[01:28] <jjfrv8> pleia2, thanks for the language answer, I got your e-mail and contacted the writer.
[01:28] <pleia2> jjfrv8: yay :)
[02:00] <micahg> brainwash: is there a new upstream release?
[02:03] <micahg> brainwash: if it's not critical to the beta, I suggest getting the update sponsored into Debian and we can sync post beta 1
[02:25] <knome> not that critical to the beta. freeze was yesterday (monday)
[02:26] <knome> off to bed
[02:26] <knome> nighty!
[05:51] <pleia2> boo, no b1 isos yet, will have to test tomorrow
[05:53]  * Noskcaj points pleia2 to the daily ISOs
[05:57] <pleia2> Noskcaj: yeah yeah :)
[05:58] <pleia2> I actually do have limited time for this, so I want to focus on helping complete testing for the b1 things, tonight I'll just shift to another part of my todo list
[06:32] <AussieDownUnder> Hey guys. Just came across the marketing flyers ect for ubuntu & xubuntu, the one where it mentions windows xp going out of support. I might be interested to volunteer by printing out flyers to hand out, put in letter boxes & put up at community places.
[07:03] <pleia2> AussieDownUnder: that's great!
[07:03] <pleia2> AussieDownUnder: I had about 50 of the US size printed up for a conference this past weekend, went well :)
[07:04] <AussieDownUnder> pleia2, What is US size? Is it larger than A4?
[07:04] <pleia2> AussieDownUnder: wider and shorter
[07:05] <pleia2> I've been collecting photos of the flyers used "in the wild" - none yet from outside the US
[07:05] <elfy> pleia2: I suspect I'll be asking for a b1 rebuild being as how it's not turned up - should be one this evening for you :)
[07:05] <AussieDownUnder> pleia2, oh okay, the standard size here for flyers & letters is A4. Was gonna try & put one up on the shopping mall corkboard, maybe put a few in the letter boxes in my street, then print out a heap to hand out at my next group meetup.
[07:05] <pleia2> elfy: it's after 11pm for me, sleepytime soon
[07:05] <pleia2> AussieDownUnder: yeah, us USians have to be difficult, everyone else uses A4
[07:05] <elfy> tomorrow evening then :)
[07:06] <pleia2> elfy: yes!
[07:06] <pleia2> AussieDownUnder: and that sounds perfect :)
[07:06] <elfy> it's much too early for me to understand timezones ... 
[07:06] <AussieDownUnder> pleia2, so where could I upload a photo for you to collect of the ones I put up around town? Hopefully if I study & stay in a town 20mins away I can also put them up around the study buildings.
[07:06] <pleia2> AussieDownUnder: you can share it on flickr/google/fb or just email it to me: lyz@ubuntu.com and I'll share it around
[07:07] <elfy> knome: can I just request rebuild on the tracker - or do I have to go ask in -release?
[07:07] <AussieDownUnder> pleia2, it will also be a good test for my new printer that's been sitting in its box for 2 months.
[07:08] <pleia2> AussieDownUnder: nice
[07:17] <AussieDownUnder> pleia2, Added you to my contacts in my email so that I don't forget later, also sent you an email just as a test I guess.
[07:17] <pleia2> \o/
[07:17] <AussieDownUnder> Fair well, be back later, I hath chores to do around my house.
[07:18] <AussieDownUnder> pleia2, erm what does that symbol mean? Rock n Roll hand signal?
[07:21] <pleia2> doh
[07:22] <elfy> I guess that symbol means - don't press here :p
[07:23] <pleia2> I think he meant my cheering \o/
[07:23] <elfy> :)
[07:38] <elfy> knome: requested rebuild via the tracker 
[07:54] <Unit193> Don't do "\o/" on Skype, it's a disco dude. :/
[07:54] <elfy> or just don't do skype :p
[08:04] <astraljava> Couldn't you disable emoji in skype?
[08:04] <Unit193> Yes, but the person you are talking to still gets the wrong image.
[08:07] <astraljava> Oh ok. Blah.
[08:08] <Unit193> (Also why I'm using Skype.)
