[00:16] <jrwren> omg.
[00:16] <jrwren> never forget.
[00:16] <jrwren> what did you get?
[00:29] <gamerchick02> Pad Thai from Thai Fortune on Walton
[00:40] <mrgoodcat> any i3 gurus online?
[00:40] <mrgoodcat> gamerchick02: i heard you were wondering about chromebooks?
[00:40] <gamerchick02> you heard right
[00:40] <mrgoodcat> what's the question?
[00:40] <mrgoodcat> i have one
[00:40] <gamerchick02> i was wondering if someone knew how to take apart the HP11 and put a 128gb SSD in and add some ram
[00:41] <gamerchick02> i3? i've heard of that but never tried it
[00:41] <mrgoodcat> aha. i remember seeing a writeup of that
[00:41] <mrgoodcat> hang on
[00:41] <gamerchick02> oooo
[00:43] <waf> mrgoodcat: widox and I both run i3. not sure if we're gurus :)
[00:44] <gamerchick02> what is the advantage to i3 as opposed to unity or kde or whatever?
[00:44] <waf> gamerchick02: i3 is a tiling window manager, so it manages the placement of your windows for you
[00:45] <gamerchick02> ah. cool. i've never gotten used to a tiling WM
[00:45] <gamerchick02> is it minimal?
[00:45] <mrgoodcat> http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/globalcitizenship/environment/productdata/Countries/_MultiCountry/disassembly_notebo_2013101423026263.pdf
[00:45] <mrgoodcat> waf: what do you use to configure wifi?
[00:45] <gamerchick02> why thank you!
[00:45] <mrgoodcat> np
[00:46] <waf> mrgoodcat: i use arch, so it's wifi-menu and netctl
[00:46] <waf> i think those might be arch specific, but i'm not sure
[00:46] <waf> i think rick_h_ uses ubuntu with a tiling wm, and i _think_ he uses network-manager, maybe with the applet
[00:46] <waf> don't quote me on that, though
[00:47] <gamerchick02> i think rick_h_ uses awesomewm
[00:47] <waf> yeah
[00:47] <gamerchick02> thanks. that pdf is saved for when i want to take it apart and attempt to upgrade it.
[00:48] <gamerchick02> chromeOS is fine but it's kind of... limited. :-P
[00:50] <mrgoodcat> gamerchick02: you may not be able to upgrade the ram
[00:50] <mrgoodcat> and the ssd is not a regular ssd
[00:50] <mrgoodcat> its eMMC
[00:51] <gamerchick02> oh dang it
[00:51] <gamerchick02> i might just leave it alone then
[00:51] <gamerchick02> phooey
[00:52] <gamerchick02> switching computers. i really should get some sort of server to run irc on so i don't lose my sessions
[00:52] <waf> gamerchick02: sorry, didn't see your question. i3 is pretty minimal, but it's one of the more user-friendly and polished tiling wms.
[00:53] <gamerchick02> cool. i might look into giving it a shot on ubuntu. i'm sure it's in the repos
[00:53] <mrgoodcat> supposedly this ssd works
[00:53] <mrgoodcat> http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/solid-state-drives-sata-m.2-ngff-ssd
[00:53] <gamerchick02> thanks
[00:53] <mrgoodcat> gamerchick02: its in the repos. thats how i installed
[00:53] <mrgoodcat> apt-get install i3
[00:53] <mrgoodcat> waf: i'm thinking of switching to arch anyways
[00:53] <gamerchick02> :) yep!
[00:54] <mrgoodcat> if for no other reason then to fuck with things I shouln't be
[00:54] <rick_h_> lol, good reason
[00:54] <gamerchick02> hee
[00:54] <gamerchick02> very good reason.
[00:54] <mrgoodcat> anybody have the android google play services bug?
[00:54] <gamerchick02> i3 sounds like fun. i don't have time to muck with that right now but maybe next weekend
[00:54] <gamerchick02> there's a bug?
[00:54] <mrgoodcat> just introduced onto my phone
[00:54] <gamerchick02> ugh
[00:54] <gamerchick02> sorry to hear that. what's happening?
[00:55] <mrgoodcat> kills the battery life
[00:55] <mrgoodcat> i only got 7 hours today
[00:55] <gamerchick02> you know my nexus 7 might have that issue
[00:56] <mrgoodcat> its a recent update. i has to do with the updates for kitkat
[00:56] <gamerchick02> i turned off google now, restarted it, charged it fully, and it seems to have fixed it?
