| cubed_root | am i right in saying the basic components of a distribution are the desktop environment and the utilities and GUI-based software packaged with it? | 00:42 |
|---|---|---|
| knome | and the core. | 00:42 |
| cubed_root | the gnu/linux kernel? | 00:43 |
| fibz_ | and default settings | 00:43 |
| cubed_root | so initially installed xubuntu, and i'm running gnome right now, is there any desktop env that i can't install over my ubuntu core? | 00:44 |
| knome | cubed_root, kernel, package management and stuff | 00:44 |
| knome | cubed_root, nope, not really | 00:44 |
| cubed_root | wow, very cool | 00:44 |
| cubed_root | ok thanks | 00:44 |
| knome | (the ones that aren't in the repositories are harder to install though, but it's doable) | 00:45 |
| Unit193 | But not supportable here. | 00:45 |
| knome | true, but that wasn't the question ;) | 00:45 |
| cubed_root | so i think lin4mac or whatever it's called falls under that -- you have to download and run .sh scrpt | 00:46 |
| cubed_root | was just reading http://www.howtogeek.com/177213/linux-isnt-just-linux-8-pieces-of-software-that-make-up-linux-systems/ | 00:47 |
| cubed_root | pretty cool summary | 00:47 |
| cubed_root | great site too | 00:47 |
| ali1234 | don't forget init and coreutils | 00:52 |
| ali1234 | the full list that you need for a complete system would be: kernel, libc, init, coreutils, package manager, display server, session manager, desktop environment, applications | 00:54 |
| cubed_root | thanks ali1234 | 01:23 |
| === sparkiez is now known as magic_ninja | ||
| rawfodog | pulseaudio doesnt seem to like skype very much, how do I change it ? | 03:08 |
| xubuntu474 | hello all | 03:46 |
| Taicho | Is anyone familiar with using Xubuntu on Dell Latitude laptops? I need some help with enabling the internal wifi | 03:51 |
| Unit193 | Can you give more details. | 03:51 |
| Unit193 | s/./?/ | 03:51 |
| xubuntu749 | day 0 of xubuntu life starts now :) | 03:51 |
| Unit193 | Congrats. | 03:51 |
| xubuntu749 | still in the installer. they have a little IRC client while you wait haha | 03:52 |
| xubuntu749 | language packs are taking forever... | 03:52 |
| xubuntu749 | i take it xubuntu specific stuff won't be quite as quick to download as ubuntu mainline stuff ? | 03:52 |
| Unit193 | (Not so helpful here, only know English. :D ) | 03:52 |
| Unit193 | xubuntu749: Why not? Same exact repos. | 03:53 |
| Unit193 | Also all on disk. | 03:53 |
| xubuntu749 | righto. i'm using the usb stick installer... | 03:53 |
| Taicho | I have a latitude D630 that came with Xubunt 12.04 preloaded on it and the wifi was recognized under network manager without extras and just a couple days ago it stopped being recognized, even with live discs | 03:53 |
| xubuntu749 | i7 3730, 240gb ssd... should be nice :) | 03:53 |
| xubuntu749 | 3770 | 03:53 |
| Unit193 | Taicho: Can you lspci it and tell me the chipset? | 03:53 |
| Taicho | intel 3945A/B/G | 03:55 |
| Unit193 | Hardware switch isn't set to off? | 03:57 |
| Unit193 | Err. | 03:57 |
| === xubuntu749 is now known as Algalon | ||
| Unit193 | < Unit193> Hardware switch isn't set to off? Also, have you checked "Additional Drivers" with a lan connection plugged in? | 03:58 |
| Taicho | haven't been able to yet, using a cell modem on another comp | 03:59 |
| Taicho | an no, it's set to on, usually is | 04:00 |
| Algalon | graphics seem kinda sketchy during install. occasional stutters | 04:02 |
| Unit193 | Taicho: So you can't check that? I have no idea with that card, only had to mess with broadcom. | 04:03 |
| Unit193 | Algalon: Settings Manager -> Additional Drivers and see if you have a graphics card to install after? | 04:03 |
| Taicho | not at this time, no way to get it online | 04:04 |
| Algalon | Unit193: kk will check after install, thanks | 04:04 |
| Algalon | what's the best way to work off a digital ocean droplet? sshfs ? | 04:05 |
| KoSoVaR | Hi all - has anyone attempted installing Xubuntu (or replacing a current GPU) with a new Maxwell based NVIDIA 750TI? | 04:07 |
| KoSoVaR | I'm unable to load Xubuntu Live or install it with a 750ti | 04:09 |
| Algalon | tha'ts the new nvidia chip that just came out right? | 04:10 |
| Algalon | maxwell? | 04:10 |
| Unit193 | Algalon: "Work off of" being file storage? ownCloud if you're into that, sshfs, rsync, or something else even, yep. | 04:10 |
| KoSoVaR | yes | 04:11 |
| Algalon | KoSoVaR: best of luck good sir :) | 04:11 |
| KoSoVaR | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia_maxwell_benchmarks&num=1 | 04:11 |
| KoSoVaR | hah | 04:11 |
| Taicho | ok, it's a broad com chip (BCM4311) 802.11B/G rev 01 | 04:11 |
| Unit193 | Taicho: Ah, missed that somehow. That makes it easier for me. | 04:12 |
| Unit193 | !bcm | 04:12 |
| ubottu | Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx | 04:12 |
| Algalon | KoSoVaR: i want to pick one of those up, staying with my 560 ti at the moment. (i'm a total noob btw.. i am still in the installer's irc client myself) | 04:12 |
| Unit193 | Download the linked gz file, install fwcutter from the disk, point fwcutter at the gz file. | 04:12 |
| Taicho | thanks for the point out…..will check back after successful install of it after a clean install | 04:18 |
| Algalon | rebooting... hope to see you on the other side... | 04:19 |
| cubed_root | anyone know if developer resources (node.js installation, eclipse, spring) would be affected by installing new desktops on top of xubuntu (i've done this on another laptop but it doesn't have anything on it yet) | 04:36 |
| Unit193 | Algalon: Guess it worked. | 04:37 |
| Algalon | Hey | 04:37 |
| Algalon | just got done with updates... | 04:37 |
| Algalon | the video is still kinda of wonky. i have 2 cards (3x monitors @ 1080p)... | 04:38 |
| Algalon | i looked for the settings you mentioned | 04:38 |
| Algalon | and it only seemed to list my crappier card (GT610 powers 1 screen, 560TI the other 2) | 04:38 |
| Algalon | getting weird artifacting on the GT610 screen as it is. it doesn't look like it took using the nvidia binary for the secondary card either.. goign to try applying it again.. | 04:40 |
