[00:03] <michael_> is this working?
[00:04] <diddledan> michael_, nope :-p
[00:07] <michael_> ha ok
[00:36] <daftykins> diddledan: he left :(
[01:00] <mapps> lol
[01:01] <daftykins> he has that effect on people i guess
[01:01] <daftykins> right, bed for me! nn mr. mapps :)
[01:02] <mapps> this early
[01:02] <mapps> pah!
[01:03] <diddledan> o_O
[01:03] <diddledan> did I do something wrong?
[01:03] <mapps> caused poor old michael_ to leave
[01:03] <mapps> :P
[01:04] <diddledan> well I suffixed it with a pokie-out tongue, what more do you want?!
[02:01] <mapps> anyone used mod_geoip in apache?
[02:29] <mapps> grmpfh cant get modgeoip to work right
[04:36] <diddledan> sleep is for whimps
[04:51] <Azelphur> I'm watching the mtgox ship sink
[04:51] <Azelphur> \o/
[04:57] <diddledan> is it bad?
[04:57] <Azelphur> yup
[04:57] <Azelphur> people are selling mt. gox debt for 0.15% of its value
[04:57] <diddledan> wow
[04:57] <Azelphur> sorry, 15%
[04:57] <diddledan> what's happened?
[04:57] <Azelphur> a matter of hours ago it was 25%
[04:58] <Azelphur> they stopped bitcoin withdrawals, closed their twitter account, shut down offices, fired customer service employees, quit the bitcoin foundation, and now their website is gone too
[04:58] <Azelphur> looks like they are taking the money and running, basically
[04:58] <diddledan> oh bugger
[04:59] <MartijnVdS> good thing there are alternatives
[04:59] <Azelphur> rumors of insolvency are flying, and gradually gaining evidence
[04:59] <Azelphur> indeed
[04:59] <Azelphur> causing a major crash though
[05:14] <mapps> see this is the thing with all thois bitcoin with it being unregiulated largely there's been quite a lot of these things start up work for a bit..then suddenly close and dissapear
[05:15] <mapps> sometimes theyve been 'hacked' so they say..who can prove it? like Silk road 2.0 was hacked resulting in loss of loads of btc
[05:15] <mapps> wasnt mt gox the biggest btc exchange at one point? so it wasnt hacked ? they just shut up shop?
[05:17] <MartijnVdS> mapps: They blame their current downtime on a mis-feature (bug?) in the bitcoin protocol
[05:17] <MartijnVdS> but then it stayed down
[05:17] <mapps> yea
[05:17] <MartijnVdS> so people think the owners took the money and ran
[05:17] <mapps> they stopped witjdrawls a month ago
[05:17] <mapps> yea
[05:17] <MartijnVdS> if there was any left
[05:17] <mapps> they didnt suffer any hack or anything did they?
[05:17] <MartijnVdS> unknown
[05:17] <mapps> why wouldnt there be MartijnVdS  if they werent hacked
[05:17] <mapps> they were the biggest exchange?
[05:18] <MartijnVdS> mapps: because of that "transaction malleability" bug
[05:19] <mapps> is it true?
[05:19] <mapps> or was it just a lie they said tho
[05:19] <MartijnVdS> if they use bad software (and they tend to -- from past experience), they could have spent more of their money than intended
[06:39] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:39]  * jussi rubs eyes and grunts to the channel
[06:39]  * MooDoo grunts back, been awake since 4am :(
[06:41] <mapps> morning MooDoo / jussi
[06:42] <jussi> MooDoo: I had a similar experience, thanks to a non sleeping child.
[06:42] <mapps> hm
[06:42] <jussi> morning mapps
[06:42] <mapps> mod_geoip returning my IP contry_code as EU
[06:42] <mapps> pfft
[06:42] <mapps> i was hoping for UK/GB
[06:42] <MooDoo> jussi: my son wnt to the loo and then got into our bed :(
[06:43] <diddledan> MooDoo, lightweight - I've been awake since.. sunday
[06:44] <diddledan> nothing light a decent drop of sleep deprivation to give you a buzz
[06:44] <jussi> diddledan: isnt today your sleep day?  :P
[06:45] <mapps> ive just been watching tv all night
[06:45] <mapps> one more thing to watch then sleep..and not judge judy
[06:45] <mapps> :)
[06:45] <jussi> btw, have we any kubuntu peoples here?
[06:46] <mapps> not i..used to use kubuntu but now xubuntu
[06:46] <mapps> :D
[06:46] <diddledan> mapps, no, don't do it. stay awake!
[06:47] <jussi> Just that the kubuntu council (namely me) is selling Kubuntu polo shirts if someone is interested....
[06:47] <mapps> ah youre kubuntu council cool
[06:47] <jussi> https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/
[06:58] <MooDoo> nice shirts :D
[06:59] <jussi> MooDoo: :)
[07:02] <MooDoo> jussi: come see me when there is no K on it ;)
[07:03] <jussi> MooDoo: hehe, go talk to canonical, they sell that merchandise.