[00:56] <gamerchick02> or maybe that's old
[00:56] <mrgoodcat> i use google now every day
[00:56] <gamerchick02> me too
[00:56] <gamerchick02> i'd turn it off, then reboot, charge it fully, then turn it back on
[00:57] <gamerchick02> see if that helps
[00:57] <gamerchick02> seemed to work on my 7
[00:59] <mrgoodcat> ok
[01:01] <mrgoodcat> waf: do you use the default i3status
[01:02] <waf> mrgoodcat: yeah. i run with a super-customized i3 config: https://github.com/waf/config/tree/master/.i3
[01:02] <waf> very awesomewm-ish
[01:07] <widox> mrgoodcat: I'm on ubuntu and use network-manager/nm-applet for network
[01:08] <widox> I also use i3status
[01:10] <mrgoodcat> cool
[01:10] <mrgoodcat> i just took part of waf's config
[01:10] <mrgoodcat> i left a lot of the indicators on that he turned off though
[01:10] <waf> cool. i accept checks and credit cards.
[01:10] <mrgoodcat> i only pay in gum
[01:11] <mrgoodcat> trident layers
[01:11] <waf> you drive a hard bargain.
[01:14] <mrgoodcat> do you both use dmenu?
[01:14] <mrgoodcat> the lack of fuzzy matching is breaking my balls
[01:14] <mrgoodcat> i'm used to synaps
[01:14] <mrgoodcat> synapse*
[01:17] <rick_h_> gmrun
[01:17] <waf> mrgoodcat: yeah, i use dmenu
[01:18] <waf> dmenu-xft, specifically
[01:18] <mrgoodcat> what is the difference?
[01:19] <waf> xft font support
[01:19] <waf> dmenu by default has limited font support, and i like pretty fonts
[01:21] <widox> also using dmenu
[01:21] <widox> used to use gmrun - but dmenu is already there, its ok
[01:23] <mrgoodcat> i'm finding i3 in general doesn't make me very happy in terms of fonts
[01:23] <mrgoodcat> i changed the font in the config but it doesn't seem to have affected chrome
[01:25] <mrgoodcat> actually it doesn't seem to have affected anything... maybe i'm doing it wrong?...
[01:26] <mrgoodcat> font pango: ubuntu mono 10 <- does that seem right?
[01:31] <mrgoodcat> oops. good thing the wifi drivers work without kernel patches. my touchpad is completely gone though
[01:42] <rick_h_> yay! done with bookie pull requests for now
[01:42] <rick_h_> production updated with the first of the updates
[01:46] <mrgoodcat> whats bookie?
[01:46] <waf> mrgoodcat: yeah, that looks right. maybe try uppercasing it to "font pango: Ubuntu Mono 10"
[01:47] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: https://bmark.us and https://github.com/bookieio
[01:47] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: already googled it :)
[01:47] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: it's my pet project I rope people around here into using by bribing them with accounts :)
[01:47] <mrgoodcat> replacement for delicious
[01:47] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: pretty much
[01:47] <mrgoodcat> its non free?
[01:47] <rick_h_> got into google summer of code this year and it's been a crazy 30hrs
[01:47] <rick_h_> no, it's free
[01:47] <rick_h_> https://bmark.us
[01:48] <rick_h_> just signup
[01:48] <mrgoodcat> then how do you bribe with account?
[01:48] <rick_h_> meh, guess I sucker them into creating accounts
[01:48] <mrgoodcat> oh god. i just realized it was a joke
[01:48] <rick_h_> and tell them I'll fix their bugs first lol
[01:48] <mrgoodcat> damn i feel dumb
[01:49] <rick_h_> heh, no if you've not been around it's confusing
[01:49] <rick_h_> it goes back several years now
[01:50] <mrgoodcat> got it
[01:52] <mrgoodcat> you should close #292 and #291. it says you fixed them 4 hours ago
[01:52] <mrgoodcat> wait. not merged yet
[01:52] <mrgoodcat> i see
[01:53] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: yea, I want them to add themselves to the credits file first
[01:53] <rick_h_> then I'll edit the commit message to be a bit more clear
[01:53] <rick_h_> and land it
[02:05] <mrgoodcat> how do you change the volume in i3?
[02:07] <rick_h_> launch pavucontrol
[02:14] <mrgoodcat> that appears to be arch specific
[02:14] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: oh, I use that on ubuntu
[02:15] <rick_h_> cmaloney: greg-g http://uploads.mitechie.com/gsoc_stats.png
[02:15] <rick_h_> not quite 'doonethingwell' material but that's an up
[02:16] <mrgoodcat> simple apt-get fixed it
[02:16] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: awesome
[02:16] <mrgoodcat> i think i like i3 so far
[02:17] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: are you required to use ubuntu at canonical?
