/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/02/25/#ubuntu-za.txt

inetpro	good morning	05:04
Private_User	morning inetpro	05:17
Private_User	hey anybody know what you call an application or software where you can connect to many messaging services/servers i.e. IRC, Google Talk, Twitter, Facebook chat, etc?	05:52
* Squirm looks around		06:04
Private_User	sup Squirm	06:05
Kilos	morning Squirm superfly and others	06:06
magespawn	good morning	06:09
Kilos	hi magespawn	06:10
Squirm	so I bought my S3 from an online store called GMart. They offered a 12 month warranty. My phone died, so I sent it back. Now the tell me they need to replace the motherboard because of water damage	06:11
magespawn	hey Kilos	06:11
magespawn	hi Squirm	06:11
Squirm	I know for a fact that there was no liquid anywhere near that phone at the time	06:11
Squirm	or any time actually	06:12
Squirm	hey magespawn	06:12
magespawn	ahh well then you have to wonder	06:12
Squirm	"There is liquid damage on the phone, the Whole motherboard need to be replace, It will cost R0200 ex. Delivery fee "	06:12
Squirm	so I just sent off an email saying that I don't believe them but I would like to accept their quotation of R200.00	06:13
magespawn	how long have you had the phone?	06:13
Squirm	it was about 6 months	06:13
Kilos	ouch	06:13
Squirm	I'm thoroughly annoyed	06:14
Squirm	I can believe you may need to replace the board, but come on, not because of liquid damage	06:14
Kilos	that your new fancy fone Squirm	06:14
Squirm	indeed it is Kilos	06:15
Kilos	eish	06:15
Kilos	dont play on fone in hot bath or shower	06:15
Kilos	hehe	06:15
Kilos	joking	06:15
Squirm	hmm, we had Friday and Monday off, but my boss and colleague aren't here yet. I'm so tempted to just go home :P	06:15
Squirm	Kilos: yeah, it's not really funny	06:15
Squirm	my car is also in for repairs	06:16
Kilos	eish	06:16
Squirm	so the phone, because of the typo, is probably going to cost R2k, I got a quote for my car at R2.5k yesterday	06:16
Kilos	eina	06:17
* Squirm opens a "Save the Squirm" fund		06:18
Squirm	donation link to follow	06:18
Kilos	hehe	06:18
nlsthzn	o7	06:28
Kilos	hi there nlsthzn	06:28
nlsthzn	how are you today uncle Kilos?	06:28
Kilos	good ty nlsthzn and you?	06:29
Kilos	im looking forward to tonights meeting	06:29
* nlsthzn will be in bed by then 10:30pm is to late when I have to get up at 5 again		06:30
nuvolari	Oh afriho<silence>, oh afriho<drops a pin>	06:45
nuvolari	:-/	06:45
nuvolari	really, Server Admin support takes > 4 hours to respond on escalated tickets	06:45
Kilos	hi nuvolari	06:45
Kilos	reg vir vanaand?	06:45
nuvolari	nog nie oom	06:46
Kilos	hi HiMaX	07:22
Kilos	hehe	07:22
Kilos	lo HiMaX too	07:22
Kilos	Private_User1 yuou here from pidgin too now?	07:23
HiMaX	Kilos- why make fun my handle	07:24
Kilos	well its funny to say hi to a nick that starts with hi	07:24
Kilos	welcome to ubuntu-za	07:25
HiMaX	- hi so is high	07:26
Private_User1	yes Kilos here from Pidgin. Gonna have to take some getting used to	07:28
Kilos	you on windows or ubuntu?	07:28
Private_User1	I have added so many IM accounts they are all confusing me cause for some accounts I have the same contacts now there are duplicate names	07:28
Private_User1	this is the win machine the ubuntu machine still in pieces	07:29
Kilos	lol thats why i use xchat for irc	07:29
Kilos	or use mirc	07:29
HiMaX	Private_User1- use in mirc	07:29
Private_User1	yeah on the ubuntu thats what I use for now I doing this temporarily until I can put the machine back together again	07:30
Kilos	i think they charge though dont they?	07:30
Private_User1	HiMaX: mirc is not free or open source. I am trying to only use free and open source	07:30
Kilos	i dunno how you peeps can use windows with everything minimised. i get lost	07:30
HiMaX	Private_User1- i see now	07:31
Kilos	there was an xchat for windows	07:31
Kilos	Maaz google free xchat for windows	07:31
Maaz	Kilos: "XChat: Multiplatform Chat Program" http://xchat.org/ :: "XChat for Windows" http://xchat.org/windows/ :: "Download - X-Chat 2 for Windows" http://www.silverex.org/download/ :: "X-Chat 2 for Windows" http://www.silverex.info/ :: "HexChat: Home" http://hexchat.github.io/ :: "XChat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XChat ::	07:31
Maaz	"X-Chat \| Free Communications software downloads at SourceForge ..." http://sourceforge.net/p…	07:31
Private_User1	used that 1st remember Kilos then it said trial ended	07:32
HiMaX	Kilos- no is good is got menu popup choose program to maximise	07:32
Kilos	Private_User1 look at them links. if xchat aint free anymore go hexchat	07:32
Kilos	did you try the silverex one Private_User1	07:33
HiMaX	Icechat good too , many features	07:33
Kilos	HiMaX how did you find us here?	07:39
Kilos	or isnt this your first time	07:40
HiMaX	- not really why ask	07:42
Kilos	i try remember everyone that visits	07:43
Kilos	so i dont welcome them again the next time	07:43
Kilos	hehe	07:43
HiMaX	- i see no im not here next time	07:44
Kilos	and i try convince the windows users to change to ubuntu	07:44
Kilos	and we try help peeps with linux problems	07:45
Private_User	ok see you now now gonna log off here	07:48
HiMaX	- was that not perpose of room ?	07:48
Kilos	yip to help peeps	07:49
=== Private_User1 is now known as Private_User
HiMaX	- windows got lots games make ports in linux why not ?	07:53
Kilos	steam is busy building up games database i think	07:53
Kilos	linux has left gaming for last	07:54
Kilos	or you can play them in wine and playonlinux	07:56
HiMaX	- playonlinux resource intensive . The convert to .deb better it is	07:57
Kilos	i use my windows machine to play games	07:58
Kilos	play freecell and mahjong on ubuntu	07:58
HiMaX	- those is bored of games	08:01
Kilos	yeah	08:01
HiMaX	- tell linux get 3d world right please	08:01
Kilos	what distro are you using?	08:03
HiMaX	- 13.10	08:04
Kilos	and your 3d isnt good?	08:05
HiMaX	- is good no games for 3d 13.10 all in windows	08:06
Kilos	oh ya	08:06
Kilos	look at steam	08:07
Kilos	Maaz google steam for ubuntu	08:07
Maaz	Kilos: "Valve - Ubuntu Wiki" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve :: "Steam, The Ultimate Online Game Platform" http://store.steampowered.com/about/ :: "Featured Linux Games - Steam" http://store.steampowered.com/browse/linux/ :: "News - Steam for Linux Now Available" http://store.steampowered.com/news/9943/ :: "How to install the Steam gaming client on Ubuntu (Gallery) \|	08:07
Maaz	ZDNet" http://www.zdnet.com/how-to-install-the-steam-gaming-client-on-ubuntu-gallery-70…	08:07
HiMaX	- ok	08:08
nlsthzn	Steam ftw	08:14
superfly	yes	08:16
superfly	steam FTW	08:16
HiMaX	- python 3d also games in steam	08:18
nlsthzn	can now even stream non linux steam games via In-House Streaming... even non steam native games :)	08:18
HiMaX	nlsthzn- what you talk of In-House Streaming ?	08:19
nlsthzn	google steam in-house streaming	08:19
nlsthzn	easier to read than for me to type it all out :p	08:20
HiMaX	nlsthzn- do google own steam too	08:20
nlsthzn	no, use google and search for steam in-house streaming >.<	08:21
HiMaX	nlsthzn- now i see thanks	08:22
nlsthzn	it is very cool	08:23
nlsthzn	but it does need to PC's	08:24
nlsthzn	*two	08:24
magespawn	just found a working 30GB iPod	08:34
Kilos	thats lekker magespawn	08:38
Kilos	you just finding lotsa stuff	08:38
ThatGraemeGuy	hello peoples	08:38
Kilos	scratching in storerooms?	08:38
Kilos	hi ThatGraemeGuy	08:38
magespawn	yup and yup Kilos	08:38
Kilos	haha	08:38
magespawn	hi ThatGraemeGuy nlsthzn superfly	08:39
nlsthzn	alo	08:39
Kilos	hi Professional	08:39
Professional	hi guys	08:39
Professional	anyone testing out Ubuntu Mobile OS?	08:40
Kilos	cocooncrash thanks for fixing maaz	08:40
HiMaX	nlsthzn- steam In-House Streaming i not liking	08:40