| Algalon | tried to apply again and that window seems to have locked up... can drag it but the scroll bars don't work. buttons are grayed out.. it asked me for a password and after entering it went to this state... | 04:41 |
| Algalon | brb | 04:41 |
| Algalon | did a reboot to see if that's what it needed. while it still is not showing a proprietary driver in use it actually does somethign different when i hit apply and enter my password this time. it brought up a progress bar where the buttons were though it seems to be stuck | 04:48 |
| Algalon | i can't believe i made it back to irc... my screens are jumbled around and the one with my taskbars is completelyt blank... >< i don't know how to get to the settings to even turn it off to get my panels back lol... | 05:01 |
| Algalon | fortunately i had a home folder icon on this screen i was able to launch bash and xhcat from... | 05:01 |
| xubuntu038 | i'm new... new install 12.04 on 8gb usb... trying to install r9 290 drivers... ran out of space... how do i see where the space went? | 06:20 |
| KoSoVaR | how did you download them xubuntu038 | 06:25 |
| KoSoVaR | through a browser? | 06:25 |
| xubuntu038 | yes | 06:25 |
| KoSoVaR | most likely in your /home/$username/Downloads folder | 06:25 |
| KoSoVaR | open up a terminal | 06:26 |
| KoSoVaR | type cd ~/Downloads | 06:26 |
| xubuntu038 | i deleted the zip there | 06:26 |
| fibz_ | df -h | 06:26 |
| xubuntu038 | just found that | 06:26 |
| KoSoVaR | you can type ls -lah | 06:26 |
| xubuntu038 | says i have 2 none one of which is 1.5g | 06:26 |
| KoSoVaR | it will show you files in megabytes | 06:27 |
| AussieDownUnder | If I wanted to print off some of the xubuntu flyers & drop them in letter boxes or stick them up at community buildings would that be alright? | 06:27 |
| KoSoVaR | don't you think that's kinda like asking... | 06:27 |
| KoSoVaR | nevermind. | 06:28 |
| xubuntu038 | is 4.4gig enough space for my / | 06:29 |
| Taicho | hey, i tried out the info from that link, but it didn't help at all | 06:29 |
| xubuntu038 | anyone know where i can delete some non essential stuff to make room to finish my install fo 12.04 | 06:33 |
| xubuntu038 | please help... i don't want to run this stupid install again | 06:34 |
| AussieDownUnder | How man o/s's do you have on the hard drive that you're installing on? And how big was the partition you made for 12.04? | 06:43 |
| AussieDownUnder | So you installed xubuntu on a usb stick? | 06:45 |
| Sohail-Ahmed | I am trying to do clive URL but its giving me an error: rror: no match: sequence | 06:46 |
| Sohail-Ahmed | (in cleanup) cannot access `DESTROY' field in class clive::Video at /usr/share/perl5/clive/App.pm line 106 | 06:46 |
| Sohail-Ahmed | any ideas? or workaround? | 06:46 |
| cfhowlett | AussieDownUnder, under the creative commons license - yes. see spreadubuntu.org for ideas | 07:08 |
| cfhowlett | AussieDownUnder, note: dropping things in people's mailbox is a violation in the USA unless you are a mail delivery person. | 07:08 |
| well_laid_lawn | he has aussie in his name heh | 07:10 |
| AussieDownUnder | cfhowlett, I'm not sure they're that strict here unless you're dropping offensive or dangerous material but now you mention I should check first. But if it's fine for a heap of religious groups to fill my box with junk, advertising companies to fill my box with junk, home businesses to fill my box (not ride part) with junk then I'm sure people will more appreciate a flyer for a free o/s then all of the previous mentioned lol | 07:12 |
| shineworld | Hi, sorry if a silly question but I'm a newbie with linux. I would like to use some new feature in LibreOffice 4.0 but my XUbuntu 12.04LTS is still to 3.5.x. also after an update. What is the right way to update it to 4.0 ? Thank you for reply. | 07:13 |
| cfhowlett | shineworld, you can download the .deb file directly from libreoffice then so sudo dpkg -i filenamehere.deb to install (or see the README install instructions from the website). | 07:38 |
| cfhowlett | and NOT an silly question at all. | 07:38 |
| shineworld | Ok for tips :) thank you | 07:38 |
| Sysi | you maybe should use a ppa, that way you get updates too | 07:45 |
| Sysi | https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=precise | 07:46 |
| shineworld | ah ppa.... in this way ? sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-4-0 | 07:49 |
| shineworld | After that the system say me: "Not all updates can be installed" | 07:51 |
| MitaKushimi | hello | 07:51 |
| === MitaKushimi is now known as Youpis | ||
| cfhowlett | shineworld, PPA? ... | 07:53 |
| cfhowlett | shineworld, absolutely NOT needed or recommended. | 07:54 |
| cfhowlett | shineworld, go back to the download page, select the linux-deb version and use the .torrent for main installer and built-in help files | 07:55 |
| Sysi | cfhowlett: well either you keep your libreoffice up-to-date or ppa maintainer does | 07:55 |
| Sysi | that particular one looks somewhat reliable, I don't think random deb is better with upgrades than a ppa | 07:56 |
| cfhowlett | Sysi, true but no need to ppa for updates. regular application of sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will do the trick | 07:56 |
| * cfhowlett agrees to agree to disagree | 07:57 | |
| Sysi | cfhowlett: no, if there is no repository to upgrade libreoffice from, unless installing that deb adds one, in which case it's better | 07:57 |
| Unit193 | Pretty sure the Ubuntu Libreoffice team keeps the PPAs rolling, so they'd likely know packaging better than the programmers of libreoffice. | 07:58 |
| shineworld | but what is right PPA address for libreoffice 4 and xubuntu 12.04LTS ? | 08:01 |
| shineworld | there are so much in net | 08:01 |
| koegs | there is only one official, shineworld | 08:04 |
| Sysi | ppa:libreoffice/ppa will get you the newest one | 08:05 |
| shineworld | sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-4-0 ? | 08:05 |