[02:17] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: yes, for work at least. And we're supposed to be on the upcoming release once beta hits. Thought I tend to do that on one machine and run more stable on the other
[02:17] <rick_h_> just in case
[02:17] <rick_h_> but I've been on trusty for a long while this release on all my hardware
[02:18] <rick_h_> I can use whatever in my own time, and there are some that run OSX and work in a virtualenv
[03:06] <cmaloney> wow
[03:06] <mrgoodcat> wow what?
[03:08] <cmaloney> rick_h_'s stats
[03:15] <mrgoodcat> are stats logged on this channel?
[03:15] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Nobody's done that yet.
[03:16] <cmaloney> I was referring to this: http://uploads.mitechie.com/gsoc_stats.png
[03:16] <mrgoodcat> oh lol
[03:17] <mrgoodcat> speaking of which... how does this channel feel about irc bots?
[03:27] <cmaloney> As long as they're not a nuisance I'm OK with it.
[03:27] <cmaloney> The channel is already logged via ubuntulo12
[11:46] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:29] <rick_h_> waf: the CHC site seems down for me. Do we need to pay the electricity or anything?
[12:29] <cmaloney> heh
[13:35] <waf> rick_h_: something must be wrong with the dns, all the *.coffeehousecoders.com sites are down
[13:36] <rick_h_> waf: ah, gotcha
[13:36] <rick_h_> waf: thanks for cecking
[13:36] <waf> i'll email corey or someone
[13:41] <mrgoodcat> good morning
[13:42] <waf> email sent
[13:59] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:01] <cmaloney> https://plus.google.com/104316563409421412538/about <- seems legit.
[14:01] <cmaloney> waf: BTW: Thank you for that post re: Facebook.
[14:01] <cmaloney> That was enlightening
[14:02] <mrgoodcat> i don't see what is weird about that g+ profile
[14:03] <mrgoodcat> gender got it
[14:04] <cmaloney> Also Bali Sorga is a resort.
[14:05] <waf> you take that back. she/he seems like a perfectly nice girl/guy.
[14:05] <cmaloney> waf: heh
[14:05] <cmaloney> I'm sure the person in the photo is.
[14:10] <mrgoodcat> since i'm going to be playing with DEs should I install arch or leave ubuntu on my laptop?
[14:11] <waf> i guess i'd go with ubuntu, since DEs on ubuntu tend to have nicer out-of-the-box configs
[14:12] <rick_h_> though awesome won't show up in the lightdm selector ootb until you edit the .desktop file :/
[14:12] <cmaloney> I consider this a feature. ;)
[14:13] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: you must work in tech support
[14:13] <mrgoodcat> can't solve problem? is not problem. is feature
[14:14] <mrgoodcat> "security feature"
[14:24] <mrgoodcat> done: 8 queens problem in a single list comprehension
[14:26] <jrwren> link plz?
[14:27] <jrwren> i'm pretty sure, technically it would be multiple comprehensions nested, but a single statement
[14:30] <mrgoodcat> yes it is
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> https://gist.github.com/dyladan/9230405
[14:34] <mrgoodcat> my solution sort of reminds me of prolog
[14:34] <mrgoodcat> all I really did was generate every possible permutation and exclude invalid boards
[14:37] <mrgoodcat> I was going to try to make it take a single integer input which would be n for an nxn board with n queens to make it more general
[14:37] <mrgoodcat> thats the next step
[15:04] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I think Haskell is a comprehension in itself. :)
[15:07] <mrgoodcat_> what do you mean by that?
[15:20] <cmaloney> I don't understand Haskell. ;)
[15:20] <jrwren> oh, I thought you were talking python.
[15:21] <jrwren> yeah, can easily be single in non python language.
[15:21] <jrwren> python comprehensions are very limited by comparison
[15:21] <jrwren> does haskel not have a line continuation character to make that more readable?
[15:23] <brousch> cmaloney: Ball is much less comfortable today. Upper back is aching and have to keep correcting slouch
[15:24] <cmaloney> brousch: Welcome. :)
[15:25] <brousch> I think it lost air over night
[15:25] <cmaloney> It took me a few weeks
[15:25] <cmaloney> Yeah, you'll want to keep it filled
[15:25] <cmaloney> Again, this is why I went with the chair setup.
