[00:38] evening [00:38] party [13:03] My ball is 20% pumped up [13:08] lol [13:08] morning and welcome to the bookie flood of 2014 [13:09] brousch: good call on the windows note. We've got our first windows user who's actually managed to get it installed and compiled enough stuff to get that far :/ [13:11] hehe [13:11] Happens in #kivy a lot. Actually OSX may be more problematic there [14:46] waf: yes i do run a chromebook. why did that come up? [14:46] mrgoodcat: gamerchick had a question about installing on it [14:46] mrgoodcat: she's not around atm, but was curious and we were trying to find her chromebook folks to chat to [14:46] did it get resolved or does she still need help? [14:46] I think the question is still out, if you see her hop in sometime I'm sure she'd appreciate some info [14:48] i have irssinotifier so just mention my nick and i'll get on if i can [14:48] no problem or hurry. We can point her that maybe an email would make sense or what not [14:50] tell her to email the mailing list [14:51] will do [14:51] thanks [14:53] oh no! https://www.trustedsec.com/february-2014/python-remote-code-execution-socket-recvfrom_into/ [14:54] interesting [14:54] Chromebook r0x [14:54] brousch: agreed [15:01] I've almost convinced myself to get a pixel [15:02] don't [15:02] not worth it [15:02] brousch: Interesting that you've convinced yourself to spend $1500 on a laptop. [15:03] just get the 4GB C720 [15:04] Isn't that the first one to be discontinued? [15:04] what? the c720? i just got one [15:04] cmaloney: Nah, can get them used for like $900 [15:05] mrgoodcat: But the screen on the pixel is so much better. I have a 4GB C720 for my son [15:05] No, C720 is discontinued in 2017 [15:05] mrgoodcat: Ah, it's slated to be EOL November 2017. [15:06] the screen is better but i don't know if I could justify even 800$ for that [15:06] woot screens! [15:06] says the man that spent a pixel on just a screen :/ [15:08] 1366x768 is a far cry from 2,560x1,600 [15:08] i could see getting a nice 4K monitor or something like that. but for a laptop i'm not sure its worth it [15:08] using this air I want a 13" retina now. The same res as my 12.5" and it's nicer, but I really want more. [15:09] I cannot go back to low res tablets because I have such nice ones [15:09] yep [15:09] it's the new cable modem [15:09] once you get a real taste it's hard to go back to low res devices [15:09] rick_h_: Pixel has retina-like resolution, and 4:3 [15:09] yea, I'm all for the pixel. It's been tempting on multiple occassions [15:10] but I've got a 512gb ssd in here ... [15:12] You use a lot of virtual machines [15:12] 4GB would kill you [15:14] http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2014/02/schadenfreude-1.html [15:47] jrwren: https://plus.google.com/103784974947002542224/posts/9WP6TLPUzws [15:59] <_stink_> rick_h_: holy crap how you are going to handle all that new blood [15:59] <_stink_> i would rip out my hair [15:59] _stink_: it won't last. We're only going to have 2 slots [15:59] <_stink_> who picks? [15:59] <_stink_> you? [15:59] yea, they submit an application and I pick two students to mentor for projects they pitch in their apps [15:59] <_stink_> so they're just trying to kiss your ass for now? [16:00] they're supposed to get to know orgs and look into the projects, how they work, etc until the 10th of march [16:00] which yea, seems to be just that :/ [16:00] and then they have from the 10th to 21st to submit apps [16:00] <_stink_> interesting [16:00] <_stink_> good luck to you [16:00] no kidding [16:04] rick_h_: PEP8 check their projects on github :D [16:32] rick_h_: this post could not be found [16:33] jrwren: oh hmm [16:33] oh, not publicly shared [16:34] https://plus.google.com/+ChristianHeimes/posts/Z62EBkMsn4n jrwren [16:34] rick_h_: thanks. [16:35] its cool that 3.3.4 is fixed, but 2.7.x is the important fix [16:35] right [16:35] and ubuntu/debian getting updated builds out to everyone [16:36] yay [16:36] i saw