[00:03] <belkinsa> slickymaster, ping.
[00:54] <slickymaster> belkinsa: pong
[00:54] <belkinsa> Did ye get the last mailing-list e-mail from BlinkinCat?
[00:54] <slickymaster> seeing it now
[00:55]  * belkinsa is really lost now
[00:55] <slickymaster> but I'm unable understand it
[00:55] <belkinsa> Yeah and that's why I'm asking you.
[00:55] <slickymaster> it seems to me that it's a old one resent
[00:56] <slickymaster> thing is I don't quite grasp his intentions
[00:57] <belkinsa> Yeah.  Is it his disorder that is causing this?
[00:57] <knome> on an unrelated note, any news on merging the team to -doc?
[00:57] <belkinsa> No news.
[00:57] <slickymaster> it's the only logic explanation I can think of
[00:58] <slickymaster> nopes knome
[00:58] <belkinsa> Oh, woah.  knome, hey there.
[00:58] <knome> :)
[00:59] <slickymaster> the last week, due to same erratic behavior from Geoff
[00:59] <slickymaster> we weren't able to discuus it
[00:59] <slickymaster> s/discuus/discuss
[00:59] <jenni> slickymaster meant to say: we weren't able to discuss it
[01:00] <belkinsa> And I confused Leigh.
[01:00] <belkinsa> You need to join the list, knome!
[01:01] <knome> well, i really don't need yet another list, which is why i think the teams should be merged...
[01:02] <slickymaster> the way I see things right now, the best approach would be to simply pop the question in the mailing list
[01:02] <slickymaster> due to his disorder, Geoff position may vary from one day to the other
[01:03] <belkinsa> And that's the hard part is to get a stright answer
[01:03] <slickymaster> so an explanation of what is intended should be wrote and the question asked
[01:04] <slickymaster> do you think you can do that belkinsa?
[01:04] <belkinsa> That can work.
[01:04] <knome> if you want, i can review the mail before sending it
[01:05] <knome> in any way, please CC me in the discussion
[01:05] <belkinsa> Sure thing.
[01:05] <slickymaster> of course knome
[01:06] <slickymaster> belkinsa: can you draft something for me and knome to review?
[01:06] <belkinsa> Sure.
[01:06] <belkinsa> Here or in e-mail form?
[01:06] <slickymaster> thanks
[01:07] <slickymaster> you choose
[01:07] <knome> belkinsa, i guess a pad is the best once you've got it to the review stage, then we can tweak it live and get it sent soon
[01:07] <knome> i tend to be bad on things that are sent me to email that i need to send back
[01:07] <belkinsa> I agree, the pad is better.  How to get one?
[01:07] <slickymaster> lol
[01:07] <knome> belkinsa, just go to pad.ubuntu.com
[01:07] <knome> belkinsa, and create a pad
[01:08] <belkinsa> Okay, one sec
[01:08] <slickymaster> pad.ubuntu.com
[01:08] <knome> slickymaster, slow today? :)
[01:08] <slickymaster> getting some laundry done
[01:08] <slickymaster> :)
[01:08] <slickymaster> being single again has this type of chores :P
[01:09] <knome> awwh
[01:09] <belkinsa> Created: http://pad.ubuntu.com/iAhFPxaSyd
[01:09] <jenni> [ OpenID Authentication Required ] - https://j.mp/1mDV9lQ
[01:09] <knome> bookmarked
[01:13] <belkinsa> I got the base written.
[01:13] <knome> i'll look at it in a minute
[01:13] <knome> or two...
[01:13] <belkinsa> Alright.
[01:14] <belkinsa> I'm keeping this one formal because I think it's needed.
[01:31] <knome> hmm, right
[01:33] <knome> hey belkinsa, slickymaster
[01:33] <knome> i asked pleia2 to join our effort
[01:33] <pleia2> o/
[01:33] <knome> the pad is at http://pad.ubuntu.com/iAhFPxaSyd
[01:33] <jenni> [ OpenID Authentication Required ] - https://j.mp/1mDV9lQ
[01:35] <knome> my first thoughts:
[01:35] <pleia2> seeing as we're ramping up the wiki documentation team over in -docs, I think it does make sense to finally sync things up
[01:35] <knome> is it necessary to discuss disorders?
[01:35] <pleia2> we're also collaborating with the ubuntu manual folks these days
[01:35] <pleia2> knome: no
[01:35] <pleia2> I'd remove that stuff
[01:36] <pleia2> as far as I'm concerned, this is really just an overall consolidation effort so we're all working together and on the same page :)
[01:42] <belkinsa> Hey there, pleia2.  To everyone, I was afk eating dinner.
[01:44] <pleia2> hey :)
[01:44] <pleia2> time for me to go for my run now
[01:44] <knome> pleia2, have fun!
[01:44] <belkinsa> Okay, thanks for the help.
[01:48] <knome> i don't think it's fair to pull up the disorder in a public mailing list; for the one that has it, or others
[01:48] <belkinsa> I agree.
[01:48] <belkinsa> (what was a thinking)
[01:48] <knome> if you think you need to have a more personal tone, maybe send a personal mail in addition
[01:49] <slickymaster> yeah, I do agrre with you knome regarding that
[01:49] <belkinsa> That could work.  slickymaster would it make a difference to him if we have a personal e-mail to him?