[15:27] <cmaloney> Though the chair is more forgiving of slouching
[15:28] <brousch> Hm, strap says it is the same size
[15:29] <brousch> Must be muscle stress from yesterday
[15:43] <jrwren> i am all slouch
[15:45] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: nope. the book specifically states that you can't do that
[15:47] <mrgoodcat> i just lied to yo
[15:47] <mrgoodcat> you*
[15:47] <jrwren> the book always lies
[15:47] <mrgoodcat> if you indent a line it is a continuation of a previous line
[15:52] <mrgoodcat> new and improved for readability https://gist.github.com/dyladan/9230405
[15:53] <mrgoodcat> it is an enormous improvement in readability actually. good idea jrwren
[16:06] <jrwren> much better.
[16:06] <jrwren> i like that.
[16:10] <mrgoodcat> its way faster than i thought it would be
[16:12] <mrgoodcat> but i guess it makes sense. the cabal compiler optimizes heavily on list comprehensions and it can pretty quickly tell if a board is bad. i wish there was a way to see statistics about how deep it went in each board before deciding it was bad
[16:15] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: wonder if there's a way to recursively do what you're going with the positions
[16:16] <mrgoodcat> in order to make it general for nxn boards? there is
[16:17] <cmaloney> right, but also to keep the code duplication down
[16:17] <mrgoodcat> its an old mathematical problem i'm fairly familiar with. i had a math teacher give it to the class once. she was floored when i actually gave her an answer :)
[16:18] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Let's' just say you're the first programmer I've met in person that has grokked Haskell.
[16:18] <jrwren> you've met in person
[16:18] <cmaloney> jrwren: Right, as stated. :)
[16:18] <jrwren> ok I meant to ask.
[16:18] <jrwren> missed the ?
[16:19] <cmaloney> Yeah, mrgoodcat came to CHC last week
[16:19] <cmaloney> y'know. The one in Oakland County that you steadfastly say you'll never enter.
[16:19] <cmaloney> ;)
[16:19] <jrwren> I do hate oakland county
[16:19] <cmaloney> Apparently Boss Hogg has it out for jrwren
[16:20] <jrwren> truth.
[16:20] <jrwren> oakland is my hazzard
[16:22] <mrgoodcat> i'm not sure i do grok haskell
[16:22] <mrgoodcat> but i feel fairly comfortable with it so far
[16:22] <mrgoodcat> grok is a strong word
[16:22] <cmaloney> OK, how about this:
[16:23] <cmaloney> "has voluntarily posted code snippets that didn't come directly from a book"
[16:23] <cmaloney> ? :)
[16:23] <mrgoodcat> haha. thats a long way from grok but i understand where you're coming from and appreciate the sentiment
[16:24] <mrgoodcat> new programming paradigms is sort of a hobby for me. my favorite was prolog. its so much different than anything else
[17:09] <brousch> rick_h_: Humid cool maritime is the climate we want http://i.imgur.com/wP9lODb.png
[17:14] <mrgoodcat_> turns out my function doesn't generalize well in haskell because the size is included in the type of a tuple
[17:14] <mrgoodcat_> back to square 1
[17:15] <rick_h_> brousch: +1
[17:15] <mrgoodcat_> lunchtime
[17:23] <greg-g> http://mediagoblin.org/pages/campaign.html
[17:24] <rick_h_> wow, best of luck to him. he's doing what I wish I could do for bookie but don't think I could get the interest
[17:28] <greg-g> he did it last year, as well
[17:28] <greg-g> quit his gig at Creative Commons to do it :)
[17:29] <rick_h_> wow, very cool
[17:46] <mrgoodcat> doing what? crowdsourcing?
[17:47] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: doing his own project, which he is funding through a crowdsource campaign, yeah
[17:47] <rick_h_> well funding himself to work on his pet open source project
[17:47] <rick_h_> and somewhat successfully
[18:07] <jrwren> rick_h_: well you COULD, but you'd likely experience a change in lifestyle.
[18:07] <jrwren> its about priorities.
[18:07] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, definitely
[18:07] <rick_h_> jrwren: the goal is 2 more years away
[18:07] <jrwren> nice
[18:07] <jrwren> that rules
[18:08] <rick_h_> we'll see, but hopefully get some college payments gone and lose that $10k of day care and things seem a bit more reasonable
[18:08] <jrwren> *nod*
[18:08] <jrwren> college payments being gone RULES.
[18:08] <jrwren> I still remember writing that 48k$ check and mailing it in to clear off the college debt of my wife.