the psql fix come in last night [16:45] hmm, not sold that this is a better solution for my future F2540 [16:45] http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/ford-drops-microsoft-will-use-blackberrys-realtime-os-for-next-sync/ [16:45] f250 bah [16:46] QNX [16:47] yea, the title of trading MS for BB makes one wince though lol [16:47] I suppose qnx will survive in some way regardless of BB [16:50] rick_h_: Well, you're already using QNX in your VW. [16:50] cmaloney: doh! I'm doomed [16:50] and already don't believe it'll last 10 years [16:50] QNX is not all that bad. [16:51] no, just more that it's owned by a sinking ship [16:51] please. [16:51] Nokia is busily shooting holes in its boat and it's not in any worse shape. [16:51] lol [16:51] come on, you're not rushing out for the nokia android phone? [16:51] Have you learned nothing from SCO? [16:52] companies don't die, they just sell off their relavent assets to holding companies [16:52] Honestly if you ever want immortality, show up on a corporate balance sheet. [16:52] ohhhhhhh [16:52] so that's what David Bowie's game is [16:53] it's fitting that Nitzer Ebb's "Join in the Chant" just came on the Squeezebox. [16:53] rick_h_: from subaru to F250? [16:54] GUNS GOLD FIRE [16:54] yeah, I didn't realize that the F250 was even in the running of RickRide++ [16:54] jrwren: heh [16:54] Or is that RickRoll++ ? :) [16:54] well the goal is to get the wife a new car in a couple of years that's the 'family' ride and shared [16:55] auto adjusting memory seats and the like [16:55] good gas milage, the commuter [16:55] and the 250 for towing the airstream, sits parked most of the time, emergency second vehicle [16:56] so we've still got the outback, it's the wife's car [16:56] and her new one might be another outback, she's loving it [16:57] but going to need more truck to get my airsteam [16:57] 13mpg pulling or not :) [16:57] yep :/ [16:58] And sounds like a meat grinder while idling. [16:58] only if its diesel [16:59] naw, they're getting better at that [16:59] oh it'll be the big D, not going back after having this TDI [16:59] VW TDI != Ford Deisel [16:59] very different engines [16:59] Yeah, I have to agree w/ jrwren [17:00] yea [17:01] knowing rick_h_'s luck the year he goes out to buy the F250 Diesel will be the year they discontinue it [17:01] lol [17:01] and you'll only be able to get the boneshaker F350l [17:01] my uncle has the full 8' 250 [17:01] F350 rather [17:02] err 350 [17:02] yea, 4 door 8' bed, tank [17:02] rick_h_: remind me, which TDI do you have? [17:02] who makes the engines for ford? Ford? or is it Detroit Diesel? or Cummins? [17:02] dzho: touareg [17:02] ah [17:02] my 2000 Golf is starting to rust out :( [17:02] I want to say it's Cummins [17:02] but not 100% sure [17:03] Ford I think. [17:03] "Power Stroke" [17:03] jrwren: You're right [17:03] yea cummings is chrysler I thought [17:03] And you hit the same Wikipedia page. ;) [17:03] nah, I hit: http://www.ford.com/trucks/superduty/features/Feature1/ [17:04] I'm glad they buld them in house [17:04] one thing Ford did well was engines [17:05] Their transmissions on the other hand... [17:05] hahaha, I was about to say the same thing [17:05] GM eats brakes, Ford eats transmissions, and Chrysler eats dust. [17:06] (I say this as an owner of products of all three brands) [17:09] you like your chrysler eh? [17:09] GM eats seals too [17:10] err, GM Dexacool eats gaskets :( [17:11] my chevrolet has been through 2 transmissions [17:11] but i"m going to try to get a few more years out of my GM car anyway [17:11] i'm on my third right now [17:11] still under 200k [17:11] mrgoodcat: let me guess: Pontiac Vibe? [17:11] because chevrolet definitely makes the pontiac vibe [17:11] oh wait, chevy. [17:11] hrm... [17:12] i can't guess. [17:12] suburban [17:12] 04 [17:12] oh REALY!?! [17:12] the transmission is a piece of shit [17:12] what engine? [17:13] 5.3 v8 [17:13] wait no [17:14] yes [17:14] 5.3 v8 [17:14] huh, that SHOULD be solid. [17:14] weird. [17:14] I love driving it and it has great utility, but the transmission is a POS [17:15] one of my buddies that works at the GM proving grounds told me that they knew it was shitty when they sent it out [17:15] huh, maybe I'm thinking of the trans for 5.7 [17:16] well, admitedly, a lot of GM transmissions are "shitty", but they make up for it in software :p [17:16] the z71 is rock solid [17:16] I have the z71 transmission in it now and hopefully it will last longer [17:19] nothing is worse than chrysler though [17:20] and I don't see that improving now that they're owned by Fiat which is known for shitty quality [17:21] http://autos.jdpower.com/research/FIAT/500/2013/Hatchback/ratings.htm [17:24] jrwren: Oh yeah, Dexacool is nasty stuff [17:24] my last Chrysler was a '84 or 86 Omni. It lasted a very long time. [17:24] You can't kill a Dodge Omni [17:24] They're the roaches of automobiles. [17:26] dexacool coroded my gaskets. I'm now consigned to just run with it that way. [17:26] i'm gonna just keep running with it that way. [17:26] it leaks coolant like crazy. I just keep running. [17:26] There's some hot-choclate mess that you can put in there to thicken it [17:26] i tried the rat turds. It didn't work too well [17:26] huh [17:28] django -I'm getting ValidationError 'ManagementForm data is missing or has been tampered with' from django admin for 1 and only 1 record in a table. I look in chrome-devtools and TOTAL_FORMS and friends look correct, I think. [17:28] brousch: and djangoists, plz help :_) [17:28] DELETE FROM xxx WHERE id = YY [17:28] done! [17:28] oops, need a ; [17:28] that is last resort [17:29] with a comment in the migration script "Not compatible with Django" [17:29] OK, I don't mean to judge or anything [17:30] but if your wife os one year older than the number of years you've been in Congress there's something a bit fucked up about that. [17:30] lol [17:30] cmaloney: i agree. if you are that powerful you should have a WAY younger wife. [17:30] wait... senator or rep? cuz rep, that is about right, but Senator - WAY more powerful, wife should never be over 30. [17:31] trade in for new model every 5-6 yrs [17:31] unless you are speaker of the house. See Newt Gingrich [17:31] jrwren: DOes this also apply for female representatives? :) [17:32] cmaloney: definitely. all 3 of them. [17:33] ok, this is funny https://plus.google.com/114546378907380458640/posts/7at4Y8KEkz6 [17:34] rick_h_: That's just wrong. [17:35] "when your tv is bigger than your mode of transportation..." [17:52] Yay! I think I'm going to be sponsoring some episodes of my favorite podcast in the name of Open Metalcast. :) [17:54] (favorite podcast that I am not a part of, that is. :) ) [17:55] yay [18:03] jrwren: I have no clue. Maybe funky characters in that record? [18:06] brousch: we thought so too so we inspected each field and found nothing [18:12] i finally sucked it up and unmounted my filesystem, ran fsck and did resize [18:13] 4.7T 3.4T 1.1T 76% /nomirror [18:13] still 3.78 TiB PE free in my VG [18:20] weather turned just nice so I took the office outdoors [18:20] http://i.imgur.com/jpFd4Go.jpg [18:22] Azeban: where are you? [18:22] its snowing here [18:23] dubai [18:23] its perfect here [18:24] nice [18:26] woot, got the document camera flipped for google hangouts cmaloney [18:27] used it to kind of mock out some design ideas with another team member real quick [18:45] rick_h_: Awesome! [18:45] Glad it's working out so quickly. :) [18:46] just installed i3 [18:46] its an adjustment to get used to... [18:46] mrgoodcat: heh, yep. Have to bug widox for the pro tips [18:46] i'm a long way from pro tips [18:47] i just got to opening programs [18:47] lol [18:48] i think i'm going to like it though [18:48] i like the quick application switching [18:48] I don't have a lot of screen real estate to work with [18:48] yea, I love tiling because you spend less time worrying about application