| cfhowlett | shineworld, ONE and it doesn't care that you're on xubuntu or what version. "linux" is sufficient | 08:05 |
| koegs | https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa | 08:05 |
| shineworld | ah sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/ppa | 08:05 |
| shineworld | ok | 08:05 |
| shineworld | sorry my first times with linux | 08:06 |
| Sysi | I recommend adding the general ppa and using the newest one | 08:06 |
| xubuntu880 | hi | 09:53 |
| xubuntu880 | i am looking for help with configuration xubuntu LTS | 09:53 |
| xubuntu880 | anyone can help me? | 09:53 |
| fibz_ | with what? | 09:54 |
| xubuntu880 | i was using kde before | 09:55 |
| xubuntu880 | for a wile | 09:55 |
| xubuntu880 | there was great feature | 09:55 |
| xubuntu880 | like, when i drag the top bar of the window | 09:55 |
| xubuntu880 | and hit on the top corner, than that window fullfill 1/4 of screen | 09:55 |
| xubuntu880 | if i still hand it, and move down it fullfills 1/2 of screen | 09:55 |
| xubuntu880 | i would like to have in on xubuntu | 09:56 |
| fibz_ | http://www.webupd8.org/2012/05/install-xfce-410-in-xubuntu-1204.html | 09:56 |
| xubuntu880 | I dont want xfce, only that feature | 09:56 |
| xubuntu880 | is there any way to do it? | 09:56 |
| fibz_ | xubuntu uses xfce. you can install any manager you like (such as kde) | 09:57 |
| xubuntu880 | nvm | 09:58 |
| fibz_ | this can be done in the software center or through terminal. did you have one in mind? | 09:58 |
| xubuntu880 | i dont want to switch the xfce on kde | 09:59 |
| xubuntu880 | i want only one that feature | 09:59 |
| xubuntu880 | thought i will have to install one package | 10:00 |
| fibz_ | oh you are already using kde right now? which version? | 10:00 |
| xubuntu880 | now i have xfce | 10:00 |
| fibz_ | yeah for 12.04, snap doesnt work without using a ppa | 10:01 |
| xubuntu880 | before a while i hace installed this: ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates | 10:02 |
| xubuntu880 | for graphic on steam | 10:02 |
| xubuntu880 | is it that what you were talking about? | 10:04 |
| fibz_ | i am talking about that link i posted | 10:04 |
| xubuntu880 | but i will cause switchng xfce to kde, right? | 10:05 |
| fibz_ | you said you are running xfce. this will update your xfce to 4.10 which supports window snapping | 10:06 |
| xubuntu880 | you have right | 10:07 |
| xubuntu880 | sry | 10:07 |
| xubuntu880 | and now I have v4.08 | 10:07 |
| xubuntu880 | i dont get difference between 'update' and 'upgrade' in linux | 10:08 |
| xubuntu880 | can you explain it? | 10:08 |
| xubuntu880 | update is updating packages in manager, so i know there are newer versions | 10:09 |
| xubuntu880 | and upgrade means i want to install them | 10:09 |
| xubuntu880 | ? | 10:09 |
| elfy | yes | 10:09 |
| xubuntu880 | thanks | 10:10 |
| elfy | man apt-get :) | 10:11 |
| cfhowlett | xubuntu880, update grabs the current package LIST. update actually installs same. don't feel bad. I happily "updated" for 3 years before I figured out the difference. | 10:12 |
| xubuntu880 | i need man linux | 10:12 |
| xubuntu880 | :P | 10:12 |
| fibz_ | you can write one along your learning journey | 10:12 |
| xubuntu880 | well, linux community is such a big | 10:13 |
| xubuntu880 | i dont think my experience could help anyone | 10:13 |
| xubuntu880 | there are people which spend their time on it | 10:13 |
| xubuntu880 | i just want to learn how to use one more system | 10:14 |
| fibz_ | oh but it could. documentation is VERY helpful | 10:14 |
| fibz_ | :) | 10:14 |
| xubuntu880 | the best thing in windows is VS | 10:14 |
| xubuntu880 | but i will not port it to linux | 10:15 |
| xubuntu880 | ;/ | 10:15 |
| xubuntu880 | but i heard some good opinions about gdb (?) | 10:15 |
| AussieDownUnder | Be good to see some sort of welcome screen implemented into the install of xubuntu, where it brings up a pop up of tutorials/tips/links of how to get around in xubuntu. I know there's that stuff during the install that is shows you of xubuntu but for the less experienced users I think a pop up screen that you need to untick a box to get rid, would really help people learn how to use xubuntu | 10:15 |
| AussieDownUnder | I really suck at explaining things, if only I was psychic | 10:16 |
| fibz_ | there is also #ubuntu-offtopic and #xubuntu-offtopic | 10:16 |
| xubuntu880 | and | 10:16 |
| xubuntu880 | i have one more stupid problems | 10:17 |
| xubuntu880 | can i make the boarders of windows | 10:17 |
| xubuntu880 | a bit more width? | 10:17 |
| xubuntu880 | it is gard to grab boarder and resize it | 10:17 |
| cfhowlett | AussieDownUnder, that's a good suggestion. Please make a note of what you (new user) would have found most useful and submit to the forums. | 10:19 |
| xubuntu880 | hmm | 10:20 |
| xubuntu880 | and it is hard to find update manager via start > settings > ?? | 10:20 |
| xubuntu880 | i use search to turn it on | 10:20 |
| cfhowlett | no start key on ubuntu. | 10:20 |
| xubuntu880 | it isnt in settings nor administration section | 10:20 |
| xubuntu880 | so how you call it? | 10:21 |
| cfhowlett | you'll find it in the system menu | 10:21 |
| fibz_ | i use a keyboard shorcut for that myself xubuntu880. in the settings manager in the application launcher go to window manager -> keyboard -> resize and set yourself an easy shortcut | 10:21 |
| xubuntu880 | thanks | 10:22 |
| fibz_ | i also go to the keyboard settings in settings manager and bind the windows key to the application launcher | 10:22 |
| xubuntu880 | and can you tell me how to change boarders width? | 10:22 |
| fibz_ | thats the best i got | 10:22 |
| fibz_ | short of google'n it | 10:25 |
| xubuntu880 | http://superuser.com/questions/436541/how-do-you-increase-the-resize-border-thickness-in-xubuntu-12-04 | 10:28 |
| xubuntu880 | i dont have hidden folder themes | 10:29 |
| xubuntu880 | hmm | 10:32 |
| xubuntu880 | there is shortcut | 10:32 |
| xubuntu880 | alt + right click | 10:32 |
| xubuntu880 | it is enaugh comfortable | 10:32 |
| fibz_ | better than mine >_< | 10:34 |