[18:08] <rick_h_> then again, it might not be something to do. Bookie is a good hobby and not sure what it would take to make it sing
[18:08] <jrwren> biggest check I'd ever written
[18:08] <rick_h_> wow, nice
[18:09] <rick_h_> well, wife's a doc so :( med school
[18:09] <jrwren> yup
[18:09] <rick_h_> though at 2% I can't complain a ton
[18:09] <jrwren> wow, how did you get it to 2%?
[18:09] <rick_h_> she did it, hers are all in the 2-3% range
[18:09] <jrwren> my friends with student loans say they are at 7% adn can't refi lower.
[18:09] <jrwren> my friends are idiots.
[18:09] <rick_h_> yea, some of mine are 6ish
[18:10] <rick_h_> but for the most part they're lower than anything else
[18:13] <mrgoodcat> i'm so glad I don't have any college debt
[18:14] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: me too!
[18:14] <jrwren> rick_h_ and I are old enough that it should be long gone, even if I'd had some :)
[18:15] <rick_h_> yea but some of got late starts in life
[18:15] <rick_h_> and respnsibility
[18:15] <jrwren> that is true.
[18:15] <jrwren> myself included to some extent
[18:15] <rick_h_> oh well
[18:15] <mrgoodcat> I just have enormously generous family
[18:15] <jrwren> life is good.
[18:15] <rick_h_> always things to tweak in the past but would't change where I'm at
[18:16] <rick_h_> well, I wouldn't change that is
[18:23] <brousch> I think mine were 4.25% when we consolidated in 2001
[18:23] <brousch> Wife's will be done this year
[18:25] <brousch> rick_h_'s minions are PMing me now
[18:25] <rick_h_> brousch: lol
[18:25] <rick_h_> send them to the public channel or mailing list
[18:25] <brousch> The damn fool trying to run it on Windows
[18:26] <_stink_> haha
[18:26] <_stink_> this is been an interesting thing ot watch from the sidelines, i have to admit
[18:26] <greg-g> :)
[18:27] <_stink_> i also have to admit that a gmail filter keeping the bookie mailing list out of my inbox is in order
[18:27] <brousch> _stink_: Get in there and help weed out the scrubs :P
[18:27] <_stink_> brousch: can a scrub weed out scrubs?
[18:28] <brousch> _stink_: Takes one to know one!
[18:28] <_stink_> good point
[18:28] <rick_h_> ouch, that kind of sucks that the activity levels are getting regulars to filter it out
[18:28] <_stink_>  /join #bookie-scrubs
[18:29] <_stink_> maybe i can make it send me a digest instead
[18:30] <brousch> It'll pass
[18:31] <brousch> rick_h_: divyum is the one, if you're doing some kind of scorekeeping
[18:31]  * greg-g checks the /names list to see if any of them are in here
[18:33] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, he's the one that won't take no for an answer.
[18:33] <rick_h_> heh, I've not seen any
[18:33] <brousch> I must have missed that. I did see his email about trying to run on Windows
[18:33] <rick_h_> yea, another guy got pretty far with windows and got it running
[18:34] <rick_h_> but it required a bunch of changes and I had to say "That's nice, but there's not a lot of interest in carrying that around for testing, quality, etc"
[18:34] <rick_h_> it required too much change to run on windows and most people shouldn't need to run it on windows
[18:35] <mrgoodcat> that's what forking is for
[18:37] <jrwren> more than just lots of os.path.combine?
[18:37] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, because all the makefile automated stuff has to be rescripted
[18:37] <jrwren> ugh
[18:37] <jrwren> becuase no make on windows/
[18:37] <rick_h_> right now it's git clone && make sysdeps && make install
[18:37] <jrwren> fuck that! get make for windows!
[18:37] <jrwren> MUCH easier!
[18:38] <rick_h_> that's a LOT of work in there to dupe for windows world
[18:38] <jrwren> beleive me, I know :)
[18:38] <jrwren> I used to play there.
[18:38] <jrwren> MS refusal to get a standard POSIX stack has held entire technology of the planet back billions of man hours.
[18:45] <brousch> For projects where I need windows I've started using a custom "do.py" script and a small .bat file for running it
[18:45] <brousch> https://github.com/van-dam-iron-works/winliberator/blob/master/do.bat
[18:46] <rick_h_> yea, if you think of windows up front I'm sure you can make this easier and such
[18:46] <mrgoodcat> i never do
[18:46] <brousch> Still more work than a Makefile
[18:46] <jrwren> would be nice if setup.py could do it all
[18:46] <rick_h_> and I could go through the time to try to build wheels of the python deps, use something windows friendly other than redis for queue'ing, script in python vs shell, etc
[18:46] <brousch> But I can "do install" and have it work
[18:46] <rick_h_> yea, that's cool
[18:47] <rick_h_> <3 automation
[18:47] <rick_h_> it takes a lot of time to get right, but it easily saves 10x that time later
[18:47] <mrgoodcat> does vagrant run on windows?
