/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/02/25/#ubuntu-us-mi.txt

cmaloneyevening00:38
rick_h_party00:38
brouschMy ball is 20% pumped up13:03
rick_h_lol13:08
rick_h_morning and welcome to the bookie flood of 201413:08
rick_h_brousch: good call on the windows note. We've got our first windows user who's actually managed to get it installed and compiled enough stuff to get that far :/13:09
brouschhehe13:11
brouschHappens in #kivy a lot. Actually OSX may be more problematic there13:11
mrgoodcatwaf: yes i do run a chromebook. why did that come up?14:46
rick_h_mrgoodcat: gamerchick had a question about installing on it14:46
rick_h_mrgoodcat: she's not around atm, but was curious and we were trying to find her chromebook folks to chat to14:46
mrgoodcatdid it get resolved or does she still need help?14:46
rick_h_I think the question is still out, if you see her hop in sometime I'm sure she'd appreciate some info14:46
mrgoodcati have irssinotifier so just mention my nick and i'll get on if i can14:48
rick_h_no problem or hurry. We can point her that maybe an email would make sense or what not14:48
mrgoodcattell her to email the mailing list14:50
rick_h_will do14:51
rick_h_thanks14:51
jrwrenoh no! https://www.trustedsec.com/february-2014/python-remote-code-execution-socket-recvfrom_into/14:53
rick_h_interesting14:54
brouschChromebook r0x14:54
mrgoodcatbrousch: agreed14:54
brouschI've almost convinced myself to get a pixel15:01
mrgoodcatdon't15:02
mrgoodcatnot worth it15:02
cmaloneybrousch: Interesting that you've convinced yourself to spend $1500 on a laptop.15:02
mrgoodcatjust get the 4GB C72015:03
cmaloneyIsn't that the first one to be discontinued?15:04
mrgoodcatwhat? the c720? i just got one15:04
brouschcmaloney: Nah, can get them used for like $90015:04
brouschmrgoodcat: But the screen on the pixel is so much better. I have a 4GB C720 for my son15:05
brouschNo, C720 is discontinued in 201715:05
cmaloneymrgoodcat: Ah, it's slated to be EOL November 2017.15:05
mrgoodcatthe screen is better but i don't know if I could justify even 800$ for that15:06
rick_h_woot screens!15:06
rick_h_says the man that spent a pixel on just a screen :/15:06
brousch1366x768 is a far cry from 2,560x1,60015:08
mrgoodcati could see getting a nice 4K monitor or something like that. but for a laptop i'm not sure its worth it15:08
rick_h_using this air I want a 13" retina now. The same res as my 12.5" and it's nicer, but I really want more.15:08
brouschI cannot go back to low res tablets because I have such nice ones15:09
rick_h_yep15:09
rick_h_it's the new cable modem15:09
rick_h_once you get a real taste it's hard to go back to low res devices15:09
brouschrick_h_: Pixel has retina-like resolution, and 4:315:09
rick_h_yea, I'm all for the pixel. It's been tempting on multiple occassions15:09
rick_h_but I've got a 512gb ssd in here ...15:10
brouschYou use a lot of virtual machines15:12
brousch4GB would kill you15:12
cmaloneyhttp://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2014/02/schadenfreude-1.html15:14
rick_h_jrwren: https://plus.google.com/103784974947002542224/posts/9WP6TLPUzws15:47
_stink_rick_h_: holy crap how you are going to handle all that new blood15:59
_stink_i would rip out my hair15:59
rick_h__stink_: it won't last. We're only going to have 2 slots15:59
_stink_who picks?15:59
_stink_you?15:59
rick_h_yea, they submit an application and I pick two students to mentor for projects they pitch in their apps15:59
_stink_so they're just trying to kiss your ass for now?15:59
rick_h_they're supposed to get to know orgs and look into the projects, how they work, etc until the 10th of march16:00
