[00:20] ali1234, just got the thunar crash. any extra information I can provide you? [00:21] what were you doing with thunar since you started it, up until the crash? [00:21] browsing a samba share [00:21] particularly any "unusual" things such as very deep folder structures, very long file names, very large number of files in directory... etc? [00:22] what was the very last thing before it crashed? [00:22] I hit the x, just as all the other reports [00:22] but nothing unusual, just browsed to my media on a nas and watched a show, something I do regularly [00:23] hmm... so long file names? [00:23] any special characters or anything like that? [00:24] No special characters, except for a single space [00:24] the path is only 35 characters long [00:27] do you use tree view? [00:28] shortcuts in the sidebar, detailed list in the main viewer [00:30] did yo delete any files recently? [00:30] or move them? [00:30] (with thunar of course) [00:30] no, just got it to crash again though. no output in the command. anyway to get a verbose debug? [00:30] if you can reproduce, run it in valgrind please [00:31] sudo apt-get install valgrind thunar-dbg libglib2.0-0-0-dbg libgtk-2-0-dbg libgtk-3-0-dbg [00:32] should have been libgtk2.0-0-dbg [00:32] then killall thunar [00:32] then: G_SLICE=always-malloc G_DEBUG=gc-friendly valgrind -v --tool=memcheck --num-callers=40 --track-origins=yes --log-file=valgrind.log thunar [00:33] it will be really slow though [00:33] I was just about to say it hadn't loaded yet... [00:34] valgrind will log every malloc done by the program, and then every memory access will be checked to make sure it is valid [00:34] not sure if I actually reproduced, but I got this output: [00:34] (thunar:6634): GLib-CRITICAL **: Source ID 684 was not found when attempting to remove it [00:34] i have seen that too, but it doesn't crash [00:35] may be related though [00:35] didn't seem like it [00:35] ==22490== Uninitialised value was created by a stack allocation [00:35] ==22490== at 0xADFB640: ??? (in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpixman-1.so.0.30.2) [00:35] i am seeing a lot of this [00:50] ali1234, valgrind has a lot of errors on all xfce packages, have you got a folder full of files you can copy from a usb? that's what caused my most recent crash [00:51] during copying? [00:51] valgrind always produces errors but most of them are harmless or even intentional [00:51] after copying i clicked the X, then error [00:51] and ok [01:56] hmm got some clues from the USB copy [01:58] :) [02:03] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6984954/ [02:04] not sure if those are really errors [02:07] hmm interesting [02:08] that first one... filename is an argument - it does wchar_t *wfilename = g_utf8_to_utf16 (filename, -1, NULL, NULL, NULL); and then returns if this is null [02:08] but somehow filename was null later in the function [02:08] it never actually nullchecks filename though [02:09] and also it only happened one time [02:12] bluesabre, Since light-locker-settings has native packaging, why does it have a debian/patches/ folder? [02:17] oh wait, it's all a big ifdef [02:17] it never nullchecks filename on !win32 [03:00] hmm... thumbnailer uses g_list quite a bit [03:02] something asked it to thumbnail a file with path = NULL, so that's definitely not right [03:04] hmm there we go, fully reproducable [03:05] stack [03:39] hmm... nope, almost certainly a red herring [03:45] Another item for U-series, maybe swap from xchat to hexchat (a branch of xchat that is actually maintained) [03:48] Right. [05:00] ochosi: Of course I've PPA'd latest xfwm4 git head. :P [06:04] What other 4.11 parts do we want? (other than garcon, libui, and settings) === astraljava1 is now known as astraljava [09:34] Are you having problems with mis-sized icons in the main menu? === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [12:23] zequence: there was a bug with that in xubuntu a longer while ago [12:24] hey ochosi, morning [12:24] did you saw jjfrv8' comments on the xfdesktop preferences? [12:25] have lost track of that a bit though [12:25] I believe he pinged you last saturday on that [12:26] I'm asking because I wanted to know if you're ok with what has done, so I can correct the link in xub -docs [12:26] yes, but i was ill (and now my internet connection is soooo lame again...) [12:26] slickymaster-job: you can correct that link anyways [12:26] hope you're feeling better now [12:26] yeah, a bit [12:26] ok, I'll make MP tonight [12:27] link to here: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/4.11/start [12:27] this weekend has been oddly in sickbay [12:27] you and Unit193 [12:27] xfdesktop will hopefully receive the patch to point to this page in xubuntu too [12:27] I'll do it then [12:28] yeah, well it has been kinda springish here, so that's the perfect time for a small influenza epidemic [12:28] ttyl [12:28] yup, seeya [12:50] even freenode has been unwell [12:50] indeed [12:50] and hey bluesabre [12:50] wasn't able to catch you much this weekend due to both illnesses [12:50] ochosi: I like the new panel layout, but I'd be in favor of adding the action buttons back [12:51] that's cool [12:51] bluesabre, come on :P [12:51] I wasn't around much myself [12:51] bluesabre, as if you didn't have time to whine about that earlier [12:51] lol [12:51] I even approved it [12:51] bluesabre: you mean *after* voting on it and all, you'd now be "in favor of" ? :D [12:51] yeah, so too late now.. ;) [12:51] :D [12:51] i'd prefer not to open this pandora's box [12:51] everyone will have suggestions and stuff [12:51] but I do like the new amounts of free space [12:52] yeah, the idea is to mention that you can easily customize the panel in the slideshow [12:52] i do have to agree with sean though ;) [12:52] (we're working on that now) [12:52] its really a much cleaner layout [12:52] knome: yeah, whatever ;) [12:52] i didn't notice this shortcoming before i ran trusty on vbox ;) [12:52] fortunately it's an easy thing to change! [12:52] * knome hides [12:52] :D [12:53] we can revisit that for T+1 [12:53] ochosi: I saw the weirdness with a second monitor sitting in the same spot as the primary monitor with the greeter [12:53] so I can look into fixing that now [12:53] bluesabre: that'd be nice, but i don't think it has to be a primary concern. or is this a setup you can generate using xfce4-display-settings? [12:54] none of that matters, its a default x config that doesn't depend on any user's settings [12:54] yeah, but how is that handled nowadays that xorg.conf is dead? [12:54] * ochosi is a bit clueless as to that [12:54] shut down your computer, attach a tv, turn it on, bam! [12:54] :) [12:55] basically everything is set at x position 0 [12:55] * ochosi doesn't have what they called "tv" in the old days [12:55] beh, that blows [12:55] using the native monitor resolution [12:55] so we need to handle displays ourselves in the greeter [12:55] I think I know a hack-tastic way around it [12:55] we could steal some of the xfsettingsd code [12:55] ok [12:56] since its minor, I'm for doing something that just works [12:56] ok [12:56] sounds good to me [12:56] we can do better multi-head handling in 2.0 [12:56] yeah [12:56] that will be fun [12:56] ... not [12:56] hehe [12:56] indeed [12:56] anyway, gotta head off to work [12:56] okay, seeya later then [12:56] hopefully I'll get something accomplished tonight [12:56] btw, prolly won't be around tonight :/ [12:57] np [12:57] but i can test tomorrow [13:07] jjfrv8: thanks for the prefs! looks great and will be merged to docs.xfce as soon as i can [13:07] slickymaster-job: ^ [13:08] thanks ochosi [13:10] lunch time. bbl -> [13:12] slickymaster-job: bon appetit [13:19] jjfrv8, slickymaster-job: xfdesktop4.11 docs are all complete and here now: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/4.11/start [13:19] jjfrv8, slickymaster-job: congrats and thanks a lot for your hard work on this! it's very much appreciated [13:42] ochosi: Oh? Could you point me to the fix? [13:44] sorry, as i said i've lost track of this issue a (longer) while ago [13:44] ochosi: Was it during this development cycle? [13:44] but i remember us being affected by it [13:44] i thought it was fixed in xfce upstream [13:44] (but i might be even wrong about that) [13:44] fwiw, xubuntu uses whiskermenu by default now [13:44] We're having this problem right now. Some icons are the wrong size [13:45] and i try to provide png icons of the correct size for every app we ship, so at least by default it should be ok [13:45] iirc the bug affected xpm icons [13:46] Ok. I'll look around a bit [15:04] hey slickymaster-job [15:04] slickymaster-job, i updated the main ubiquity-slideshow-branch [15:05] haven't saw it yet, will do it in a minute [15:05] well we did some cool things with ochosi ;) [15:06] I tried to pinged this weekend but I was only able to access freenode yesterday night [15:08] as I have now, let me ask you something, in the xub -docs changelog there is "xubuntu-docs (14.04.1) saucy; urgency=medium" and also "xubuntu-docs (14.04.0) trusty; urgency=medium" as titles of changes made [15:08] knome: so my question is what is the one to be used? [15:08] .1 [15:09] that should say "UNRELEASED" instead of saucy [15:09] presently is saying saucy, not UNRELEASED [15:09] as i said, *should* say... *instead* of saucy :) [15:10] feel free to edit that if you are doing other changes. [15:10] basically, that status should make it obvious which one you should edit [15:10] if you use some logic... [15:10] the version numbers are xx.xx.y [15:10] where xx.xx is the release number [15:11] and .y is the -docs release count for that release [15:11] alright, tonight I'm going to make a MP correcting the link to the xfdesktop docs and rolling back that initial paragraph of