[18:47] <rick_h_> I mean we've had some 30+ students come in irc and I think the only install issue hit (other than windows) was someone had a space in their path and it broke Make commands
[18:48] <brousch> rick_h_: Yeah, install is looking really good
[19:03] <cmaloney> heh
[19:04] <mrgoodcat> channel has been significantly busier than i've ever seen it today
[19:04] <mrgoodcat> admittedly "ever" is only like 3 days so far
[19:05] <brousch> mrgoodcat: This channel?
[19:15] <mrgoodcat> yes
[19:15] <mrgoodcat> but also the wmu computer club channel
[19:15] <brousch> mrgoodcat: Are you in kzoo?
[19:17] <mrgoodcat> no. but i used to live there and attend wmu
[19:17] <mrgoodcat> would be a long drive for royal oak chc
[19:18] <_stink_> mrgoodcat: when did you study at wmu?/
[19:18] <mrgoodcat> 2010 til this past summer
[19:18] <_stink_> cool
[19:18] <_stink_> i graduated 2004
[19:18] <mrgoodcat> oh nice
[19:18] <mrgoodcat> cs?
[19:18] <_stink_> naw, physics
[19:18] <_stink_> took a lot of cs though
[19:18] <mrgoodcat> oh nice
[19:18] <_stink_> you?
[19:19] <mrgoodcat> cs
[19:19] <mrgoodcat> started ce and switched to cs
[19:19] <_stink_> i was there when the new engineering campus opened
[19:19] <_stink_> that was a treat
[19:19] <mrgoodcat> pview is nice
[19:20] <mrgoodcat> or "Business Technology and Research Park" as it's now known
[19:20] <mrgoodcat> parkview wasn't buzzwordy enough apparently
[19:20] <_stink_> we used to just point up in the air toward it and say "over there"
[19:21] <_stink_> because no one had settled on a colloqial name
[19:22] <_stink_> i loved my time there.
[19:22] <_stink_> what are you doing now?
[19:22] <mrgoodcat> parkview is what everyone calls it
[19:22] <mrgoodcat> now i'm working and taking classes at occ
[19:23] <mrgoodcat> wait, why did brousch ask if i was in kzoo... is brousch in kzoo?
[19:23] <mrgoodcat> only kalamazoo people call it kzoo
[19:23] <brousch> No, GR
[19:23] <brousch> I have a lot of family down there though
[19:23] <mrgoodcat> got it
[19:23] <mrgoodcat> i used to ski in grand rapids
[19:24] <mrgoodcat> well, I still do i guess. or at least plan to start again in the summer
[19:25] <brousch> You plan to start skiing again in the summer?
[19:25] <mrgoodcat> yea. probably in grand rapids actually
[19:25] <mrgoodcat> at least occasionally
[19:26] <brousch> Oh, water skiing
[19:26] <_stink_> aaahhhhh aha
[19:26] <mrgoodcat> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Placid+Wake+Park/@42.972273,-85.993466,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xa6e6f48cbb47424d
[19:26] <mrgoodcat> yes water skiing
[19:27] <mrgoodcat> i was the captain/president of the team at WMU. Now I ski ameteur individually
[19:27] <brousch> What the. Why not go on a lake?
[19:27] <_stink_> ahh yeah man, i remember the ski club from my days in WSA
[19:28] <mrgoodcat> that is a lake
[19:28] <_stink_> glad that's still going
[19:28] <brousch> No, that's some sort of man made ski puddle
[19:28] <mrgoodcat> haha. it is man made. competitive skiing is just like any other sport. the really serious people do it in designated areas
[19:29] <brousch> I have never seen this thing before, despite it being precisely between my house and my parents'
[19:30] <brousch> There's no boat? It pulls you on a cable?
[19:30] <mrgoodcat> there is a boat
[19:30] <mrgoodcat> although they also have a cable for wakeboarding
[19:30] <mrgoodcat> https://www.google.com/maps/place/42%C2%B058'34.5%22N+82%C2%B050'24.4%22W/@42.976247,-82.840119,2231m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0
[19:30] <mrgoodcat> thats where i ski when i'm on this side of the state
[19:33] <mrgoodcat> its sort of a niche sport
[19:34] <brousch> Here's where I used to ski before I got old and fat https://www.google.com/maps?q=Grose+Park,+Casnovia,+MI&hl=en&ll=43.173949,-85.846696&spn=0.027197,0.037336&sll=45.00109,-86.270553&sspn=13.500554,19.116211&oq=grose+park&t=m&z=15&iwloc=A
[19:35] <mrgoodcat> ever ski in a course?