layout and just do do do [18:49] I'm sitting on my ball [18:49] the multi monitor support is nice [18:49] brousch: you have a workout ball for a chair? [18:50] Yes, just finished inflating it [18:50] so comfy :) [18:50] I used to do that [18:50] I used to stand, but multi monitors killed my setup there [18:50] but i was getting back pains after a while and my chiropractor said it could be the ball [18:51] Yeah, I had a period of back pain as well [18:51] but it's subsided [18:52] you use ball too? [18:52] Yeah, I use the Gaiam chair [18:52] (at home) [18:52] i'm all about the standing desk these days [18:52] yea, standing/sitting combo ftw [18:52] its adjustable though if i need [18:52] Unfortunately I don't have the room for the standing desk [18:53] rick_h_: i'm combo as well [18:53] cmaloney: what do you mean? it doesn't take up that much room [18:53] mrgoodcat: I barely have enough room for the desk that I have. :) [18:54] but why would standing take more room? [18:55] This is plain 75" ball. Not a chair [18:57] brousch: mine was plain ball too [18:57] mrgoodcat: a) I'd need somewhere to put the chair. b) Vertical room. c) Need somewhere to put the other desk that I had to have. ;) [18:57] oh. my desk is adjustable so i don't need to worry about the second desk [18:57] Plus I have a slide-out desk that I use for my laptop. :) [18:58] mrgoodcat: I mean my wife would not be thrilled with me buying yet-another-desk. :) [18:58] I think my abs are tired already [18:59] haha [18:59] i don't have wife to complain [19:00] what font should i use? [19:01] the default i3 font hurts me [19:01] Courier [19:02] thats the typewriter font? [19:02] Yes [19:03] This is why we never listen to brousch [19:19] my chromebook doesn't have pageup/pagedown. does anybody know how to bind mod1+up/down to page? [19:19] using i3 [19:19] mrgoodcat: try ctrl up/down arrow? or alt? [19:19] I know on some machines there's already a combo for it [19:20] doesn't seem to work for me [19:21] mrgoodcat: :( not sure then [19:21] damn... [19:25] mrgoodcat: alt+up arrow should be page up [19:26] thats in chromeos [19:26] i'm in ubuntu right now [19:35] I don't know if I will make it 1 hour on this ball the first day. My abs are really feeling it [19:35] brousch: You may need to work your way up to it [19:35] I didn't do that and had some pretty fun times with my back as a result [19:36] brousch: yea, take it slow [19:37] brousch: you can hurt yourself. People that go standing cold turkey actually have done damage before :/ [19:37] though I think jrwren was super hero that did full day standing when he started as well [19:38] I'll tough out 1 hour and work up from there [19:38] brousch: Don't be a hero [19:39] seriously, you can make your day miserable [19:40] when i started ball i was still in swimming [19:40] i can't imagine starting now [19:40] my poor abs [19:43] cmaloney: I'm no hero, I'm just a big baller. [19:43] Makes my 52cm seem positively pedestrian. ;) [19:43] brousch: You might have some problems with a 75cm ball actually. [19:44] Are you slouching? [19:45] No, the height is really close to what my chair was [19:45] Once I've sat on it, that is [19:45] Right, but there's also a width problem [19:45] Width is fine, not hitting anything [19:46] I mean your legs are likely pushed out further [19:46] They rest comfortably on the floor [19:46] Size seems perfect. I'm glad I dug for this instead of settling for a 65" [19:46] brousch: Can someone at the office take a photo of you sitting naturally on that ball? [19:48] So you can post it to /r/funny? [19:48] no... [19:48] not right away anyway. ;) [19:48] Hour is up, back in the chair [19:49] Now where do I store this thing? [19:50] bingo [19:50] This is why I went with the ball chair [19:51] I can shove it under my desk I guess [19:52] you must really not have much room... am I the only one with extra space? [19:52] Yes [19:52] My space is full of servers, old computers, old printers, and