nlsthzn	it is pretty awesome how well it works but it has niche uses	08:42
nlsthzn	like playing almost any game on the coach in front of the TV, or even on the TV	08:43
nlsthzn	if they can remove the need for the host PC to continuously show the running game and it can be used for other applications it would be awesome	08:43
HiMaX	nlsthzn- maybe true	08:44
HiMaX	- why give wrong date in ubuntu-za twitter is Tuesday, 26 February at 20:30 ?	08:49
Kilos	who gave the wrong date there	08:50
Kilos	lol	08:50
Kilos	its supposed to be the 25th	08:50
HiMaX	:)	08:51
Kilos	must be the old man	08:51
Kilos	forgive him he struggles a bit	08:51
HiMaX	- understand life fast one make mistakes	08:52
Kilos	oh so do you follow @ubuntuza on twitter too?	08:56
HiMaX	- sometimes just views it	08:57
Kilos	ah we only do notifications of meeting and stuff related to this channel there	09:02
Kilos	wb bduk	09:04
Kilos	HiMaX where are you?	09:09
HiMaX	- busy work and you	09:13
Kilos	im at home	09:13
Kilos	where in the world i meant	09:14
Kilos	hehe	09:14
Kilos	im outside pretoria	09:14
HiMaX	- portugal western cape now	09:17
Kilos	aha	09:18
Kilos	nlsthzn we getting peeps from all over hey?	09:26
Private_User	man I really need to remember that the X means close unlike some apps it means minimize to task bar but this case it means close...LOL	09:35
Vince-0	!	09:36
Kilos	hi Vince-0	09:38
Kilos	lol	09:39
Private_User	brb	09:44
nlsthzn	it is awesome uncle Kilos	09:57
Vince-0	Haai	10:31
Private_User	have you guys seen this link, picked it up from one of the other ubuntu channels or was it their offtopic channels can't remember now has anybody tried this?	10:40
Private_User	https://whispersystems.org/	10:40
jabberwocky93	hi Kilos!	11:19
charl_	good afternoon	11:49
charl_	Maaz: coffee on	11:49
* Maaz puts the kettle on		11:49
charl_	ah i see cocooncrash repaired him	11:50
Kilos	hi charl_ yeah we lucky	11:53
Maaz	Coffee's ready for charl_!	11:53
Kilos	Maaz coffee please	11:53
Maaz	Kilos: There isn't a pot on	11:53
Kilos	oh my	11:54
Kilos	hi jabberwocky93 long time no see	11:54
Kilos	charl_ you use Ubuntu Mobile OS?	11:55
Kilos	new visitor wants to know	11:55
jabberwocky93	yeah, good to be back in #ubuntu-za :-)	11:56
Kilos	meeting tonight at 20.30	12:00
jabberwocky93	o_o	12:00
* jabberwocky93 didn't check the topic		12:00
Kilos	we have changed to last tuesday of the month	12:01
Kilos	too many peeps had other things happening on mondays	12:01
jabberwocky93	murphy you son of a ...	12:02
Kilos	haha	12:02
jabberwocky93	the only day in the week	12:02
Kilos	oh no	12:02
Kilos	what do you do tuesdays?	12:03
Spekko	rofl	12:03
jabberwocky93	studies 19:00 to 21:30	12:03
jabberwocky93	*group studies	12:03
Kilos	for how long still?	12:03
jabberwocky93	indefenitly, started middle of last year so it's been going on a while now.	12:04
Kilos	well record it for that one night in the month then study on your own	12:05
Kilos	hi Golynx	12:09
Golynx	hi Kilos	12:10
charl_	Maaz: thanks	12:16
Maaz	charl_: Sure	12:16
charl_	Kilos: afaik it isn't "production ready" yet but it looks very promising	12:16
Kilos	hi gwood	12:17
charl_	Kilos: when it becomes production ready i might consider it, depending on the price of the hardware, but i'm not a big mobile phone user	12:17
Kilos	ah	12:17
Kilos	wb magespawn	12:18
Kilos	look at all the peeps here and meeting still hours away	12:19
charl_	hi magespawn	12:20
charl_	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edge	12:20
charl_	The Ubuntu Edge was a proposed "high concept" smartphone announced by Canonical Ltd. on 22 July 2013. Canonical was seeking to crowdfund a production run of around 40,000 units through Indiegogo. It had the highest target of any crowdfunded project to date, $32,000,000 over a one-month campaign. The Edge was not intended to go into mass production after the initial run, but rather to serve as a demonstration for new technologies for	12:20
charl_	The Edge was designed as a hybrid device, which would function as a high-end smartphone (with both Ubuntu Touch and Android), or—when used with a monitor, keyboard and mouse—be able to operate as a conventional desktop PC running Ubuntu.[2] The Ubuntu Edge was also designed to support dual boot, and was to run along with Android.[3]	12:20
Golynx	hi charl_	12:21
charl_	that is where they went wrong	12:21
charl_	hi Golynx	12:21
charl_	you can read the rest of the page but it basically comes down to canonical wanting to do total overkill instead of aiming to provide a good usable phone	12:21
Golynx	hi magespawn	12:21
charl_	and for a reasonable price	12:21
Golynx	hi gwood	12:22
charl_	imho if they aimed a little lower and tried to create just a plain old good mobile telephone they would have made a killing	12:22
gwood	hi everyone	12:22
Kilos	Professional ^^	12:22
charl_	because just the ability to raise 12 mil is really amazing imho	12:22
charl_	hi gwood	12:23
Golynx	i agree charl_	12:23
charl_	look at how many huawei ideos they sold in kenya... if they made an all-round good phone with low cost it could be huge	12:24
Golynx	i will maybe just make an html5 app for it, hav'nt tried Qt yet	12:24
charl_	Golynx: what are you looking to do exactly? sorry i think i missed half of the conversation ...	12:26
Golynx	focusing at the mid to low end should be ubuntu phones playground	12:26
charl_	yeah and then you can move up to produce some high end phones too eventually	12:26
charl_	because there is a high end market, in particular a business market	12:26
charl_	a lot of people have company phones	12:27
Kilos	<Professional> anyone testing out Ubuntu Mobile OS?	12:27
charl_	eh on which device ???	12:27
magespawn	hi there guys	12:28
magespawn	gotta go out for a bit, chat later	12:29
Professional	I saw the new tech partners that were announced and they make decent hardware http://en.meizu.com/	12:30
Professional	the processing power on the device is more than capable of running the	12:31
Golynx	hi Professional	12:32
Professional	Hi	12:32
Kilos	hmm... storm coming here fast	12:33
charl_	Professional: that's interesting, those meizu phones look nice	12:34
charl_	but once again it seems like canonical is aiming at the high-end market	12:35
charl_	imho that is a mistake	12:35
Kilos	they gotta make up for all the free stuff	12:35
Kilos	like millions of shipped cds	12:35
charl_	the high end market will end up in apple's hands mostly, if you go head-on with apple you better know what you are doing	12:36
charl_	the benefit is apple is pricing themselves out of the market to some extent, that's why i'm saying, aim for the below-apple market	12:36
charl_	whow he got k-lined?! what was he doing	12:36
Golynx	something not too opensource about that, just a little bit , and the word "Ubuntu" aswell	12:37
Trixar_za	Oo	12:37
Trixar_za	Oh hai guys	12:37
Golynx	hi Trixar_za	12:38
Professional	the smart phone market is a tricky place you can be here today gone tomorrow.	12:38
Trixar_za	Actually Ubuntu is pretty much the heart of the open source (and in some way the Anarchy) movements	12:38
Kilos	windows	12:38
Kilos	hi Trixar_za	12:38
Trixar_za	Hey Kilos	12:39
charl_	Trixar_za: i would beg to differ... ubuntu and canonical have made themselves pretty controversial of late	12:40
Kilos	hi Spekko welcome to ubuntu-za	12:41
Kilos	or you just using another nick?	12:41
Spekko	Kilos nope, I'm new here :) ... and thanks	12:42
Golynx	hi Spekko	12:42
Kilos	cool Spekko if you need linux help just ask	12:43
charl_	hi Spekko :)	12:43
Golynx	but i guess ubuntu/canonical have to find ways to be profitable though. But its good for them if they can find a balance with that	12:44
Spekko	Thanks :D much appreciated, I'm still VERRY noob, so you must excuse me if I ask really retarded stuff. I'm a friend of jabberwocky93	12:44
