[11:13] cub: As I've said before, we don't have a testing procedure [11:14] cub: I did write an email about testing on the mail list, which explains what we need to do though [15:09] cub: Though, we need to test the beta1 ISO. I'll make an announcement tomorrow about that [16:57] zequence, we need to talk. [16:57] :) [21:43] knome: I'm in for a little while. Otherwise, I'll have time tomorrow during work hours [21:44] tomorrow is better [21:44] but yeah, the LTS thing [21:45] knome: Ok. See you tomorrow then :) [21:45] yep, good night :) [21:46] elfy, are you around? [21:46] ish [21:46] cub: what's up? [21:46] He..I was reading your reply to zequence's email earlier in February about testing and had some questions [21:47] you wrote "Someone did create a whole bunch of bugs for Studio Testcases - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bugs?field.tag=ubuntu-studio" [21:47] and when I look there it seems it's for all *buntu? [21:48] what is up with the volume control? [21:48] i had a nasty-ish exchange with someone eariler.. but it does seem the volume applet is not working here [21:48] cub: Beta1 is released Thursday. Before that we do the normal routine of testing our ISO. But, additionally, it would be good to test applications individually to find possible bugs [21:49] the desktop is slick! i forget how nice it is right out of the box [21:49] zequence, yes I saw your reply in the logs as well. [21:49] can you point me at it ? can't remember exactly what I said [21:50] oh yea [21:50] chilcuil created bugs for almost everyone I think :) [21:50] holstein: I think that has been fixed, but maybe we need to add something. We'll need to check with the Xubuntu devs. Did you actually test it yourself? [21:50] we had ~60 of them [21:50] elfy, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2014-February/005632.html [21:50] zequence: im just in the live environment, to get "stock" [21:50] cub might be wrong link [21:50] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bugs?field.tag=ubuntu-studio [21:50] cub: there might be *buntu stuff there as well - the link just picks up those that 'have' a studio tag [21:50] zequence: i can do a fresh install and uprade stock, though, and see [21:51] cub: yep - I found that mail here - just re-read it [21:51] though I've not made any start on your things - been a bit busy of late with our stuff and r/l [21:51] ok but if I was to create a test case as the manual test instructions, that wouldn't be "ubuntu studio only" right? [21:52] cub: ok how 'we've' worked it is - if we do something that is xubuntu specific - we make it so - that is it might reference our menu's etc [21:53] but something that's default for other flavours - you make them agnostic [21:53] but bear in mind that this is really about 'default apps' so hydrogen for instance could be written with -studio in mind [21:54] imo, you can expect people know how to find app X to launch [21:54] so even if it isn't exactly like it's written on the testcase... it should be okay [21:54] usage for the apps is the same for every flavor anyway [21:54] then when you have your group of default app testcases - you can create testsuites with specific tests in them [21:55] elfy, not unless they have the permissions to do that [21:55] cub: for instance all our tests are in testsuites like this http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases [21:55] knome: yep - just talking generally [21:55] yep. [21:56] yes I was checking through the xubuntu testsuites [21:56] cub it works like - product ->testsuite -> testcases [21:56] I'm more than happy to work with you if you want with this [21:57] I would like to, I'm not sure how much time I will have available with the beta coming up [21:57] to be honest, it looks to me like you'll have to wait until U to get these done [21:58] yep - I'd agree with that [21:58] holstein: Alright. There may be some kernel problems. Some drivers cause issues. Being worked at. [21:58] cub: it depends on how deep you want a test to go to be honest [21:59] some of ours are really simple - others go on and on and on - I'm looking at those to see what can be shaved tbh [21:59] holstein, wow that was some frustrated user with the volume control discussion [22:00] elfy, do they change much between the releases? It seems a lot of work has been put into every case [22:00] not much [22:00] not really unless an app gets a complete rewrite [22:01] I think we've changed very few because of changes - we've had some testcase bugs mostly [22:01] then - this cycle we're going to get whisker-menu - which will change a few testcase [22:02] so - it really is the work needed in the first instance - we were really lucky to have half a dozen people willing to put that time in [22:02] but it did take much of the saucy cycle [22:05] cub: I subscribed to your -dev m/l , so we can talk on there as well [22:07] sry got a phone call [22:07] that's ok - I don't mind :) [22:08] I got another drink :) [22:08] oh I wish! [22:16] thanks elfy and knome for the information, I'll do some more reading! [22:17] no problem [22:21] cub: you're welcome - I'm generally about if you need anything, if I'm not you can either catch me on the m/l or shout at forestpiskie in the xubuntu channels and I see that in the morning [22:22] ok, thanks! [22:22] alternatively piskie can sit in here as well - which is probably more sensible :) [22:22] 30 second lag it seems [22:28] huija72 [22:28] ah wrong chat. [23:10] zequence: cool.. thats what i suggested to the user [23:11] or, tried to at least..