[07:07] <MooDoo> :) just teasin :D
[07:40] <jussi> hrm, anyone seen this before? http://www.blackphone.ch/
[07:40] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:43] <MooDoo> jussi: yes I have :) did't know it was out yet :)
[07:43] <kaushal> Hi
[07:43] <MooDoo> hello kaushal
[07:43] <jussi> MooDoo: ahh, interesting.
[07:44] <kaushal> Can someone please help me understand the difference between tailf and tail -f?
[07:44] <MooDoo> jussi: phil zimmerman is part of it
[07:44] <kaushal> MooDoo: Hello
[07:44] <jussi> MooDoo: who is phil zimmerman?
[07:44] <kaushal> I am really not able to understand
[07:45] <MooDoo> kaushal: It is similar to tail -f but does not  access  the  file when  it  is not growing.
[07:45] <kaushal> MooDoo: not sure still i understand
[07:45] <kaushal> MooDoo: any examples?
[07:46] <MooDoo> tail -f monitors the file all the time, looks for changes them displays them.
[07:46] <MooDoo> tailf only reports the changes when they happen otherwise it leaves the file alone.
[07:46] <MooDoo> man tailf from the command line :d
[07:47] <kaushal> MooDoo: so typically i should be using tail -f instead of tailf?
[07:47] <diddledan> hah "the heat" movie is fun
[07:47] <MooDoo> kaushal: I use tail -f never considered using tailf before
[07:48] <diddledan> wait, there's a tailf command?!
[07:48] <diddledan> that's far too sensible
[07:48] <jussi> diddledan: *zing*
[07:48] <MooDoo> diddledan: shhhh but I didn't know either, I just man tailf 'd it ;)
[07:49] <diddledan> I need to put that into a script we use at work
[07:49] <diddledan> much friendlier to an ssd I guess as a byproduct
[07:51] <diddledan> hmm, doesn't look like os x has it available
[07:52] <diddledan> not so much an issue for me now I'm back in buntuland but a colleague uses a mac
[09:11] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:12] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[09:20] <ali1234> reddit sucks :/
[09:20] <ali1234> they only upvote me when i post really retarded things
[09:21] <foobarry> because they are kids
[09:21] <foobarry> eternal september
[09:21] <ali1234> no, you're thinking of facebook
[09:22] <ali1234> reddit upvotes bad jokes and left-wing propaganda
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: at least it's not hackernews
[09:23] <ali1234> because they are all 18-30 and unemployed
[09:23] <foobarry> oh i didn't sub to those subreddits when i used it
[09:23] <ali1234> you mean you just read the default subs?
[09:23] <foobarry> i completely stopped reading it, not because i didn't enkoy it, but because it was a time sink
[09:23] <foobarry> and fed bad emotions
[09:23] <foobarry> no i read tech ones and UK ones
[09:24] <foobarry> not any defaults after the first month
[09:24] <foobarry> or any with memes
[09:24] <diplo> Morning all
[09:25] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[09:26] <diplo> Any success on your file server/nas thing MooDoo ?
[09:26] <ali1234> when i started reading it i didn't care that dumb comments always went to the top
[09:26] <ali1234> but when it's my dumb comment somehow it's worse
[09:26] <diplo> I'm a very limited reddit user, look at /r/netsec/ and a few sys admin type ones and that's about it
[09:27] <foobarry> i thought british problems was funny for a week
[09:27] <foobarry> then i realised its worse than slashdot for recycled "jokes"
[09:27] <MooDoo> don't really read it myself
[09:28] <foobarry> i read it when i was feeding baby
[09:28] <foobarry> in the night shifts
[09:29] <ali1234> hmm... i totally missed this... Jolla released the SDK for their Other Half system
[09:34] <ali1234> you get i2c and an interrupt
[09:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Chocolate-Covered Peanuts Day! :-D
[09:35] <MooDoo> hello JamesTait
[09:36] <JamesTait> Actually, it seems to be Allergenic Foods Day - the other thing listed for today is Clam Chowder Day.
[09:40] <ali1234> allergenic fools?
[09:41] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:41] <MooDoo> hello laura
[09:42] <czajkowski> ello hows things
[09:42] <MooDoo> oooo that sounded formal lo
[09:42] <MooDoo> czajkowski: up since 4 so tired, but ok :) you?
[09:43] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:43] <MooDoo> brobostigon: hullo
[09:43] <czajkowski> not bad looking out at the rain and wondering how I'm gonna pop out for a dog walk
[09:43] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:44] <MooDoo> czajkowski: wrap up warm with a cag on :)
[09:44] <MooDoo> brobostigon: how are you?
[09:45] <brobostigon> MooDoo: not bad, and you?