rick_h_which yea, seems to be just that :/16:00
rick_h_and then they have from the 10th to 21st to submit apps16:00
_stink_interesting16:00
_stink_good luck to you16:00
rick_h_no kidding16:00
brouschrick_h_: PEP8 check their projects on github :D16:04
jrwrenrick_h_: this post could not be found16:32
rick_h_jrwren: oh hmm16:33
rick_h_oh, not publicly shared16:33
rick_h_https://plus.google.com/+ChristianHeimes/posts/Z62EBkMsn4n jrwren16:34
jrwrenrick_h_: thanks.16:34
jrwrenits cool that 3.3.4 is fixed, but 2.7.x is the important fix16:35
rick_h_right16:35
rick_h_and ubuntu/debian getting updated builds out to everyone16:35
jrwrenyay16:36
jrwreni saw the psql fix come in last night16:36
rick_h_hmm, not sold that this is a better solution for my future F254016:45
rick_h_http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/ford-drops-microsoft-will-use-blackberrys-realtime-os-for-next-sync/16:45
rick_h_f250 bah16:45
dzhoQNX16:46
rick_h_yea, the title of trading MS for BB makes one wince though lol16:47
rick_h_I suppose qnx will survive in some way regardless of BB16:47
cmaloneyrick_h_: Well, you're already using QNX in your VW.16:50
rick_h_cmaloney: doh! I'm doomed16:50
rick_h_and already don't believe it'll last 10 years16:50
cmaloneyQNX is not all that bad.16:50
rick_h_no, just more that it's owned by a sinking ship16:51
cmaloneyplease.16:51
cmaloneyNokia is busily shooting holes in its boat and it's not in any worse shape.16:51
rick_h_lol16:51
rick_h_come on, you're not rushing out for the nokia android phone?16:51
cmaloneyHave you learned nothing from SCO?16:51
cmaloneycompanies don't die, they just sell off their relavent assets to holding companies16:52
cmaloneyHonestly if you ever want immortality, show up on a corporate balance sheet.16:52
dzhoohhhhhhh16:52
dzhoso that's what David Bowie's game is16:52
cmaloneyit's fitting that Nitzer Ebb's "Join in the Chant" just came on the Squeezebox.16:53
jrwrenrick_h_: from subaru to F250?16:53
jrwrenGUNS GOLD FIRE16:54
cmaloneyyeah, I didn't realize that the F250 was even in the running of RickRide++16:54
rick_h_jrwren: heh16:54
cmaloneyOr is that RickRoll++ ? :)16:54
rick_h_well the goal is to get the wife a new car in a couple of years that's the 'family' ride and shared16:54
rick_h_auto adjusting memory seats and the like16:55
rick_h_good gas milage, the commuter16:55
rick_h_and the 250 for towing the airstream, sits parked most of the time, emergency second vehicle16:55
rick_h_so we've still got the outback, it's the wife's car16:56
rick_h_and her new one might be another outback, she's loving it16:56
rick_h_but going to need more truck to get my airsteam16:57
jrwren13mpg pulling or not :)16:57
rick_h_yep :/16:57
cmaloneyAnd sounds like a meat grinder while idling.16:58
jrwrenonly if its diesel16:58
rick_h_naw, they're getting better at that16:59
rick_h_oh it'll be the big D, not going back after having this TDI16:59
jrwrenVW TDI != Ford Deisel16:59
jrwrenvery different engines16:59
cmaloneyYeah, I have to agree w/ jrwren16:59
rick_h_yea17:00
cmaloneyknowing rick_h_'s luck the year he goes out to buy the F250 Diesel will be the year they discontinue it17:01
rick_h_lol17:01
cmaloneyand you'll only be able to get the boneshaker F350l17:01
rick_h_my uncle has the full 8' 25017:01
cmaloneyF350 rather17:01
rick_h_err 35017:02
rick_h_yea, 4 door 8' bed, tank17:02
dzhorick_h_: remind me, which TDI do you have?17:02
jrwrenwho makes the engines for ford? Ford? or is it Detroit Diesel? or Cummins?17:02
rick_h_dzho: touareg17:02
dzhoah17:02