Spekko	And hello everyone :)	12:45
Kilos	np Spekko the guys will help where they can	12:46
Kilos	we were all noob at some time	12:46
Kilos	i can now at least turn my pc on by myself	12:47
Professional	lol	12:47
Spekko	rofl!	12:47
Golynx	lol	12:47
charl_	Spekko: that is no problem, please feel welcome, and ask away if you have any questions	12:47
charl_	Spekko: just remember to always google first :)	12:47
Kilos	i even had to be taught how to google	12:48
Spekko	yeah :/ .. jabberwocky keeps spamming me with lmgtfy links	12:50
Golynx	one still need to think hard while structuring your google query	12:50
Golynx	aspecially when it comes to programming	12:51
jabberwocky93	lmgtfy :-)	12:51
Kilos	yeah getting to know what to google for is an art	12:51
charl_	that is the problem yes	12:52
charl_	the point i was trying to make is that, if you type whatever you typed into irc into google and the first result is the answer, you don't have an excuse	12:52
Spekko	Companies should have positions open for people who specialise in writing Google Queries.	12:52
Kilos	spekko you can pm maaz and practise googling with him	12:52
Kilos	as in	12:52
Kilos	Maaz google lost	12:53
Maaz	Kilos: "Watch Lost \| ABC TV Show - ABC.com" http://abc.go.com/shows/lost :: "Lost (TV series) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_(TV_series) :: "Lost (TV Series 2004–2010) - IMDb" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/ :: "Lost - Lostpedia - The Lost Encyclopedia - Wikia" http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Lost :: "Lostpedia - The	12:53
Maaz	Lost Encyclopedia" https://lostpedia.wikia.com/ :: "'Lost' Finale Explained: Answering the…	12:53
Spekko	Maaz google Bottie	12:53
Maaz	Spekko: "Urban Dictionary: bottie" http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bottie :: "Urban Dictionary: Hottie Bottie" http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hottie%20Bottie :: "Urban Dictionary: Bottie cough" http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bottie%20cough :: "Bottie - definition of Bottie by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus ..."	12:53
Maaz	http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Bottie :: "Yana and Britt bottie got swag - YouTube" ht…	12:53
Spekko	Cool Bot :)	12:53
Spekko	Will do taht in PM, sorry for spamming in chat	12:53
Kilos	np noobs are forgiven	12:54
Spekko	:D/-<	12:54
Kilos	whew thyats a heavy smiley	12:55
Kilos	thats	12:55
Golynx	charl_ yes many things people ask in irc channels are actually fit for google. It will give them way faster results than having to wait long for an experts reply	12:56
Kilos	i go pump water before power goes	12:57
Golynx	Spekko is that gangnam style lol	12:57
charl_	Golynx: yes that and it lightens the load on the experts :)	12:59
Spekko	Well, it was just a bro dancing, but potato tomato	13:00
Trixar_za	Well, it lightens the load on the experts that haven't been jaded by the lazy	13:02
Golynx	charl_ exactly.	13:04
charl_	ok gotta finish some work off	13:09
charl_	see you all tonight	13:09
kstan_	meeting done?	13:58
Kilos	hi kstan_	13:59
Kilos	tonight at 20.30	13:59
Kilos	welcome to ubuntui-za	13:59
kstan_	hi. first time here	13:59
Kilos	welcome	13:59
kstan_	from malaysia saw today have a irc meeting so come to see. am I come to wrong channel?	14:00
Kilos	nope we have one tonight	14:00
Kilos	are you an ubuntu user?	14:00
Kilos	or planning to become one	14:01
kstan_	yes.	14:01
Kilos	cool	14:01
kstan_	im use it for many years.	14:01
kstan_	but now use it lesser in desktop level. due to job required mac osx	14:02
kstan_	but server still using ubuntu	14:03
Kilos	yeah that happens everywhere	14:03
kstan_	just curious in your country is it ubuntu is primary os?	14:04
Kilos	with some of us yes, but most have to use windows at work	14:04
kstan_	ic. seems microsoft marketing really good in everywhere.	14:06
Kilos	yeah	14:06
kstan	use yes	14:10
kstan	yes	14:10
Kilos	yes	14:11
Kilos	hehe	14:11
kstan	i'm recommend one software from china, i think very cool for u o	14:13
kstan	it can't run in mac, but windows and ubuntu ok	14:13
Kilos	what is it for?	14:13
kstan	http://wps-community.org/	14:13
kstan	office application, it is commercial but free for linux user at this moment.	14:14
Kilos	we have libreoffice as default	14:14
kstan	i'm waiting 14.04, then will dual boot it in my macbook. then will try this.	14:15
Kilos	but im sure some guys will go look at it	14:15
kstan	to be honest, libreoffice is very not stable under heavy duty environment	14:15
kstan	my whole company using ubuntu and Mac	14:15
kstan	so far the only challenge we face now is office application not hit enterprise requirement	14:16
kstan	else ubuntu team good job.	14:16
kstan	WPS seems close the gaps.	14:17
kstan	?	14:20
Kilos	im not an office user so dont know	14:20
kstan	well, it crash, memory leak, hang	14:21
kstan	function limited is something acceptable, but when it slow down computer then trouble.	14:21
Kilos	oh my	14:27
Kilos	wbb	14:46
Kilos-	hmm... where are the clever peeps. private-user has been banned and he doesnt know why	14:50
Golynx	hmm thats strange	14:51
Kilos-	yeah he just mailed me and asked for help	14:51
Golynx	maybe the ip his using thats banned	14:51
Kilos-	but why	14:52
Kilos-	we were chatting	14:52
Golynx	if he can get into freenode , he can visit #freenode to get help	14:53
Kilos-	he cant get on at all	14:53
Golynx	Then its his ip probably	14:53
Kilos-	This Private_User, I have been trying to log onto irc.freenode.net but I get the following message "Disconnected. ERROR :Closing Link: 197.111.223.227 (*** Banned )"	14:53
Golynx	he should try connecting other ip's	14:54
Golynx	tell him not to use irc.freenode.net	14:54
Golynx	rather chat.freenode.net or roddenberry.freenode.net	14:55
Kilos-	i just mailed him to try chat.freenode.net	14:55
Kilos-	also told him to try another nick	14:55
Kilos-	further back charl made a comment about him being klined	14:56
Golynx	oh , ya freenode staff still fixing things after the DDOS	14:57
Golynx	so maybe thats why	14:57
Kilos-	maybe i can ask them to unbann him	14:58
Golynx	you could try	14:58
Kilos-	whew	15:03
Kilos-	<mquin> Kilos-: he'll need to stop the cryptocoin client he's running	15:03
Kilos-	<mquin> Kilos-: and ask whoever develops it not to use us for bootstrapping	15:04
Golynx	lol	15:04
Golynx	well that explains it	15:04
Kilos-	i dunno what all that means but i hope he understands	15:07
Kilos-	what is bootstrapping	15:12
Golynx	Maaz google bootstrapping	15:15
Maaz	Golynx: "Bootstrapping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrapping :: "Bootstrapping (statistics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrapping_(statistics) :: "Bootstrap Definition \| Investopedia" http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bootstrap.asp :: "Bootstrapping \| Inc.com"	15:15
Maaz	http://www.inc.com/bootstrapping :: "Bootstrap: A Statistical Method" http://www.stat.rutgers.edu/~mxie/rcpape…	15:15
Golynx	freenode dont like the automatic process part of it	15:17
Kilos-	hi Akiva-Mobile	15:17
Akiva-Mobile	Hiya	15:17
Akiva-Mobile	need help.	15:17
Golynx	hi Akiva-Mobile	15:17
Kilos-	tell us what the prob is	15:17
Akiva-Mobile	Problem: Old man has old program for his old electric accupuncture machine	15:18
Akiva-Mobile	old program... requires the devil	15:18
Akiva-Mobile	aka	15:18
Akiva-Mobile	activex	15:18
Akiva-Mobile	i tried playonlinux, but im not having much luck.	15:18
Kilos-	tell me more about the machine	15:19
Akiva-Mobile	Program is not rendering properly, or it is hardblocking.	15:19
Akiva-Mobile	the machine... hmmm	15:19
Kilos-	does it run from the pc?	15:19
Akiva-Mobile	no	15:20
Akiva-Mobile	it takes manual input	15:20
