[03:01] <mrdeb> hi is openbox a lot different in 1404 vs 1204
[03:01] <mrdeb> worth upgrading or not, or is it only unity that is shiny .thanks
[03:02] <rww> !info openbox saucy
[03:02] <rww> !info openbox trusty
[03:02] <mrdeb> hi
[03:02] <rww> mrdeb: no, it's not a lot different
[03:02] <mrdeb> ok
[03:02] <mrdeb> so stay on 1204 to 2017, is that it
[03:03] <mrdeb> and then go to 1604
[03:03] <rww> I'd upgrade to 14.04, but it's your choice *shrug*
[03:03] <rww> (once it's released, which is not yet)
[03:03] <mrdeb> ok homie
[03:31] <AussieDownUnder> xubuntu 14.04, not sure if this is a problem or meant to happen, but for me it's being a pain. I drag & drop albums into VLC to listen to them , when I've put one album in & go to put another it won't drag the file but rather want to highlight things, I worked out I can hold down the mouse for long before dragging to then be able to hold & drag it. Seems a bit anal to me.
[03:48] <Beldar> AussieDownUnder, So your saying vlc is sentient, or your wants are the representation?  ;)
[03:52] <AussieDownUnder> beldar, It's a folder thing, when I'm looking in my music folder on my hard drive & want to click on an album folder to drag it into an already open vlc, sometimes when I'm in my hard drives folders it just tries to make my only highlight things not drag. Does that make sense?
[03:54] <Beldar> AussieDownUnder, I've not really figured out how to get vlc to have a play list per say, I use it primarily for radio and videos is all.
[04:00] <Beldar> AussieDownUnder, I just tried this with no problem, vlc version 2.0.10
[04:02] <AussieDownUnder> beldar, it's not vlc that's the problem, I'm talking about xubuntu's file managment I guess, when I'm looking at folders from the o/s not vlc.
[04:02] <AussieDownUnder> beldar, I have no problem playing albums with vlc, vlc is not the problem.
[04:02] <Beldar> ah my mistake
[04:37] <habanany> ubuntu  brainstorm is closed  ?
[04:57] <rww> habanany: yes
[06:21] <soee> some more info posted https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1283353
[06:59] <susundberg> Hu, i think i reported duplicate before, at my case it was problem that the nvidia prime overwrote the default login manager setting
[07:03] <susundberg> soee: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1267442
[07:05] <soee> susundberg: in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf ?
[07:06] <susundberg> Yeah, i think i fixed the file, but you should be ok just by moving it to say /root/ (e.g. deleting, but with backup ;)
[07:06] <susundberg> i mean, that specific nvidia-prime version had bug that it created that file with bad settings if the file didn't existis
[07:28] <soee> susundberg: did you modified lightdm.conf ?
[09:58] <susundberg> soee: yeah, i think i edited there to be proper login manager (i was using kubuntu), but i guess you can just remove the file (==copy it to other location)
[10:06] <soee> susundberg: nah it some deeper problem
[10:13] <Fudge> are dailies still building?
[10:13] <susundberg> soee: good luck with debugging ..
[10:54] <dav> Quick question, if XYZ-proposed is where packages go before going into XYZ, why is there a trusty-proposed given that trusty isn't yet stable anyway?
[11:18] <geser> it's easier to also generate the -proposed, -updates, -security etc. when a new release gets created on LP even when they aren't used yet
[11:19] <geser> and trusty-proposed is used as a staging area for newly build packages before they get moved to trusty till the release (trusty-proposed will be used for testing updates after the release as usual)
[11:27] <k1l> -proposed is used for the automated testing. to make sure there are not so much packages pushed into the release (or dev-release) that break the whole system
[11:28] <geser> k1l: we are both too late with the answer dav already left
[11:29] <k1l> yes, just realised after i answered :/
[11:34] <BluesKaj> ' Morning folks
[11:42] <streulma> hello, my unity crashes on ubuntu 14.04, also in livecd mode, is it the videocard?
[11:48] <BluesKaj> streulma, try running with no acpi in live mode, at the ubuntu page check your options, apci=off
[11:48] <BluesKaj> oop acpi=off
[11:48] <streulma> BluesKaj, yes, but I remember from before in earlier versions, that my network will not work
[11:50] <BluesKaj> streulma, have you updated/upgraded dist-upgraded since installing ?
