[15:53] <shirgall> ricotz: ping ;)
[15:54] <shirgall> Good morning.
[15:55] <ricotz> shirgall, i guess you want to complain about 331.49?
[15:55] <shirgall> ricotz: Not complain, but hoping there's a simple fix. 331.49 tries to apply the 3.13 kernel patch instead of 3.11 on Saucy.
[15:56] <ricotz> shirgall, wait a few minutes for the fix to be published
[15:57] <shirgall> ricotz: Cool, thanks. I had a hard time figuring out how to report it.
[16:00] <ricotz> shirgall, yeah, a common problem while using ppas ;), but IRC helps
[16:00] <shirgall> The PPA sends me to freedesktop.org, but I couldn't find a relevant category :/
[16:07] <ricotz> shirgall, you can also try to contact the uploader which is can find int the detailed package-view of the ppa
[16:08] <shirgall> ricotz: well, you weren't online at the time I noticed. :)
[16:09] <ricotz> shirgall, there is an email-based contact too ;)
[16:09] <shirgall> ricotz: True, I admit I looked at the changelog and pinged Alberto, which was going too far.
[16:10] <ricotz> i see
[16:11] <ricotz> tseliot, hi :), 331.49 and 304.119 are of course candidates for trusty, 334.16 is pretty unstable here
[16:12] <tseliot> ricotz: hi. I plan to introduce 331.49 soon. As for 334.x, I won't include it in 14.04 as it's a short lived release branch
[16:13] <ricotz> tseliot, good, yeah, and it seems to be 'really" a beta this time given the problems i noticed
[16:13] <ricotz> tseliot, still 334.16 is the first with full egl/gles support
[16:14] <tseliot> ricotz: right, for now we keep egl support disabled in the nvidia packages
[16:14] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: indeed ;D
[16:14] <ricotz> tseliot, right, since currently there is only 32bit which has changed with 334.x ;)
[16:15] <mlankhorst> 331.49 still doesn't work with 3.14 though
[16:15] <tseliot> oh, I haven't looked into 3.14 yet
[16:15] <ricotz> i am not running 3.14 yet, so i havent looked for fixes
[16:15] <ricotz> hehe
[16:16] <tseliot> we're not going to ship 3.14 though, are we?
[16:16] <ricotz> i dont think so
[16:18] <shirgall> ricotz: Thanks for the fix, all good now on Sauct
[16:18] <shirgall> Saucy
[17:14] <silenz> ey guys, i'm trying to learn more about ubuntu and linux as a whole, and i'm currently trying to wrap my head around x11 and an xindow system but i havent really seen a laymans explanation of how it works
[17:14] <silenz> could somebody explain an x window system like they would to a 10 year old? O_o
[17:17] <shirgall> silenz: Have you looked at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XWindow-Overview-HOWTO/ ?
[17:18] <silenz> no I havent, I was reading a book on ubuntu. I will read the link instead, thanks!
[17:18] <shirgall> Admittedly, that's more than 10 years old itself.
[17:19] <silenz> well... according to this book x hasnt changed in like 25 years right
[17:20] <tseliot> silenz: this should help http://magcius.github.io/xplain/article/
[17:20] <silenz> cool thanks the more references the better 
[17:21] <silenz> it seems like a pretty basic concept to understand about ubuntu and linux
[17:21] <silenz> so im trying to understand as much as possible. i thought the main thing in linux was the GUI which was either KDE or GNOME or now unity
[17:22] <silenz> but now i get that the underlying thing is actually the window system that makes the GUI
[17:22] <silenz> im going down the rabbit hole lol
[18:08] <jarkko> is 12.04 ubuntu get newer mesa packages?
[18:08] <jarkko> going to
[18:11] <Sarvatt> it'll get 14.04's graphics stack 3-4 months after 14.04 releases, but that'll be the end
[18:13] <jarkko> Sarvatt: was that answer for me?
[18:13] <Sarvatt> yep!
[18:14] <Sarvatt> its getting the 6 month releases backported to it but thats opt-in unless you install from point release media (like 12.04.4)
[18:15] <Sarvatt> need to install a package to switch, like xserver-xorg-lts-saucy
[18:15] <ricotz> mlankhorst, i am going push a patched 331.49 which builds on 3.14 to xedgers if you care