Akiva-Mobile	the program is probably just algorythm based.	15:20
Akiva-Mobile	akudiast 1	15:21
Golynx	ai	15:21
Kilos-	whew	15:22
Kilos-	Akiva-Mobile do you need to run it connected to a pc all the time or just to set it up	15:23
nuvolari	I'm out	15:25
nuvolari	see you at the meeting	15:25
Kilos-	ok nuvolari	15:25
nuvolari	Maaz: welcome	15:25
Maaz	Welcome to tonights meeting everyone	15:25
nuvolari	lol	15:25
nuvolari	oh dear	15:25
Kilos-	lol	15:26
nuvolari	not yet	15:26
Kilos-	gaan huis toe man	15:26
Akiva-Mobile	really I am just looking for the best implimentation or emulation of internet explorer on linux as possible.	15:26
Akiva-Mobile	i don't care what version	15:26
Akiva-Mobile	its already installed	15:26
Akiva-Mobile	its some stupid browser application	15:26
Akiva-Mobile	think of it as a htm based calculator	15:26
Akiva-Mobile	that requires freaking active x	15:26
Kilos-	have you tried wine	15:27
Kilos-	or even another browser like firefox	15:27
Akiva-Mobile	firefox doesnt have active x	15:28
Akiva-Mobile	so it refuses to run	15:28
Akiva-Mobile	like, its programmed not to run if it doesnt have active x	15:28
Kilos-	have you tried running it in wine	15:29
Akiva-Mobile	not direct wine, only playonlinux	15:29
Kilos-	you can install directx stuff there	15:29
Akiva-Mobile	5, 5.5, 6, and 7	15:29
Akiva-Mobile	i can't get it to work on any without crashes.	15:29
Kilos-	how often are you gonna need it?	15:29
Akiva-Mobile	i have not played around with wine settings	15:29
Akiva-Mobile	its gonna be his business	15:30
Akiva-Mobile	old man massage incoroperated.	15:30
Kilos-	from ubuntu	15:30
Akiva-Mobile	yah, he needs it every time he does accupuncture.	15:30
Akiva-Mobile	so often	15:30
Akiva-Mobile	daily lets say	15:30
Kilos-	whew	15:30
Kilos-	might even be easier to run a windows pc then	15:31
Akiva-Mobile	;_;	15:31
Akiva-Mobile	actually I guess a vm might work	15:31
Kilos-	yeah sad i know	15:31
Akiva-Mobile	all things considered, thats prob the best way to go forward.	15:31
Kilos-	oh ya and try it in virtualbox	15:31
Akiva-Mobile	yah	15:32
Akiva-Mobile	should be easy enough for him to learn.	15:32
Kilos-	otherwise windows with antivirus and firewalls	15:32
Kilos-	sad	15:33
Kilos-	contact the program owners and ask for a linux version	15:33
Akiva-Mobile	i think it was created by a greasy cheque guy in like 2003 or something.	15:34
Akiva-Mobile	czech*	15:35
Akiva-Mobile	~cheque	15:35
Akiva-Mobile	anyways im about to collapse, so tired	15:36
Akiva-Mobile	night	15:36
Kilos-	hi Kirill_Rus	15:36
Kilos-	night Akiva-Mobile sorry we didnt help you	15:36
Akiva-Mobile	nah, you did	15:36
Akiva-Mobile	virtual machine	15:37
Kilos-	in ubuntu there is virtualbox	15:37
Akiva-Mobile	later ... zambians? Zimbabwe people?? I dunno	15:37
Kilos-	in the repos	15:37
Kilos-	south africans	15:37
Akiva-Mobile	I hear botswana is awesome these days :)	15:37
Kilos-	?	15:37
Akiva-Mobile	I hear south africa is the pits lately	15:37
Akiva-Mobile	:(	15:37
Kilos-	not too hot at the moment no	15:38
Kilos-	heavy cost of living	15:38
Akiva-Mobile	botswana, lots of economic freedom. second most in all of africa.	15:38
Kilos-	so they say yes	15:38
Akiva-Mobile	yah, socialist regime.	15:38
Akiva-Mobile	I mean I guess apartheid had to end, but it was replaced by rubbish.	15:38
Kilos-	lol	15:39
Akiva-Mobile	what do you think?	15:40
Akiva-Mobile	I'm not south african, but that is the perspective I generally get here	15:40
Kilos-	i think that over time it will sort itself out	15:40
Akiva-Mobile	Kilos-: Same to be said about zimbabwe ?	15:40
Kilos-	maybe many years but who knbows	15:40
Kilos-	yip	15:40
Akiva-Mobile	:P	15:40
magespawn	good evening	15:48
magespawn	bit early i know but why not	15:49
Kilos-	hi magespawn	15:51
=== Kilos- is now known as Kilos
magespawn	back again, router now set up	16:32
Kilos	that cisco?	16:33
magespawn	no, this is a buffalo airstation running dd-wrt	16:33
Kilos	ah and no luck with the cisco yet?	16:34
Kilos	that sucks	16:34
magespawn	i logged into it the other night and reset it to factory defaults but have not tried again since then	16:34
Kilos	ah	16:35
Kilos	try find kerbero he is quite good with routers from cli	16:36
magespawn	this one i have setup as a temporary measure so that i can get all my equipment online	16:36
Kilos	cool	16:36
magespawn	being eaten alive by mozzies, be right back	16:49
Kilos	haha get the sig-gen and chase them with the frequency	16:50
Kilos	hi Rynomster you coming to the meeting tonight?	16:58
magespawn	taking a more traditional approach, spray on mozzie repellent	16:58
Golynx	Kilos how is the insect deat ray coming along	17:01
Golynx	s/death	17:01
Golynx	wb Rynofear	17:03
inetpro	good evening	17:04
Golynx	hi inetpro	17:05
charl_	good evenig	17:23
charl_	*evening	17:23
Kilos	hi inetpro charl_	17:25
charl_	hi Kilos	17:25
Kilos	ive been too busy fighting modems Golynx	17:25
Kilos	its like vmclite is embedded in them	17:26
Kilos	but show as read only files	17:26
Kilos	even flashing dont remove them	17:27
Golynx	ah, then its a good winter project Kilos. It will for sure be ready by summer time	17:27
Kilos	no noonoos in winter	17:27
Kilos	tabard used to work well magespawn	17:28
Kilos	when i was in st lucia	17:28
magespawn	i have a spar special	17:29
magespawn	seems to be working well	17:31
Kilos	the thing to do is setup the sig=gen and let the kids play till they get the frequency spot on	17:32
Golynx	Kilos that could be dangerous	17:35
Kilos	to who?	17:35
Golynx	children i read somewhere can hear higher frequencies than adults	17:36
Kilos	when they get headaches theyll stop	17:36
Golynx	lol	17:36
Kilos	when i play here my sis gets headaches and her eyes start watering	17:37
Kilos	hehe	17:37
Golynx	better have tissues handy then	17:40
Kilos	lol	17:40
Golynx	hehe	17:41
nuvolari	o/ oh hi	17:48
Kilos	lo nuvolari	17:48
nuvolari	hi oom	17:48
nuvolari	oom Kilos ek meen	17:48
Kilos	hehe	17:48
nuvolari	Maaz: are you alive?	17:48
Maaz	nuvolari: blink	17:48
nuvolari	Maaz: wink wink	17:49
Maaz	nuvolari: Huh?	17:49
nuvolari	Maaz: yes	17:49
Maaz	Well then nuvolari Please be patient!	17:49
nuvolari	Maaz: ok	17:49
Maaz	nuvolari: Huh?	17:49
nuvolari	Maaz: yes	17:49
Maaz	Well then nuvolari Please be patient!	17:49
nuvolari	Maaz: yes	17:49
Maaz	Well then nuvolari Please be patient!	17:49
Kilos	lol	17:49
nuvolari	hmm	17:49
nuvolari	Maaz: jump!	17:49
Maaz	How high?	17:49
nuvolari	Maaz: over the moon!	17:49
Maaz	nuvolari: Sorry...	17:49
nuvolari	:-/	17:49
nuvolari	no?	17:50
Kilos	where are all your g+ followers nuvolari ?	17:51
Kilos	it said you invited 63 i think	17:51
nuvolari	Kilos: eh? what do you mean oom?	17:51
nuvolari	juslaaik	17:51
nuvolari	where did it say invited so many peeps?	17:52
nuvolari	*I	17:53
nuvolari	*where did it say that I have invited so many people?	17:53
Kilos	a mail that came from g+ i think it was	17:53
nuvolari	howdy magespawn	17:53
* nuvolari tips hat		17:53
nuvolari	nu uh!	17:54
magespawn	hey nuvolari	17:54
nuvolari	probably just so many people invited	17:54
nuvolari	howdy ThatGraemeGuy	17:54
nuvolari	er	17:54
Kilos	its a mail i get that asks am i going to attend	17:54
theblazehen	I'm late, arent I?	17:54
nuvolari	theblazehen:	17:54
nuvolari	theblazehen: you're early	17:54
theblazehen	Yes!!	17:54
Kilos	theblazehen hi you early	17:54
theblazehen	hey nuvolari Kilos	17:54
Kilos	20.30	17:55
theblazehen	I see now	17:55
nuvolari	20:30 but we'll start with 20:20 vision	17:55
nuvolari	Maaz: meeting.agenda	17:56
Maaz	nuvolari: meeting.agenda is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/716/detail/	17:56
nuvolari	thot,s eld	17:57
nuvolari	er	17:57
nuvolari	That's old	17:57
nuvolari	Maaz: forget about meeting.agenda	17:58
Maaz	nuvolari: I didn't know about about meeting.agenda anyway	17:58