[19:35] <mrgoodcat> old and fat? my dad is 220 lbs and 49 years old. he still skis
[19:35] <brousch> No. I skied behind a jet ski once. That is all
[19:35] <jrwren> i call it kzoo
[19:35] <brousch> But he didn't stop 20 years ago and not gone since :P
[19:35] <jrwren> i spent much time there when wife was at wmu
[19:36] <mrgoodcat> lol no
[19:36] <mrgoodcat> i miss kalamazoo
[19:36] <mrgoodcat> the bars were definitely better there than here
[19:37] <jrwren> bells!
[19:37] <mrgoodcat> beer++
[19:39] <mrgoodcat> grand rapids has pretty ok beer too
[19:41] <jrwren> definitely
[19:41] <jrwren> and not too far to oddsides!
[19:41] <jrwren> mmm... oddsides
[19:42] <brousch> Pretty OK beer?! We are frickin' Beer City USA 2 years running!
[19:43] <jrwren> mmm... Founders.
[19:43] <jrwren> omfg FOUNDERS!!!
[19:45] <greg-g> mmmmm, founders
[19:45] <greg-g> god, I almost forgot about them
[19:45] <jrwren> greg-g: omg Breakfast Stout!!!
[19:46] <greg-g> mmmmmmmmm
[19:47] <mrgoodcat> arrogant bastard
[19:47] <mrgoodcat> ^^ the beer not you
[19:48] <mrgoodcat> does chc ever go to the bar after?
[19:50] <brousch> Founders Brewing Company, The Mitten Brewing Co., Rockford Brewing Company, Harmony Brewing Company, Perrin Brewery, HopCat, Grand Rapids Brewing Company, Brewery Vivant, Hideout Brewing Company, B.O.B.'s House Of Brews, Osgood Brewing, Schmohz Brewing Company
[19:50] <brousch> Hm, I've only actually been to half of them
[19:51] <jrwren> i've been to more than 1/2 of those.
[19:51] <jrwren> and most of them are OK or not great.
[19:51] <mrgoodcat> i've been to most of those
[19:51] <mrgoodcat> bells is definitely where its at
[19:52] <mrgoodcat> olde penn is pretty good too
[19:52] <jrwren> I'd like to visit Odd Sides
[19:52] <brousch> Actually Atwater in Detroit makes my favorite beers
[19:52] <jrwren> brousch: O_O
[19:52] <brousch> I know
[19:52] <jrwren> they definitely fall under "OK" in my book, and sometimes not good at all
[19:52] <mrgoodcat> i've never loved atwater
[19:52] <brousch> Saugatuck Brewing is my favorite to visit
[19:52] <mrgoodcat> ever been to kalamazoo beer exchange?
[19:52] <jrwren> Saugatuch makes some great brew.
[19:53] <jrwren> I've not been to KBE, I've heard good things.
[19:53] <mrgoodcat> best bar ever
[19:54] <brousch> Founders uses some hop in its beer that I don't particularly care for, Vivant is always too sharp. Atwater is always smooth
[19:54] <jrwren> Saugatuck's Neapolitan Milk Stout!!! OMG!!!
[19:54] <jrwren> brousch: vivant does farmhouse style, which I rarely prefer.
[19:55] <brousch> jrwren: Saugatuck has some good weird ones in house only. Like a Spruce Ale
[19:55] <mrgoodcat> left hand milk stout is amazeballs
[19:55] <brousch> Tastes like a christmas tree, but yummy
[19:55] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: i didn't care for it.
[19:55] <jrwren> so far I am not a fan of anything Left Hand
[19:55] <jrwren> Southern Tier Milk Stout on the other hand is amazeballs.
[19:55] <jrwren> and all their variants.
[19:55] <jrwren> Southern Tier Chocolat
[19:56] <jrwren> Southern Tier Crem Brulee
[19:57] <mrgoodcat> i'll have to try it
[19:58] <mrgoodcat> you have to like oberon though
[19:59] <mrgoodcat> everybody likes oberon
[20:04] <jrwren> i hate oberon
[20:08]  * mrgoodcat quits
[20:12] <jrwren> ok... seriously...
[20:12] <jrwren> having jinja2 templated cloud-config is JUST AWESOME!