[09:45] <MooDoo> brobostigon: tired, but ok :D
[09:46]  * brobostigon gets MooDoo more coffee :)
[09:52] <DJones> Is it right that Ubuntu (from the phones perspective) is "Deep down, Ubuntu is based on Android, but Canonical has spent the last year replacing Android's innards with its own technology"
[09:53] <MooDoo> Thought ubuntu touch was ubuntu to be honest
[09:55] <DJones> So did I
[09:56] <DJones> Thats a comment in a review on cnet.com
[09:56] <popey> yeah, i saw that too
[09:56] <popey> i think that's a reporter paraphrasing
[09:57] <popey> "deep down" (meaning kernel) "is based on Android" (AOSP)
[09:57] <popey> which is true.
[09:58] <DJones> I think they'd have been better describing it the reverse way though, deep down, android and ubuntu are based on linux
[09:59] <ali1234> that's pretty much backwards
[09:59] <ali1234> that's what reporters do
[09:59] <ali1234> that's not really true at all
[09:59] <ali1234> which part of AOSP is it based on?
[09:59] <BigRedS> I thought Ubuntu Touch was essentially Android with Canonical's own display bits and bobs
[09:59] <DJones> Was just trying to get an idea of what the hardware specs for the Ubuntu phones will be & how they'll compare to the Galaxy S5/Nexus 5
[09:59] <popey> BigRedS: define android
[09:59] <ali1234> that also isn't true. ubuntu and android are two things you can run on linux that have almost nothing at all in common beyond that
[10:00] <popey> BigRedS: for many "android" means the android bsp plus dalvik/dart plus a load of classes
[10:00] <popey> we don't ship the vast majority of that
[10:00] <ali1234> android is surface flinger, dalvik, rild, and google's proprietary apps
[10:00] <popey> and of that list we use rild
[10:00] <BigRedS> ah right
[10:00] <foobarry> i never tried the android multi window, is it available?
[10:01] <ali1234> most people have no idea what rild even is
[10:02] <foobarry> i.e. me
[10:02] <ali1234> rild is a system service that provides an abstraction of the phone hardware
[10:02] <BigRedS> as in the hardware of the system, or just the GSMy bits?
[10:02] <ali1234> the GSMy bits
[10:03] <ali1234> not that any phone uses GSM these days
[10:03] <ali1234> 3 will shut down your account if your phone can't do 3G
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> Radio Interface L.... Daemon?
[10:03] <foobarry> ?
[10:04] <BigRedS> surely 3G coverage isn't good enough to do that?
[10:04] <ali1234> GSM = 1G devices that could only do internet at 9600 bps using accoustic modulation and 2G GPRS devices
[10:05] <ali1234> BigRedS: 3 has no 2G network, they have to pay other companies if you use 2G on your 3 account
[10:06] <BigRedS> Ah, so it's just/mostly 3 doing that?
[10:06] <ali1234> so if your phone *only* does 2G you are never actually using their network, and costing them loads of money
[10:06] <ali1234> afaik, yes
[10:06] <BigRedS> ah, that sounds more reasonable :)
[10:07] <dwatkins_> is 4G available in many places [in the UK] yet?
[10:07] <ali1234> yes, if you live in london
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> or birmingham, liverpool, manchester, bristol/cardiff
[10:08] <dwatkins_> I know someone in Reading who insists he's on 5G, I'm not sure that's even been developed yet.
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins_: "Well MY dad is on 6G!"
[10:09] <ali1234> if you live in manchester don't expect it to work more than half a mile outside the city centre
[10:09] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: well quite :)
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I live on the 7th floor, I get 1 bar of 4G from a transmitter ~15km away. And it doesn't handoff to 2G properly when there's a call (because it expects the 2G base station to be nearer to it, or something) :|
[10:12] <ali1234> well the answer is clear
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: wait another month for the network to be extended?
[10:12] <dwatkins> I used to live amongst many many stone buildings, I had to get a microcell to be able to consistently use my mobile (on Vodafone at the time)
[10:12] <ali1234> no i was going to say get a phone that doesn't do 4G since they're a waste of money anyway
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: but this phone is only 4 months old, it's a nexus 5
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: which is *cheap* by 4G phone standards, too
[10:18] <dwatkins> I can stream radio stations on my 3G phone, I don't need anything faster than that
[10:18]  * dwatkins is aware he sounds like a grumpy old man
[10:19] <ali1234> that's ridiculous. buy a radio
[10:19] <dwatkins> the stuff I like to listen to isn't available via DAB
[10:19] <foobarry> yesterday i got to work and the pillow crease was still on my face. i am old
[10:20] <foobarry> as a young man that disappeared in minutes
[10:30] <popey> http://www.spritzinc.com/ thats interesting
[10:37] <foobarry> adding dedrm to calibre on linux is a massive pain if your books are not on a real life kindle
[10:37] <foobarry> the kindle for pc route is fraight with problems
[10:38] <foobarry> dunno why there isn't an easier way than wine yet
[10:45] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:45] <MooDoo> moring davmor2
[10:45] <MooDoo> you little boat you ;) lol
[10:48] <davmor2> MooDoo: What?
[10:48] <MooDoo> davmor2: I said moring instead of morning.
[10:49] <MooDoo> i'm in a bad mood, so doing what little i can to cheer myself up
[10:49] <davmor2> ah
[10:49] <davmor2> MooDoo: ah allow me to slap you out of it.