Kilos-	see why i fight modems	17:58
nuvolari	Maaz: meeting.agenda is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/728/detail/	17:58
Maaz	nuvolari: I already know stuff about meeting.agenda	17:58
nuvolari	Maaz: forget about meeting.agenda	17:58
Maaz	nuvolari: I didn't know about about meeting.agenda anyway	17:58
nuvolari	hrr	17:58
nuvolari	Maaz: forget meeting.agenda	17:58
Kilos-	maybe we must add	17:58
Maaz	nuvolari: Okay	17:58
nuvolari	Maaz: meeting.agenda is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/728/detail/	17:58
Maaz	nuvolari: If you say so	17:58
Kilos-	nuvolari hulle baklei met my	17:59
=== Kilos- is now known as Kilos
nuvolari	wie baklei met oom?	17:59
Kilos	almal	17:59
* nuvolari haal sy boks-handskoene uit		18:00
nuvolari	wie's almal? en hoekom baklei hulle?	18:00
Kilos	ek het n social kanaal vir ons gemaak en hulle vloek my	18:00
inetpro	ai!	18:00
inetpro	wie's hulle?	18:00
Kilos	rofl	18:00
Kilos	whew i enjoyed that laugh	18:01
nuvolari	is oom Kilos seker dit is nie chinees of hubreeus nie?	18:01
Kilos	nee man maar dis nie ofisiaal nie	18:01
nuvolari	*hebreeus	18:01
* inetpro invited the public to join our meeting		18:01
Kilos	##ubuntu-za-social	18:01
nuvolari	*ofisieël	18:01
nuvolari	ek dink	18:01
Kilos	oh was it you inetpro	18:02
Kilos	ja nuvolari daai ding	18:02
inetpro	Kilos: ja oom	18:02
Kilos	waar is almal dan	18:02
nuvolari	ek kan nie die volgende meeting op die maandag maak nie	18:03
nuvolari	31 Maart	18:03
inetpro	Kilos: ons bewys maar net dat niemand dit lees nie :-)	18:03
inetpro	nuvolari: hoekom Maandag?	18:03
nuvolari	ugh	18:04
nuvolari	my klok werk nie	18:04
nuvolari	maar daai week van die 31ste is ek oor die waters	18:04
nuvolari	wel, op die water :P	18:04
Kilos	you need to gilt edge invitations in todays world	18:04
inetpro	nuvolari: wel ek dink die volgende vergadering moet op 25 Maart plaasvind	18:05
inetpro	Dinsdag	18:05
nuvolari	okei	18:05
inetpro	elke 4de Dinsdag van die maand	18:05
nuvolari	oh, nie laaste Dinsdag nie?	18:07
nuvolari	hmm, Februarie en Maart was 'n vreemde 2 maande	18:07
nuvolari	*is en gaan wees	18:07
Kilos	waar is die apie	18:08
Kilos	hy het die pos beantwoord	18:08
Kilos	hy moet my epos adres leen lyk my	18:08
Kilos	is daar 5 dinsdae in maart	18:08
Kilos	nee man laaste dinsdag is selle as die vierde	18:09
Kilos	i dont have enough emaill addies for you okes	18:09
inetpro	Kilos: nee, ons het gesê elke 4de Dinsdag	18:10
Kilos	is dit nie die selle ding nie inetpro ?	18:11
inetpro	In April is daar 5 Dinsdae, dus die volgende vergadering op 22 April	18:11
Kilos	o april has 5	18:11
Kilos	sorry	18:11
Kilos	i still had 2013 calender showing	18:11
Kilos	nuvolari elke 4rde dinsdag van die maand	18:12
Kilos	skuus man	18:12
kbmonkey_	hello Kilos	18:12
nuvolari	Waag wag wag, laat ons eers met Februarie en maart klaar maak voor April	18:12
Kilos	wb kbmonkey_	18:12
nuvolari	kbmonkey_!	18:12
inetpro	en Julie, September en Desember	18:12
nuvolari	howdy :D	18:12
Kilos	kbmonkey_ you are chair next month	18:12
kbmonkey_	did you start already?	18:13
Kilos	nope 20.30	18:13
=== kbmonkey_ is now known as kbmonkey
* nuvolari is nie meer goed genoeg nie :-/		18:13
nuvolari	:P	18:13
nuvolari	nuwe 'ou-bloed'?	18:13
Kilos	jy se dan jy gaan oor die water wees	18:13
nuvolari	31 Maart to 1 April	18:14
nuvolari	ek is die 24ste nog hier	18:14
Kilos	oh then you here so you be the chair still then	18:14
nuvolari	unless kbmonkey wants to bang the drums?	18:14
* Kilos hides his head		18:14
nuvolari	oh hi chaser__	18:14
kbmonkey	fyi I am on a tty no X so no web browser	18:15
nuvolari	elinks?	18:15
Kilos	hi chaser__ welcome to ubuntu-za	18:15
nuvolari	lynx?	18:15
kbmonkey	the loco page does not work with text based browsers :(	18:15
Kilos	how are you kbmonkey	18:15
Kilos	long time no see	18:16
kbmonkey	ty Kilos	18:16
chaser__	Hi thanks. My first time here	18:16
nuvolari	I don't believe you :P	18:16
kbmonkey	I was what the military would call awol or mia	18:16
nuvolari	welcome chaser__	18:16
chaser__	wont be able to contribute much... Busy at the moment	18:16
nuvolari	hope you enjoy your stay	18:16
Kilos	re here all day everyday	18:17
Kilos	we	18:17
Kilos	sjoe	18:17
Kilos	we are	18:17
charl_	kbmonkey: what the heck are you up to ?! :)	18:17
Kilos	the monkey must be chasing chicksa	18:17
kbmonkey	ya ya nuvolari. I pulled new version of i3 window manager and ond build it failed as it uses newer libraries than I have - whoops	18:17
Kilos	chicks	18:17
theblazehen	kbmonkey, you tried bspwm?	18:18
Kilos	what happened your crash bang thing	18:18
kbmonkey	Kilos, no that is not the case	18:18
kbmonkey	same one Kilos	18:18
theblazehen	mining on middlecoin	18:19
Kilos	then get a proper browser for meets man	18:19
theblazehen	wrong chat	18:19
Kilos	haha	18:19
kbmonkey	no theblazehen I have not used bspwm	18:19
Kilos	beware them coin things get you banned on freenode	18:19
theblazehen	Kilos, oh?	18:19
theblazehen	#bitcoin seems to still be here	18:20
Kilos	private_user was banned today	18:20
theblazehen	Kilos, what'd he say?	18:20
Kilos	Golynx what was the prob	18:20
nuvolari	good gried , I'm cooking	18:20
nuvolari	*grief	18:20
Kilos	he was chatting to me	18:20
kbmonkey	I may have openbox on here somewhere	18:20
Kilos	they said it does something on freenode	18:20
Kilos	he's running some sort of *coin client as well, which is trying to use IRC as a bootstrap method	18:21
Golynx	Kilos its his client , freenode have issues with such clients that bootstrap their servers	18:22
Kilos	ja but he was here on pidgin	18:22
Kilos	hi smile	18:22
nuvolari	I'm of the opinion that XFCE has the best balance across lightness, function, aesthetics and general awesomeness	18:22
nuvolari	oh hi smile	18:22
theblazehen	Kilos, thought that was deprecated?	18:22
Kilos	whats that theblazehen	18:22
theblazehen	no longer used	18:23
theblazehen	IRC bootstrap	18:23
Kilos	i went to freenode and asked them why they banned him	18:23
Golynx	nuvolari: true :)	18:23
Golynx	i like Xfce its awesome	18:23
smile	hi :p	18:23
smile	you're all so fast :o	18:23
Golynx	hi smile	18:23
smile	Golynx: so it is :)	18:23
Golynx	hi theblazehen	18:23
smile	whisker menu! :D	18:23
theblazehen	hey Golynx	18:24
theblazehen	hey smile	18:24
smile	hi theblazehen, Kilos, nuvolari and Golynx	18:25
Kilos	smile dont forget the pro	18:25
inetpro	Kilos: haha	18:25
inetpro	hi smile	18:25
Kilos	hehe	18:25
Kilos	are you ready nuvolari	18:26
nuvolari	inetpro: want to set up the event for next month?	18:26
Kilos	are you here superfly ?	18:26
nuvolari	@ inetpro: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/743/detail/	18:26
nuvolari	DON'T use the 743 agenda for tonight, it's for next month	18:27
nuvolari	just a note of caution	18:27
inetpro	nuvolari: oh wow	18:27
inetpro	you are organised!	18:27
inetpro	np	18:28
inetpro	and thanks	18:28
nuvolari	heh, not really, just trying to win some time :P	18:28
Kilos	quick cuppa before meet starts	18:28
Kilos	Maaz coffee on	18:28
* Maaz starts grinding coffee		18:28
charl_	Maaz: coffee please	18:28
Maaz	charl_: Done	18:28
nuvolari	eek! going to put on the kettle and kick out my shoes	18:28
nuvolari	brb	18:28
charl_	at least we get freshly ground coffee	18:28
inetpro	Maaz: coffee please	18:28
Maaz	inetpro: Done	18:28
Kilos	Maaz large	18:29
Maaz	In a beer mug just for you Kilos	18:29
charl_	Kilos: you gonna drink that coffee like a litre of oktoberfest beer?	18:29
inetpro	charl_: welcome to #ubuntu-za, hope you'll be back on a regular basis	18:30
inetpro	oops	18:30
Kilos	i drink tea all day inna beer mug	18:30
inetpro	chaser___: welcome to #ubuntu-za, hope you'll be back on a regular basis	18:30
charl_	inetpro: thanks you are too kind but i am already here on a regular basis :)	18:30
inetpro	sorry chaser___	18:30