dzhomy 2000 Golf is starting to rust out :(17:02
cmaloneyI want to say it's Cummins17:02
cmaloneybut not 100% sure17:02
jrwrenFord I think.17:03
jrwren"Power Stroke"17:03
cmaloneyjrwren: You're right17:03
rick_h_yea cummings is chrysler I thought17:03
cmaloneyAnd you hit the same Wikipedia page. ;)17:03
jrwrennah, I hit: http://www.ford.com/trucks/superduty/features/Feature1/17:03
cmaloneyI'm glad they buld them in house17:04
cmaloneyone thing Ford did well was engines17:04
cmaloneyTheir transmissions on the other hand...17:05
jrwrenhahaha, I was about to say the same thing17:05
cmaloneyGM eats brakes, Ford eats transmissions, and Chrysler eats dust.17:05
cmaloney(I say this as an owner of products of all three brands)17:06
jrwrenyou like your chrysler eh?17:09
jrwrenGM eats seals too17:09
jrwrenerr, GM Dexacool eats gaskets :(17:10
mrgoodcatmy chevrolet has been through 2 transmissions17:11
jrwrenbut i"m going to try to get a few more years out of my GM car anyway17:11
mrgoodcati'm on my third right now17:11
mrgoodcatstill under 200k17:11
jrwrenmrgoodcat: let me guess: Pontiac Vibe?17:11
mrgoodcatbecause chevrolet definitely makes the pontiac vibe17:11
jrwrenoh wait, chevy.17:11
jrwrenhrm...17:11
jrwreni can't guess.17:12
mrgoodcatsuburban17:12
mrgoodcat0417:12
jrwrenoh REALY!?!17:12
mrgoodcatthe transmission is a piece of shit17:12
jrwrenwhat engine?17:12
mrgoodcat5.3 v817:13
mrgoodcatwait no17:13
mrgoodcatyes17:14
mrgoodcat5.3 v817:14
jrwrenhuh, that SHOULD be solid.17:14
jrwrenweird.17:14
mrgoodcatI love driving it and it has great utility, but the transmission is a POS17:14
mrgoodcatone of my buddies that works at the GM proving grounds told me that they knew it was shitty when they sent it out17:15
jrwrenhuh, maybe I'm thinking of the trans for 5.717:15
jrwrenwell, admitedly, a lot of GM transmissions are "shitty", but they make up for it in software :p17:16
mrgoodcatthe z71 is rock solid17:16
mrgoodcatI have the z71 transmission in it now and hopefully it will last longer17:16
mrgoodcatnothing is worse than chrysler though17:19
mrgoodcatand I don't see that improving now that they're owned by Fiat which is known for shitty quality17:20
mrgoodcathttp://autos.jdpower.com/research/FIAT/500/2013/Hatchback/ratings.htm17:21
cmaloneyjrwren: Oh yeah, Dexacool is nasty stuff17:24
jrwrenmy last Chrysler was a '84 or 86 Omni. It lasted a very long time.17:24
cmaloneyYou can't kill a Dodge Omni17:24
cmaloneyThey're the roaches of automobiles.17:24
jrwrendexacool coroded my gaskets. I'm now consigned to just run with it that way.17:26
jrwreni'm gonna just keep running with it that way.17:26
jrwrenit leaks coolant like crazy. I just keep running.17:26
cmaloneyThere's some hot-choclate mess that you can put in there to thicken it17:26
jrwreni tried the rat turds. It didn't work too well17:26
cmaloneyhuh17:26
jrwrendjango -I'm getting ValidationError 'ManagementForm data is missing or has been tampered with' from django admin for 1 and only 1 record in a table. I look in chrome-devtools and TOTAL_FORMS and friends look correct, I think.17:28
jrwrenbrousch: and djangoists, plz help :_)17:28
rick_h_DELETE FROM xxx WHERE id = YY17:28
rick_h_done!17:28
rick_h_oops, need a ;17:28
jrwrenthat is last resort17:28
rick_h_with a comment in the migration script "Not compatible with Django"17:29
cmaloneyOK, I don't mean to judge or anything17:29
cmaloneybut if your wife os one year older than the number of years you've been in Congress there's something a bit fucked up about that.17:30
rick_h_lol17:30
jrwrencmaloney: i agree. if you are that powerful you should have a WAY younger wife.17:30