[10:49] <diddledan> I accidentally bought a load of pibits
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: piwhats?
[10:49] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes by all means do so
[10:49] <diddledan> bits
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: yes but what are they?
[10:50] <MooDoo> https://github.com/richardghirst/PiBits
[10:51] <MooDoo> lol or just bits of addons for the raspberry pi
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: you don't *buy* lots of copies of a github project usually, do you? ;)
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> clone them, sure
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> but buying?
[10:52] <diddledan> besides the adafruit gps module I already got, I took delivery this morning of 2x4GB SD cards, 2xAdafruit Pi T-Cobblers, 2xRPis a USB-to-ttl cable, a breadboard wire pack and 2x3xbreadboards (1x half-sized, and 1x quarter-sized)
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: cool :)
[10:55] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: yes but I just googled and put in the first link I found, bit hasty in hind sight lol
[10:59] <diddledan> I guess I need to brush-up on my soldering skillz
[11:07] <foobarry> hmm. iscsi on a 10GB nic. hdparm speeds of a vm are 250MB/sec. add another 10GB nic to the mix...new hdparm 180MB/s
[11:09] <foobarry> ah. one vmk had 1500 mtu. fix that and now 230MB/s
[11:12] <foobarry> tbh i would expect nearer 1GB/s
[11:16] <daftykins> foobarry: modifying the MTU to what?
[11:16] <foobarry> 9000
[11:17] <daftykins> would the adapter/OS not be bright enough to auto switch to jumbo frames or the like?
[11:17] <foobarry> not on vsphere you need to set it .
[11:18] <daftykins> ah
[11:18] <daftykins> heh, i was xbox gaming with friends as usual last night, but one had moved house up in England (Uni student) but he was getting NAT issues
[11:19] <daftykins> UPnP was on, so that didn't make any sense - ending up spotting this little Linksys had firmware from ~2006 whereas the latest available was from 2013 :D
[11:19] <daftykins> i was on his machine over teamviewer then just updated the firmware - found it odd i could see the entire progress bar go whilst still connected
[11:20] <daftykins> he rejoined and everything worked :D
[11:23] <foobarry> had similar experience when i moved into house
[11:23] <foobarry> previous owner said broadband was flaky
[11:23] <davmor2> MooDoo: if it helps https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos?pid=5981724436439944274&oid=104244164525559506101
[11:23] <foobarry> left the adsl modem/router behind
[11:23] <foobarry> he was right, but updated the firmware and it fixed the prob
[11:23] <daftykins> hehe
[11:26] <daftykins> it's great when things are that straightforward
[11:28] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's black dude
[11:28] <davmor2> MooDoo: it should be some seals oinking
[11:29] <MooDoo> lol no I can't see it chap, but it made me smile any way :D
[11:31] <daftykins> maybe they're black seals in the dark of a moonless night
[11:45] <MooDoo> it made me smile :D
[11:46] <MooDoo> davmor2: like it :D
[12:16] <daftykins> is it odd that with a friends university's redhat server he's being advised to run 'sudo su' to switch to root 0o
[12:16] <davmor2> Last night we did some shoping at sainsbury's and I clock and 80's anthems 5cd set in the bargain bin.  You know it's a good selection when it start with "It takes Two" and cd 5 starts with "Relax" :)
[12:17] <MooDoo> daftykins: seems legit, he might be logged in as a non root user and they use sudo to allow students to go to root
[12:18] <Laney> sudo -i
[12:19] <daftykins> MooDoo: yep but sudo su is bad practice in ubuntu land
[12:19] <daftykins> Laney: yeah -s and -i can't be used as his user has no rights to execute /bin/bash apparently
[12:20] <MooDoo> daftykins: ubuntu != redhat :p
[12:22] <daftykins> yeah i know
[12:22] <daftykins> this is why i'm asking
[12:22] <foobarry> sudo su - is equivalent to sudo -i more or less tho
[12:22] <MooDoo> sorry I'm just being awkward :)
[12:25]  * daftykins chases MooDoo with a holepunch
[12:26] <MooDoo> no no giggle giggle ;)
[12:28] <MooDoo> ok I didn't say that
[12:30] <davmor2> MooDoo: it's a matter of public record that you did say it :P
[12:30] <daftykins> XD
[12:30] <daftykins> the record now shows MooDoo went into schoolgirl mode for a moment
[12:31] <MooDoo> blush
[12:33] <davmor2> daftykins: that god you added mode to that sentence I was two 9's into calling the police ;)
[12:33] <MooDoo> davmor2: behave sir!
[12:34] <daftykins> davmor2: who are you, diddledan!?
