[01:28] pleia2, thanks for the language answer, I got your e-mail and contacted the writer. [01:28] jjfrv8: yay :) [02:00] brainwash: is there a new upstream release? [02:03] brainwash: if it's not critical to the beta, I suggest getting the update sponsored into Debian and we can sync post beta 1 [02:25] not that critical to the beta. freeze was yesterday (monday) [02:26] off to bed [02:26] nighty! [05:51] boo, no b1 isos yet, will have to test tomorrow [05:53] * Noskcaj points pleia2 to the daily ISOs [05:57] Noskcaj: yeah yeah :) [05:58] I actually do have limited time for this, so I want to focus on helping complete testing for the b1 things, tonight I'll just shift to another part of my todo list [06:32] Hey guys. Just came across the marketing flyers ect for ubuntu & xubuntu, the one where it mentions windows xp going out of support. I might be interested to volunteer by printing out flyers to hand out, put in letter boxes & put up at community places. [07:03] AussieDownUnder: that's great! [07:03] AussieDownUnder: I had about 50 of the US size printed up for a conference this past weekend, went well :) [07:04] pleia2, What is US size? Is it larger than A4? [07:04] AussieDownUnder: wider and shorter [07:05] I've been collecting photos of the flyers used "in the wild" - none yet from outside the US [07:05] pleia2: I suspect I'll be asking for a b1 rebuild being as how it's not turned up - should be one this evening for you :) [07:05] pleia2, oh okay, the standard size here for flyers & letters is A4. Was gonna try & put one up on the shopping mall corkboard, maybe put a few in the letter boxes in my street, then print out a heap to hand out at my next group meetup. [07:05] elfy: it's after 11pm for me, sleepytime soon [07:05] AussieDownUnder: yeah, us USians have to be difficult, everyone else uses A4 [07:05] tomorrow evening then :) [07:06] elfy: yes! [07:06] AussieDownUnder: and that sounds perfect :) [07:06] it's much too early for me to understand timezones ... [07:06] pleia2, so where could I upload a photo for you to collect of the ones I put up around town? Hopefully if I study & stay in a town 20mins away I can also put them up around the study buildings. [07:06] AussieDownUnder: you can share it on flickr/google/fb or just email it to me: lyz@ubuntu.com and I'll share it around [07:07] knome: can I just request rebuild on the tracker - or do I have to go ask in -release? [07:07] pleia2, it will also be a good test for my new printer that's been sitting in its box for 2 months. [07:08] AussieDownUnder: nice [07:17] pleia2, Added you to my contacts in my email so that I don't forget later, also sent you an email just as a test I guess. [07:17] \o/ [07:17] Fair well, be back later, I hath chores to do around my house. [07:18] pleia2, erm what does that symbol mean? Rock n Roll hand signal? [07:21] doh [07:22] I guess that symbol means - don't press here :p [07:23] I think he meant my cheering \o/ [07:23] :) [07:38] knome: requested rebuild via the tracker [07:54] Don't do "\o/" on Skype, it's a disco dude. :/ [07:54] or just don't do skype :p [08:04] Couldn't you disable emoji in skype? [08:04] Yes, but the person you are talking to still gets the wrong image. [08:07] Oh ok. Blah. [08:08] (Also why I'm using Skype.) [09:01] Hmmm... What I'm missing in datetime is a configurable number of clocks under the calendar if you click it, like in gsimplecal. [09:01] (Is xfce4-datetime-plugin not the default?) [09:03] Anyone in here actually on the xubuntu development team by any chance? [09:04] lotsa [09:04] them [09:04] ^ He is. [09:05] so is he ^ [09:05] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10202 like this I presume, if he's actually thinking of it like gsimplecal. [09:05] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10202 in General "Display multiple timezones" [Enhancement,New] [09:05] <--- channel weirdo, actually. [09:05] AussieDownUnder: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members#active [09:06] Unit193: there is that too ... [09:06] ochosi: I suppose that's not something you'd like/be able to do? :) [09:07] Well there you go, I've been talking to 1/4 of you without knowing. I must tell all of my friends how cool I am (kidding). [09:07] Depends what you mean by Xubuntu dev team, but what's up? [09:08] any talk of voodoo and I'll be off [09:11] :O Was just listening to a Jake E Lee pre Ozzy Osbourne album with a song called Voodoo on it. Do De Do Do Do De Do Do (Twilight zone) [09:11] Do you guys/gals all live near each other, ever met or do things together? [09:12] Nope, nope, nope. [09:13] (Those are for me, astraljava and knome are pretty close, or were.) [09:13] I'd say the same [09:13] Closest to me would have to be mica, I'd say. [09:15] So do yol just work on seperate elements of xubuntu or have a live contact when working on stuff? [09:16] we talk to each other in here [09:18] Swoit [09:19] Should setup a