| xubuntu880 | thanks you all for help | 10:41 |
| xubuntu880 | gtg | 10:41 |
| xubuntu880 | cya | 10:41 |
| starrats | just saying good morning, no probs | 11:10 |
| === SirLagz_ is now known as sirLagz | ||
| === sirLagz is now known as SirLagz | ||
| gema1 | hello, everybody, i have a failing hard drive though still some info readeable. may someone help me to recover a partition, a "copy and paste" is just trowing errors and taking hours, i have an spare harddrive with enough space to copy the partition i have my data on but not with enought space to copy the full drive. My partition is ntfs. Any help please? any program for xubuntu i can just "raw" copy my partition ignoring errors so i | 14:14 |
| GridCube | !testdisk | 14:15 |
| GridCube | mmm no | 14:15 |
| GridCube | !info testdisk | 14:15 |
| ubottu | testdisk (source: testdisk): Partition scanner and disk recovery tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 6.14-1ubuntu1 (saucy), package size 534 kB, installed size 1269 kB | 14:15 |
| gema1 | im installing | 14:15 |
| GridCube | gema1, please read http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step | 14:16 |
| GridCube | its complicated to use, but it will do the job | 14:16 |
| GridCube | (probably if you just want the files use photorec, http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec_Step_By_Step ) | 14:16 |
| GridCube | it installs at the same time as testdisk | 14:17 |
| GridCube | but is slightly easier to use | 14:17 |
| Golynx | Hi , i made a new panel at the top of the screen, with icons on the left side. I want to put the clock and other notifications on the right. I have a bottom panel that shows just the active programs. Any suggestions ? | 14:18 |
| GridCube | about? | 14:18 |
| Golynx | about how to align icons on the right side of the top panel | 14:19 |
| GridCube | add a separator and set it to autoexpand | 14:19 |
| Golynx | everything floats to the left now | 14:20 |
| Golynx | GridCube: i'm new to xubuntu interface, can you tell me how to find the seperator thing | 14:20 |
| GridCube | Golynx, right click on the panel, go to panel, panel settings, last tab is items, go to the big + search "separator" add it to the panel, move it to the position you want it, go to the gear icon for the separator item settings, set it to autoexpand | 14:22 |
| Golynx | i found it thanks | 14:22 |
| gema1 | just installed testdisk, im opening the links to read, and yes, i just want the files, i dont care about the partitions, etc... | 14:23 |
| rootme | hi | 14:26 |
| starrats | I have two questions to ask one of the developers and testers of Xubuntu 14.04 Alpha 2 version | 14:41 |
| elfy | wrong channel | 14:41 |
| holstein | i would try #xubuntu-devel and/or #ubuntu+1 | 14:41 |
| elfy | thanks holstein :) | 14:42 |
| starrats | ah okay elfy | 14:42 |
| holstein | elfy: :) | 14:42 |
| starrats | thanks | 14:42 |
| gema1 | im on testdisk, i could not run photorec, im on the partition i want to backup, how do i back it up, is it Dump the option? i only have lists, repair mft and dump | 14:43 |
| holstein | gema1: could not run photorec? | 14:43 |
| gema1 | holsrwin i tried the commands on the link but are wrong (or im doing wrong) i tried sudo testdisk-6.13/photorec_static | 14:45 |
| holstein | gema1: i use a live CD.. the ultimate boot CD is what i like to use, but any with those tools will be fine | 14:45 |
| holstein | gema1: you can use tab to complete nicks in here.. type "hol" and press tab to complete my nick, or cycle through others that start "hol" for example | 14:46 |
| holstein | gema1: you are trying to recover data from a failing hard drive? | 14:46 |
| gema1 | yes | 14:47 |
| GridCube | gema1, those commands are for if you download the program from a rar | 14:47 |
| GridCube | not if you install it | 14:47 |
| gema1 | i think i got it trught test disk | 14:47 |
| GridCube | just run sudo testdisk | 14:47 |
| GridCube | or sudo photorec | 14:47 |
| gema1 | i selected my partition, then list, and coping to media/backup (my spare drive) in red color i have a "copying, please wait" | 14:47 |
| holstein | gema1: you might also want to check out http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/40577/linux-drive-recovery-las-s27e10/ and other resources | 14:48 |
| GridCube | gema1, :D | 14:48 |
| GridCube | excellent then | 14:48 |
| gema1 | i selected only my most important folder, i will try other folders if this copying goes correctly, thank you | 14:52 |
| gema1 | wow, thanks, i openend the drive and it is actually coping! thank you very much, i hope to be able to copy all the data on the failing hardrive this way | 14:52 |
| gema1 | just one question, this will copy faster than "copy paste" and ignore errors? so i will have a faster copyç | 14:52 |
| gema1 | i had the computers for 6 hours trying to copy that same folder with copy-paste | 14:53 |
| holstein | gema1: the suggested tool (test disk) is the tool to use.. the speed is not a concern, and shouldnt be | 14:53 |
| gema1 | i belive this software will ignore errors and copy faster, would it be like that or will it try to copy bad sectors too and then take forever? | 14:54 |
| holstein | gema1: the fastest and "best" way is to have backups *prior* to issues | 14:54 |
| gema1 | yes i know, my mistake i did not have a back up | 14:54 |
| holstein | gema1: you are now in recovery mode, and the time and efforts depend greatly on the hardware issues you are having and how bad things have gotten | 14:55 |
| gema1 | nevertheless, it seems it got stuck on some file, like copy-paste, files are not growing in the back up diskç | 14:55 |
| holstein | gema1: you may want to refer to a hardware channel, since this is not specifically related to xubuntu, but, one plausible option is, you may *not* be able to recover the data in any way | 14:56 |
| gema1 | right, im also offtopic, im so sorry, i stop asking | 14:57 |
| holstein | gema1: it the drive is still spinning, you likely have a decent chance of getting the data off the drive, or at least that has been my personal experience | 14:57 |