inetpro	and charl_	18:30
charl_	lol	18:30
Kilos	lol	18:30
charl_	i assume you meant chanserv ?	18:30
Kilos	twits	18:30
inetpro	you guys make it difficult for us now	18:30
charl_	lol	18:30
charl_	Maaz: large	18:31
Maaz	In a beer mug just for you charl_	18:31
Kilos	no charl_ welcome our new guy	18:31
inetpro	tab completion fail	18:31
nuvolari	brb	18:31
Kilos	nuvolari ping	18:31
Kilos	time man	18:31
Kilos	grrrr	18:31
inetpro	hmm...	18:31
chaser___	thanks, will be marking the next one my calendar	18:31
smile	hi inetpro :p	18:32
smile	it's busy here :o	18:32
charl_	hi chaser___ :)	18:32
charl_	hi smile	18:32
Maaz	Coffee's ready for Kilos, charl_ and inetpro!	18:32
charl_	Maaz: danke	18:32
Maaz	Bitteschön	18:32
nuvolari	Maaz: start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting February 2014	18:32
* Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles		18:32
Kilos	Maaz danke	18:32
Maaz	Bitteschön	18:32
inetpro	chaser___: you don't have to wait for the meeting	18:32
nuvolari	Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt	18:32
Maaz	nuvolari: Yessir	18:32
Kilos	Maaz I am Miles Sharpe	18:32
Maaz	Kilos: Okay	18:32
nuvolari	oh hi bytjie :)	18:32
inetpro	people are here every day	18:32
charl_	Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk	18:32
Maaz	charl_: Okay	18:32
Kilos	hiya maiatoday	18:32
maiatoday	hi nuvolari	18:32
Kilos	wb	18:32
maiatoday	Maaz I am Maia Grotepass	18:32
Maaz	maiatoday: Yessir	18:32
charl_	hi maiatoday	18:32
inetpro	Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer	18:33
Maaz	inetpro: Alrighty	18:33
kbmonkey	thank you nuvolari	18:33
chaser___	does this chat run daily?	18:33
superfly	Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman	18:33
Maaz	superfly: Yessir	18:33
maiatoday	hi charl_	18:33
kbmonkey	Maaz, I am Wesley Werner	18:33
Maaz	kbmonkey: Sure	18:33
nuvolari	Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction	18:33
Maaz	Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction	18:33
Kilos	yes chaser___	18:33
Kilos	all day every day	18:33
nuvolari	Agenda for today's meeting: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/728/detail/	18:33
superfly	chaser___: it's IRC, it never stops	18:33
nuvolari	Welcome to tonight's meeting everyone	18:33
nuvolari	welcome to all the new people!	18:33
Kilos	ty mr. chair	18:33
theblazehen	Maaz: I am Jeandre Henderson	18:34
Maaz	theblazehen: Okay	18:34
chaser___	;) i feel like i am back in 2001	18:34
nuvolari	We hope you feel welcome and please tell us when you need some help	18:34
* nuvolari drops a pin		18:35
chaser___	my chat window is not always auto scrolling... any ideas?	18:35
charl_	chaser___: which client are you using?	18:35
Kilos	what client?	18:35
Kilos	lopl	18:35
Kilos	lol too	18:35
nuvolari	chaser___: get weechat :P	18:35
chaser___	chrome	18:35
charl_	hmmm sorry not familiar with that client, i use irssi	18:36
Kilos	chaser___ what os?	18:36
nuvolari	irssi is for masochists	18:36
nuvolari	:P	18:36
inetpro	charl_: he's on live chat in the browser	18:36
charl_	oh ! now i get it, the freenode web client	18:36
charl_	never used that either :/	18:36
charl_	nuvolari: irssi is for people who know how to use the keyboard :P	18:37
inetpro	charl_: http://ubuntu-za.org/irc-live-chat	18:37
Kilos	irssi is for peeps that can only see black and white text	18:37
chaser___	I am in a chrome browser, on windowss atm	18:37
nuvolari	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_clients	18:37
superfly	yo Vince-0	18:37
nuvolari	hello and welcome Vince-0	18:37
Vince-0	Maaz, I am Vincent Swart	18:37
Maaz	Vince-0: Yessir	18:37
Kilos	hi Vince-0	18:38
nuvolari	ok, moving on?	18:38
charl_	inetpro: oh qwebirc... ok	18:38
charl_	running inside of chrome	18:38
theblazehen	hey Vince-0	18:38
inetpro	very useful to introduce new users to our channel	18:39
charl_	yeah web based is good for new users	18:39
Kilos	ai!	18:39
Kilos	only on windows	18:39
inetpro	obviously you would want to use a decent client very quickly	18:40
charl_	not necessarily, there is https://www.irccloud.com/ which some people use as their primary client	18:40
Kilos	chaser___ you can get pidgin for windows and use that for irc and other im goodies	18:40
theblazehen	Kilos, or xchat for windows	18:41
charl_	but afaik that is not an open source client but a subscription service	18:41
Kilos	some say you gotta pay now	18:41
charl_	theblazehen: i think you would use hexchat for windows instead... ?	18:41
Kilos	hexchat	18:41
* nuvolari checks out qwebirc and irccloud		18:41
theblazehen	charl_, yeah, might be better	18:41
charl_	bah xchat for windows is shareware ?!	18:42
theblazehen	Using hexchat on linux atm	18:42
charl_	theblazehen: on which distro? i tried to install it today on ubuntu 13.10 but failed	18:42
theblazehen	charl_, arch	18:42
theblazehen	hey magespawn	18:42
inetpro	nuvolari: the floor is yours, you still here?	18:42
charl_	theblazehen: i was using the ppa but after adding it and running apt-get update it said the repo is invalid	18:42
magespawn	back again	18:43
* nuvolari feels ignored		18:43
nuvolari	cough	18:43
nuvolari	:P	18:43
nuvolari	ok, moving on!	18:43
Kilos	haha	18:43
nuvolari	Maaz: topic Review Previous Minutes	18:43
Maaz	Current Topic: Review Previous Minutes	18:43
theblazehen	charl_, ah, thats sucks.. You advice there, sorry	18:43
Kilos	link nuvolari	18:43
maiatoday	I had an action on the previous meeting	18:43
nuvolari	right, I think the most interesting part from the last meeting was superfly's questionaire	18:43
nuvolari	http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-01-28-18-31-37.txt	18:44
nuvolari	link ^^	18:44
superfly	"pointed discussion" :-P	18:44
nuvolari	fair enough	18:44
maiatoday	I had to check when we have to do a loco health check again.	18:44
maiatoday	We received an email about this and I answered the questions and passed the email onto the mailing list	18:44
nuvolari	I'm sure that raised some interest in the matter on local grounds	18:44
Kilos	oh yes maiatoday	18:44
maiatoday	I haven't heard anything from the loco after I answered the mail and also I didn't get any response on the email list so I am expecting we are good for now	18:45
* nuvolari holds breath		18:45
maiatoday	I'll keep an eye out on the email but I don't think we have to do anything at the moment	18:45
Kilos	yay	18:45
Kilos	ty	18:46
nuvolari	we have to thank oom Kilos and the others that join him during the day for keeping our logs hot	18:46
nuvolari	:D	18:46
inetpro	maiatoday: thanks for the efforts	18:46
maiatoday	pleasure, I'll keep everyone posted if the situation changes	18:47
Kilos	wb chaser1	18:47
chaser1	ty, dont know what happened there..	18:48
* inetpro votes +1 to approve the minutes		18:48
nuvolari	Anytihng else from the minutes?	18:48
chaser1	what client should i download for windows?	18:48
theblazehen	chaser1, hexchat	18:48
inetpro	chaser1: you could even use pidgin as well	18:49
nuvolari	ok, moving on	18:49
nuvolari	Maaz: topic Administrativia & Announcements	18:49
Maaz	Current Topic: Administrativia & Announcements	18:49
nuvolari	Anyone?	18:50
nuvolari	we'll get to your point just now oom Kilos	18:50
inetpro	everything rolling smoothly	18:50
Kilos	np	18:50
inetpro	I see the website is back in operation	18:50
nuvolari	I am not aware of any announcements or admin issues	18:50
inetpro	thanks to superfly?	18:51
* nuvolari checks out the site		18:51
superfly	I did nothing, I must confess	18:51
inetpro	hmm... fixed itself?	18:51
superfly	you'd have to ask tumbleweed	18:51
magespawn	are we not identifying?	18:51
* nuvolari blames social media for the burden of updating websites		18:52
Kilos	we did magespawn	18:52
inetpro	magespawn: we're almost halfway through the meeting	18:52
nuvolari	it used to be quick, now social media make updating sites feel like taking forever	18:52
