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[03:02] <sergiusens> stgraber, when I told yesterday that the '/' in channels wasn't working it actually was
[03:03] <stgraber> sergiusens: oh, good!
[03:04] <sergiusens> stgraber, just tell me later on what you want the default channel to be (and when this is landing) so I can make a change in the default
[03:06] <stgraber> sergiusens: yep, I'll try to do an end to end test tomorrow to make sure all works fine and if that's the case will figure out when I want to do the switch and send an e-mail to ubuntu-phone
[03:06] <stgraber> sergiusens: there'll be a transition period of a month or so anyway, so we can just flip the default during that time
[03:07] <sergiusens> ah, great
[03:22] <krkeco> hello hello
[03:22] <krkeco> anyone online?
[03:22] <krkeco> i just installed ubuntu on my nexus4 via multirom and had a couple questions
[03:23] <krkeco> can you bluetooth keyboard/mouse?  I cant seem to add anything it just says looking for headset (which does not bode well imo)
[03:23] <krkeco> is there an app store?
[03:26] <krkeco> everyone is asleep =(
[03:26] <asac> cyphermox: ^^
[03:26] <asac> krkeco: if he is not around check back tomorrow earlier
[03:28] <krkeco> o ok
[03:28] <krkeco> thanks
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[05:25] <Mirv> asac: so as answered by rsalveti, he or sergiusens was to port qtmultimedia-touch to 5.2 which is what blocks audio/video. additionally jhodapp promised to handle https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtvideo-node/+bug/1267818 but it's still waiting
[05:25] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1267818 in qtvideo-node (Ubuntu) "Please remove qtmultimedia private headers usage to work with Qt 5.2" [Critical,Confirmed]
[05:28] <Mirv> asac: ..and on the other channel it seems sergiusens has some package being prepared, but I'm not seeing yet a ping to me telling where's the PPA it can be copied to the 5.2 PPA from
[05:36] <Mirv> jhodapp: can you give a status update on the bug #1267818?
[05:36] <ubot5> bug 1267818 in qtvideo-node (Ubuntu) "Please remove qtmultimedia private headers usage to work with Qt 5.2" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1267818
[06:00] <frecel>  can anyone run html5 touch apps in Ubuntu SDK?
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[08:21] <dholbach> good morning
[08:32] <andon185> dear all, can i install my htc senxation with ubuntu touh?
[08:32] <andon185> dear all, can i install my htc senxation with ubuntu touch?
[08:35] <popey> !devices | andon185
[08:35] <ubot5> andon185: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[08:35] <popey> is it on that list?
[09:21] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy For Pete’s Sake Day! :-D
[09:26] <Tassadar> ogra: I've noticed that with same rootfs, flo is running mir by default but hammerhead is not - is there some whitelist of devices which have mir enabled by default?
[09:26] <ogra> hmm ?
[09:26] <ogra> many people use hammerhead with rootstock, works for them with the default rootfs
[09:28] <Tassadar> I have system-image server which takes rootfs from system-image.ubuntu.com and it builds device parts for hammerhead, it's not using rootstock
[09:28] <ogra> Tassadar, the only extra thing rootstock does is: "touch /home/phablet/.display-mir"
[09:28] <ogra> try doing that manually after install
[09:28] <Tassadar> when I install flo from system-image, it has is using mir by default, whereas on hammerhead, I have to create .display-mir
[09:29] <Tassadar> *it is using mir...
[09:29] <ogra> since hammerhead is not in the supported arches ...
[09:29] <ogra> i'll add it to the mir setup list once we can upload again (hopefully this week)
[09:30] <paa> hi
[09:31] <paa> how can i install ubuntu touch on my arc s
[09:31] <Tassadar> ogra: okay, thanks - so mir has some "whitelist"?
[09:32] <ogra> Tassadar, the function touching the file has, yes
[09:32] <paa> any help
[09:33] <ogra> !devices | paa
[09:33] <ubot5> paa: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[09:33] <ogra> paa, if it is not on that list, you can search xda-developer forums (they sometimes have additional images)
[09:33] <ogra> if that doesnt help i fear you have to do the porting yourself
[09:34] <paa> how can i do de porting
[09:35] <Tassadar> ogra: so it creates .display-mir by itself then, I guess I can put it in "custom" file for images on my server then - do you know if that works even for files in /home/phablet?