TeamSpeak server so yous aren't completely text robots. [09:22] Do you guys set your own dead lines for the xubuntu updates releases & o/s releases (eg, 14.04) or is there a bit of canonical input in those regards? [09:23] we work with the release schedule [09:24] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule [09:25] I was just looking at that. Pretty interesting, the more I log into xubuntu instead of windows the more I learn. Once most of my steam library is supported I'll be on here 24/7 [09:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument [10:21] I think I've asked this before a couple of weeks ago but I'm probably more understanding of the inner clockworks of xubuntu now to understand whatever yol tell me. Is there something to install that when I press & hold the super key will bring up a fancy screen which will tell me what hotkeys I have available, something that when I also change what my hotkeys do update automatically & display accurate hotkey list? [10:51] we had such a project in the works a longer while ago [10:52] but got distracted by more important tasks [11:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Xubuntu Desktop amd64 [Trusty Beta 1] (20140225) has been added [11:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Xubuntu Desktop i386 [Trusty Beta 1] (20140225) has been added [11:29] hmm, light-locker-settings is still stuck in the queue [11:39] hello [11:39] hey ochosi, i did a request, take a look please [11:40] i will return only after the beta 1 [11:42] sergio-br2: if you' [11:42] re referring to the mimes96 branch, i already reviewed and merged ;) [11:42] (finally receiving email-notifications about merge-requests) [11:43] * elfy would have swapped with ochosi ... [11:44] elfy: swapped what? [11:44] like changing places? [11:44] getting merge requests [11:44] yea - you can get all the ones I get :) [11:44] hehe [11:45] sergio-br2: no worries, even if we don't finish all 96px mimes, this is *so* much better than what we had already... [11:45] ok [11:46] thanks [11:46] so have a good time and talk to you when you're back [11:46] not sure i'll get to much drawing myself [11:46] but i'll try ;) [11:46] it was fast [11:46] wow [11:47] ok [11:47] thanks! [11:48] elfy: i've been working alone on the icon-theme for years now, it's really nice to finally get some merge-requests :> [11:49] I don't doubt that at all - I've watched you working on it alone for as long as I've been floating about :) [11:49] * ochosi feels like elfy's truman show now [11:49] ha ha ha [11:55] ochosi: beta1 will ship with saucy's xubuntu-artwork package, is the new trusty one stuck in the queue? [11:55] yup [11:55] sponsors queue [11:56] :( [12:02] brainwash_: why not become a packager yourself and help out xubuntu? ;) [12:06] brainwash_: or even a bug triager? [12:08] or batman [12:08] :) [12:08] packaging is not enjoyable for me as of now [12:08] bug triager is on my todo list [12:08] * elfy puts on installing beta head and is bored already === DanChapman_ is now known as DanChapman [12:15] perhaps yol could give me things to try & report? [12:19] try to figure out why thunar crashes [12:26] Don't even know what thunar is lol, I think I've seen it in the startup applications though [12:27] Yep it's in that auto start session thing [12:27] What is Thunar? [12:28] Thunar is Xubuntu shipped file manager AussieDownUnder [12:28] otay cheers [12:44] ochosi, hrrrr, why no tell me we have packages on the queue? [12:46] what package do I need to report a bug for keyboard layout changing between the loginscreen and the desktop ... [12:46] hi knome [12:46] hey elfy [12:47] elfy, does keyboard layout changing work outside the greeter? [12:47] no even looking at that - when the desktop boots - keyboard is set to US [12:48] elfy: keyboard-configuration package? [12:48] which works wonders when your password has symbols ... [12:49] possibly slickymaster-job [12:50] elfy: FWIW https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard [12:50] thanks slickymaster-job [12:52] knome: well you know we have >1 pkgs in the queue, it has been like that for quite a while [12:52] knome: currently it's 7 (http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/) [12:53] and since xubuntu-artwork wasn't as crucial for b1 as other things... [12:55] ugh. right, but ugh [13:00] it mostly contains icon-updates and the s/13.10/14.04/ in plymouth-text [13:01] mhm [13:01] elfy, if you intend to do another respin, let me know first (because if you do, we'll get another package updated) [13:02] I doubt if I will - I was just wondering where our images had got to [13:02] knome: frankly, what bothers me more is that light-locker-settings is still stuck in the upload queue [14:14] ali1234: you around? tedg just came online [14:46] good morning everyone! I have installed xubuntu 14.04 Alpha 2 and it's running pretty good. But today 2 different times I get to the xubuntu desktop and my cursor is frozen, won't move, is there a quick fix for tha or ? 