[09:01] <Unit193> Hmmm...  What I'm missing in datetime is a configurable number of clocks under the calendar if you click it, like in gsimplecal.
[09:01] <Unit193> (Is xfce4-datetime-plugin not the default?)
[09:03] <AussieDownUnder> Anyone in here actually on the xubuntu development team by any chance?
[09:04] <elfy> lotsa
[09:04] <elfy> them
[09:04] <Unit193> ^ He is.
[09:05] <elfy> so is he ^
[09:05] <Unit193> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10202 like this I presume, if he's actually thinking of it like gsimplecal.
[09:05] <Unit193> <--- channel weirdo, actually.
[09:05] <elfy> AussieDownUnder: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members#active
[09:06] <elfy> Unit193: there is that too ... 
[09:06] <Unit193> ochosi: I suppose that's not something you'd like/be able to do? :)
[09:07] <AussieDownUnder> Well there you go, I've been talking to 1/4 of you without knowing. I must tell all of my friends how cool I am (kidding).
[09:07] <Unit193> Depends what you mean by Xubuntu dev team, but what's up?
[09:08] <elfy> any talk of voodoo and I'll be off 
[09:11] <AussieDownUnder> :O Was just listening to a Jake E Lee pre Ozzy Osbourne album with a song called Voodoo on it. Do De Do Do Do De Do Do (Twilight zone)
[09:11] <AussieDownUnder> Do you guys/gals all live near each other, ever met or do things together?
[09:12] <Unit193> Nope, nope, nope.
[09:13] <Unit193> (Those are for me, astraljava and knome are pretty close, or were.)
[09:13] <elfy> I'd say the same 
[09:13] <Unit193> Closest to me would have to be mica, I'd say.
[09:15] <AussieDownUnder> So do yol just work on seperate elements of xubuntu or have a live contact when working on stuff?
[09:16] <elfy> we talk to each other in here 
[09:18] <AussieDownUnder> Swoit
[09:19] <AussieDownUnder> Should setup a TeamSpeak server so yous aren't completely text robots.
[09:22] <AussieDownUnder> Do you guys set your own dead lines for the xubuntu updates releases & o/s releases (eg, 14.04) or is there a bit of canonical input in those regards?
[09:23] <elfy> we work with the release schedule 
[09:24] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[09:25] <AussieDownUnder> I was just looking at that. Pretty interesting, the more I log into xubuntu instead of windows the more I learn. Once most of my steam library is supported I'll be on here 24/7
[09:26] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument
[10:21] <AussieDownUnder> I think I've asked this before a couple of weeks ago but I'm probably more understanding of the inner clockworks of xubuntu now to understand whatever yol tell me. Is there something to install that when I press & hold the super key  will bring up a fancy screen which will tell me what hotkeys I have available, something that when I also change what my hotkeys do update automatically & display accurate hotkey list?
[10:51] <ochosi> we had such a project in the works a longer while ago
[10:52] <ochosi> but got distracted by more important tasks
[11:26] <slickymaster-job> -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Xubuntu Desktop amd64 [Trusty Beta 1] (20140225) has been added
[11:26] <slickymaster-job> -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Xubuntu Desktop i386 [Trusty Beta 1] (20140225) has been added
[11:29] <ochosi> hmm, light-locker-settings is still stuck in the queue
[11:39] <sergio-br2> hello
[11:39] <sergio-br2> hey ochosi, i did a request, take a look please
[11:40] <sergio-br2> i will return only after the beta 1
[11:42] <ochosi> sergio-br2: if you'
[11:42] <ochosi> re referring to the mimes96 branch, i already reviewed and merged ;)
[11:42] <ochosi> (finally receiving email-notifications about merge-requests)
[11:43]  * elfy would have swapped with ochosi ... 
[11:44] <ochosi> elfy: swapped what?
[11:44] <ochosi> like changing places?
[11:44] <elfy> getting merge requests 
[11:44] <elfy> yea - you can get all the ones I get :)
[11:44] <ochosi> hehe
[11:45] <ochosi> sergio-br2: no worries, even if we don't finish all 96px mimes, this is *so* much better than what we had already...