[09:35] <ogra> no idea, try it i guess :)
[09:35] <ogra> but i'll add it to the list anyway, i'll ping you if that landed
[09:36] <Tassadar> well, at least I'll try setting-up that custom file
[09:37] <paa> pls how do i port my device
[09:38] <ogra> paa, see the channel topic, there is a link ... it is not a simple task though
[09:40] <paa> ok ready to learn
[09:55] <Tassadar> yeah, custom tarballs work even for files in /home
[09:56] <ogra> Tassadar, and the file makes it work ?
[09:56] <Tassadar> yeah, it adds /home/phablet/.display-mier
[09:56] <Tassadar> *mir
[09:56] <ogra> and that file makes the device work ?
[09:57] <Tassadar> it always worked with MIR
[09:57] <ogra> well, that wasnt clear from your question :)
[09:58] <Tassadar> there are some graphic glitches with surfaceflinger, but everythings fine with mir
[10:26] <nhaines> ogra: yes, I can confirm that on hammerhead there are some graphical glitches with surfaceflinger (when right-edge-swiping apps, but not the Dash for some reason) but they go away when using Mir.
[10:27] <ogra> yes, thats known, on 4.4 SF wont work well with unity dur to changes on the android level
[10:27] <ogra> (the drivers use hwcomposer now)
[10:27] <nhaines> Hmm, that makes sense I suppose.  :)
[10:28] <ogra> and we dont really want to support SF anyway anymore
[10:28] <ogra> (things like broken screenshotting still leave it available ... once these are fixed i guess we'll drop it completely)
[10:30] <nhaines> ogra: I was rather affirming that Mir runs perfectly on hammerhead.  :)
[10:30] <ogra> yeah, thanks :)
[10:31] <nhaines> Tassadar: also, thanks so much for your hard work.  I'm looking forward to MultiROM Manager supporting Ubuntu Touch updates on my Nexus 5!  It definitely got me through SCALE.  :)
[10:34] <Tassadar> hm, by the way - my system-image server is pretty crappy VPS, and while it has "unlimited" bandwidth, is is connected via 100Mbit line. Does anybody here have any idea about how many people will that handle until it becames unusably slow?
[10:50] <theognoob> hello
[10:50] <theognoob> anyone here?
[10:50] <ogra> only 263 people apart from you
[11:06] <davmor2> Morning all
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[12:58] <wthielen> hi all, trying to install saucy on my Galaxy Nexus using ubuntu-device-flash --channel saucy --bootstrap --device maguro
[12:58] <wthielen> i suppose this should be done when the phone is in the bootloader...
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[13:10] <ogra> wthielen, yes, the bootstrap option needs that
[13:11] <wthielen> ok cool, its now showing the green android thingy with the rotating ... dodecahedron?
[13:11] <wthielen> or hexahedron, can't count the sides
[13:12] <wthielen> last time i installed trusty, via many ways, and it black-screened on me... so im hoping saucy is more lucky
[13:16] <wthielen> ok, it rebooted, showed the Google booting screen for quite a long time... and now its black..
[13:16] <wthielen> i doubt its working at all :(
[13:19] <wthielen> oh... i had to freaking tap it...
[13:20] <ogra> thats most likely just a coincidence
[13:20] <ogra> maguro is simply just super slow
[13:20] <ogra> especially on first boot
[13:20] <wthielen> yea, it feels a bit sluggish
[13:20] <ogra> trusty is a bit better
[13:21] <wthielen> is there a way to "go back" without having to slide up from the bottom and hit back?
[13:21] <ogra> (not very much though ... and maguro will be unsupported within the next weeks anyway)
[13:21] <wthielen> :(
[13:21] <wthielen> i have a Nexus 5 but im running Kitkat on that one
[13:22] <wthielen> this maguro is just my previous phone, and thought about giving Ubuntu Touch a shot there
[13:23] <ogra> i think Tassadar just made dual boot for the nexus5 work with his MultiROM stuff
[13:24] <ogra> maguro is ok for testing apps you develop but imho not really usable as a daily device, the graphics driver support in Mir just sucks for it
[13:24] <wthielen> ... dualboot! sounds good!