[20:12] <jrwren> who needs puppet?
[20:15] <mrgoodcat> anybody ever hack on project euler?
[20:18] <jrwren> yes
[20:19] <jrwren> heighway dragon problem 220 was an obsession of mine for a very brief period.
[20:19] <mrgoodcat> the site is kinda broken right now... keeps telling me it has to rebuild the problem cache
[20:23] <mrgoodcat> it doesn't seem like an extraordinarily difficult problem
[20:26] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: CHC used to meet at the Royal Oak Brewery
[20:26] <mrgoodcat> is the picture for D50 cool?
[20:26] <cmaloney> back when it was called MI Developers
[20:26] <mrgoodcat> why did it change to a coffee shop
[20:26] <cmaloney> Also: Bells Black Note is the high bar that all beers are judged IMHO. :)
[20:26] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Too loud
[20:27] <cmaloney> That and if it was game night that could be fun
[20:27] <cmaloney> ie: not getting a table. :)
[20:30] <mrgoodcat> makes sense i guess
[20:35] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: dragon problem 220? no, its not difficult. now do it with an infinite iterator.
[20:35] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: and draw it using gui toolkit of your choice
[20:35] <jrwren> again using an infinite iterator
[20:35] <jrwren> it was fun.
[20:35] <jrwren> i was using boo and drawing with WPF
[20:35] <mrgoodcat> now i want to make processing
[20:35] <mrgoodcat> draw the dragon
[20:35] <jrwren> i reached the limits of both WPF and of boo's iterators
[20:36] <jrwren> cmaloney: what category?
[20:36] <jrwren> tehre is no one high bar for all beers to be judged.
[20:36] <jrwren> the categories exist for reason :)
[20:36] <mrgoodcat> the category is beers that make cmaloney happy
[20:37] <cmaloney> jrwren: It's a barrel-aged stout
[20:38] <cmaloney> which is tops in beers that make cmaloney happy.
[20:39] <jrwren> cmaloney: burbon barrel?
[20:40] <cmaloney> yep
[20:40] <jrwren> better than New Holland Dragon's Milk?
[20:40] <cmaloney> I think so
[20:40] <cmaloney> though they both give me a headache
[20:40] <jrwren> sounds great.
[20:40] <cmaloney> but black note was because I drank a shit-ton of it
[20:41] <jrwren> oh! i've seen that at the store. 100 on ratebeer.
[20:41] <cmaloney> that and one of Bell's special batches.
[20:41] <jrwren> I'll have to try it
[20:41] <cmaloney> jrwren: You have it bottled?
[20:41] <cmaloney> Seriously, get it
[20:41] <jrwren> i shall
[20:41] <jrwren> AA Wine Seller is right downt eh street from me and has an excellent beer selection
[20:41] <mrgoodcat> where is a good place to buy beer in the detroit area?
[20:41] <cmaloney> I don't want to give you preconceived notions about it but it's one of those beers that is not easy to find.
[20:41] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I'd love to know.
[20:42] <cmaloney> I get most of my stuff from Meijer but that's hardly optimal
[20:42] <mrgoodcat> west side of state has much better beer stores
[20:42] <mrgoodcat> lol meijer
[20:42] <brousch> mrgoodcat: Isn't there a liquor store every 1/2 block?
[20:42] <cmaloney> west-side of the state is closer to Bells. ;)
[20:42] <cmaloney> brousch: You're thinking CVS.
[20:42] <brousch> cmaloney: Our Meijer is actually pretty well stocked with MI beers
[20:42] <cmaloney> yeah, ours too
[20:42] <cmaloney> but they don't get the crazier stufgf
[20:43] <cmaloney> Like Dragon's Milk is about as deep as they go
[20:43] <brousch> But I usually go to D Shuler's where they have hundreds of beers and you make your own 6 pack
[20:43] <cmaloney> Bells has the Ales and IPAs
[20:43] <cmaloney> (at Meijer)
[20:43] <cmaloney> sometimes Stouts and Porters
[20:45] <jrwren> Expedition Stout is good
[20:47] <mrgoodcat> i'm going to program my cnc to inscribe the heighway dragon into a pane of glass and edge light it
[20:47] <jrwren> O_O
[20:47] <jrwren> baller!
[20:47] <mrgoodcat> if it works i'll let you know. i can make 2
[22:48] <jrwren> omg, I'm an idiot.
[22:51] <jrwren> i just realized if I get tired of quoting dict key strings, that is what the dict constructor is for
[22:51] <jrwren> dict(now='i',do='not', have='to', quote='keys')