[11:45] <sergio-br2> ok
[11:46] <sergio-br2> thanks
[11:46] <ochosi> so have a good time and talk to you when you're back
[11:46] <ochosi> not sure i'll get to much drawing myself
[11:46] <ochosi> but i'll try ;)
[11:46] <sergio-br2> it was fast
[11:46] <sergio-br2> wow
[11:47] <sergio-br2> ok
[11:47] <sergio-br2> thanks!
[11:48] <ochosi> elfy: i've been working alone on the icon-theme for years now, it's really nice to finally get some merge-requests :>
[11:49] <elfy> I don't doubt that at all - I've watched you working on it alone for as long as I've been floating about :)
[11:49]  * ochosi feels like elfy's truman show now
[11:49] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[11:55] <brainwash_> ochosi: beta1 will ship with saucy's xubuntu-artwork package, is the new trusty one stuck in the queue?
[11:55] <ochosi> yup
[11:55] <ochosi> sponsors queue
[11:56] <brainwash_> :(
[12:02] <ochosi> brainwash_: why not become a packager yourself and help out xubuntu? ;)
[12:06] <slickymaster-job> brainwash_: or even a bug triager?
[12:08] <brainwash_> or batman
[12:08] <brainwash_> :)
[12:08] <brainwash_> packaging is not enjoyable for me as of now
[12:08] <brainwash_> bug triager is on my todo list
[12:08]  * elfy puts on installing beta head and is bored already 
[12:15] <AussieDownUnder> perhaps yol could give me things to try & report?
[12:19] <ali1234> try to figure out why thunar crashes
[12:26] <AussieDownUnder> Don't even know what thunar is lol, I think I've seen it in the startup applications though
[12:27] <AussieDownUnder> Yep it's in that auto start session thing
[12:27] <AussieDownUnder> What is Thunar?
[12:28] <slickymaster-job> Thunar is Xubuntu shipped file manager AussieDownUnder 
[12:28] <AussieDownUnder> otay cheers
[12:44] <knome> ochosi, hrrrr, why no tell me we have packages on the queue?
[12:46] <elfy> what package do I need to report a bug for keyboard layout changing between the loginscreen and the desktop ... 
[12:46] <elfy> hi knome 
[12:46] <knome> hey elfy 
[12:47] <knome> elfy, does keyboard layout changing work outside the greeter?
[12:47] <elfy> no even looking at that - when the desktop boots - keyboard is set to US 
[12:48] <slickymaster-job> elfy: keyboard-configuration package?
[12:48] <elfy> which works wonders when your password has symbols ... 
[12:49] <elfy> possibly slickymaster-job 
[12:50] <slickymaster-job> elfy: FWIW https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard
[12:50] <elfy> thanks slickymaster-job 
[12:52] <ochosi> knome: well you know we have >1 pkgs in the queue, it has been like that for quite a while
[12:52] <ochosi> knome: currently it's 7 (http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/)
[12:53] <ochosi> and since xubuntu-artwork wasn't as crucial for b1 as other things...
[12:55] <knome> ugh. right, but ugh
[13:00] <ochosi> it mostly contains icon-updates and the s/13.10/14.04/ in plymouth-text
[13:01] <knome> mhm
[13:01] <knome> elfy, if you intend to do another respin, let me know first (because if you do, we'll get another package updated)
[13:02] <elfy> I doubt if I will - I was just wondering where our images had got to
[13:02] <ochosi> knome: frankly, what bothers me more is that light-locker-settings is still stuck in the upload queue
[14:14] <ochosi> ali1234: you around? tedg just came online
[14:46] <starrats> good morning everyone!  I have installed xubuntu 14.04 Alpha 2 and it's running pretty good.  But today 2 different times I get to the xubuntu desktop and my cursor is frozen, won't move, is there a quick fix for tha or ?  2nd question which is more mundane why abiword and not libreoffice package?
[14:47] <holstein> you mean, why not libreoffice by default?