[13:25] <Tassadar> as of now, it can boot the first testing images, I'll hook it up to system-image once bug 1278589 is resolved
[13:25] <ubot5> bug 1278589 in Ubuntu system image "Support turning off https from channel.ini" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1278589
[13:25] <Tassadar> wthielen: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2571011
[13:25] <wthielen> thanks!
[13:26] <wthielen> bookmarked, good read for work tomorrow :)
[13:27] <ogra> the N5 will give oyu an actual impression of Ubuntu on phones ... the ones that go on sale this year will have equal hardware
[13:27] <ogra> maguro just gives a bad impression if you ask me
[13:27] <wthielen> ok i'll keep that in mind
[13:27] <wthielen> Tassadar: is there any performance drop when using multirom?
[13:28] <Tassadar> no
[13:28] <wthielen> or does it just give you the choice which to use, and then its totally that ROM?
[13:28] <wthielen> cool
[13:28] <Tassadar> are you familiar with XDA and custom ROMs?
[13:28] <wthielen> i have been using stock ROM all the time, but im familiar with flashing stuff
[13:29] <wthielen> i tried rooting etc, and flashed back to stock
[13:29] <Tassadar> shouldn't be too hard to use then. Anyway, feel free to ask me if you encounter any problem with it
[13:30] <wthielen> thanks!
[13:30] <Tassadar> by the way, when you install it, you won't be able to use stock ROM's OTA updates, but that's the case with nearly all modifications you can find on XDA
[13:30] <wthielen> i see
[13:31] <wthielen> so i'd have to re-add it into your MultiROM
[13:31] <Tassadar> I usually release a ZIP file which can be used to update stock rom instead of OTA, it's the same thing but you have to download it and flash it
[13:31] <wthielen> using images from google's site
[13:31] <wthielen> yea
[13:31] <wthielen> does saucy support Japanese input by the way?
[13:34] <Tassadar> I don't think it supports anything else than english at this point, not sure though
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[13:37] <wthielen> apparently its possible, using Anthy, which i know from ubuntu desktop
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[13:49] <jhodapp> Mirv: rsalveti has an MR for bug #1267818 and I'll be reviewing it shortly
[13:49] <ubot5> bug 1267818 in qtvideo-node (Ubuntu) "Please remove qtmultimedia private headers usage to work with Qt 5.2" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1267818
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[13:51] <Mirv> jhodapp: great!
[13:52] <jhodapp> Mirv, sorry for the delay, so much to do, so little time
[13:54] <wthielen> ok thanks for the info today! going to bed now.
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[14:11] <Mirv> jhodapp: familiar feeling :)
[14:12] <jhodapp> Mirv, hehe
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[15:10] <mhall119> kalikiana: ping
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[15:37] <frecel> Popey: I tried to ubuntufy my game last night, I think I know what you needed a documentation written for
[15:37] <popey> frecel: oh?
[15:38] <frecel> popey: the Ubuntu UI for html5 changed significantly
[15:40] <frecel> popey: but if you can use me for something I can do some stuff once I'm done with breakfast
[15:40] <popey> frecel: let me find the guy responsible for this.. one mo
[15:40] <FuLgOrE_> hello. I saw that the terminal app enter and backspace button bug is solved. It's not working for me on hammerhead. Do you know how to update it? I used apt-get upgrade.
[15:41] <popey> FuLgOrE_: what version are you running?
[15:41] <FuLgOrE_> ups
[15:41] <FuLgOrE_> found it
[15:41] <popey> heh
[15:41] <popey> FuLgOrE_: meet kyleN
[15:41] <popey> er, frecel meet kyleN
[15:42] <popey> FuLgOrE_: ignore me ☻
[15:42] <FuLgOrE_> popey: thank's anyway ;)
[15:42] <kyleN> hey frecel
[15:42] <frecel> hi kyleN
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[15:43] <kyleN> frecel, pinging you in side channel
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[15:50] <sergiusens> FuLgOrE_, for future ref, the terminal app is a click package; apt-get won't get it
[15:54] <FuLgOrE_> sergiusens: yes, I found the updater. my fault ;-)
[15:54] <popey> sergiusens: tested sudoku 161, but now balloons is awake, he can upload to the store ㋛ that okay balloons ?