me [20:29] gahhhhhhhh [20:29] * rick_h_ disconnects from the internet [20:30] the freaking python gsoc channel is quiet [20:30] Yeah, they're all in #bookie [20:30] haha [20:30] ;) [20:30] I had to leave it [20:30] god speed good sir. [20:30] greg-g: lol [20:31] rick_h_: Better take a leave of absence [20:32] just have to make it to the student selctions. Then it's only two people [20:32] that I can handle [20:32] 5 at once gets to be whoa [20:33] Something tells me it'll get rel fun when the procrastinators kick in. :) [20:33] yeah, one week before submissions are due you'll be doing bookie 60 hrs that week :) [20:34] Thta said there's lots of things getting fixed. [20:35] which is great [20:35] I know the first rushes can be overwhelming (it's a 3ish person full time-ish job for MediaWiki every year) [20:35] but in the end things are improved [20:36] yep [20:36] yea, no it's exciting for sure. and I still love the idea of teaching and getting experience I only kind of got through co-op in college [20:36] there is a certain amount of timezone offset that's a bit ugh [20:37] yeah, that part sucks, push em to the mailing list if you can [20:37] yea, I need to do more of that [20:37] Or perhaps a Wiki of getting started instructions [20:39] yea, well glad I got that far right away with the pastebin. Saved me a ton of time [20:39] #bookie is crazy right now. I feel a little bad because I can answer so few questions [20:40] hah, it's all good. I signed up very carefully for it :) [20:48] heh, imports killing the server [20:48] You wouldn't have scale problems if you'd gone with GAE [20:49] :P [20:49] brousch: :( [20:49] greg-g: Bah, rick_h_ knows he is my hero [20:50] added 4k bookmarks heh [20:50] almost to 80k now [20:50] What was that landmark number you were near? [20:50] Number of users maybe [20:50] yea, crossed 200 users with bookmarks [20:50] over 240 now [20:50] and 70k bookmarks was the last milestone [20:50] guess 100k will be next [20:51] and 300 users with bookmarks [20:52] https://bmark.us/dashboard [20:52] 100k bookmarks should be a bookie party [20:52] wish I had my graphs up now [20:52] brousch++ [20:52] so see the activity over the last day [20:52] brousch: sounds like a plan to me [20:52] I'll be in Michigan on Friday - Tues, btw :) [20:52] greg-g: ?! [20:52] greg-g: then come over and have some wine! [20:52] sister in law's wedding, staying at mother-in-law's place in Chelsea [20:53] may or may not have a vehicle of our own :/ [20:53] that can be worked around [20:53] I may end up just fucking renting one, I can't be dependent on MIL [20:53] we'll all crash at jcastro's place [20:53] YES! [20:53] he's out that way [20:54] I really wish Mako had an excel export [20:55] I don't think he uses MS software :P [20:57] cmaloney: ODS or DIAF [21:00] greg-g: har har [21:01] brousch: I wish [21:04] apt-get install -y -f [21:05] 'apt-get' is not recognized as an internal or external command, [21:05] operable program or batch file. [21:07] *gasp* [21:13] greg-g: If we don't manage to catch up, would you duck-tape yourself to the nearest flag pole so we can keep you in Michigan? [21:13] just as a temporary measure until we can work out something permanent [21:25] sed -i 's/local +all +all +peer/local all all trust/' pg_hba.conf [21:25] discuss [21:27] Can you restate it in plain English? [21:27] replacing postgresql peer auth with trust auth. [21:27] i.e. allow any local user [21:27] because I trust all my local users. [21:27] i'm trying to make folks cringe. did it work? [21:29] Just don't have any local users! [21:34] right [21:40] <_stink_> brousch: i cannot stop laughing at [21:40] <_stink_> "Yes sir I want to." [21:41] See if I can scare this one off [21:42] I have a strong suspicion this one runs Windows [21:43] <_stink_> perhaps asking that in an accusatory tone would be appropriate [21:44] Not really, it will pop up soon if it's the case [23:48] i forgot how good Thai food was. i've not had in forever.