[00:03] is this working? [00:04] michael_, nope :-p [00:07] ha ok === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:36] diddledan: he left :( [01:00] lol [01:01] he has that effect on people i guess [01:01] right, bed for me! nn mr. mapps :) [01:02] this early [01:02] pah! [01:03] o_O [01:03] did I do something wrong? [01:03] caused poor old michael_ to leave [01:03] :P [01:04] well I suffixed it with a pokie-out tongue, what more do you want?! [02:01] anyone used mod_geoip in apache? [02:29] grmpfh cant get modgeoip to work right === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [04:36] sleep is for whimps [04:51] I'm watching the mtgox ship sink [04:51] \o/ [04:57] is it bad? [04:57] yup [04:57] people are selling mt. gox debt for 0.15% of its value [04:57] wow [04:57] sorry, 15% [04:57] what's happened? [04:57] a matter of hours ago it was 25% [04:58] they stopped bitcoin withdrawals, closed their twitter account, shut down offices, fired customer service employees, quit the bitcoin foundation, and now their website is gone too [04:58] looks like they are taking the money and running, basically [04:58] oh bugger [04:59] good thing there are alternatives [04:59] rumors of insolvency are flying, and gradually gaining evidence [04:59] indeed [04:59] causing a major crash though [05:14] see this is the thing with all thois bitcoin with it being unregiulated largely there's been quite a lot of these things start up work for a bit..then suddenly close and dissapear [05:15] sometimes theyve been 'hacked' so they say..who can prove it? like Silk road 2.0 was hacked resulting in loss of loads of btc [05:15] wasnt mt gox the biggest btc exchange at one point? so it wasnt hacked ? they just shut up shop? [05:17] mapps: They blame their current downtime on a mis-feature (bug?) in the bitcoin protocol [05:17] but then it stayed down [05:17] yea [05:17] so people think the owners took the money and ran [05:17] they stopped witjdrawls a month ago [05:17] yea [05:17] if there was any left [05:17] they didnt suffer any hack or anything did they? [05:17] unknown [05:17] why wouldnt there be MartijnVdS if they werent hacked [05:17] they were the biggest exchange? [05:18] mapps: because of that "transaction malleability" bug [05:19] is it true? [05:19] or was it just a lie they said tho [05:19] if they use bad software (and they tend to -- from past experience), they could have spent more of their money than intended [06:39] morning all [06:39] * jussi rubs eyes and grunts to the channel [06:39] * MooDoo grunts back, been awake since 4am :( [06:41] morning MooDoo / jussi [06:42] MooDoo: I had a similar experience, thanks to a non sleeping child. [06:42] hm [06:42] morning mapps [06:42] mod_geoip returning my IP contry_code as EU [06:42] pfft [06:42] i was hoping for UK/GB [06:42] jussi: my son wnt to the loo and then got into our bed :( [06:43] MooDoo, lightweight - I've been awake since.. sunday [06:44] nothing light a decent drop of sleep deprivation to give you a buzz [06:44] diddledan: isnt today your sleep day? :P [06:45] ive just been watching tv all night [06:45] one more thing to watch then sleep..and not judge judy [06:45] :) [06:45] btw, have we any kubuntu peoples here? [06:46] not i..used to use kubuntu but now xubuntu [06:46] :D [06:46] mapps, no, don't do it. stay awake! [06:47] Just that the kubuntu council (namely me) is selling Kubuntu polo shirts if someone is interested.... [06:47] ah youre kubuntu council cool [06:47] https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/ [06:58] nice shirts :D [06:59] MooDoo: :) [07:02] jussi: come see me when there is no K on it ;) [07:03] MooDoo: hehe, go talk to canonical, they sell that merchandise. [07:07] :) just teasin :D [07:40] hrm, anyone seen this before? http://www.blackphone.ch/ [07:40] \o [07:43] jussi: yes I have :) did't know it was out yet :) [07:43] Hi [07:43] hello kaushal [07:43] MooDoo: ahh, interesting. [07:44] Can someone please help me understand the difference between tailf and tail -f? [07:44] jussi: phil zimmerman is part of it [07:44] MooDoo: Hello [07:44] MooDoo: who is phil zimmerman? [07:44] I am really not able to understand [07:45] kaushal: It is similar to tail -f but does not access the file when it is not growing. [07:45] MooDoo: not sure still i understand [07:45] MooDoo: any examples? [07:46] tail -f monitors the file all the time, looks for changes them displays them. [07:46] tailf only reports the changes when they happen otherwise it