jrwrenwait... senator or rep? cuz rep, that is about right, but Senator - WAY more powerful, wife should never be over 30.17:30
jrwrentrade in for new model every 5-6 yrs17:31
jrwrenunless you are speaker of the house. See Newt Gingrich17:31
cmaloneyjrwren: DOes this also apply for female representatives? :)17:31
jrwrencmaloney: definitely. all 3 of them.17:32
rick_h_ok, this is funny https://plus.google.com/114546378907380458640/posts/7at4Y8KEkz617:33
cmaloneyrick_h_: That's just wrong.17:34
rick_h_"when your tv is bigger than your mode of transportation..."17:35
cmaloneyYay! I think I'm going to be sponsoring some episodes of my favorite podcast in the name of Open Metalcast. :)17:52
cmaloney(favorite podcast that I am not a part of, that is. :) )17:54
rick_h_yay17:55
brouschjrwren: I have no clue. Maybe funky characters in that record?18:03
jrwrenbrousch: we thought so too so we inspected each field and found nothing18:06
jrwreni finally sucked it up and unmounted my filesystem, ran fsck and did resize18:12
jrwren4.7T  3.4T  1.1T  76% /nomirror18:13
jrwrenstill 3.78 TiB PE free in my VG18:13
Azebanweather turned just nice so I took the office outdoors18:20
Azebanhttp://i.imgur.com/jpFd4Go.jpg18:20
jrwrenAzeban: where are you?18:22
jrwrenits snowing here18:22
Azebandubai18:23
Azebanits perfect here18:23
jrwrennice18:24
rick_h_woot, got the document camera flipped for google hangouts cmaloney18:26
rick_h_used it to kind of mock out some design ideas with another team member real quick18:27
cmaloneyrick_h_: Awesome!18:45
cmaloneyGlad it's working out so quickly. :)18:45
mrgoodcatjust installed i318:46
mrgoodcatits an adjustment to get used to...18:46
rick_h_mrgoodcat: heh, yep. Have to bug widox for the pro tips18:46
mrgoodcati'm a long way from pro tips18:46
mrgoodcati just got to opening programs18:47
rick_h_lol18:47
mrgoodcati think i'm going to like it though18:48
mrgoodcati like the quick application switching18:48
mrgoodcatI don't have a lot of screen real estate to work with18:48
rick_h_yea, I love tiling because you spend less time worrying about application layout and just do do do18:48
brouschI'm sitting on my ball18:49
mrgoodcatthe multi monitor support is nice18:49
mrgoodcatbrousch: you have a workout ball for a chair?18:49
brouschYes, just finished inflating it18:50
mrgoodcatso comfy :)18:50
mrgoodcatI used to do that18:50
brouschI used to stand, but multi monitors killed my setup there18:50
mrgoodcatbut i was getting back pains after a while and my chiropractor said it could be the ball18:50
cmaloneyYeah, I had a period of back pain as well18:51
cmaloneybut it's subsided18:51
mrgoodcatyou use ball too?18:52
cmaloneyYeah, I use the Gaiam chair18:52
cmaloney(at home)18:52
mrgoodcati'm all about the standing desk these days18:52
rick_h_yea, standing/sitting combo ftw18:52
mrgoodcatits adjustable though if i need18:52
cmaloneyUnfortunately I don't have the room for the standing desk18:52
mrgoodcatrick_h_: i'm combo as well18:53
mrgoodcatcmaloney: what do you mean? it doesn't take up that much room18:53
cmaloneymrgoodcat: I barely have enough room for the desk that I have. :)18:53
mrgoodcatbut why would standing take more room?18:54
brouschThis is plain 75" ball. Not a chair18:55
mrgoodcatbrousch: mine was plain ball too18:57
cmaloneymrgoodcat: a) I'd need somewhere to put the chair. b) Vertical room. c) Need somewhere to put the other desk that I had to have. ;)18:57
mrgoodcatoh. my desk is adjustable so i don't need to worry about the second desk18:57
cmaloneyPlus I have a slide-out desk that I use for my laptop. :)18:57