[12:34] <diddledan> o_O
[12:35] <daftykins> :D
[12:42] <davmor2> http://vimeo.com/58200103 this just put a smile on my face so I though I would share it :)
[12:45] <daftykins> :D
[12:48] <davmor2> and these guys really rock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS826PwLHdQ&list=RDr7WEIbj93uY
[12:49] <MooDoo> the piano guys are good as well
[12:50] <daftykins> i always enjoy the floppy disk based ones
[12:50] <daftykins> well, drive
[13:01] <davmor2> bigcalm: see if this would meet with your high standards of compilation picking http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Ultimate-Collection-80s-Anthems/dp/B00E7TP36G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393333193&sr=8-1&keywords=80%27s+anthems
[13:03] <awilkins> I found sudo for each command very useful when I had to pin down what a sysadmin had done to mess up my dev infrastructure box
[13:04] <awilkins> Because it logs them all
[13:52] <daftykins> awilkins: what did it highlight?
[13:53] <davmor2> daftykins: which dev does what, with what command and when
[13:53] <awilkins> daftykins, I don't recall exactly but I found some file system commands about where certain symlinks had been placed I think
[13:53] <awilkins> Doing manual installs of packaged things, tch.
[13:54] <daftykins> ;/
[14:47] <davmor2> Tank, Fly, Boss walk, Jam nitty gritty
[14:47] <foobarry> stab
[14:48] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: You're listening to the boy from the big bad city?
[14:49] <MooDoo> davmor2: I was born in a town in the great uk, from a baby to a boy to a man today!
[14:49] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: and it's Jam hot
[14:50] <davmor2> foobarry: why no love?  Shame on you ;)
[14:51] <MooDoo> davmor2: what's love?
[14:51] <MooDoo> oh come on guys, i gave you a bone then
[14:51] <davmor2> MooDoo: got to do with it
[14:51] <MooDoo> davmor2: no slap!
[14:52] <MooDoo> davmor2: baby don't hurt me don't hurt me no more lol
[14:57] <MooDoo> ooo am I feeling brave and upgrade my LTS server to trusy?
[14:57] <foobarry> no
[14:57] <MooDoo> lol laptop was fine ;)
[14:59] <davmor2> MooDoo: you're a madman I tell you MAD!!!!
[15:00] <MooDoo> davmor2: what till 4pm, I'm going to try and register the domain im2.sexy so I can have subdomains called myshirt and milan ;) lol ha ha ha ha ha
[15:00] <davmor2> MooDoo, MartijnVdS: "Heart" and I'll give you a clue of hairdresser gang :D
[15:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: WTF!
[15:04] <davmor2> MooDoo: Died in your arms tonight by the cutting crew.  Song starts "Heart!" then bursts into Could of died in your arms tonight :)
[15:05] <foobarry> davmor2 = cheesemonger
[15:05] <MooDoo> davmor2: I was looking at the Heart discography lo9l
[15:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: I like your right said idea.  But I think you need to add it hurts
[15:11] <davmor2> MooDoo: Arua-bori-alis come in view-e-eww
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> aurora*
[15:12] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: ta it didn't look right but it sounded right :)
[15:13] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I bet you know the song too :)
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: you ran so far away? :)
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> (thank you, Vice City soundtrack)
[15:15] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I ran flock of seagulls :)
[15:16] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I'm just grabbing lines from the songs on this 80's Anthems bargain bin 5 cd collection that I got I'm loving it :)
[15:17] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: 8-)
[15:19] <MooDoo> davmor2: best of the 80's I got the other day :D
[15:20] <davmor2> MartijnVdS, MooDoo: http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Ultimate-Collection-80s-Anthems/dp/B00E7TP36G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393333193&sr=8-1&keywords=80%27s+anthems but I got it at 4.99 from the local supermarket :)  I can't fault the music :)
[15:20] <foobarry> how do i work out theoetical performance of a 2tb lun on a 24 disk RAID6 array 10k disks?
[15:20] <davmor2> foobarry: pen paper and a lot of math?
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: have you seen my "So 80s it hurts" Spotify playlist? ;)
[15:21] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I spent a day listening to it and other than the odd foreign track that made no sense to me it was pretty cool :)
[15:25] <MooDoo> who was asking about ubuntu on the phones earlier?
[15:26] <MooDoo> well whoever it was check this - http://mhall119.com/2014/02/there-is-no-touch-only-ubuntu/
[15:28] <DJones> MooDoo: Probably me
[15:30] <foobarry> is there a ubuntu package that rolls up most developer tools? g++ gcc make etc
[15:30] <foobarry> build-*
[15:30] <foobarry> ?
[15:31] <shauno> build-essential is usually a good start
[15:31] <foobarry> thats the one ta
[15:32] <ali1234> i just do apt-get build-dep
[15:32] <MartijnVdS> I just have pbuilder ;)
[15:32] <foobarry> anyone used iometer?
[15:32] <ali1234> yeah i don't really like waiting half an hour to build every tiny program
[15:35] <diddledan> foobarry, build-essential
[15:35] <diddledan> aah shauno beat me
[15:35] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: beatings are against the CoC
[15:35] <diddledan> shauno, that isn't an order!
