopefully he'll drop me an email so I can connect you two
[18:40] <slickymaster-job> knome: https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/trusty/+pots/desktop-guide/pt/+translate -> 100%  eh eh eh :P
[18:40] <slickymaster-job> bbl ->
[20:33] <ali1234> ok so i talked to the gnome people about glib crashes
[20:34] <ali1234> it was suggested this could be caused by allocating with g_slice and then freeing with g_free, or the reverse
[20:35] <ali1234> thunar uses both g_slice_free and g_free a lot so this seems entirely possible that someone used the wrong one somewhere
[22:31] <ali1234> xfce bug 9581
[22:31] <ali1234> hmm :/
[23:32] <brainwash> Noskcaj: we got 2 important upstream fixes for abiword, what do you suggest to do?
[23:36] <brainwash> this whole "ubuntu <-> debian <-> upstream" thingy can be so annoying sometimes
[23:39] <brainwash> bug 1261203
[23:39] <brainwash> and bug 1262375