[11:50] <streulma> BluesKaj, clean install
[11:50] <streulma> daily from today
[11:50] <streulma> tomorrow Beta1 is there :)
[11:51] <BluesKaj> no matter run the upgrades anyway
[11:55] <streulma> BluesKay, once upon a day I run Ubuntu on my unsupported Mac
[11:56] <BluesKaj> intel gpu ?
[12:04] <streulma> no nvidia 9600 512mb
[12:07] <BluesKaj> streulma, install the nvidia-331 driver
[12:44] <SuperLag> hooray... compiz crashes remain
[13:07] <xsacha> hi, just wondering approx. what time beta 1 is due?
[13:23] <streulma> xsacha: tomorrow I think
[13:23] <xsacha> sure but what time, GMT, until i could find a built iso?
[13:24] <k1l> 23:55 in the last timezone ;p
[13:25] <k1l> if you are that impatient go with the daily. it will upgrade to the beta anyway
[13:47] <xsacha> k1l: oh it can upgrade to milestone release? awesome, thanks
[13:56] <k1l> xsacha: milestone releases are just snapshots of the daily development.
[13:57] <k1l> i think they get some extendet iso testing but if you install a milestone and run a update you will be the same state as daily
[13:58] <xsacha> ahh thanks!
[14:13] <Wnt> I'm using Gnome shell in 14.04. If I choose Ambiance as the GTK+ theme I don't get any resize gandles in the edges of some applications, e.g. Nautilus and gnome-tweak-tool. Should I report problems like this somewhere?
[14:14] <Wnt> Using the default Adawaita theme there are resize handles in those applications
[14:18] <Wnt> Also, in the default interface font Cantarell the characters '8' and '9' are not as tall as other characters, while e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cantarell2.svg shows that they should be as tall as other characters
[15:08] <urmysony> Hi all
[15:09] <urmysony> I was trying to install unity8 mir but it broke my system
[15:09] <urmysony> Now m not able to go past login screen
[15:11] <urmysony> Gettibg message like stopping system v runlevel compatibility..
[15:12] <urmysony> Help please..
[15:19] <Wnt> urmysony: how did you install it?
[15:19] <urmysony> I followed from omgubuntu site
[15:20] <Wnt> maybe you can uninstall it from a command line only virtual terminal (ctrl + alt + F1)
[15:20] <urmysony> But that didn't work.. So i installed from deb directly..
[15:20] <urmysony> That i already removed.. But now its not passing greeter
[15:37] <Daekdroom> He possibly didn't have the -proposed repos installed, then manually installed a .deb file that broke dependencies and removed important packages
[15:37]  * Daekdroom sighs
[15:49] <genii> My webcam stopped working with the latest round of updates
[16:58] <soee> susundberg: iv been using xorg ppa and it seems that thir packages break nvidia-prime
[16:58] <soee> iv reinstalled from trusty ppa
[16:58] <soee> and it seems to work fine
[16:58] <soee> *edgers
[17:00] <genii> soee: I also had nvidia breakage today from xorg-edgers
[17:01] <soee> yeah when reinstalling where was an warning that some patch cant be applied
[17:02] <soee> patch reladted 3.13 kernel
[17:02] <soee> *related
[17:10] <susundberg> soee: oh, ok.
[17:10] <xsacha> 3.13 has been great for my graphics drivers (radeon)
[17:43] <pietro10> $ ls /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6
[17:43] <pietro10> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6
[17:43] <pietro10> $ gcc -m32 ... -L/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ -lX11  -lpthread
[17:44] <pietro10> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11
[17:44] <pietro10> I have libX11:i386 (or whatever it's called precisely) instealled - what am I doing wrong? thanks
[17:52] <genii> pietro10: Might try: sudo ln -s /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libX11.so
[17:53] <pietro10> is there a package I can install that does that? I'm personally not a fan of manually touching /usr/lib like that
[17:54] <genii> pietro10: All it's doing is making a symbolic link to libX11.so.6
[17:57] <pietro10> eh
[17:57] <pietro10> all right then
[17:58] <pietro10> I had problems when I tried to fix libpng errors and earlier multiarch issues manually so eh
[17:59] <pietro10> either way, thanks
[18:56] <xsacha> just wondering, how is hybrid graphics handled in ubuntu 14.04?
[18:57] <xsacha> i seem to be on the intel gpu now. xrandr shows intel and amd
[18:59] <xsacha> running something with DRI_PRIME=1 seems to use the amd gpu, interesting
[19:01] <xsacha> whoops, running glxgears on the amd and then the intel crashed compiz