| GridCube | gema1, testdisk will try to recover the files, but if it stucks on one for too long it will move on | 14:57 |
| gema1 | i will just let the program work all day and night if necesarry, thank you for yourhelp | 14:57 |
| holstein | i have literally let that program set for *days* to recover files for others | 14:58 |
| GridCube | testdisk has the power to see stuff that other programs can not see, as photorec can see files that are erased as well | 14:58 |
| gema1 | thank you very much for the offtopic help, and thank you for the *days* hint i was not aware | 14:58 |
| gema1 | i will just let it copy for days if neccesary | 14:59 |
| gema1 | thank you again | 14:59 |
| GridCube | :) | 14:59 |
| holstein | gema1: good luck! | 14:59 |
| gema1 | holstein, last question, if this may take so long, i should just select to copy the whole partition instead of folder by folder as i did, my question is, the whole partition is the first line with one dot, or the second line with 2 dots wich selecting it im going up? | 15:02 |
| holstein | gema1: i can only state what i do.. i do the entire device. i may try and make a "forensic copy" if possible, to try and work from.. | 15:04 |
| holstein | gema1: i should say, unless i know exactly where the data is that the user wants, which is *never* the case ;) | 15:04 |
| GridCube | gema1, the dots mean: . < means "this directory" .. < means "the parent directory" | 15:04 |
| gema1 | the problem is i dont have and i cant buy a device with same capacity | 15:04 |
| GridCube | gema1, i would move the dirs that ahve the most sensible data and live with the rest being lost | 15:05 |
| gema1 | and yes, i have a partition with all the data on it, im very tidy with that, i build a partition where i always put my data on | 15:05 |
| holstein | gema1: its all about making descions.. i assure you a USB drive is *much* cheaper than a professional would charge you to recover your data | 15:05 |
| holstein | if you do know exactly what you want, then recover just those parts as GridCube suggests | 15:06 |
| gema1 | ok, so maybe i should lend some money for an usb hardrive and then copy the full disk, is that the recomendation? | 15:06 |
| gema1 | yes i actually know what i exactly want | 15:06 |
| holstein | gema1: the recommendation specifically is, decide what you want, and do what facilitates that | 15:06 |
| GridCube | ^ | 15:06 |
| GridCube | and don't blame us later ;) | 15:06 |
| holstein | gema1: i have no idea what data you want/need to recover.. if you want the whole drive, you'll need the space | 15:06 |
| gema1 | everything is in good order in my Data partition, not mixed with any os | 15:07 |
| holstein | if you dont, you can likely just use what you have.. and choose to lose the rest | 15:07 |
| gema1 | perfect, thank you again, i will try choosing just what i want, my /data partition, and if unsuccesfully then borow some money and make a full disk back up, thank you very much again | 15:08 |
| holstein | gema1: you can always put the drive back. its not like you can do anything with it.. recover what you can, and sit it somewhere in storage, knowing that it may deteriorate there | 15:08 |
| gema1 | it is allready very deteriorated, none of my 3 os are booting, and data is being backed up very slow, also the disk makes strange low noises | 15:10 |
| gema1 | so i guess i should throw it away after i back up the most i can | 15:10 |
| gema1 | so long, in 20min testdisk is running it only backed up 600mb and both disk are connected to sata, so so slow... | 15:12 |
| GridCube | gema1, those are the perks of faulty drives | 15:13 |
| gema1 | i guess i should just wait, pray and watch some tv or do something else to dont be nervous | 15:14 |
| holstein | gema1: being "pre" nervous is really the only way to certainly address this issues.. its plausible you spend 3+ days on this, and dont get the data you want back | 15:15 |
| gema1 | thank you again for the help, i will go afk, i cant stand the nervousness, i know, im just so poor i could not buy yet another spare drive, i dropped my laptop and that is how the disk broke, i learned the leason, i wont ever have a computer without a back up spare drive | 15:16 |
| superprower | Hi, i have a problem with Skype. All notifications are, how it better to say, "color" itself to the part of screen where they appear. So, i cant see, who is calling or writing me, but i can click the buttons (but i don't see them). Hope you understanded me. | 16:13 |
| cfhowlett | superprower, only skype has this issue?> | 16:14 |
| ali1234 | i've seen that happen | 16:14 |
| ali1234 | restarting fixed it though | 16:14 |
| cfhowlett | I was about to suggest adjusting appearance but if restart fixes .. | 16:14 |
| superprower | cfhowlett, well, i doesn't have any apps who write notifications like skype. | 16:15 |
| ali1234 | fiddling about with themes etc is probably what caused the problem for me in the first place | 16:15 |
| ali1234 | skype is Qt, but it uses it's own static Qt | 16:15 |
| superprower | I'l try to restart. I'am not restarting my PC, you know, so, it's maybe can help | 16:15 |
| cfhowlett | superprower, restart as per ali1234 suggests. if that doesn't fix, see settings>appearances | 16:15 |
| superprower | thnx, all working | 16:38 |
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| jkiddo | exit | 17:56 |
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| Taicho | I'm trying to recompile/rebuild the broadcom driver for my laptop and it seems to get stuck after the process finishes, is this normal? | 18:35 |
| Taicho | hello? | 18:50 |
| mapps | hello | 18:50 |
| mapps | when you say stuck whats the last output | 18:50 |
| holstein | why not use the one in the repos? | 18:51 |
| holstein | !broadcom | 18:51 |
| ubottu | Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx | 18:51 |
| Taicho | i let it runn a little longer and this is what i get | 18:51 |