[14:47] <holstein> you can install libreoffice easily from the repos.. abiword is the chosen default
[14:48] <elfy> starrats: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-January/009615.html
[14:52] <starrats> oka that's the mundane > I have no problem with that, more of a curiosity than any thing else holstein
[14:52] <elfy> as far as a2 is concerned - we've had numerous dailies since then - and if you've been updating you've not got a2 either
[14:52] <elfy> and we're looking at b1 now - do you see the same thing with that - if you do make sure you report it on the tracker
[14:53] <holstein> starrats: likely chosen in the first place for size and lightness
[14:53] <starrats> Thank you elfy for that link I have read it and understand
[14:54] <starrats> But my real question is why my cursor is frozen when I first turn my comp and go to xubuntu desktop?
[14:54] <starrats> Is there something I can do thru cli or ?
[14:55] <holstein> i would try an older kernel.. i would try a different session
[14:56] <starrats> okay will check for new updats, haven't since In stalled a few days ago and I got tons of updates/upgrades/dist-upgrades
[15:00] <elfy> ochosi: well I checked LANG and locale - both report gb, odd
[15:01] <ochosi> elfy: not odd, that means the greeter works
[15:01] <ochosi> locale != keyboard-layout
[15:01] <ochosi> the greeter only controls the locale at the moment
[15:01] <elfy> I meant the bug itself 
[15:02] <elfy> well locale might well be saying GB - but it's not - it's US 
[15:02] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/1284635/comments/5
[15:03] <elfy> never mind - reading != as = there 
[15:04] <ochosi> ok :)
[15:04] <ochosi> ali1234: so it seems we'll have to ship the workaround for now i guess
[15:13] <elfy> knome: what's your view on failing tests for the xfdesktop crash
[15:14] <ochosi> ali1234: sorry, i seem to be forgetting all about the indicator-issues from one discussion to the next :/
[15:14] <ali1234> elfy: xfdesktop is fixed upstream, fwiw
[15:17] <elfy> ali1234: thanks
[15:17] <ali1234> actually, got a link to the lp bug?
[15:18] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1282509
[15:18] <ali1234> ah, already has the upstream report linked
[15:19] <elfy> oh yea - I'd have said that if I knew that's what you were after :)
[15:19] <elfy> ali1234: be useful if someone else with a gb keyboard could confirm bug 1284635
[15:20] <ali1234> i haven't seen that
[15:20] <ali1234> but then i only login about once a month
[15:20] <elfy> :)
[15:20] <ali1234> i guess i can try the ISO
[15:20] <ali1234> there was a bug like this in ubuntu/unity, i think i mentioned it
[15:21] <ali1234> unless this is a new one
[15:24] <elfy> possibly remember you saying something
[15:24] <elfy> not even sure if I've reported it against the right package tbh
[15:26] <ali1234> well, i've got no idea. keyboard layouts is one thing i just don't understand
[15:27] <ali1234> !info console-setup
[15:28] <elfy> :)
[15:30] <ali1234> yeah so console keymaps and X keymaps are totally different - that's one thing i do know
[15:31] <ali1234> i never did figure out how they relate though
[15:47] <ochosi> gottcode: thanks for your email, just replied. mind if i ask you to review the upcoming merge-request that concerns the whiskermenu-settings?
[15:49] <gottcode> ochosi: sure thing, what is involved in that?
[15:50] <ochosi> gottcode: not much, just the switch to defaults.rc in the xfce4-subfolder and checking whether i didn't mess up any options :)
[15:50] <ochosi> always better to have more pairs of eyes on changes
[15:50] <gottcode> happy to help
[15:50] <ochosi> thanks a bunch!
[15:50] <gottcode> you're welcome :)
[15:51] <ochosi> on some days i really wish it would be possible to also search all the stuff that's in the settingsmanager from appfinder/whiskermenu
[15:53] <gottcode> interesting thought, not sure how I would go about adding that
[15:54] <ochosi> yeah, iirc it isn't really (easily) possible
[16:02] <GridCube> http://goput.it/es0f.png is this the wallpaper we are suppose to see on ubiquity?