cmaloneymrgoodcat: I mean my wife would not be thrilled with me buying yet-another-desk. :)18:58
brouschI think my abs are tired already18:58
mrgoodcathaha18:59
mrgoodcati don't have wife to complain18:59
mrgoodcatwhat font should i use?19:00
mrgoodcatthe default i3 font hurts me19:01
brouschCourier19:01
mrgoodcatthats the typewriter font?19:02
brouschYes19:02
cmaloneyThis is why we never listen to brousch19:03
mrgoodcatmy chromebook doesn't have pageup/pagedown. does anybody know how to bind mod1+up/down to page?19:19
mrgoodcatusing i319:19
rick_h_mrgoodcat: try ctrl up/down arrow? or alt?19:19
rick_h_I know on some machines there's already a combo for it19:19
mrgoodcatdoesn't seem to work for me19:20
rick_h_mrgoodcat: :( not sure then19:21
mrgoodcatdamn...19:21
brouschmrgoodcat: alt+up arrow should be page up19:25
mrgoodcatthats in chromeos19:26
mrgoodcati'm in ubuntu right now19:26
brouschI don't know if I will make it 1 hour on this ball the first day. My abs are really feeling it19:35
cmaloneybrousch: You may need to work your way up to it19:35
cmaloneyI didn't do that and had some pretty fun times with my back as a result19:35
rick_h_brousch: yea, take it slow19:36
rick_h_brousch: you can hurt yourself. People that go standing cold turkey actually have done damage before :/19:37
rick_h_though I think jrwren was super hero that did full day standing when he started as well19:37
brouschI'll tough out 1 hour and work up from there19:38
cmaloneybrousch: Don't be a hero19:38
cmaloneyseriously, you can make your day miserable19:39
mrgoodcatwhen i started ball i was still in swimming19:40
mrgoodcati can't imagine starting now19:40
mrgoodcatmy poor abs19:40
brouschcmaloney: I'm no hero, I'm just a big baller.19:43
cmaloneyMakes my 52cm seem positively pedestrian. ;)19:43
cmaloneybrousch: You might have some problems with a 75cm ball actually.19:43
cmaloneyAre you slouching?19:44
brouschNo, the height is really close to what my chair was19:45
brouschOnce I've sat on it, that is19:45
cmaloneyRight, but there's also a width problem19:45
brouschWidth is fine, not hitting anything19:45
cmaloneyI mean your legs are likely pushed out further19:46
brouschThey rest comfortably on the floor19:46
brouschSize seems perfect. I'm glad I dug for this instead of settling for a 65"19:46
cmaloneybrousch: Can someone at the office take a photo of you sitting naturally on that ball?19:46
brouschSo you can post it to /r/funny?19:48
cmaloneyno...19:48
cmaloneynot right away anyway. ;)19:48
brouschHour is up, back in the chair19:48
brouschNow where do I store this thing?19:49
cmaloneybingo19:50
cmaloneyThis is why I went with the ball chair19:50
brouschI can shove it under my desk I guess19:51
mrgoodcatyou must really not have much room... am I the only one with extra space?19:52
brouschYes19:52
brouschMy space is full of servers, old computers, old printers, and me19:52
rick_h_gahhhhhhhh20:29
* rick_h_ disconnects from the internet20:29
rick_h_the freaking python gsoc channel is quiet20:30
cmaloneyYeah, they're all in #bookie20:30
greg-ghaha20:30
cmaloney;)20:30
greg-gI had to leave it20:30
greg-ggod speed good sir.20:30
rick_h_greg-g: lol20:30
brouschrick_h_: Better take a leave of absence20:31
rick_h_just have to make it to the student selctions. Then it's only two people20:32
rick_h_that I can handle20:32
rick_h_5 at once gets to be whoa20:32
cmaloneySomething tells me it'll get rel fun when the procrastinators kick in. :)20:33
greg-gyeah, one week before submissions are due you'll be doing bookie 60 hrs that week :)20:33
cmaloneyThta said there's lots of things getting fixed.20:34