| Taicho | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. taicho@taicho-Latitude:~$ sudo dpkg --configure -a Setting up bcmwl-kernel-source (6.20.155.1+bdcom-0ubuntu0.0.2) ... Removing old bcmwl-6.20.155.1+bdcom DKMS files... -------- Uninstall Beginning -------- Module: bcmwl Version: 6.20.155.1+bdcom Kernel: 3.2.0-59-generic (x86_64) ------------------------------------- Status: Before un | 18:51 |
| Taicho | the one in the repos isn't coming up as an option | 18:52 |
| Taicho | -------- Uninstall Beginning -------- Module: bcmwl Version: 6.20.155.1+bdcom Kernel: 3.2.0-59-generic (x86_64) ------------------------------------- Status: Before uninstall, this module version was ACTIVE on this kernel. wl.ko: - Uninstallation - Deleting from: /lib/modules/3.2.0-59-generic/updates/dkms/ - Original module - No original module was found for this module on this kernel. - Use the dkms install command to reinstall any | 18:53 |
| holstein | Taicho: use a package manager to try and install it | 18:53 |
| holstein | Taicho: its likely, if the repo one doesnt support it, the one you are building from broadcom wont either, and it could be some other issue | 18:53 |
| Taicho | holstien, the thing is, when i got this computer, xubuntu was preloaded on it and the wireless was working just fine and then stopped working last week | 18:55 |
| binali | Hello People=) | 18:57 |
| mapps | hey binali | 18:58 |
| binali | How are you? | 18:58 |
| mapps | did you go from running it live to installing it? think i had similar | 18:58 |
| holstein | Taicho: that sounds more to me like, the wifi chip died | 18:58 |
| mapps | good thanks - binali join #xubuntu-offtopic tho if you wish to chat people moan else | 18:58 |
| mapps | :D | 18:58 |
| Taicho | well shit :( | 18:58 |
| holstein | Taicho: i would try and confirm that, if posssible.. you really shouldnt have to install and drivers from source like that, and the evidence supports that | 18:59 |
| binali | Okay, thanks. Man, can you help me? | 18:59 |
| mapps | whats up | 18:59 |
| holstein | !language > Taicho | 18:59 |
| ubottu | Taicho, please see my private message | 18:59 |
| Taicho | how do i PM here, not used to using IRC | 19:00 |
| holstein | Taicho: /q nick | 19:00 |
| Taicho | nvm, thnink i got it | 19:00 |
| Taicho | sorry holstein | 19:02 |
| binali | When I try set priority in the taskmanager, i get message like "permisons danied" | 19:04 |
| binali | sorry for my english =( | 19:04 |
| holstein | binali: what are you trying to accomplish? sounds like its something that requires sudo | 19:05 |
| holstein | the user you are using doenst have the permissions to do what you are trying to do | 19:05 |
| xubuntu221 | anybody here? | 19:07 |
| holstein | xubuntu221: yes.. just ask if you need help | 19:07 |
| binali | I tried to run from root. That's work. But, how can I make it without sudo? | 19:08 |
| xubuntu221 | oh i need help!! hahaha... trying to do a fresh install to usb and cant get my r9 290 working | 19:08 |
| bekks | Whats a "r9 290"? | 19:08 |
| binali | For my account... | 19:09 |
| xubuntu221 | a video card | 19:09 |
| knome | binali, you shouldn't | 19:09 |
| bekks | xubuntu221: Which make and model is it? "R9"? AMD/ATI? Nvidia? | 19:09 |
| xubuntu221 | i upack the zip and it freezes during (sudo sh *.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/raring) | 19:10 |
| WalterN | bekks: the R9 290 is AMDs latest iteration of video cards | 19:11 |
| bekks | WalterN: Ah, ok. | 19:11 |
| xubuntu221 | its an AMD R9 290 the XFX branded one | 19:11 |
| WalterN | its one of the higher end models | 19:11 |
| knome | xubuntu221, are you running raring, or 13.04 then? | 19:11 |
| binali | Okay, How about experiments with SUID or GUID? | 19:12 |
| knome | binali, sudo is enabled in ubuntu because that way you know that you should think twice when your password is asked | 19:12 |
| knome | !root | binali | 19:12 |
| ubottu | binali: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo | 19:12 |
| bekks | binali: No need to experiment. Setting priority without root privileges is inhibited for good reasons. | 19:12 |
| xubuntu221 | i tried with 13.04 but was having lots of issues so i went to 12.04 because i saw people in forums confirming the drivers worked on that version | 19:13 |
| WalterN | I have one of AMDs newest APU processors which has the video card built in, and to even get any video I had to wait about a month after release and then it would only work with the unreleased Xubuntu 14.04 | 19:13 |
| bekks | xubuntu221: 13.04 is EOL. | 19:13 |
| WalterN | also, I dont have any video acceleration | 19:13 |
| WalterN | but it at least displays stuff... heh | 19:13 |
| jkiddo | has anyone tried manjaro? | 19:14 |
| knome | jkiddo, this isn't the correct place for that discussion | 19:14 |
| knome | jkiddo, you can try ##linux, or #xubuntu-offtopic | 19:14 |
| jkiddo | ok, thanks, bye | 19:14 |
| jkiddo | thank you ! | 19:14 |
| binali | Okay, thank for all people! Good Luck! | 19:15 |
| binali | =) | 19:15 |
| xubuntu221 | can anybody give me some advice where i can get help with this? | 19:16 |
| WalterN | xubuntu221: you might try the not yet released Xubuntu 14.04 and see if thats any better... with really new hardware you want a new kernel with newer drivers that go with the kernel | 19:16 |
| xubuntu221 | i've seen a bunch of people say that version 12.04 with the drivers i'm trying to use works | 19:17 |
| WalterN | I'm not sure if AMD released any drivers for their R9 series either | 19:17 |
| xubuntu221 | sudo sh *.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/raring (what is this command actually doing?) | 19:18 |
| WalterN | also | 19:18 |
| WalterN | I just got my two python programming books in the mail | 19:19 |
| WalterN | woo \o/ | 19:19 |
| knome | xubuntu221, generally, don't run commands if you don't know what they do... | 19:19 |
| xubuntu221 | knome... i'm just trying to learn | 19:19 |
| knome | WalterN, #xubuntu-offtopic too | 19:19 |
| knome | xubuntu221, sure, but apparently you have run the command already. | 19:20 |