[15:54] <popey> balloons: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/All/job/sudoku-app-click/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/com.ubuntu.sudoku_1.0.161_all.click was the one I tested
[15:54] <balloons> popey, sure can no worries
[15:55] <popey> win
[15:56] <balloons> popey, it's uploaded
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[15:58] <popey> BOOM!
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[17:14] <bfiller> mzanetti: is there a bug filed for the issue we talked about the other day with launching a click package from the scope falling through?
[17:17] <mhall119> kalikiana: any chance you can have U1DB API docs for QML for me this week?
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[17:20] <kalikiana> mhall119: I will try. I need to finish stuff for app settings, so towards the end of the week I should have time to look at the docs build
[17:21] <mhall119> kalikiana: ok, I'm going to just publish the C++ version I had in sdk-1.0 into sdk-14.04 for now, and I'll replace it as soon as you have the QML docs ready
[17:23] <kalikiana> okay.
[17:30] <mzanetti> bfiller: hmm, no, I don't think so
[17:30] <xnox> rsalveti: so in l
[17:31] <xnox> rsalveti: so in ppa:ubuntu-toolchain/android there is gcc-4.8 based arm-linux-androideabi toolchain building.
[17:31] <rsalveti> awesome
[17:31] <xnox> rsalveti: i've tried to compile android package with it.... but most modules declare -Werror, and are clearly not 4.8-Werror clean.
[17:31] <rsalveti> yeah
[17:31] <ogra> sigh
[17:31] <xnox> rsalveti: and hence i'm handing it over to you ;-)
[17:31] <rsalveti> would need some more work
[17:32] <rsalveti> but that's fine
[17:32]  * ogra wants -Werror to die 
[17:32] <ogra> in flames !!!
[17:32] <xnox> rsalveti: or figure out how to override -Wno-error, even for a test build....
[17:32] <rsalveti> as you tested it, we could just have it in the archive I'd guess
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[17:32] <bfiller> mzanetti: do you mind filing one so we can track?
[17:32] <rsalveti> xnox: I believe it's a default option around build/ or similar
[17:32] <mzanetti> bfiller: ack
[17:37] <awe> barry, thanks for looking over the ofono-scripts pull request
[17:40] <xnox> rsalveti: i386 toolchain finished building, and amd64 one should be done soon after. enjoy =)
[17:40] <rsalveti> awesome
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[17:57] <balloons> sergiusens, rsalveti can we land this, https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/phablet-tools/add-cmake-dependency/+merge/204269, so I don't see confusion like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7000997/ :-)
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[18:10] <mzanetti> bfiller: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1285286
[18:10] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1285286 in Unity 8 "appid:// entries in FrequentlyUsedAppsModel are not handled correctly" [Undecided,New]
[18:11] <bfiller> mzanetti: thanks
[18:35] <barry> awe: np!
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[19:04] <thomi> ted_: UpstartAppLaunch.start_application_test is what I want, right?
[19:05] <mandel> barry, when they say that we have to set a switch in the silo and they talk about roberto, are they talking about ralsina_ ?
[19:05] <ralsina_> mandel: yes, and I already flipped that switch
[19:05] <mandel> ralsina_, awesome!
[19:06] <ralsina_> mandel: IIUC this is now just blocked like everything else on CI train
[19:06] <mandel> ralsina_, ok, well that is something that we do not have control over
[19:07] <barry> ralsina_: what was the actual switch that you flipped? ;)
[19:07] <ralsina_> barry: it's a cell in the silo's spreadsheet
[19:08] <ralsina_> I made it green :-)
[19:08] <barry> ralsina_: pretty! thanks :)
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[19:27] <Tassadar> barry: saw you've merged that proposal I've submited, thank you. How long should it take for it to get into trusty-proposed?
[19:32] <barry> Tassadar: i'm running one last full test on the merged branch, which i expect to pass.  then i'll push it to trunk.  i don't yet have plans to release 2.2, and probably have to wait until the touch landings get unblocked (we already have a new s-i version waiting to land and i don't want to interfere with that).