magespawn	wow	18:52
magespawn	Maaz I am Greg Eames	18:53
Maaz	magespawn: Alrighty	18:53
Kilos	haha	18:53
magespawn	seriously i did not even see one id	18:53
nuvolari	Maaz: topic Administrativia & Announcements - Nicks (miles.sharpe)	18:53
Maaz	Current Topic: Administrativia & Announcements - Nicks (miles.sharpe)	18:53
Kilos	lol	18:53
nuvolari	oom Kilos, the floor is yours	18:54
Kilos	you on windows magespawn	18:54
Kilos	no man not me	18:54
magespawn	nope just a bit of a dodgy connection	18:54
Kilos	oh ya that thing	18:54
* nuvolari tiptoes away to get coffee		18:54
Kilos	it was the pros idea	18:54
Kilos	right peeps the proposal is to allow only registered nicks in here	18:55
Kilos	but switchable	18:55
inetpro	hmm...	18:55
inetpro	even though I mentioned the option when I noticed other channels like #centos doing it I don't think it is worthwile for us to do it	18:55
Kilos	i think its a good idea if left off until needed	18:56
maiatoday	what is the frequency of weird non code of conduct behaviour at the moment	18:56
maiatoday	why do we want only registered people in here?	18:56
Kilos	fine atm maiatoday	18:56
inetpro	just thought it was interesting that they use it	18:56
Kilos	we just has one bad day and night	18:56
maiatoday	if we are having lots of incidents with weird behaviour we can make it nick registered and see if it helps	18:57
maiatoday	if not I propose we don't	18:57
nuvolari	I support maiatoday	18:57
maiatoday	unless there was another reason for switching it on	18:57
charl_	what incident was this, when? i never saw any big problem in here	18:57
charl_	but then i don't always idle here either, only on and off	18:57
maiatoday	we don't want barriers to stop people joining in	18:57
charl_	i don't even have a registered nick	18:58
kbmonkey	I agree with maiatoday you will get problems from people using the webchat	18:58
superfly	there was just one particularly disruptive person about 2 months ago, but we got it all sorted	18:58
nuvolari	off with his head!	18:58
Kilos	i agree maiatoday but if its switchable and left off then its easy to switch on	18:58
* nuvolari didn't say that		18:58
Kilos	ask the fly about the prob	18:58
* inetpro was hoping that highvoltage would be here this evening to express his opinion on the matter as the founder of this channel		18:58
maiatoday	ok that's cool too	18:58
charl_	one two months ago... that is hardly any cause of concern	18:58
kbmonkey	as alternative I propose we give Kilos ops to kick trouble makers	18:59
Kilos	no	18:59
nuvolari	+1	18:59
charl_	kbmonkey: i second that	18:59
nuvolari	yes	18:59
Kilos	the fly spent all day and night kicking the oke	18:59
nuvolari	you're our guardian oom Kilos	18:59
Kilos	and he will be back	18:59
maiatoday	I was just going to ask do we have enough ops around to kick	18:59
nuvolari	we're not around to do all of that	18:59
Kilos	much easier to just turn on a switch for registered nicks only	19:00
nuvolari	banning people will only result in them comping back for revenge	19:00
kbmonkey	true Kilos nothing stops them from coming back	19:00
maiatoday	so maybe we should just make sure there are enough ops that are pingable and I think Kilos is a good candidate to get ops since he is around a lot	19:00
maiatoday	ok then both, a switch and more ops	19:00
Kilos	superfly tell them'	19:00
charl_	why the switch... efnet, ircnet etc don't even have services	19:01
charl_	and they also work fine	19:01
Kilos	he was an expert irc user and gave fly and pro lotsa grief	19:01
charl_	i agree with more ops but disagree with the switch	19:01
nuvolari	or we can all go oback to mailing lists only :P	19:01
superfly	Kilos: he was hardly an expert IRC user	19:01
superfly	I don't think we need to worry about registered nicks	19:01
Kilos	ok	19:02
Kilos	was your time wasted	19:02
superfly	maybe one more op, but I think that even that is probably overkill	19:02
kbmonkey	in the end: do not feed the trolls. they get bored quicker that way.	19:02
charl_	i don't think it's a bad idea to make some of the regulars here like Kilos ops	19:03
charl_	kbmonkey: exactly	19:03
inetpro	we have 9 ops at the moment, though not all of them active	19:03
charl_	inetpro: that's the problem, most of them aren't	19:03
charl_	*most of you	19:03
charl_	but i have honestly never witnessed a single incident here	19:03
maiatoday	ok maybe we refresh the ops list a bit, and add some people who are around	19:04
charl_	os it's not like it's a big problem	19:04
Kilos	superfly you remember the date	19:04
Golynx	just dont entertain such people who looks for attention that way	19:04
Kilos	let charl_ go look	19:04
superfly	Kilos: quite frankly, I don't care. I'm happy to just move on.	19:04
Kilos	ok	19:04
maiatoday	I can't remember if I am on the list, but if I am, I've forgotten how to use the commands :( but if you need to ping me Kilos I am happy to help if I can	19:05
superfly	I think we're making a mountain out of a mole hill and spending more effort discussing it than it is actually worth	19:05
inetpro	I think we should be fine for now	19:05
nuvolari	+1	19:05
Kilos	ok im easy move on nuvolari	19:05
charl_	+1	19:05
nuvolari	Maaz: agreed nick registration not a requirement for the time being	19:06
Maaz	Agreed: nick registration not a requirement for the time being	19:06
nuvolari	Maaz: topic Events	19:06
Maaz	Current Topic: Events	19:06
nuvolari	hmm, I missed the first DLUG meeting :(	19:06
nuvolari	kbmonkey: did you go?	19:06
nuvolari	hello spinza	19:07
kbmonkey	Missed it as well nuvolari	19:07
nuvolari	meh. Next time	19:07
nuvolari	anyone having events to share?	19:07
nuvolari	this seems like a dead spot this month	19:08
maiatoday	We can start thinking about a release party, Trusty is an LTS so maybe it would be fun to have another party. The release date is 17 April.	19:08
maiatoday	Also there was a presentation at Monash, I saw on the mailing list.	19:08
inetpro	looking further ahead, we've had talks today of ideas to arrange SFD at the Gautrain station in Pretoria this year	19:08
nuvolari	ooh, not too far away!	19:08
maiatoday	look here for upcoming possible events http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/	19:09
inetpro	SFD happens on the 20th September 2014	19:10
inetpro	for those of you who might want to be part of that planning, please talk to Karl Fisher	19:11
nuvolari	ok, nothing more on events?	19:13
kbmonkey	no nothing from this side	19:13
nuvolari	ok, moving along	19:14
nuvolari	seems like people are drifting off	19:14
superfly	nothing that I know (or can think) of	19:14
inetpro	oh there is of course also HFD	19:14
kbmonkey	yes sorry, this fever is making me dozie	19:14
nuvolari	HFD?	19:14
inetpro	Hardware Freedom Day on 15 March	19:15
inetpro	never seen this before but it could be interesting	19:15
charl_	haven't heard of it but this is a good topic right now post-nsa	19:16
nuvolari	there's been some active house4hack posts on G+	19:16
charl_	particularly when it comes to firmware	19:16
nuvolari	loooks interesting!	19:16
inetpro	that happens even before our next meeting	19:17
Kilos	Maaz google hardware freedom day	19:17
Maaz	Kilos: "Hardware Freedom Day - Home" http://www.hfday.org/ :: "Hardware Freedom Day - About HFD" http://www.hfday.org/hfd :: "Hardware Freedom Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_Freedom_Day :: "Hardware Freedom Day" http://www.hardwarefreedomday.org/ :: "Hardware Freedom Day (hardwarefreedom) on Twitter"	19:17
Maaz	https://twitter.com/hardwarefreedom :: "Digital Freedom Foundation - Announcing Hardware Freedom Day ..." …	19:17
nuvolari	ok, I'm going to skip the next 2 topics. Is everyone OK with that? Unless there is something someone wants to discuss around them (The Current state of Interent in South Africa - Continued, and Ways to help the Ubuntu Community)	19:18