| WalterN | xubuntu221: are you following a guide for installing the AMD video drivers? | 19:20 |
| xubuntu221 | yes... i've found a couple of postings that run through what other people have done to make it work | 19:21 |
| xubuntu221 | can i post a link here? | 19:21 |
| knome | sure. | 19:21 |
| xubuntu221 | http://highoncoins.com/litecoin-rig/how-to-install-ubuntu-and-optimize-cgminer-for-litecoin-mining-rig/ | 19:21 |
| xubuntu221 | now i've tried a bunch of times... usually i start to get hung up around ( sudo sh *.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/raring ) | 19:23 |
| knome | chances are that the driver installation just isn't going to work | 19:24 |
| xubuntu221 | thought it might be the version of xubuntu... so i went to one that i saw confirmations that it worked with the drivers i'm trying | 19:24 |
| knome | if you don't understand the process at all, not sure if you are really able to solve that issue | 19:24 |
| xubuntu221 | man... its been years since i've played with a version of linux... but i'm not foreign to setting this type of thing up | 19:25 |
| knome | xubuntu221, but you don't understand what the command you pasted does? | 19:25 |
| xubuntu221 | i'm not sure why i'm pumping the installation through a shell | 19:26 |
| xubuntu221 | can you give me any advice where to go to learn? | 19:26 |
| knome | look in the tutorial | 19:26 |
| knome | it's a command specific for that tutorial/situation | 19:26 |
| xubuntu221 | is there anyone here that wouldnt mind describing to me what this command is doing sudo sh *.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/raring? | 19:27 |
| knome | xubuntu221, no. | 19:27 |
| knome | xubuntu221, please read the tutorial you pasted | 19:27 |
| knome | it tells you what the command does | 19:27 |
| knome | to an extent | 19:27 |
| xubuntu221 | it says it gets ubuntu to do the installation itself if i remember correctly | 19:28 |
| knome | beyond that, you will need to look in the .run file to understand what it *actually* does. | 19:28 |
| holstein | or as the creators of the file | 19:28 |
| xubuntu221 | this isnt my first run through at this install... i've spent a few days trying to figure this stuff out and i'm about to just go to an os i know and never use xubuntu again... any advice where i can get help to get this up and running so i don't just give up? | 19:32 |
| WalterN | xubuntu221: so, I believe whats happening is that command is saying "run the amd-catalyst-14.1-betav1.3-linux-x86.x86_64.run file and make it build deb packages for your *buntu install" | 19:32 |
| CypherPunkr | Will ufw still be available in 14.04 or will I finally have to get back to writing iptables stuff by hand? | 19:33 |
| holstein | xubuntu221: that might be better... you should consier purchasing with linux support in mind in the future | 19:33 |
| holstein | xubuntu221: you would need to ask the provider of the driver you are using for support | 19:33 |
| elfy | CypherPunkr: ufw is installed here | 19:33 |
| WalterN | xubuntu221: what happens when you run that command anyway? is there any terminal output? | 19:33 |
| CypherPunkr | Excellent. Good to hear elfy | 19:34 |
| xubuntu221 | i get that walter... two questions... do all runs have to go through sh (cuz it sometimes looks like its completed properly but the cl prompt changes to just a ">" | 19:34 |
| WalterN | uh, no | 19:34 |
| WalterN | well | 19:34 |
| WalterN | I dont know what the run file does, it might have its own little command thing built in because something is wrong? I donno | 19:35 |
| WalterN | there is a better place to ask for AMD video driver help here on freenode | 19:36 |
| WalterN | hold on lemme grab a list of channels | 19:36 |
| xubuntu221 | thanks man | 19:36 |
| WalterN | #ati seems like the place to go | 19:37 |
| xubuntu221 | thanks i got here from xubuntu.org pointing here for help | 19:38 |
| WalterN | xubuntu221: freenode is the IRC network for all things open source, and pretty much everything related (including non-open source drivers evidently) | 19:39 |
| xubuntu221 | thanks walter... i just don't want to quit... appreciate the help | 19:40 |
| WalterN | xubuntu221: also, try pressing tab after typing the first few chars of somebodys nickname | 19:41 |
| WalterN | sigh | 19:47 |
| WalterN | so many problems with video drivers, and some newb comes in that does not know anything about linux... | 19:47 |
| * WalterN goes back to doing interesting things | 19:48 | |
| tsaavik | bah. Just tried google-chrome-unstable. Still have messed up fonts since the last update :( | 19:59 |
| tsaavik | even tried a purge and re-install of stable | 19:59 |
| holstein | tsaavik: i would ask them about it, since its coming from them.. you can try a different config or user to make sure its not an issue with your config.. | 20:00 |
| holstein | the guest account is an easy way to test that | 20:00 |
| tsaavik | I nuked my ~/.config/google-chrome + apt-get --purge | 20:00 |
| tsaavik | I'm wondering if I somehow damaged a certain font | 20:00 |
| tsaavik | alothugh I've only found the issue in chrome | 20:01 |
| tsaavik | I wanted to downgrade, but they only have the latest in their repo (jerks) | 20:01 |
| abraxus | hello - i search a tutorial to make an theme for lightdm-gtk-greeter ! (not the lightdm.conf to change the background - i will design the login screen) can everyone help me ? | 20:03 |
| tsaavik | Is there a GTK+ config panel in xfce? | 20:04 |
| abraxus | no - lightdm the login screen | 20:05 |
| holstein | tsaavik: are you running any other xfce ppa's? something that can be causing gtk issues? | 20:07 |
| CypherPunkr | abraxus, have you seen this? http://www.maketecheasier.com/customize-lightdm-themes/ | 20:07 |
| holstein | or http://www.mattfischer.com/blog/?p=5 | 20:08 |
| holstein | abraxus: ^ seems to outline the process from 2012 | 20:08 |
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| tsaavik | holstein: yeah, a bunch of stuff unfortly | 20:09 |