[19:33] <barry> Tassadar: all that to say: it'll be in trunk within the hour, no eta yet on getting it into trusty
[19:34] <Tassadar> okay, thanks
[19:42] <ted_> thomi, Yes
[19:43] <ted_> thomi, Or, at least, I hope so :-)
[19:43] <thomi> ted_: OK. I realise that this won't work for Gtk apps on the desktop, but we don't care about those for now
[19:43] <ted_> thomi, I'm happy to add other variables there.  It's just putting them in an if statement.
[19:44] <thomi> ted_: well, for Gtk apps it ought to add 'autopilot' to the 'GTK_MODULES' environment variable
[19:46] <thomi> ted_: also: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart-app-launch/+bug/1285321
[19:46] <ubot5> Error: ubuntu bug 1285321 not found
[19:46] <thomi> ted_: that bug is still private, but I assume you can see it?
[19:46] <ted_> thomi, Hmm, seems I can't.
[19:47] <thomi> ted_: try again now
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[19:49] <ted_> thomi, I can see it, but I don't think we can return true/false in that case because it's async.
[19:49] <ted_> thomi, You should be able to listen for the failed handler.
[19:49] <thomi> ted_: ok, well, it at least shouldn't crash :)
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[19:49] <ted_> thomi, Yes :-)
[19:49] <thomi> ted_: and I assume that in that case my observers will be called?
[19:49] <ted_> thomi, They should be.
[19:50]  * ted_ was looking for the retrace, and then noticed it was 1 minute ago :-)
[19:50] <thomi> yeah
[19:51] <thomi> ted_: where does libUAL look for applications? can I modify $PATH and have it start an application in my home dir (for example)?
[19:51] <ted_> thomi, It executes based on path, but it needs a desktop file to know what to exec.
[19:51] <ted_> thomi, You can add one to ~/.local/share/applications/
[19:52] <ted_> thomi, The thing to make sure of is that it gets a new environment from Upstart, so you need to modify the PATH for Upstart, not the one in the current process.
[19:53] <thomi> ted_: if we create a desktop file, do we still need to modify PATH? My understanding is that the desktop file contains the full path to the executable?
[19:54] <ted_> thomi, Typically it doesn't, it refers to something in the path.  It could though.
[19:55] <thomi> ok, I'll play around with it :)
[20:02] <Tassadar> barry: one more thing - would it be okay to put system-image-client built from current trunk into my custom tarbal on my system-image server, so that the changes are present on the device? I mean, I'm pretty sure it would work, but I'm kinda worried about breaking things
[20:03] <barry> Tassadar: i think that would work
[20:03] <Tassadar> cool, let's try it)
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[20:16] <mterry_> boiko, how do text / call notifications stack up if you get multiples?
[20:20] <boiko> mterry_: you mean the notifyOSD for them?
[20:21] <mterry_> boiko, yes
[20:21] <boiko> mterry_: I don't particularly do anything in regarding to that, I just trust the notifyOSD "delegate" to do the right thing
[20:22] <mterry_> boiko, we can only have one incoming call at a time?
[20:22] <mterry_> though I assume we can have multiple texts incoming obvi
[20:23] <mterry_> boiko, or maybe one incoming call per sim card.  hm
[20:25] <boiko> mterry_: yep, only one incoming call at a time
[20:25] <boiko> mterry_: we can have multiple texts, but I think it shows one at a time, and then you can see them in the messaging-menu
[20:59] <asac> barry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1284217
[20:59] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1284217 in system-image (Ubuntu) "[updates] Displays a spinner indefinitely when an update download was started externally" [Critical,Fix committed]
[20:59] <asac> barry: is that in th esilo already?
[21:00] <asac> barry: 010 has a comment that the silo needs this bug to be fixed before landing
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[21:00] <asac> barry: so wonder if thats fix committed and we just have to add i tthere
[21:00] <asac> ralsina_: ^^
[21:01] <ralsina_> asac: I don't know about that bug, barry is the guy who should
[21:01] <asac> ralsina_: yeah, but you are the lander of 011 :)
[21:01] <asac> and that has a comment that the bug above neds to be fixed first
[21:01] <asac> so maybe barry should talk to you
[21:01] <asac> or you to barry :)
[21:01] <barry> asac: yes, that bug is in the silo
[21:01] <barry> er, bug fix :)
[21:02] <ralsina_> see? communication! :-)
[21:02] <barry> asac, ralsina_ the weirdness is that in my trunk, it will be released with system-image 2.2, but i've backported the fix to 2.1-0ubuntu4 which is the version in the silo
[21:03] <asac> barry: right ... this is why we dont really want the trunk to be not in th eimage
[21:03] <asac> and suggest to never do branches :)
[21:03] <asac> just land step by step
[21:03] <asac> as you commit
[21:04] <asac> barry: so is there a separate branch that is in th esilo?