the Command-Line chapter and I'll use the correct one [15:11] and version numbers should always match the released status [15:11] so it should be obvious that 14.04.1 <-> saucy is wrong [15:12] knome: I'll be using "xubuntu-docs (14.04.1) Unreleases; urgency=medium" -> Is that right? I'm also including in the question the urgency level [15:13] make it UNRELEASED (with that case) [15:13] ok, and what about the urgency level? [15:13] the urgency level is what docs packages in debian tend to have nowadays [15:13] used to be low [15:13] medium? [15:13] yep [15:13] that's fine [15:13] I'm enlightened. Let me go and check the ubiquity slideshow :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [15:30] knome: slide 01-desktop.xml [15:31] isn't the font size quite small? [15:32] quite. [15:32] I mean the font in the text that describes the top panel [15:32] yes. [15:33] compare it to the text on the panel [15:33] yeaaah, it's a tad smaller [15:33] another queastion, 03_personalize.html the space left blank, is it supposed to later have any image added» [15:33] yep [15:33] more than a tad [15:34] not really more :P [15:34] or you are seeing something i'm not [15:34] do you have problems reading it? [15:34] I'm having domr difficulties in reading it [15:34] s/domr/some [15:35] right [15:35] i'll look at it after beta [15:35] the current one is uploaded [15:35] the same goes to the the apps in the 04_defaultapps.html slide [15:35] the same about the font size [15:36] but the application "paths" always were that size [15:37] other than that, I think it's great, and your initial intention has been fulfilled, the slideshow has been completely revamped [15:37] I do like it [15:37] :) [15:38] you and ochosi are to be truly congratulated [15:38] hey GridCube [15:39] hey [16:36] knome: FYI https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/trusty/+pots/desktop-guide/fi/+translate (92,896%) [16:36] i know [16:55] bbl [17:00] hey ochosi [17:01] hey sergio-br2 [17:03] fine? [17:03] yeah, finally a bit better today [17:03] i pushed a webapps branch, maybe you already noticed [17:03] (or maybe i mentioned it, not sure with all the netsplits) [17:03] i will see [17:04] i'm doing the mimes/96 [17:04] anyway, you asked me something and i couldn't reply because of the netsplits and the illness [17:04] but now i've forgotten the question... :> [17:04] and there are some mimes in 128 that are a little different of others, in others folders [17:05] right, which ones? [17:05] like text-html.svg, there is a folded sheet [17:05] this detail, there is no in 6 [17:05] in 64 or 48 [17:06] (frankly, i haven't taken care of mimes >64) [17:06] so, what's the normal behavior of these mime? [17:06] (i was totally exhausted after doing all the 64px ones and trying to somewhat fix the other sizes) [17:07] yeah, that's the "old" look/style [17:07] previously all sheets had that folded effect [17:07] then upstream switched, so i also switched [17:07] that was also a lot of work [17:07] ah, ok, so i have to change in 128? [17:07] there are still some small inconsistencies in smaller sizes i think [17:07] ideally yes, but it's not overly important [17:08] ok [17:08] i didn't know what folder to use as example [17:08] in 96 [17:09] so i can finish mimes/96, having at least all same icons in mimes/128 [17:12] 48 is a good example i think [17:13] ok, great [18:17] jjfrv8: not sure if you got an answer, I just saw in my backlog - docs are US english, they are translated to en_UK en_AU etc [18:17] I met a tech writer at SCaLE12x this weekend who wants to help with our docs, hopefully he'll drop me an email so I can connect you two [18:40] knome: https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/trusty/+pots/desktop-guide/pt/+translate -> 100% eh eh eh :P [18:40] bbl -> [20:33] ok so i talked to the gnome people about glib crashes [20:34] it was suggested this could be caused by allocating with g_slice and then freeing with g_free, or the reverse [20:35] thunar uses both g_slice_free and g_free a lot so this seems entirely possible that someone used the wrong one somewhere === slickyma1ter is now known as slickymaster [22:31] xfce bug 9581 [22:31] xfce bug 9581 in general "Thunar segmentation fault" [Critical,Resolved: fixed] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9581 [22:31] hmm :/ [23:32] Noskcaj: we got 2 important upstream fixes for abiword, what do you suggest to do? [23:36] this whole "ubuntu <-> debian <-> upstream" thingy can be so annoying sometimes [23:39] bug 1261203 [23:39] bug 1261203 in abiword (Ubuntu) "Abiword top ruler hidden by gray area on first open" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261203 [23:39] and bug 1262375 [23:39] bug 1262375 in abiword (Ubuntu) "abiword crashed with SIGABRT in FV_UnixSelectionHandles::FV_UnixSelectionHandles() saving as PDF file" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1262375