| holstein | tsaavik: you'd really have to start unwiding those versions to be sure.. but, it could be anything there breaking the font | 20:09 |
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| tsaavik | I wish it was closer to april :D | 20:10 |
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| yonatan | hello. | 20:23 |
| yonatan | .ping | 20:27 |
| holstein | yonatan: just ask if you have a question | 20:27 |
| yonatan | hi holstein. I was just seeing if i had my power configurations right, i wanted to close my laptop lid and not disconnect from wifi. But now that you mention it | 20:29 |
| yonatan | i just installed xubuntu. a few hours ago i was using ubuntu and at school i couldn't connect to the wifi. it was WPA/WPA2 and the bars waved on the shell/fan thing and i just kept d/cing | 20:30 |
| holstein | it can happen.. if you dont konw anything about the access point.. | 20:30 |
| holstein | i have a few places i go to that are like that intermittently | 20:31 |
| holstein | just troubleshoot as independently as possible.. make sure the device connects, and try and sort out the issue.. i had a broadcom chip that was so finicky i just replaced it finally | 20:32 |
| yonatan | yep i have broadcom too. The forums i searched on, those with similar problems also had broadcom chips. | 20:33 |
| yonatan | Honestly my other solution is to just tether using WiFi as a data source with my jailbroken iPhone | 20:33 |
| holstein | yonatan: there are always options, and ideally, broadcom would provide us with a driver that works, or the linux community with the information to create a driver that works.. which AFAIK, is happening more now | 20:35 |
| holstein | yonatan: i decided to replace the chip.. it was easy and i already had the other device sitting around | 20:35 |
| holstein | !broadcom | yonatan this might suggest a couple different drivers | 20:35 |
| holstein | !broadcom | 20:36 |
| holstein | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx | 20:36 |
| yonatan | Yep, i understand. Proprietary drivers cause people grief. I may be able to replace my chip, but i have an Acer Aspire One 725, which is rather small and the chip is most likely crammed in with other stuff. | 20:37 |
| holstein | yonatan: mine was "crammed" in an asus EEE... its really up to you.. im not saying you can sort it out with a different driver either | 20:38 |
| ubottu | yonatan this might suggest a couple different drivers: Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx | 20:40 |
| ubottu | Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx | 20:40 |
| yonatan | Holstein: I'll take a look at that link. | 20:42 |
| yonatan | so my chip is BCM4313, means out of that list i can only install the proprietary Broadcom STA wireless driver or brcmsmac | 20:43 |
| holstein | cool.. so you have a few to try | 20:43 |
| yonatan | ubottu thanks. | 20:47 |
| ubottu | You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-) | 20:47 |
| yonatan | yay | 20:47 |
| xubuntu938 | hi | 21:02 |
| yonatan | hi | 21:02 |
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| Rarrikins | What is the recommended way to install Xubuntu if I only have CD-Rs? | 21:34 |
| holstein | !mini | 21:34 |
| ubottu | The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want. The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD | 21:34 |
| Unit193 | Only have CD-Rs or can only boot off of them? | 21:34 |
| holstein | Rarrikins: ^ that'll fit | 21:34 |
| Rarrikins | Only have CD-Rs. | 21:38 |
| Rarrikins | holstein: Thanks :) | 21:38 |
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| iamaway | Hello | 22:11 |
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| iam | i am having problems with xubuntu and compiz, the main bar at the top isn't loading | 22:12 |
| knome | iam, compiz isn't really supported with xubuntu. does it work without compiz? | 22:14 |
| iam | and when i try to switch to metacity, the window bars look weird, and don't load right | 22:14 |
| knome | metacity is another thing we can't promise works well with our defautl themes | 22:14 |
| iam | http://imgur.com/a/31hgl | 22:16 |
| iam | it's really bad... | 22:16 |
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| iam | i just want it to work somewhat | 22:16 |
| iam | right now i can't even use it at all, i'm relying on my ability to start stuff from terminal | 22:16 |
| knome | if it works without compiz, there isn't much we can do to help | 22:18 |
| iam | it doesn't work without compiz | 22:18 |
| knome | without compiz and metacity, what kind of problems do you have? | 22:18 |
| iam | the main xfce bar that is supposed to be at the top isn't loading | 22:19 |
| iam | is there a way to force it to load? | 22:19 |
| knome | try running xfce4-panel | 22:19 |
| iam | xfce4-panel: There is already a running instance | 22:20 |
| knome | kill that and restart | 22:20 |
| iam | :) it just loaded | 22:20 |
| iam | now i need to fix the part where the top of the windows look weird | 22:22 |
| iam | they're not loading right | 22:22 |
| knome | iam, xfwm4 --replace | 22:22 |
| iam | cool, it works now | 22:24 |
| iam | do you have any idea what could have caused it to act so weird | 22:26 |
| iam | it was working for about 5 months | 22:27 |
| iam | and i wasn't even doing anything to it, it just suddenly stopped working | 22:28 |
| knome | iam, metacity and compiz | 22:30 |
| iam | knome, but it was working before | 22:31 |
| iam | for a very long time without a problem | 22:31 |
| knome | the point is, we can't promise anything else than xfwm4 without compiz works | 22:33 |
| iam | ok | 22:33 |
| knome | what i basically just told you was making sure you used xfwm4, not metacity | 22:33 |
| knome | and if that worked... well, the problem clearly was in metacity | 22:33 |
| Rarrikins | Is Xubuntu light enough for Pentium 4 laptops? | 22:44 |
| Unit193 | How much ram? | 22:44 |
| Rarrikins | 1.2 GB | 22:44 |
| Unit193 | I have it on a P4, don't expect magic but it does work. | 22:45 |
| Rarrikins | OK, thanks | 22:45 |
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