leaves the file alone. [07:46] man tailf from the command line :d [07:47] MooDoo: so typically i should be using tail -f instead of tailf? [07:47] hah "the heat" movie is fun [07:47] kaushal: I use tail -f never considered using tailf before [07:48] wait, there's a tailf command?! [07:48] that's far too sensible [07:48] diddledan: *zing* [07:48] diddledan: shhhh but I didn't know either, I just man tailf 'd it ;) [07:49] I need to put that into a script we use at work [07:49] much friendlier to an ssd I guess as a byproduct [07:51] hmm, doesn't look like os x has it available [07:52] not so much an issue for me now I'm back in buntuland but a colleague uses a mac [09:11] Good morning peeps :) [09:12] morning bigcalm [09:20] reddit sucks :/ [09:20] they only upvote me when i post really retarded things [09:21] because they are kids [09:21] eternal september [09:21] no, you're thinking of facebook [09:22] reddit upvotes bad jokes and left-wing propaganda [09:22] ali1234: at least it's not hackernews [09:23] because they are all 18-30 and unemployed [09:23] oh i didn't sub to those subreddits when i used it [09:23] you mean you just read the default subs? [09:23] i completely stopped reading it, not because i didn't enkoy it, but because it was a time sink [09:23] and fed bad emotions [09:23] no i read tech ones and UK ones [09:24] not any defaults after the first month [09:24] or any with memes [09:24] Morning all [09:25] morning diplo [09:26] Any success on your file server/nas thing MooDoo ? [09:26] when i started reading it i didn't care that dumb comments always went to the top [09:26] but when it's my dumb comment somehow it's worse [09:26] I'm a very limited reddit user, look at /r/netsec/ and a few sys admin type ones and that's about it [09:27] i thought british problems was funny for a week [09:27] then i realised its worse than slashdot for recycled "jokes" [09:27] don't really read it myself [09:28] i read it when i was feeding baby [09:28] in the night shifts [09:29] hmm... i totally missed this... Jolla released the SDK for their Other Half system [09:34] you get i2c and an interrupt [09:35] Good morning all; happy Chocolate-Covered Peanuts Day! :-D [09:35] hello JamesTait [09:36] Actually, it seems to be Allergenic Foods Day - the other thing listed for today is Clam Chowder Day. [09:40] allergenic fools? [09:41] aloha [09:41] hello laura [09:42] ello hows things [09:42] oooo that sounded formal lo [09:42] czajkowski: up since 4 so tired, but ok :) you? [09:43] morning boys and girls. [09:43] brobostigon: hullo [09:43] not bad looking out at the rain and wondering how I'm gonna pop out for a dog walk [09:43] morning MooDoo [09:44] czajkowski: wrap up warm with a cag on :) [09:44] brobostigon: how are you? [09:45] MooDoo: not bad, and you? [09:45] brobostigon: tired, but ok :D [09:46] * brobostigon gets MooDoo more coffee :) [09:52] Is it right that Ubuntu (from the phones perspective) is "Deep down, Ubuntu is based on Android, but Canonical has spent the last year replacing Android's innards with its own technology" [09:53] Thought ubuntu touch was ubuntu to be honest [09:55] So did I [09:56] Thats a comment in a review on cnet.com [09:56] yeah, i saw that too [09:56] i think that's a reporter paraphrasing [09:57] "deep down" (meaning kernel) "is based on Android" (AOSP) [09:57] which is true. [09:58] I think they'd have been better describing it the reverse way though, deep down, android and ubuntu are based on linux [09:59] that's pretty much backwards [09:59] that's what reporters do [09:59] that's not really true at all [09:59] which part of AOSP is it based on? [09:59] I thought Ubuntu Touch was essentially Android with Canonical's own display bits and bobs [09:59] Was just trying to get an idea of what the hardware specs for the Ubuntu phones will be & how they'll compare to the Galaxy S5/Nexus 5 [09:59] BigRedS: define android [09:59] that also isn't true. ubuntu and android are two things you can run on linux that have almost nothing at all in common beyond that [10:00] BigRedS: for many "android" means the android bsp plus dalvik/dart plus a load of classes [10:00] we don't ship the vast majority of that [10:00] android is surface flinger, dalvik, rild, and google's proprietary apps [10:00] and of that list we use rild [10:00] ah right [10:00] i never tried the android multi window, is it available? [10:01] most people have no idea what rild even is [10:02] i.e. me [10:02] rild is a system service that provides