[16:03] <xnox> hehe
[16:03] <xnox> it used to be something else.
[16:04] <ochosi> indeed
[16:15] <GridCube> ah... should the greeter be white?
[16:16] <ochosi> GridCube: semi-white
[16:16] <slickymaster-job> hey GridCube selling yourself upstream?
[16:16] <GridCube> ?
[16:16] <GridCube> selling?
[16:16] <ali1234> ochosi: why wouldn't that be possible?
[16:16] <ali1234> if i can have them all on a menu, whiskermenu must be able to search them
[16:16] <slickymaster-job> yeah, iso testing debian
[16:17] <GridCube> http://goput.it/jzmy.png
[16:17] <slickymaster-job> ;)
[16:17] <GridCube> like this?
[16:17] <ochosi> ali1234: yeah, frankly, i've forgotten why it wouldn't work :>
[16:17] <ochosi> GridCube: yes
[16:17] <GridCube> :/ what happened to the pretty black  one
[16:25] <brainwash> ali1234: still experimenting with thunar? maybe you could take a look at bug 880533 (in case you get bored of the memory corruption issue)
[16:25] <brainwash> :)
[16:25] <ali1234> hmm... that's ancient... sure it still happens?
[16:25] <brainwash> yes
[16:25] <brainwash> I marked my new report as dupe
[16:26] <brainwash> and there is also another user confirming it in 14.04
[16:30] <GridCube> elfy, virtualbox only had one available resolution, http://goput.it/zmok.png , first opening showed that xfdesktop failed, http://goput.it/9piv.png , that did not show up in later boots, mugshot crashed everytime i tried to change the avatar,  http://goput.it/s1i9.png , the log off menu has a missmatching white border, http://goput.it/524b.png , also the already reported problems with wallpapers and abiwords ruler
[16:30] <ali1234> ...i don't have a trash icon in the panel...?
[16:30] <brainwash> sidebar?
[16:30] <ali1234> oh wait, i see
[16:31] <ali1234> hmm... can't reproduce
[16:31] <brainwash> did you relog?
[16:31] <ali1234> no
[16:32] <brainwash> delete a file, relog, open thunar
[16:33] <elfy> GridCube: yea - I know all about vbox :| but it won't make any difference to running the tests
[16:34] <GridCube> brainwash, tested the trash thing and it says i have 1 item if i reboot or relog, repeated the steps in the last comment of the bug
[16:34] <brainwash> GridCube: no, the logout dialog is meant to be this way, white + grey, just like the login box
[16:34] <GridCube> :/
[16:35] <GridCube> i wont even ask why
[16:35]  * GridCube just dont get it
[16:36] <GridCube> elfy, would this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1282509 be the same i saw as xfdesktop failing?
[16:36] <elfy> yea 
[16:37] <elfy> loads of dupes 
[16:37] <elfy> fixed upstream ali1234 tells me
[16:38] <GridCube> my keyboard doesnt change, i've reloged like 10 times
[16:38] <elfy> keyboard layout do you mean? 
[16:39] <GridCube> i guess
[16:39] <elfy> perhaps it is just when you set kbd to gb 
[16:45] <GridCube> so then i dont report the logout white borders?
[16:45] <ochosi> GridCube: that's the intended look
[16:46] <GridCube> but it looks wrong
[16:47] <GridCube> gah, nevermind i wont report it
[16:47]  * ochosi shrugs
[16:47] <GridCube> yep thats exactly why it wont make any sense reporting it
[16:54] <elfy> ochosi: is whisker-menu definitely replacing the old app menu? 
[16:55] <knome> elfy, yes, that was decided on the meeting
[16:56] <elfy> ok cool - just checking before I start looking at testcases 
[16:56] <knome> elfy, we tweaked the settings a bit yesterday with ochosi, you probably want to make sure you are seeing the latest setup
[16:56] <elfy> not necessary atm 
[17:00] <slickymaster-job> knome: did you just forgot https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/+merge/208035 or is there something in there you wanted tweaked?