greg-gwhich is great20:35
greg-gI know the first rushes can be overwhelming (it's a 3ish person full time-ish job for MediaWiki every year)20:35
greg-gbut in the end things are improved20:35
cmaloneyyep20:36
rick_h_yea, no it's exciting for sure. and I still love the idea of teaching and getting experience I only kind of got through co-op in college20:36
rick_h_there is a certain amount of timezone offset that's a bit ugh20:36
greg-gyeah, that part sucks, push em to the mailing list if you can20:37
rick_h_yea, I need to do more of that20:37
cmaloneyOr perhaps a Wiki of getting started instructions20:37
rick_h_yea, well glad I got that far right away with the pastebin. Saved me a ton of time20:39
brousch#bookie is crazy right now. I feel a little bad because I can answer so few questions20:39
rick_h_hah, it's all good. I signed up very carefully for it :)20:40
rick_h_heh, imports killing the server20:48
brouschYou wouldn't have scale problems if you'd gone with GAE20:48
rick_h_:P20:49
greg-gbrousch: :(20:49
brouschgreg-g: Bah, rick_h_ knows he is my hero20:49
rick_h_added 4k bookmarks heh20:50
rick_h_almost to 80k now20:50
brouschWhat was that landmark number you were near?20:50
brouschNumber of users maybe20:50
rick_h_yea, crossed 200 users with bookmarks20:50
rick_h_over 240 now20:50
rick_h_and 70k bookmarks was the last milestone20:50
rick_h_guess 100k will be next20:50
rick_h_and 300 users with bookmarks20:51
rick_h_https://bmark.us/dashboard20:52
brousch100k bookmarks should be a bookie party20:52
rick_h_wish I had my graphs up now20:52
greg-gbrousch++20:52
rick_h_so see the activity over the last day20:52
rick_h_brousch: sounds like a plan to me20:52
greg-gI'll be in Michigan on Friday - Tues, btw :)20:52
rick_h_greg-g: ?!20:52
rick_h_greg-g: then come over and have some wine!20:52
greg-gsister in law's wedding, staying at mother-in-law's place in Chelsea20:52
greg-gmay or may not have a vehicle of our own :/20:53
rick_h_that can be worked around20:53
greg-gI may end up just fucking renting one, I can't be dependent on MIL20:53
rick_h_we'll all crash at jcastro's place20:53
greg-gYES!20:53
rick_h_he's out that way20:53
cmaloneyI really wish Mako had an excel export20:54
greg-gI don't think he uses MS software :P20:55
brouschcmaloney: ODS or DIAF20:57
cmaloneygreg-g: har har21:00
cmaloneybrousch: I wish21:01
jrwrenapt-get install -y -f21:04
brousch'apt-get' is not recognized as an internal or external command,21:05
brouschoperable program or batch file.21:05
jrwren*gasp*21:07
cmaloneygreg-g: If we don't manage to catch up, would you duck-tape yourself to the nearest flag pole so we can keep you in Michigan?21:13
cmaloneyjust as a temporary measure until we can work out something permanent21:13
jrwrensed -i 's/local +all +all +peer/local all all trust/' pg_hba.conf21:25
jrwrendiscuss21:25
brouschCan you restate it in plain English?21:27
jrwrenreplacing postgresql peer auth with trust auth.21:27
jrwreni.e. allow any local user21:27
jrwrenbecause I trust all my local users.21:27
jrwreni'm trying to make folks cringe. did it work?21:27
brouschJust don't have any local users!21:29
jrwrenright21:34
_stink_brousch: i cannot stop laughing at21:40
_stink_"Yes sir I want to."21:40
brouschSee if I can scare this one off21:41
brouschI have a strong suspicion this one runs Windows21:42
_stink_perhaps asking that in an accusatory tone would be appropriate21:43
brouschNot really, it will pop up soon if it's the case21:44
gamerchick02i forgot how good Thai food was. i've not had in forever.23:48

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