[01:49] <knome> and to be honest.. this isn't about one person
[01:49] <slickymaster> thing is, for what I know of Geff, that mail will just pull him apart
[01:50] <slickymaster> yeah, I know, but it was him who started it all
[01:50] <belkinsa> Right...you know him longer than me and knome.
[01:50] <slickymaster> maybe I'm just reading it trhe wrong way
[01:51] <knome> slickymaster, i understand that
[01:51] <belkinsa> Or I'm misunderstanding everything.
[01:51] <slickymaster> np, I'll mail personally, aside that email to the list
[01:51] <knome> one of the reasons i asked pleia2 to join us was to get some insight from a person that sits on the CC
[01:51] <slickymaster> I imagine that
[01:51] <belkinsa> slickymaster, okay.
[01:52] <belkinsa> And good move, knome.
[01:52] <knome> i do not want to upset anybody, nor make them feel like they hit the rock botto
[01:52] <slickymaster> that's what I'm afraid
[01:52] <knome> but on the other hand, i think it's not sustainable to try to avoid saying something or in some tone because of a single person
[01:53] <knome> repetitio mater studiorum est: i don't want to make anybody feel bad, but things need to roll forward
[01:53] <slickymaster> yeah, it's like being stuck between a rock and a hard place :P
[01:53] <belkinsa> Agreed.
[01:54] <knome> so the best thing we can do is break the ice (done in IRC) and propose it formally as we've agreed on, but in a respective manner
[01:54] <knome> we don't want to lose *anybody* working on this project.
[01:54] <slickymaster> belkinsa: go ahead and send the email, I'll mail him personnaly
[01:55] <belkinsa> Alright, I will.  In reply to or a new one?
[01:55] <belkinsa> s/I will/on it.
[01:55] <jenni> belkinsa meant to say: Alright, on it..  In reply to or a new one?
[01:55] <slickymaster> I think it's better a new one
[01:56] <belkinsa> Okay.  What title should I title it?
[01:56] <knome> belkinsa, draft in the same pad?
[01:56] <belkinsa> For what?
[01:57] <knome> personal mail?
[01:57] <knome> i already started taht
[01:57] <knome> feel free to draft elsewhere if you don't want my sticky fingers in ;)
[01:57] <slickymaster> 5 minutes guys, I have to remove my laundry from the washing machine and put it in the dryer
[01:59] <knome> slickymaster, summarize what you want to say to geoff?
[02:00] <belkinsa> Should the mailing-list e-mail be also posted to the thread?
[02:00] <knome> which thread?
[02:00] <belkinsa> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2110857
[02:00] <jenni> [ Discussion - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs ] - https://j.mp/1gy6yw6
[02:00] <knome> why not
[02:01] <belkinsa> I will be on it once I get slickymaster permisson.
[02:02] <belkinsa> E-mail sent.
[02:02] <belkinsa> And not CCed.  Sorry, knome.
[02:02] <belkinsa> What is your e-mail?
[02:02] <knome> oi oi. :)
[02:02] <knome> i see the mail
[02:03] <knome> mine is: pasi@shimmerproject.org
[02:03] <knome> (knome@ubuntu.com works as well)
[02:04] <belkinsa> Sent to your Ubuntu e-mail.
[02:05] <belkinsa> slickymaster, ping.
[02:05] <belkinsa> I know that you are there.
[02:05] <belkinsa> ;)
[02:07] <slickymaster> belkinsa: I'm here now
[02:08] <belkinsa> Okay, sorry about that.  Anyways, can I post that e-mail minus the greetings in the Thread on the Forums?
[02:09] <slickymaster> of coursse belkinsa, you didn't need to ask me that :P
[02:09] <belkinsa> Okay, I was just checking.
[02:10] <knome> belkinsa, slickymaster: see the pad for a personal mail draft
[02:10] <belkinsa> Done.
[02:12] <knome> again, feel free to add my name, but don't feel obliged to
[02:12] <knome> and feel free to poke around as much as you like
[02:12] <knome> bbiab
[02:13] <belkinsa> Looks good.
[02:15] <slickymaster> knome: please don't take it wrongly but I think I prefer to write him something myself
[02:17] <knome> slickymaster, not at all :)
[02:18] <knome> i guess that's the message i want to give him
[02:18] <slickymaster> but I dfo have to say that your text is quite good
[02:18] <knome> heh, thanks
[02:18] <knome> i've been practicing!
[02:18] <belkinsa> It's good that you have these skills.
[02:19] <knome> yeah, one kind of has to when being an entrepreneur
[02:19] <knome> ..or won't be too long
[02:19] <knome> hardest part is writing the offers...
[02:22] <belkinsa> It's bed time for me.  Thanks for the help everyone.
[02:24] <knome> same here really
[02:24] <knome> night belkinsa, slickymaster
[02:24] <knome> thanks for taking care
[02:24] <knome> ...and finally, see you later :)
[02:28] <slickymaster> cy guys, I'm off to bed also, I'll have to be up in 3 hours to go to work :P
[02:28] <slickymaster> thanks for evrything knome and pleia2