an abstraction of the phone hardware [10:02] as in the hardware of the system, or just the GSMy bits? [10:02] the GSMy bits [10:03] not that any phone uses GSM these days [10:03] 3 will shut down your account if your phone can't do 3G [10:03] Radio Interface L.... Daemon? [10:03] ? [10:04] surely 3G coverage isn't good enough to do that? [10:04] GSM = 1G devices that could only do internet at 9600 bps using accoustic modulation and 2G GPRS devices [10:05] BigRedS: 3 has no 2G network, they have to pay other companies if you use 2G on your 3 account [10:06] Ah, so it's just/mostly 3 doing that? [10:06] so if your phone *only* does 2G you are never actually using their network, and costing them loads of money [10:06] afaik, yes [10:06] ah, that sounds more reasonable :) [10:07] is 4G available in many places [in the UK] yet? [10:07] yes, if you live in london [10:08] or birmingham, liverpool, manchester, bristol/cardiff [10:08] I know someone in Reading who insists he's on 5G, I'm not sure that's even been developed yet. [10:09] dwatkins_: "Well MY dad is on 6G!" [10:09] if you live in manchester don't expect it to work more than half a mile outside the city centre === dwatkins_ is now known as dwatkins [10:09] MartijnVdS: well quite :) [10:11] ali1234: I live on the 7th floor, I get 1 bar of 4G from a transmitter ~15km away. And it doesn't handoff to 2G properly when there's a call (because it expects the 2G base station to be nearer to it, or something) :| [10:12] well the answer is clear [10:12] ali1234: wait another month for the network to be extended? [10:12] I used to live amongst many many stone buildings, I had to get a microcell to be able to consistently use my mobile (on Vodafone at the time) [10:12] no i was going to say get a phone that doesn't do 4G since they're a waste of money anyway [10:13] ali1234: but this phone is only 4 months old, it's a nexus 5 [10:13] ali1234: which is *cheap* by 4G phone standards, too [10:18] I can stream radio stations on my 3G phone, I don't need anything faster than that [10:18] * dwatkins is aware he sounds like a grumpy old man [10:19] that's ridiculous. buy a radio [10:19] the stuff I like to listen to isn't available via DAB [10:19] yesterday i got to work and the pillow crease was still on my face. i am old [10:20] as a young man that disappeared in minutes [10:30] http://www.spritzinc.com/ thats interesting [10:37] adding dedrm to calibre on linux is a massive pain if your books are not on a real life kindle [10:37] the kindle for pc route is fraight with problems [10:38] dunno why there isn't an easier way than wine yet [10:45] Morning all [10:45] moring davmor2 [10:45] you little boat you ;) lol [10:48] MooDoo: What? [10:48] davmor2: I said moring instead of morning. [10:49] i'm in a bad mood, so doing what little i can to cheer myself up [10:49] ah [10:49] MooDoo: ah allow me to slap you out of it. [10:49] I accidentally bought a load of pibits [10:49] diddledan: piwhats? [10:49] davmor2: yes by all means do so [10:49] bits [10:50] diddledan: yes but what are they? [10:50] https://github.com/richardghirst/PiBits [10:51] lol or just bits of addons for the raspberry pi [10:52] MooDoo: you don't *buy* lots of copies of a github project usually, do you? ;) [10:52] clone them, sure [10:52] but buying? [10:52] besides the adafruit gps module I already got, I took delivery this morning of 2x4GB SD cards, 2xAdafruit Pi T-Cobblers, 2xRPis a USB-to-ttl cable, a breadboard wire pack and 2x3xbreadboards (1x half-sized, and 1x quarter-sized) [10:53] diddledan: cool :) [10:55] MartijnVdS: yes but I just googled and put in the first link I found, bit hasty in hind sight lol [10:59] I guess I need to brush-up on my soldering skillz [11:07] hmm. iscsi on a 10GB nic. hdparm speeds of a vm are 250MB/sec. add another 10GB nic to the mix...new hdparm 180MB/s [11:09] ah. one vmk had 1500 mtu. fix that and now 230MB/s [11:12] tbh i would expect nearer 1GB/s [11:16] foobarry: modifying the MTU to what? [11:16] 9000 [11:17] would the adapter/OS not be bright enough to auto switch to jumbo frames or the like? [11:17] not on vsphere you need to set it . [11:18] ah [11:18] heh, i was xbox gaming with friends as usual last night, but one had moved house up in England (Uni student) but he was getting NAT issues [11:19] UPnP was on, so that didn't make any sense - ending up spotting this little Linksys had firmware from ~2006 whereas the latest available was from 2013 :D [11:19] i was on his machine over