[21:04] <barry> asac: that might be ideal, but with the process so stuck these days, it's not really feasible
[21:04] <asac> barry: i mean the silo MP must be against something
[21:04] <barry> asac: yes, we have a managed branch that contains the packaging and code
[21:04] <asac> barry: well. thats not true. you can use the silo as a branch while landing is stuck
[21:04] <asac> it adds more risk the more you add
[21:04] <asac> but still you can use this as a temp branch basically
[21:04] <asac> anyway, not the point here
[21:05] <barry> ralsina_, asac also this: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg06614.html
[21:05] <barry> right, we had a long discussion about this in london :)
[21:06] <barry> but anyway, landing 10 will fix the two big problems.  Laney and others have verified it
[21:06] <asac> barry: but the comment says that this also needs the bug fix
[21:06] <asac> otherwise we get a UI regression
[21:07] <asac> barry: is that bug fix in the silo alrewady?
[21:07] <asac> barry: will this fix the update problems?
[21:07] <barry> asac: the silo has fixes for LP: #1277589 and LP: #1284217
[21:07] <asac> is this THE landing for that?
[21:07] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1277589 in ubuntu-download-manager "Better protection against concurrent access" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1277589
[21:07] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1284217 in system-image (Ubuntu) "[updates] Displays a spinner indefinitely when an update download was started externally" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284217
[21:07] <barry> asac: it is!
[21:08] <asac> barry: so the comment "Do not release this silo until https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1284217 is fixed, otherwise we'll have a UX regression"
[21:08] <asac> is not valid in there?
[21:08] <barry> asac: sorry, where are you seeing that comment?
[21:09] <barry> oh, now i see, there's a tab on the spreadsheet
[21:10]  * barry works the time machine
[21:13] <ralsina_> barry: that comment was put there by laney I think ( =I did not put it there)
[21:13] <barry> ralsina_: yes, i'm pretty sure it was.  Laney submitted the original bug, and we worked out a fix, which we both tested
[21:13] <barry> from the silo ppa
[21:59] <Lost34> hi
[22:04] <Lost34> does anyone installed the last 2/26 update?
[22:24] <memeka> hi everyone, how difficult is to build ubuntu touch for a new device, desktop interface (1080p resolution), which already has good support in CM?
[22:25] <memeka> and would you recommend ubuntu touch for desktop?
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[23:03] <pmcgowan> nik90, fyi the alarm stuff is not as complete as I was fooled into believing
[23:03] <pmcgowan> works nicely when phone is awake, but not yet setting a wakeup
[23:07] <nik90> pmcgowan: what do you mean?
[23:07] <nik90> pmcgowan: I actually woke up to ubuntu touch these past 2 days
[23:07] <nik90> it just started ringing in the morning even when the phone was locked
[23:07] <rsalveti> was it charging?
[23:08] <nik90> rsalveti: no
[23:08] <rsalveti> then for some reason your cpu was still on
[23:09] <pmcgowan> nik90, it seems to go into a lower power mode but not deep sleep
[23:09] <pmcgowan> so we still have some work to set the wakeup on /dev/alarm
[23:09] <nik90> pmcgowan: can we expect that by 14.04?
[23:09] <pmcgowan> oh yes
[23:10] <pmcgowan> there is stuff in process, just has not landed and I was fooled into thinking it had
[23:10] <nik90> ah okay
[23:10] <pmcgowan> rsalveti, any ideas why we don't go into deep sleep?
[23:10] <nik90> well meanwhile I am coordinating with others on fixing the bugs we spotted like the timezone issue etc etc.
[23:10] <rsalveti> not yet, we still need to investigate
[23:10] <pmcgowan> yeah its functional enough to find all those
[23:11] <pmcgowan> rsalveti, figured
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[23:15] <n-iCe> hello guys, is there a place to look what's still not working on a Nexus 4?