[17:01] <knome> slickymaster-job, i just haven't got to it yet :)
[17:02] <slickymaster-job> okie dokie
[17:04] <elfy> knome: actually I'll leave it for the moment and look when we've made a decision on what to have in favourites
[17:12] <knome> elfy, we discussed that, but i'd be in touch with ochosi :)
[17:14] <elfy> yep
[17:30] <Calinou> will there be site translations?
[17:31] <knome> Calinou, if you are asking about xubuntu.org, doesn't look realistic for trusty
[17:33] <Calinou> OK
[17:33] <Calinou> oh, you're the website designer :D
[17:39] <knome> i am
[17:47] <knome> ochosi, GridCube pointed out in -offtopic that the greeter password field could be lighter compared to the background of the top part (compare how the search box stands out more in the settings manager)
[18:26] <starrats> I do not know if this 'useful feedback' but I still have a problem of a frozen cursor at start up on the xubuntu desktop, it's frozen in the middle of the page and nothing works, I have to 'hard crash my laptop to get to windows to do anything?  I believe this is useful feedback also.
[18:27] <holstein> starrats: on 14.04
[18:27] <starrats> yes holstein
[18:28] <starrats> sorry forgot to mention that
[18:29] <holstein> could be related to the graphics driver and the newer kernel..
[18:30] <starrats> is there anything I can do on my  laptop, like a cli thing
[18:31] <starrats> or the ubuntu software 
[18:31] <holstein> starrats: you can try confirming if its graphics related.. check tty after the lockup.. just keep updating.. try older kernels.. try newer ones. etc
[18:32] <starrats> ah okay my friend
[18:32] <starrats> thank you
[18:34] <pleia2> social media-ed the need for testers
[18:34] <holstein> starrats: good luck
[18:35] <starrats> thank you
[18:43] <starrats> holstein was running updates/upgrades and a window popped up with a message to restart or ? one of these items xscreensaver or xlockmore, sorry I do not understand
[18:48] <holstein> starrats: its a commitment. running the pre-release :)
[18:51] <elfy> ty pleia2 
[18:54] <brainwash> starrats: cursor frozen in the middle of the page? you mean after the desktop has been fully loaded?
[18:57] <brainwash> elfy: maybe it's ibus changing your kb layout
[18:59] <brainwash> knome: can you link the beta 1 pad please?
[18:59] <brainwash> or anyone :)
[19:00] <knome> /lastlog beta1
[19:00] <knome> http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Beta1
[19:00] <elfy> brainwash: I'm guessing that it must be :|
[19:01] <brainwash> knome: thanks
[19:04] <brainwash> heat level of the xfdesktop crash report goes through the roof :D
[19:14] <starrats> yes brainwash frozen in the middle after startup and on the xubuntu blue desktop
[19:15] <brainwash> starrats: did you already report your issue on launchpad?
[19:18] <Travis> boy did I just get a big error on Trusty Tahr Alpha 2.  I had a "bad file" error pop up during install, shutting it down.
[19:18] <knome> Travis, have you tried with the beta 1 image?
[19:18] <elfy> knome is too quick for elfy
[19:18] <Travis> Not yet, but am going to get it righ tnow.
[19:19] <Travis> Wow, it's not even up on ubuntu's site.
[19:19] <Travis> Alpha 2 is
[19:20] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds
[19:20] <Travis> only when going to this link:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/
[19:20] <knome> Travis, it's not officially released, we're just testing the images
[19:20] <Travis> ah
[19:20] <knome> if you wish to help, speak to elfy on reporting results
[19:34] <starrats> brainwash I tried to but launchpad wouldn't accept my password and when they sent me a code number to put in a new passowrd they still wouldn't let me in to report the bug, so it really never got reported because of those 2 problemsd
[20:00] <Travis> elfy:  I am at the selection screen, where I choose how to install Xubuntu.  I cannot get the "continue" button to light up, even after selecting "erase & reinstall"
[20:02] <Travis> elfy:  I got it working, by going back to a previous screen, then continuing the install.
[20:09] <Travis> Elfy:  I am now getting a Errno 5 Input/Output error on 14.04
[20:09] <Travis> grrrr
[20:10] <elfy> that's not sounding much fun - is this a dvd or usb? 