nuvolari	the latter was requested by eyesonly, who is not around	19:18
* inetpro has nothing to add for now		19:18
maiatoday	I am ok with that	19:18
Kilos	he hasnt been back since suggesting that nuvolari	19:18
Kilos	write it off	19:18
nuvolari	hmm	19:18
nuvolari	ok	19:18
nuvolari	:-/ we need to keep people here	19:19
superfly	yep, you can skip	19:19
nuvolari	maybe we should ask new people what they want to see in here	19:19
kbmonkey	it will be interesting to find out what laptops are available with free firmwares	19:19
Kilos	i dont know what happened to him	19:19
nuvolari	Maaz: topic Miscellaneous	19:19
Maaz	Current Topic: Miscellaneous	19:19
nuvolari	Anything from anyone?	19:20
nuvolari	random topic	19:20
nuvolari	for laughs	19:20
nuvolari	http://xkcd.com/178/	19:21
Kilos	kbmonkey why you been so scarce	19:22
maiatoday	ubuntu 6.10 no less :)	19:22
kbmonkey	Kilos, because I am like a desert flower?	19:23
inetpro	ai!	19:23
Kilos	grrrr	19:23
nuvolari	lol... "I have found the perfect phrase for condescendingly dismissing anything: 'Have you seen the new Ubuntu release?', 'Nah, I'm not really into Pokémon'" :P	19:23
nuvolari	ok, nearing the end	19:24
nuvolari	Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting	19:24
Maaz	Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting	19:24
kbmonkey	ubuntu 14.04 pika pickachu?	19:24
nuvolari	lol!	19:24
nuvolari	+1 kbmonkey	19:24
charl_	let's face it any name is better than saucy salamander	19:24
Kilos	inetpro Maaz needs updating with ubuntu releases	19:25
charl_	when i saw the name of the current ubuntu release i got grossed out immediately	19:25
kbmonkey	I'd tell a linux joke but my brain is on low gear.	19:25
nuvolari	Something fishy?	19:25
nuvolari	wb magespawn	19:25
charl_	wb magespawn	19:25
Kilos	wb magespawn	19:25
Kilos	hehe	19:25
nuvolari	I'm around for the next meeting	19:25
inetpro	Kilos: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases	19:25
magespawn	fastest meeting i have ever had	19:26
nuvolari	so... if you're still happy with me, I'm up for it :)	19:26
magespawn	was like 10 minutes	19:26
magespawn	+1	19:26
maiatoday	you are doing a good job nuvolari I vote for you	19:26
inetpro	+1 for nuvolari	19:26
Kilos	no man inetpro maaz needs the info	19:26
nuvolari	okies	19:26
kbmonkey	nuvolari, I be on standby for chair	19:27
Kilos	ty nuvolari	19:27
nuvolari	Maaz: agreed Chair for next meeting: ~johanmynhardt	19:27
Maaz	Agreed: Chair for next meeting: ~johanmynhardt	19:27
Golynx	+1 cent	19:27
kbmonkey	+1 tiekkie	19:27
nuvolari	Maaz: agreed Chair standby: ~kbmonkey	19:27
Maaz	Agreed: Chair standby: ~kbmonkey	19:27
inetpro	after next meeting kbmonkey or any other brave soul can take the hot seat	19:28
kbmonkey	thank you nuvolari	19:28
nuvolari	Maaz: topic Next meeting: Tuesday, March 25, 2014	19:28
Maaz	Current Topic: Next meeting: Tuesday, March 25, 2014	19:28
Kilos	kbmonkey start warming up then	19:29
nuvolari	maaz: agreed next meeting agenda: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/743/detail/	19:29
Maaz	Agreed: next meeting agenda: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/743/detail/	19:29
kbmonkey	Kilos, Im going to warm up with some med lemon right now	19:29
Kilos	the job belongs to you two	19:29
nuvolari	Maaz: topic Closing	19:29
Maaz	Current Topic: Closing	19:29
kbmonkey	sir yes sir	19:29
nuvolari	Thank you for coming along everyone	19:29
Kilos	hope you get well soon kbmonkey	19:29
maiatoday	hope you feel better kbmonkey	19:29
maiatoday	thanks for chairing nuvolari	19:30
nuvolari	your attendance is valued highly	19:30
inetpro	nuvolari: thanks for another well organised meeting	19:30
Kilos	ty for being here maiatoday	19:30
nuvolari	The community needs people to participate	19:30
nuvolari	we can't do it always and all the time, but every little bit helps	19:30
maiatoday	np thanks everyone else for being here	19:30
Kilos	we miss you you know	19:30
nuvolari	So thank you all for your time and help!	19:30
nuvolari	You're welcome inetpro, and maiatoday :)	19:31
nuvolari	Maaz: end meeting	19:31
Maaz	Meeting Ended	19:31
Maaz	Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-02-25-18-32-23.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-02-25-18-32-23.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-02-25-18-32-23.html	19:31
kbmonkey	Kilos, you must put a shock collar on me to get me on irc more often hey?	19:31
Kilos	lol	19:31
Kilos	ill keep mailing you	19:31
* kbmonkey thumbs up		19:32
charl_	night all	19:33
kbmonkey	thanks nuvolari and maiatoday	19:33
nuvolari	http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/728/detail/ updated with minutes	19:33
superfly	thanks nuvolari	19:33
superfly	and maiatoday	19:33
nuvolari	next meeting: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/743/detail/	19:34
nuvolari	you're welcome kbmonkey and superfly	19:34
nuvolari	Maaz: next.meeting	19:34
Maaz	nuvolari: Huh?	19:34
Kilos	ai!	19:34
nuvolari	Maaz: meeting.next	19:34
Maaz	nuvolari: meeting.next is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/716/detail/	19:34
Kilos	sorry	19:34
nuvolari	Maaz: forget meeting.next	19:34
Maaz	nuvolari: Sure	19:34
kbmonkey	wb Kilos	19:34
nuvolari	Maaz: meeting.next is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/743/detail/	19:34
Maaz	nuvolari: I'll remember that	19:34
Kilos	ty	19:34
magespawn	superfly i forget, spaces are better right, and 4 is the correct number?	19:35
kbmonkey	all the devs but me left work, a lot of workload & cant take sick days. Im off to get some rest, thanks all for a great meeting!	19:35
superfly	magespawn: that is correct	19:36
Kilos	night kbmonkey	19:36
Kilos	ty for attending	19:36
magespawn	cool beans	19:36
magespawn	good night Kilos	19:36
magespawn	woops	19:36
Kilos	night magespawn you also crashing?	19:36
magespawn	good night kbmonkey	19:36
Kilos	lol	19:36
magespawn	no	19:36
kbmonkey	thanks :]	19:37
Golynx	when last was Jonathan Carter here ? google is alive with the guy lol	19:37
superfly	Golynx: he's around at times.	19:37
Kilos	is that the spark superfly	19:38
Golynx	superfly: ok	19:38
superfly	Kilos: yes	19:38
magespawn	busy doing cs50 on edex	19:38
Kilos	ah	19:39
superfly	Golynx: anything in particular?	19:39
Golynx	superfly: someone mentioned highvoltage as the creator of the channel, so i googled him a bit	19:39
superfly	ah, OK	19:40
superfly	he's come a long way...	19:40
Golynx	cool guy, loves the free software world	19:40
inetpro	nuvolari: that meeting agenda's date is incorrect	19:41
nuvolari	:O which one inetpro ?	19:41
inetpro	Maaz: meeting.next	19:42
Maaz	inetpro: meeting.next is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/743/detail/	19:42
inetpro	nuvolari: that ^^ one	19:42
Kilos	lol	19:42
nuvolari	yikes!	19:42
nuvolari	I see	19:42
inetpro	surely 24 Feb was yesterday?	19:42
inetpro	like going forward to the past	19:43
maiatoday	thanks all, g'night all	19:43
Kilos	night maia	19:43
Kilos	sjoe	19:43
nuvolari	there, I fixed it	19:44
inetpro	ty	19:44
Kilos	i think we had a lekker meeting hey guys?	19:45
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Kilos	ty inetpro	19:46
nuvolari	definitief oom Kilos	19:46
nuvolari	net my interwebbe wat haakerig is	19:47
nuvolari	ek tik nou al die 3de lyn en die eerste een het nog nie mooi gestuur nie	19:47
Kilos	dankie vir die goeie stoel werk seun	19:47
Kilos	ai!	19:47
chaser2	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9b2-mchamg	20:06
magespawn	i am also off for now, good night all	20:15
Kilos	night all sleep tight	20:40
chaser2	gn	20:44
Kilos	see you tomorrow chaser2	20:44
chaser2	not tom but some time soon	20:45
Kilos	cool	20:45

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