teamviewer then just updated the firmware - found it odd i could see the entire progress bar go whilst still connected [11:20] he rejoined and everything worked :D [11:23] had similar experience when i moved into house [11:23] previous owner said broadband was flaky [11:23] MooDoo: if it helps https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos?pid=5981724436439944274&oid=104244164525559506101 [11:23] left the adsl modem/router behind [11:23] he was right, but updated the firmware and it fixed the prob [11:23] hehe [11:26] it's great when things are that straightforward [11:28] davmor2: it's black dude [11:28] MooDoo: it should be some seals oinking [11:29] lol no I can't see it chap, but it made me smile any way :D [11:31] maybe they're black seals in the dark of a moonless night [11:45] it made me smile :D [11:46] davmor2: like it :D [12:16] is it odd that with a friends university's redhat server he's being advised to run 'sudo su' to switch to root 0o [12:16] Last night we did some shoping at sainsbury's and I clock and 80's anthems 5cd set in the bargain bin. You know it's a good selection when it start with "It takes Two" and cd 5 starts with "Relax" :) [12:17] daftykins: seems legit, he might be logged in as a non root user and they use sudo to allow students to go to root [12:18] sudo -i [12:19] MooDoo: yep but sudo su is bad practice in ubuntu land [12:19] Laney: yeah -s and -i can't be used as his user has no rights to execute /bin/bash apparently [12:20] daftykins: ubuntu != redhat :p [12:22] yeah i know [12:22] this is why i'm asking [12:22] sudo su - is equivalent to sudo -i more or less tho [12:22] sorry I'm just being awkward :) [12:25] * daftykins chases MooDoo with a holepunch [12:26] no no giggle giggle ;) [12:28] ok I didn't say that [12:30] MooDoo: it's a matter of public record that you did say it :P [12:30] XD [12:30] the record now shows MooDoo went into schoolgirl mode for a moment [12:31] blush [12:33] daftykins: that god you added mode to that sentence I was two 9's into calling the police ;) [12:33] davmor2: behave sir! [12:34] davmor2: who are you, diddledan!? [12:34] o_O [12:35] :D [12:42] http://vimeo.com/58200103 this just put a smile on my face so I though I would share it :) [12:45] :D [12:48] and these guys really rock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS826PwLHdQ&list=RDr7WEIbj93uY [12:49] the piano guys are good as well [12:50] i always enjoy the floppy disk based ones [12:50] well, drive [13:01] bigcalm: see if this would meet with your high standards of compilation picking http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Ultimate-Collection-80s-Anthems/dp/B00E7TP36G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393333193&sr=8-1&keywords=80%27s+anthems [13:03] I found sudo for each command very useful when I had to pin down what a sysadmin had done to mess up my dev infrastructure box [13:04] Because it logs them all === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:52] awilkins: what did it highlight? [13:53] daftykins: which dev does what, with what command and when [13:53] daftykins, I don't recall exactly but I found some file system commands about where certain symlinks had been placed I think [13:53] Doing manual installs of packaged things, tch. [13:54] ;/ === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:47] Tank, Fly, Boss walk, Jam nitty gritty [14:47] stab [14:48] davmor2: You're listening to the boy from the big bad city? [14:49] davmor2: I was born in a town in the great uk, from a baby to a boy to a man today! [14:49] MartijnVdS: and it's Jam hot [14:50] foobarry: why no love? Shame on you ;) [14:51] davmor2: what's love? [14:51] oh come on guys, i gave you a bone then [14:51] MooDoo: got to do with it [14:51] davmor2: no slap! [14:52] davmor2: baby don't hurt me don't hurt me no more lol [14:57] ooo am I feeling brave and upgrade my LTS server to trusy? [14:57] no [14:57] lol laptop was fine ;) [14:59] MooDoo: you're a madman I tell you MAD!!!! [15:00] davmor2: what till 4pm, I'm going to try and register the domain im2.sexy so I can have subdomains called myshirt and milan ;) lol ha ha ha ha ha [15:00] MooDoo, MartijnVdS: "Heart" and I'll give you a clue of hairdresser gang :D [15:03] davmor2: WTF! [15:04] MooDoo: Died in your arms tonight by the cutting crew. Song starts "Heart!" then bursts into Could of died in your arms tonight :) [15:05] davmor2 = cheesemonger [15:05] davmor2: I was looking at the Heart discography lo9l [15:07] MooDoo: I like your right said idea. But I think you need to add it hurts [15:11] MooDoo: Arua-bori-alis come in view-e-eww [15:11] aurora* [15:12] MartijnVdS: ta it didn't look right but it sounded right :) [15:13] MartijnVdS: I bet you know the song too :) [15:15] davmor2: you ran so far away? :) [15:15] (thank you, Vice City soundtrack) [15:15] MartijnVdS: I ran flock of seagulls :) [15:16] MartijnVdS: I'm just grabbing lines from the songs on this 80's Anthems bargain bin 5 cd collection that I got I'm loving it :) [15:17] davmor2: 8-) [15:19] davmor2: best of the 80's I got the other day :D [15:20] MartijnVdS, MooDoo: http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Ultimate-Collection-80s-Anthems/dp/B00E7TP36G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393333193&sr=8-1&keywords=80%27s+anthems but I got it at 4.99 from the local supermarket :) I can't fault the music :) [15:20] how do i work out theoetical performance of a 2tb lun on a 24 disk RAID6 array 10k disks? [15:20] foobarry: pen paper and a lot of math? [15:20] davmor2: have you seen my "So 80s it hurts" Spotify playlist? ;) [15:21] MartijnVdS: I spent a day listening to it and other than the odd foreign track that made no sense to me it was pretty cool :) [15:25] who was asking about ubuntu on the phones earlier? [15:26] well whoever it was check this - http://mhall119.com/2014/02/there-is-no-touch-only-ubuntu/ [15:28] MooDoo: Probably me [15:30] is there a ubuntu package that rolls up most developer tools? g++ gcc make etc [15:30] build-* [15:30] ? [15:31] build-essential is usually a good start [15:31] thats the one ta [15:32] i just do apt-get build-dep [15:32] I just have pbuilder ;) [15:32] anyone used iometer? [15:32] yeah i don't really like waiting half an hour to build every tiny program [15:35] foobarry, build-essential [15:35] aah shauno beat me [15:35] diddledan: beatings are against the CoC [15:35] shauno, that isn't an order! [15:37] :( [15:37] right, so midday sunday. through to nowish. I've only been awake 50hours === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:36] http://sarvagyavaish.github.io/FlappyBirdRL/ [17:31] wow, it's time to stop working already [17:31] 30 minutes past! [17:31] diddledan: so you really worked today!? [17:31] of course [17:33] I might have investigated my pibits too, but that's by-the-by :P [17:42] good evening [17:44] heya [17:48] sup [17:54] not much here mapps, quiet one today [17:54] yourself? [17:54] just going to continue to look at mod_geoip got it working but its giving my ips country code as EU [18:02] hrmm [18:04] odd eh [18:04] can u try it for me? [18:05] oh strange [18:05] now it says GB [18:05] http://94.193.78.219/eetest/test.php [18:05] Country Code: GB [18:05] Country Code 3: [18:05] Country Name: United Kingdom [18:05] GG :) [18:05] You need to tidy up your array indexes ;) [18:05] ya [18:06] those array keys dont exist hey..il remove them [18:06] this was a test:P [18:06] so i can use mod_geoip to redirect/restrict access based on country code using RewriteEngine [18:06] :D [18:06] Great success [18:06] no real need for it mind:P [18:08] ooh, nice, Amazon have brought back the laptop I was originally thinking of getting and its £200 cheaper than the model with 16Gb memory and an 8gb ssd [18:09] nice what cpu? [18:09] mapps: i7-4700MQ, 1TB hdd, 8GB ram [18:10] 1920x1080 display [18:10] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-Y510p-15-6-inch-Notebook-Processor/dp/B00FSBFBD2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393351633&sr=8-1&keywords=y510p [18:10] nice ive got an i5 8gb ram [18:10] tought you said 16gb ram [18:10] ooh lenovo never had a lenovo laptop [18:10] Hi. I am trying to port the ubuntu touch for nexus 5. I know that there are people who already dealing with I just wanna do it 4 fun and I am a bit stacked. Is there anybody who could help me a bit? [18:11] Can get it with 16Gb with 8GB ssd as well as the 1TB hdd, but don't see the point of that ssd [18:11] whats the problem guinness6554 - i was thinking about trying it with my nexus7 today as it happens [18:11] guinness6554: Probably a good place to ask that would be in #ubuntu-touch I think most of the people with experience will be in that channel [18:12] thanks [18:12] mapps: Just adding the extra 8gb ram + small ssd adds £200 to the price [18:12] ahh [18:14] What would be the point of such a small SSD [18:15] INfo just says Up to 24GB of SSD cache, is there any benefit to having that [18:16]