[20:10] <Travis> dvd
[20:10] <elfy> did you check the download?
[20:10] <Travis> Yes
[20:12] <elfy> I'd check the dvd from the dvd boot menu - hit any key when it starts up - there's an option to check the dvd there
[20:12] <elfy> when you see the human/kbd things at the bottom
[20:13] <Travis> Running a checker on the iso again
[20:14] <elfy> you checked the dvd already? thought you said you'd checked the download
[20:15] <Travis> I am doing it again, just to cover my rear end.
[20:16] <Travis> It's a good ISO.
[20:16] <Travis> Time to do the on-disk check now.
[20:21] <Travis> ok says it found an error in one file.
[20:21] <elfy> only time I've got that error in the last 12 months is when I've whipped out the usb before it's ready for me to 
[20:21] <Travis> It didn't tell me wihc one.
[20:21] <Travis> which*  The check went too fast.
[20:22] <elfy> well - reburn it 
[20:22] <elfy> do you not have usb capable h/ware ?
[20:22] <Travis> yes
[20:22] <Travis> My issue is that I am currently on a Windows machine.
[20:22] <elfy> 2 secs
[20:23] <Travis> I have been having trouble creating a bootbale usb stick that way.
[20:23] <elfy> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/unetbootin-windows-latest.exe
[20:23] <elfy> tried unetbootin? never had it fail for me 
[20:24] <Travis> I did earlier and didn't have success, but will try agian.
[20:24] <Travis> again*  dang fingers.
[20:24] <elfy> ok - if not then you'll want to reburn it 
[20:25] <Travis> how much space would I need to make space for preserving files across reboots?
[20:26] <elfy> I never do - I only use it to install with - are you wanting to install TO the usb? 
[20:26] <Travis> no
[20:26] <Travis> I follow what you're saying.  If it's to act like a DVD, don't create any space.
[20:26] <elfy> aah ok - if you're just using it instead of dvd 
[20:27] <elfy> yea - that saved me tryping more :)
[20:28] <Noskcaj> what do i have to do to replace xscreensaver with light-locker?
[20:28] <elfy> purge xscreensaver - light-locker I think is installed - check though
[20:29] <elfy> then if you want to try the -settings app the ppa info is in a mail I did to -devel recently
[20:35] <elfy> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:light-locker-settings-team/stable
[20:36] <Noskcaj> ok, thanks
[20:37] <Noskcaj> Is it worth me trying to get the xfdesktop4 fix straight to ubuntu, or do we have time to wait for debian?
[20:37] <elfy> I'd talk to knome about that
[20:37] <elfy> it does need doing though - ringing bells with jenkins as well 
[20:38] <elfy> :)
[20:58] <knome> Noskcaj, if it doesn't look realistic that it'll land to ubuntu before b2 via debian, then apply it directly.
[20:59] <Noskcaj> ok
[21:32] <Travis> elfy:  so far so good on the install.
[21:32] <elfy> Travis: excellent - did you get unetbootin to work ok for you?
[21:32] <Travis> yes
[21:33] <elfy> nice 
[21:34] <Travis> I am trying out the 64 bit edition.  I have notice a couple of oddities.
[21:34] <elfy> you going to report them? 
[21:35] <Travis> I don't know if it's a true error or my mistake.
[21:35] <elfy> there are reports on the tracker - you could look at what's been reported
[21:37] <Travis> Doesn't look like it's a OS fault.  Looks like it's mine.
[21:37] <Travis> If I let the install sit too long without acting, I've had to go back one screen, then back to the screen I was just on, to continue.
[21:37] <elfy> mmm 
[21:37] <elfy> shouldn't have to do that - it might black screen from the screensaver is all 
[21:39] <Travis> ok.  I was rather surprised to see the Debian swirl on the desktop.  I am not used to seeing it on a Xubuntu desktop.
[21:41] <Travis> off to play with 14.04
[21:44] <elfy> mmm 
[21:44] <elfy> why are people seeing that :|