[11:13] <zequence> cub: As I've said before, we don't have a testing procedure
[11:14] <zequence> cub: I did write an email about testing on the mail list, which explains what we need to do though
[15:09] <zequence> cub: Though, we need to test the beta1 ISO. I'll make an announcement tomorrow about that
[16:57] <knome> zequence, we need to talk.
[16:57] <knome> :)
[21:43] <zequence> knome: I'm in for a little while. Otherwise, I'll have time tomorrow during work hours
[21:44] <knome> tomorrow is better
[21:44] <knome> but yeah, the LTS thing
[21:45] <zequence> knome: Ok. See you tomorrow then :)
[21:45] <knome> yep, good night :)
[21:46] <cub> elfy, are you around?
[21:46] <elfy> ish
[21:46] <elfy> cub:  what's up?
[21:46] <cub> He..I was reading your reply to zequence's email earlier in February about testing and had some questions
[21:47] <cub> you wrote "Someone did create a whole bunch of bugs for Studio Testcases - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bugs?field.tag=ubuntu-studio"
[21:47] <cub> and when I look there it seems it's for all *buntu?
[21:48] <holstein> what is up with the volume control?
[21:48] <holstein> i had a nasty-ish exchange with someone eariler.. but it does seem the volume applet is not working here
[21:48] <zequence> cub: Beta1 is released Thursday. Before that we do the normal routine of testing our ISO. But, additionally, it would be good to test applications individually to find possible bugs
[21:49] <holstein> the desktop is slick! i forget how nice it is right out of the box
[21:49] <cub> zequence, yes I saw your reply in the logs as well.
[21:49] <elfy> can you point me at it ? can't remember exactly what I said 
[21:50] <elfy> oh yea
[21:50] <elfy> chilcuil created bugs for almost everyone I think :)
[21:50] <zequence> holstein: I think that has been fixed, but maybe we need to add something. We'll need to check with the Xubuntu devs. Did you actually test it yourself?
[21:50] <elfy> we had ~60 of them
[21:50] <cub> elfy, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2014-February/005632.html
[21:50] <holstein> zequence: im just in the live environment, to get "stock"
[21:50] <elfy> cub might be wrong link 
[21:50] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bugs?field.tag=ubuntu-studio
[21:50] <elfy> cub: there might be *buntu stuff there as well - the link just picks up those that 'have' a studio tag
[21:50] <holstein> zequence: i can do a fresh install and uprade stock, though, and see
[21:51] <elfy> cub: yep - I found that mail here - just re-read it
[21:51] <elfy> though I've not made any start on your things - been a bit busy of late with our stuff and r/l
[21:51] <cub> ok but if I was to create a test case as the manual test instructions, that wouldn't be "ubuntu studio only" right?
[21:52] <elfy> cub: ok how 'we've' worked it is - if we do something that is xubuntu specific - we make it so - that is it might reference our menu's etc
[21:53] <elfy> but something that's default for other flavours - you make them agnostic
[21:53] <elfy> but bear in mind that this is really about 'default apps' so hydrogen for instance could be written with -studio in mind
[21:54] <knome> imo, you can expect people know how to find app X to launch
[21:54] <knome> so even if it isn't exactly like it's written on the testcase... it should be okay
[21:54] <knome> usage for the apps is the same for every flavor anyway
[21:54] <elfy> then when you have your group of default app testcases - you can create testsuites with specific tests in them
[21:55] <knome> elfy, not unless they have the permissions to do that
[21:55] <elfy> cub:  for instance all our tests are in testsuites like this http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases
[21:55] <elfy> knome: yep - just talking generally 
[21:55] <knome> yep.
[21:56] <cub> yes I was checking through the xubuntu testsuites
[21:56] <elfy> cub it works like - product ->testsuite -> testcases
[21:56] <elfy> I'm more than happy to work with you if you want with this 
[21:57] <cub> I would like to, I'm not sure how much time I will have available with the beta coming up
[21:57] <knome> to be honest, it looks to me like you'll have to wait until U to get these done
[21:58] <elfy> yep - I'd agree with that
[21:58] <zequence> holstein: Alright. There may be some kernel problems. Some drivers cause issues. Being worked at.
[21:58] <elfy> cub: it depends on how deep you want a test to go to be honest
[21:59] <elfy> some of ours are really simple - others go on and on and on - I'm looking at those to see what can be shaved tbh 
[21:59] <cub> holstein, wow that was some frustrated user with the volume control discussion
[22:00] <cub> elfy, do they change much between the releases? It seems a lot of work has been put into every case
[22:00] <elfy> not much 
[22:00] <knome> not really unless an app gets a complete rewrite
[22:01] <elfy> I think we've changed very few because of changes - we've had some testcase bugs mostly
[22:01] <elfy> then - this cycle we're going to get whisker-menu - which will change a few testcase
[22:02] <elfy> so - it really is the work needed in the first instance - we were really lucky to have half a dozen people willing to put that time in 
[22:02] <elfy> but it did take much of the saucy cycle 
[22:05] <elfy> cub: I subscribed to your -dev m/l , so we can talk on there as well
[22:07] <cub> sry got a phone call
[22:07] <elfy> that's ok - I don't mind :)
[22:08] <elfy> I got another drink :)
[22:08] <cub> oh I wish!
[22:16] <cub> thanks elfy and knome for the information, I'll do some more reading!
[22:17] <knome> no problem
[22:21] <elfy> cub: you're welcome - I'm generally about if you need anything, if I'm not you can either catch me on the m/l or shout at forestpiskie in the xubuntu channels and I see that in the morning
[22:22] <cub> ok, thanks!
[22:22] <elfy> alternatively piskie can sit in here as well - which is probably more sensible :)
[22:22] <elfy> 30 second lag it seems
[22:28] <cub> huija72
[22:28] <cub> ah wrong chat.
[23:10] <holstein> zequence: cool.. thats what i suggested to the user
[23:11] <holstein> or, tried to at least..