2nd question which is more mundane why abiword and not libreoffice package? [14:47] you mean, why not libreoffice by default? [14:47] you can install libreoffice easily from the repos.. abiword is the chosen default [14:48] starrats: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-January/009615.html [14:52] oka that's the mundane > I have no problem with that, more of a curiosity than any thing else holstein [14:52] as far as a2 is concerned - we've had numerous dailies since then - and if you've been updating you've not got a2 either [14:52] and we're looking at b1 now - do you see the same thing with that - if you do make sure you report it on the tracker [14:53] starrats: likely chosen in the first place for size and lightness [14:53] Thank you elfy for that link I have read it and understand [14:54] But my real question is why my cursor is frozen when I first turn my comp and go to xubuntu desktop? [14:54] Is there something I can do thru cli or ? [14:55] i would try an older kernel.. i would try a different session [14:56] okay will check for new updats, haven't since In stalled a few days ago and I got tons of updates/upgrades/dist-upgrades [15:00] ochosi: well I checked LANG and locale - both report gb, odd [15:01] elfy: not odd, that means the greeter works [15:01] locale != keyboard-layout [15:01] the greeter only controls the locale at the moment [15:01] I meant the bug itself [15:02] well locale might well be saying GB - but it's not - it's US [15:02] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/1284635/comments/5 [15:02] Launchpad bug 1284635 in console-setup (Ubuntu) "Keyboard layout changes after login" [Undecided,New] [15:03] never mind - reading != as = there [15:04] ok :) [15:04] ali1234: so it seems we'll have to ship the workaround for now i guess [15:13] knome: what's your view on failing tests for the xfdesktop crash [15:14] ali1234: sorry, i seem to be forgetting all about the indicator-issues from one discussion to the next :/ [15:14] elfy: xfdesktop is fixed upstream, fwiw [15:17] ali1234: thanks [15:17] actually, got a link to the lp bug? [15:18] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1282509 [15:18] Launchpad bug 1282509 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop crashed with SIGSEGV in xfce_desktop_refresh()" [Medium,Triaged] [15:18] ah, already has the upstream report linked [15:19] oh yea - I'd have said that if I knew that's what you were after :) [15:19] ali1234: be useful if someone else with a gb keyboard could confirm bug 1284635 [15:19] bug 1284635 in console-setup (Ubuntu) "Keyboard layout changes after login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284635 [15:20] i haven't seen that [15:20] but then i only login about once a month [15:20] :) [15:20] i guess i can try the ISO [15:20] there was a bug like this in ubuntu/unity, i think i mentioned it [15:21] unless this is a new one [15:24] possibly remember you saying something [15:24] not even sure if I've reported it against the right package tbh [15:26] well, i've got no idea. keyboard layouts is one thing i just don't understand [15:27] !info console-setup [15:27] console-setup (source: console-setup): console font and keymap setup program. In component main, is important. Version 1.70ubuntu7 (saucy), package size 1109 kB, installed size 1531 kB [15:28] :) [15:30] yeah so console keymaps and X keymaps are totally different - that's one thing i do know [15:31] i never did figure out how they relate though [15:47] gottcode: thanks for your email, just replied. mind if i ask you to review the upcoming merge-request that concerns the whiskermenu-settings? [15:49] ochosi: sure thing, what is involved in that? [15:50] gottcode: not much, just the switch to defaults.rc in the xfce4-subfolder and checking whether i didn't mess up any options :) [15:50] always better to have more pairs of eyes on changes [15:50] happy to help [15:50] thanks a bunch! [15:50] you're welcome :) [15:51] on some days i really wish it would be possible to also search all the stuff that's in the settingsmanager from appfinder/whiskermenu [15:53] interesting thought, not sure how I would go about adding that [15:54] yeah, iirc it isn't really (easily) possible [16:02] http://goput.it/es0f.png is this the wallpaper we are suppose to see on ubiquity? [16:03] hehe [16:03] it used to be something else. [16:04] indeed [16:15] ah... should the greeter be white? [16:16] GridCube: semi-white [16:16] hey GridCube selling yourself upstream? [16:16] ? [16:16] selling? [16:16] ochosi: why wouldn't that be possible? [16:16] if i can have them all on a menu, whiskermenu must be able to search them [16:16] yeah, iso testing debian [16:17] http://goput.it/jzmy.png [16:17] ;) [16:17] like this? [16:17] ali1234: yeah, frankly, i've forgotten why it wouldn't work :> [16:17] GridCube: yes [16:17] :/ what happened to the pretty black one [16:25] ali1234: still experimenting with thunar? maybe you could take a look at bug 880533 (in case you get bored of the memory corruption issue) [16:25] bug 880533 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar reports Trash Empty when it is not" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/880533 [16:25] :) [16:25] hmm... that's ancient... sure it still happens? [16:25] yes [16:25] I marked my new report as dupe [16:26] and there is also another user confirming it in 14.04 [16:30] elfy, virtualbox only had one available resolution, http://goput.it/zmok.png , first opening showed that xfdesktop failed, http://goput.it/9piv.png , that did not show up in later boots, mugshot crashed everytime i tried to change the avatar, http://goput.it/s1i9.png , the log off menu has a missmatching white border, http://goput.it/524b.png , also the already reported problems with wallpapers and abiwords ruler [16:30] ...i don't have a trash icon in the panel...? [16:30] sidebar? [16:30] oh wait, i see [16:31] hmm... can't reproduce [16:31] did you relog? [16:31] no [16:32] delete a file, relog, open thunar [16:33] GridCube: yea - I know all about vbox :| but it won't make any difference to running the tests [16:34] brainwash, tested the trash thing and it says i have 1 item if i reboot or relog, repeated the steps in the last comment of the bug [16:34] GridCube: no, the logout dialog is meant to be this way, white + grey, just like the login box [16:34] :/ [16:35] i wont even ask why [16:35] * GridCube just dont get it [16:36] elfy, would this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1282509 be the same i saw as xfdesktop failing? [16:36] Launchpad bug 1282509 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop crashed with SIGSEGV in xfce_desktop_refresh()" [Medium,Triaged] [16:36] yea [16:37] loads of dupes [16:37] fixed upstream ali1234 tells me [16:38] my keyboard doesnt change, i've reloged like 10 times [16:38] keyboard layout do you mean? [16:39] i guess [16:39] perhaps it is just when you set kbd to gb [16:45] so then i dont report the logout white borders? [16:45] GridCube: that's the intended look [16:46] but it looks wrong [16:47] gah, nevermind i wont report it [16:47] * ochosi shrugs [16:47] yep thats exactly why it wont make any sense reporting it [16:54] ochosi: is whisker-menu definitely replacing the old app menu? [16:55] elfy, yes, that was decided on the meeting [16:56] ok cool - just checking before I start looking at testcases [16:56] elfy, we tweaked the settings a bit yesterday with ochosi, you probably want to make sure you are seeing the latest setup [16:56] not necessary atm [17:00] knome: did you just forgot https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/+merge/208035 or is there something in there you wanted tweaked? [17:01] slickymaster-job, i just haven't got to it yet :) [17:02] okie dokie [17:04] knome: actually I'll leave it for the moment and look when we've made a decision on what to have in favourites [17:12] elfy, we discussed that, but i'd be in touch with ochosi :) [17:14] yep [17:30] will there be site translations? [17:31] Calinou, if you are asking about xubuntu.org, doesn't look realistic for trusty [17:33] OK [17:33] oh, you're the website designer :D [17:39] i am [17:47] ochosi, GridCube pointed out in -offtopic that the greeter password field could be lighter compared to the background of the top part (compare how the search box stands out more in the settings manager) [18:26] I do not know if this 'useful feedback' but I still have a problem of a frozen cursor at start up on the xubuntu desktop, it's frozen in the middle of the page and nothing works, I have to 'hard crash my laptop to get to windows to do anything? I believe this is useful feedback also. [18:27] starrats: on 14.04 [18:27] yes holstein [18:28] sorry forgot to mention that [18:29] could be related to the graphics driver and the newer kernel.. [18:30] is there anything I can do on my laptop, like a cli thing [18:31] or the ubuntu software [18:31] starrats: you can try confirming if its graphics related.. check tty after the lockup.. just keep updating.. try older kernels.. try newer ones. etc [18:32] ah okay my friend [18:32] thank you [18:34] social media-ed the need for testers [18:34] starrats: good luck [18:35] thank you [18:43] holstein was running updates/upgrades and a window popped up with a message to restart or ? one of these items xscreensaver or xlockmore, sorry I do not understand [18:48] starrats: its a commitment. running the pre-release :) [18:51] ty pleia2 [18:54] starrats: cursor frozen in the middle of the page? you mean after the desktop has been fully loaded? [18:57] elfy: maybe it's ibus changing your kb layout [18:59] knome: can you link the beta 1 pad please? [18:59] or anyone :) [19:00] /lastlog beta1 [19:00] http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Beta1 [19:00] brainwash: I'm guessing that it must be :| [19:01] knome: thanks [19:04] heat level of the xfdesktop crash report goes through the roof :D [19:14] yes brainwash frozen in the middle after startup and on the xubuntu blue desktop [19:15] starrats: did you already report your issue on launchpad? [19:18] boy did I just get a big error on Trusty Tahr Alpha 2. I had a "bad file" error pop up during install, shutting it down. [19:18] Travis, have you tried with the beta 1 image? [19:18] knome is too quick for elfy [19:18] Not yet, but am going to get it righ tnow. [19:19] Wow, it's not even up on ubuntu's site. [19:19] Alpha 2 is [19:20] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds [19:20] only when going to this link: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/ [19:20] Travis, it's not officially released, we're just testing the images [19:20] ah [19:20] if you wish to help, speak to elfy on reporting results [19:34] brainwash I tried to but launchpad wouldn't accept my password and when they sent me a code number to put in a new passowrd they still wouldn't let me in to report the bug, so it really never got reported because of those 2 problemsd [20:00] elfy: I am at the selection screen, where I choose how to install Xubuntu. I cannot get the "continue" button to light up, even after selecting "erase & reinstall" [20:02] elfy: I got it working, by going back to a previous screen, then continuing the install. [20:09] Elfy: I am now getting a Errno 5 Input/Output error on 14.04 [20:09] grrrr [20:10] that's not sounding much fun - is this a dvd or usb? [20:10] dvd [20:10] did you check the download? [20:10] Yes [20:12] I'd check the dvd from the dvd boot menu - hit any key when it starts up - there's an option to check the dvd there [20:12] when you see the human/kbd things at the bottom [20:13] Running a checker on the iso again [20:14] you checked the dvd already? thought you said you'd checked the download [20:15] I am doing it again, just to cover my rear end. [20:16] It's a good ISO. [20:16] Time to do the on-disk check now. [20:21] ok says it found an error in one file. [20:21] only time I've got that error in the last 12 months is when I've whipped out the usb before it's ready for me to [20:21] It didn't tell me wihc one. [20:21] which* The check went too fast. [20:22] well - reburn it [20:22] do you not have usb capable h/ware ? [20:22] yes [20:22] My issue is that I am currently on a Windows machine. [20:22] 2 secs [20:23] I have been having trouble creating a bootbale usb stick that way. [20:23] http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/unetbootin-windows-latest.exe [20:23] tried unetbootin? never had it fail for me [20:24] I did earlier and didn't have success, but will try agian. [20:24] again* dang fingers. [20:24] ok - if not then you'll want to reburn it [20:25] how much space would I need to make space for preserving files across reboots? [20:26] I never do - I only use it to install with - are you wanting to install TO the usb? [20:26] no [20:26] I follow what you're saying. If it's to act like a DVD, don't create any space. [20:26] aah ok - if you're just using it instead of dvd [20:27] yea - that saved me tryping more :) [20:28] what do i have to do to replace xscreensaver with light-locker? [20:28] purge xscreensaver - light-locker I think is installed - check though [20:29] then if you want to try the -settings app the ppa info is in a mail I did to -devel recently [20:35] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:light-locker-settings-team/stable [20:36] ok, thanks [20:37] Is it worth me trying to get the xfdesktop4 fix straight to ubuntu, or do we have time to wait for debian? [20:37] I'd talk to knome about that [20:37] it does need doing though - ringing bells with jenkins as well [20:38] :) [20:58] Noskcaj, if it doesn't look realistic that it'll land to ubuntu before b2 via debian, then apply it directly. [20:59] ok === PaulW2U is now known as G4MBY [21:32] elfy: so far so good on the install. [21:32] Travis: excellent - did you get unetbootin to work ok for you? [21:32] yes [21:33] nice [21:34] I am trying out the 64 bit edition. I have notice a couple of oddities. [21:34] you going to report them? [21:35] I don't know if it's a true error or my mistake. [21:35] there are reports on the tracker - you could look at what's been reported [21:37] Doesn't look like it's a OS fault. Looks like it's mine. [21:37] If I let the install sit too long without acting, I've had to go back one screen, then back to the screen I was just on, to continue. [21:37] mmm [21:37] shouldn't have to do that - it might black screen from the screensaver is all [21:39] ok. I was rather surprised to see the Debian swirl on the desktop. I am not used to seeing it on a Xubuntu desktop. [21:41] off to play with 14.04 [21:44] mmm [21:44] why are people seeing that :| === G4MBY is now known as PaulW2U