[15:37] <shauno> :(
[15:37] <diddledan> right, so midday sunday. through to nowish. I've only been awake 50hours
[16:36] <popey> http://sarvagyavaish.github.io/FlappyBirdRL/
[17:31] <diddledan> wow, it's time to stop working already
[17:31] <daftykins> 30 minutes past!
[17:31] <daftykins> diddledan: so you really worked today!?
[17:31] <diddledan> of course
[17:33] <diddledan> I might have investigated my pibits too, but that's by-the-by :P
[17:42] <mapps> good evening
[17:44] <daftykins> heya
[17:48] <mapps> sup
[17:54] <daftykins> not much here mapps, quiet one today
[17:54] <daftykins> yourself?
[17:54] <mapps> just going to continue to look at mod_geoip got it working but its giving my ips country code as EU
[18:02] <daftykins> hrmm
[18:04] <mapps> odd eh
[18:04] <mapps> can u try it for me?
[18:05] <mapps> oh strange
[18:05] <mapps> now it says GB
[18:05] <mapps> http://94.193.78.219/eetest/test.php
[18:05] <mapps> Country Code: GB
[18:05] <mapps> Country Code 3:
[18:05] <mapps> Country Name: United Kingdom
[18:05] <daftykins> GG :)
[18:05] <bigcalm> You need to tidy up your array indexes ;)
[18:05] <mapps> ya
[18:06] <mapps> those array keys dont exist hey..il remove them
[18:06] <mapps> this was a test:P
[18:06] <mapps> so i can use mod_geoip to redirect/restrict access based on country code using RewriteEngine
[18:06] <mapps> :D
[18:06] <bigcalm> Great success
[18:06] <mapps> no real need for it mind:P
[18:08] <DJones> ooh, nice, Amazon have brought back the laptop I was originally thinking of getting and its £200 cheaper than the model with 16Gb memory and an 8gb ssd
[18:09] <mapps> nice what cpu?
[18:09] <DJones> mapps: i7-4700MQ, 1TB hdd, 8GB ram
[18:10] <DJones> 1920x1080 display
[18:10] <DJones> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-Y510p-15-6-inch-Notebook-Processor/dp/B00FSBFBD2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393351633&sr=8-1&keywords=y510p
[18:10] <mapps> nice  ive got an i5 8gb ram
[18:10] <mapps> tought you said 16gb ram
[18:10] <mapps> ooh lenovo never had a lenovo laptop
[18:10] <guinness6554> Hi. I am trying to port the ubuntu touch for nexus 5.  I know that there are people who already dealing with I just wanna do it 4 fun and I am a bit stacked. Is there anybody who could help me a bit?
[18:11] <DJones> Can get it with 16Gb with 8GB ssd as well as the 1TB hdd, but don't see the point of that ssd
[18:11] <mapps> whats the problem guinness6554  - i was thinking about trying it with my nexus7 today as it happens
[18:11] <DJones> guinness6554: Probably a good place to ask that would be in #ubuntu-touch I think most of the people with experience will be in that channel
[18:12] <guinness6554> thanks
[18:12] <DJones> mapps: Just adding the extra 8gb ram + small ssd adds £200 to the price
[18:12] <mapps> ahh
[18:14] <DJones> What would be the point of such a small SSD
[18:15] <DJones> INfo just says Up to 24GB of SSD cache, is there any benefit to having that
[18:16] <bigcalm> OS in the SSD?
[18:16] <bigcalm> Data in the HDD?
[18:16] <daftykins> DJones: they're operated by intel chipsets under Windows as transparent cache drives
[18:17] <daftykins> so the OS only sees the mechanical volume, but has its' IO intelligently cached
[18:17] <DJones> daftykins: Thanks, so not actually usable for storage/install
[18:17] <daftykins> oh they definitely can be
[18:17] <daftykins> given the small footprint of Linux distros most people just shoehorn them onto there then symlink other things off to the mechanical to save space
[18:18] <DJones> For dual boot, do you think it would make any significant difference though
[18:18] <daftykins> although actually it tends to depend, basically advertising the 8GB is a hallmark (often) of manufacturers trying to show off meeting the intel ultrabook specification
[18:18] <daftykins> lately i've been seeing systems which are actually SSHD's - solid state hybrid drives
[18:19] <daftykins> so they have the 8+GB NAND built-in and handle the cache internally, transparent to the OS
[18:19] <DJones> Day to day ue will just be Office apps, accounts package, email, web etc on windows, evening would be Ubuntu with games etc
[18:19] <DJones> s/ue/use/
[18:19] <daftykins> umm dualboot? depends how you'd partition i guess
[18:19] <daftykins> and whether it's one of the disks i mention
[18:19] <daftykins> lets see if i can remember which it is
[18:20] <DJones> daftykins: This is the machine with the 8gb ssd http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-Y510p-15-6-inch-Notebook-Processor/dp/B00FSBFBD2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393351633&sr=8-1&keywords=y510p
[18:21] <daftykins> mmm, lots of different configurations possible so can't really nail down the exact drive spec
[18:23] <DJones> I think you're probably right about the drive being a hybred drive though, although the SSD could be fitted instead of the DVD drive
[18:24] <daftykins> yeah i see there's a notebookreview.com thread talking about that model
[18:24] <daftykins> DJones: http://hdd.userbenchmark.com/Seagate-Laptop-Thin-SSHD-500GB/Rating/1803&tab=Benchmarks
[18:25] <daftykins> weird i can't find an english product info page at seagate
[18:26] <directhex> sshd is all the rage
[18:26] <directhex> all steamos boxes seem to use them
[18:26] <daftykins> cheapest implementation i guess
[18:28] <directhex> only usable implementation
[18:28] <directhex> there's a WD sshd which is implemented by baboons
[18:28] <DJones> Ahh
[18:28] <DJones> The Y510P is equipped with a 1 TB HDD along with a 24 GB SSD. The small SSD houses the operating system allowing for overall faster performance and quicker boot-up speeds. Unfortunately with such a small SSD users won’t be able to experience the same performance and load times for most programs, but the 1TB HDD offers plenty of memory for games, media and additional programs
[18:28] <daftykins> yeah i saw that one :)
[18:28] <daftykins> nasty driver
[18:29] <daftykins> DJones: hrmm i don't think i believe that!