[23:23] <nik90> n-iCe: I think you can find it at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArLs7UPtu-hJdDZDNWliMmV1YUJ3Zk1pQlpDdGp4VFE&usp=sharing#gid=0
[23:24] <nik90> n-iCe: I found that google document link at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[23:25] <n-iCe> thanks
[23:25] <n-iCe> you use ubuntu phone?
[23:26] <pmcgowan> n-iCe, thats pretty out of date, I will bug the guys to update it
[23:27] <n-iCe> pmcgowan: you own a n4?
[23:27] <pmcgowan> n-iCe, yes but I work for canonical, so its a bit of a dev target for me
[23:27] <pmcgowan> but it works every day
[23:27] <pmcgowan> several folks using as their primary phone
[23:27]  * mhall119 is one of those folks
[23:28] <mhall119> so I just discovered that the messaging-app can send a message to multiple recipients, that's kind of cool
[23:29] <pmcgowan> yeah, that hit a couple weeks back
[23:29] <mhall119> pmcgowan: the videos popping up on the internet of the meizu mx3 running Ubuntu look so fast and smooth, makes me want to trade in my N4
[23:29] <n-iCe> pmcgowan: so you have a special dev ubuntu phone version?
[23:30] <pmcgowan> n-iCe, no its a stick nexus 4, I just add test stuff there a lot
[23:30] <pmcgowan> stock
[23:30] <pmcgowan> running the latest every day
[23:30] <n-iCe> I see, are there apps already? like twitter, instagram, foursquare, etc?
[23:30] <pmcgowan> webapp for twitter
[23:30] <mhall119> twitter, facebook, gmail and G+ are all there as webapps
[23:30] <n-iCe> instagram? foursquare? vine?
[23:30] <n-iCe> no yet right?
[23:31] <pmcgowan> friends app is there as well
[23:31] <mhall119> not yet
[23:31] <n-iCe> that's sad
[23:31] <mhall119> any online service that provides a nice mobile-web interface you can wrap in a browser window pretty easily
[23:31] <n-iCe> do you think it is running better than android? talking about performance/battery?
[23:31] <mhall119> n-iCe: well we don't even have a phone available to buy yet, those guys will come on board eventually
[23:32] <n-iCe> mhall119: so it is a no?
[23:32] <n-iCe> I remember the first time ubuntu phone was available, long time ago, maybe a a year and a half?
[23:32] <mhall119> n-iCe: it's comparable, I never ran Android on the N4, and my last android phone was the Motorola DroidX, so it wouldn't be a fair comparison
[23:33] <mhall119> n-iCe: just about a year ago
[23:33] <n-iCe> mhall119: yeah
[23:33] <n-iCe> I would love to try it, but without my apps, it is just useless
[23:33] <n-iCe> for me at least
[23:33] <mhall119> n-iCe: I can go all day on my N4 and still have 50% or more battery when I go to sleep
[23:34] <mhall119> n-iCe: more apps will come, especially when we have phones and users for them to target :)
[23:34] <n-iCe> I am reading there is no whatsapp app, which is the one I use the most, I really need that app, for work, school, friends, family.
[23:35] <mhall119> n-iCe: we have contacted them, but they were too involved in other things (selling themselves to FB and getting crazy rich it turns out) at the time
[23:40] <n-iCe> :(
[23:45] <nhaines> n-iCe: I bought the T-Mobile G1.  Preordered it about 20 minutes after the first Android press conference, actually.
[23:45] <nhaines> There were no Android apps back then, either.
[23:47] <n-iCe> I know, the problem is whatsapp, I coul live with the other apps websites, but not with the message app
[23:51] <n-iCe> check this out http://openwhatsapp.org/download/
[23:52] <sergiusens> n-iCe, http://openwhatsapp.org/blog/tags/dmca/
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[23:52] <n-iCe> oh :(
[23:58] <nhaines> n-iCe: my point isn't that you shouldn't depend on Whatsapp.  I'm sure it's fine.  But my point is that Android launched with maybe 30 apps.  Ubuntu 13.10 came out as a dev preview and 14.04 isn't out yet, plus there are no shipping phones.
[23:58] <nhaines> So it's not time to panic about lack of apps yet.  :)