[18:29] <directhex> DJones, msata!
[18:31] <DJones> The £800 version still looks a good buy
[18:31] <daftykins> some comments say that model has M.2
[19:03] <mapps> does anyone know if its possible to make openvpn also use an http proxy ..i dont want to connect to openvpn through a proxy but i want it to use a proxy for web
[19:03] <mapps> if that makes sense
[19:34] <neuro> mapps: openvpn isn't a proxy
[19:59] <kvarley> I'm being a bit of a noob. I've restricted access to ssh via sshd_config for the "minions" group but I now can't login myself via SSH. I used to previously key login. Is it possible to have key login working for all users and to restrict users of the "minions" group but not for me?
[20:02] <czajkowski> AlanBell: care to try and win $1000 https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/438385789404467200  runs on Ubuntu :)
[20:05] <davmor2> czajkowski: hello muppet
[20:06] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Startrekkin' across the universe......
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: The Firm?
[20:06] <czajkowski> davmor2: hello sunshine
[20:07] <davmor2> czajkowski: Ow's life treating you
[20:07] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: yeap
[20:09] <czajkowski> davmor2: not bad thanks
[20:09] <czajkowski> busy week and prepping for march madness and a trip to NYC
[20:09] <czajkowski> davmor2: you wer ebusy last week good sprint?
[20:10] <davmor2> czajkowski: hectic not sure about goos
[20:10] <davmor2> good even
[20:11] <davmor2> czajkowski: it was good to meet up with the team and get some feedback
[20:13] <mapps> ya i know neuro
[20:13] <mapps> but i wantd to make wbe traffic use a proxy make sense?
[20:14] <czajkowski> davmor2: and still work at the same pace :p
[20:17] <davmor2> czajkowski: What you mean home yes :P
[20:23] <moreati> davmor2: I've got Star Trekin' stuck in mind head now, damn you
[20:23] <davmor2> moreati: you're welcome
[20:26] <mapps> whenever i see these er abroad/benidorm er - it's always horrid chav women and men
[20:26] <mapps> anyone here been to Benidorm or any of these other popular places? if it's lkike the impression i get i dont ever want to go!
[20:29] <jussi> what the heck is benidorm ?
[20:29] <mapps> some place in spain that seems to be super popular with brits
[20:29] <jussi> oh, like ibiza?
[20:29] <mapps> everytme i see it on tv it's just fat old men and women lounging about drinking
[20:30] <mapps> hmm kinda..but cheaper..Ibiza is like 10euros a drink this is like 1 euro kinda
[20:30] <jussi> yeah, those tourist places are the pits...
[20:30] <mapps> yea
[20:30] <mapps> like they only go to sit in the sun all day and drink drink drink..
[20:30] <mapps> Prague is touristy..but not to the same extent?
[20:30] <mapps> its not just sun and drinking and slobs everywhere
[20:42] <shauno> gotta admit, I don't like finding brits on holiday :/  there was a stag party staying at the same hotel last time I travelled.  lovely.
[20:43] <jussi> My ideal holiday doesnt include a lot of people
[20:43] <mapps> heh
[20:43] <jussi> last year was awesome. we took a boat and explored some of the finnish lakeland
[20:44] <mapps> nice
[20:44] <mapps> Id like to go somewhere like easter island
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> during christmas
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> and then send "Happy Easter" cards to your family back home
[20:46] <jussi> yeah, that would be interesting
[20:46] <mapps> :)
[20:47] <jussi> Id like to go to one of those little islands off africa that have only the basic accomodation, no electricity, no running water, just silence. and nature.
[20:47] <mapps> yea ive looked on wiki at some places with like 50 people
[20:47] <mapps> jussi,  what's the average persons english like in Finland? good i guess|?
[20:48] <jussi> mapps: the younger generation excellent. older people, not so much
[20:48] <jussi> the finnish lakelands are really nice
[20:48] <mapps> like a lot of european places..when you say older like 50+?
[20:48] <jussi> 40+
[20:49] <mapps> id like to go to Slovakia too
[20:49] <mapps> and Budapest
[20:51] <jussi> Ive been to budapest
[20:52] <mapps> enjoyed it|
[20:52] <mapps> ?
[20:54] <shauno> budapest was neat, but way too hot.  their money boggles my mind though
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> I've been to Prague, hated it.
[20:55] <shauno> really?
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> shauno: nobody speaks a language I understand, buildings are all black from years of neglect
[20:55] <mapps> he missed the redlight too much
[20:55] <mapps> :D
[20:56] <mapps> hmm
[20:56] <mapps> i didnt see all these black buildings
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> shauno: shady crap salesmen *everywhere*, even worse than Rome
[20:56] <mapps> and i agree with the 'nobody speaks alanguage' --- the english over there is VERY VERY poor
[20:56] <mapps> even the younger generation..my friend lives in Nymburk 1hr from Prague and we met up with him and his friends (19-mid 20s) and most of them barely understood me
[20:57] <shauno> I've not had a problem with the language so much
[20:57] <mapps> the Dutch folk understood everything I said :)
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> mapps: maybe they just went "Didn't understand a word. Better put more beer in him."
[20:57] <shauno> but yeah, 'dodgy crap salesmen' are getting worse, everywhere
[20:58] <mapps> lol
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> haven't seen them in Amsterdam yet :)
[20:58] <mapps> na it was his friends they basically just understood a little
[20:58] <mapps> MartijnVdS,  i have!
[20:58] <shauno> I had someone in bratislava trying to sell me wooden giraffes at christmas.  unfortunately I was quite tipsy and may have laughed quite loudly
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> mapps: the shady guys who sell sunglasses/fake rolexes/etc.?
[20:58] <mapps> black guy walking around the sports cafe trying to sell drugs lol
[20:58] <mapps> ooh no
[20:58] <mapps> and romanians offering people drugs at night
[20:58] <mapps> but not fake rolexes etc
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> the only time I've ever been offered drugs was in Berlin 8-)
[20:59] <shauno> last time I noticed them, handbags was the big thing
[20:59] <mapps> had the same in Prague -- walking back at 4am some guy bugging me to buy coke..first off a) i dont want it secondly b) it's clearly not even drugs
[21:01] <shauno> only time I really noticed drugs is when I went on a wander with a friend from the states.  he looks .. well, like a sociology student
[21:01] <shauno> we got approached *everywhere*
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> "looks like a sociology student"?
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> do those look any different from other people/
[21:03] <shauno> yes
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> .. how?
[21:04] <shauno> when he left for college he looked like a choirboy.  by time he got here, he had dreads
[21:04] <shauno> which just look messy when you're naturally blonde
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> ah yes, the dreads
[21:08] <shauno> it was interesting though, going to the same places as two lads instead of a 'young couple', and coming away with a completely different view on the place
[21:17] <directhex> i've only been offered sex once when strolling through town. admittedly it was the red light district in hamburg
[21:17] <mapps> there were some nice girls in redlight in Holland
[21:17] <shauno> heh, we found that in barcelona too
[21:17] <mapps> none are locals tho
[21:24] <directhex> hamburg is the only city i've been to that sells souvenir tat at the airport for the red light district
[21:29] <shauno> I think eventually I have to get a drivers' licence.  staying in a different city each time is getting a bit blah
[21:39] <ilinux> Hi
[21:40] <shauno> evening
[22:20] <brobostigon> if anyone is watching QI, you might notice stephen fry has a pebble smartwatch,
[22:21] <daftykins> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqKJgrKfCfg - rather nice tune if anyone has the time
[22:31] <ilinux> hi
[22:31] <daftykins> hi
[22:36] <ilinux> daftykins: Hi, testing weechat so popping in/out
[22:37] <daftykins> d'aww, couldn't you restrict it to one channel :P
[22:37] <daftykins> if testing
[22:39] <ilinux> daftykins: just want to see how easy it is to alt between servers and chatrooms.
[22:40] <shauno> that shouldn't involve cycling?
[22:41]  * daftykins cycles around the channel
[22:41] <shauno> for some reason, I pictuer a unicycle
[22:43] <daftykins> i was thinking that!
[22:46] <shauno> and the tune was very kate bush.  I get a few of you confused, and kept expecting it to errupt into dubstep
[22:48] <daftykins> oh lawd i can't stand that noise
[22:48] <ilinux> shauno: shouldn't that be a unixcycle?
[22:48] <daftykins> oh dear.
[22:48] <shauno> nope.  gnu's not unixcycle
[22:51] <ilinux> that'd be a gnunicycle surely
[22:51] <shauno> not sure I'd trust a gnu unicycle.  it'd be 25 years before it can stand on its own
[23:08] <ilinux> lol
[23:09] <ilinux> not if it had any gnew sense
[23:56] <maps|wrk> hai
[23:56] <maps|wrk> :)