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pleia2ToZ: I saw that too!02:32
pleia2err02:32
pleia2sorry ToZ :)02:33
pleia2Travis has left02:33
ToZ:)02:33
pleia2but hey, ToZ has the debian bug too, so me too :)02:34
pleia2secretly I did mean you02:35
Noskcajbluesabre, PING05:51
NoskcajCatfish has many CVEs. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=73995805:51
ubottuDebian bug 739958 in catfish "catfish: insecure when cwd is world-writable (CVE-2014-2093 CVE-2014-2094 CVE-2014-2095 CVE-2014-2096)" [Normal,Open]05:51
NoskcajAlso, could you make some basic tests for catfish?06:02
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xubuntu_hey 08:18
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xubuntu_chan sey there?08:18
xubuntu_nyone?08:18
Noskcajwow, one minute from join to ragequit08:25
AussieDownUnderpleia2, I sent an email today to a Public Permaculture Farm in the guts of Brisbane, AU today requesting them to stick up an ubuntu/xubuntu flyer to their notice boards. They're pretty good people & I'm sure they'll appreciate giving out free information on free operating systems.09:31
pjotr_Hello, is there any news about the potential inclusion of the bugfix release Xfburn 0.5.0 in Trusty?09:47
pjotr_Jackson Doak (noskcaj) has filed a launchpad bug report for it, but there's no reaction there yet:09:50
pjotr_https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfburn/+bug/128293709:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1282937 in xfburn (Ubuntu) "Please package xfburn 0.5.0" [Undecided,In progress]09:50
slickymaster-jobelfy: I confirmed Toz'z bug 128492310:06
ubottubug 1284923 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop settings dialog opens in own window" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128492310:06
elfycool10:06
elfyor not - as the case maybe - is it a bug - or new expected behaviour :)10:07
slickymaster-jobelfy: good question10:07
elfyI've just seen the debian bug - using install rather than try 10:07
slickymaster-joblet's ask ochosi 10:07
slickymaster-jobochosi ^^^10:07
* ochosi doesn't know anything10:07
ochosi:}10:08
ochosione sec10:08
ochosisooo much backlog again10:08
elfylet's ask Henry the Mild Mannered Janitor then10:08
ochosishould definitely drop a few things from my highlight-list (e.g. light-locker)10:08
elfyha ha ha 10:08
ochosiok, so the xfdesktop-settings question, right?10:09
slickymaster-jobyeaps10:09
ochosithat's a known issue10:09
ochosiand it's on the radar, will hopefully be fixed soon upstream10:09
elfyis there an upstream bug for it?10:09
ochosipossible10:09
ochosibut i'm not sure know10:09
elfylooking10:09
ochosinow10:09
ochosicrap, s/know/now/10:10
slickymaster-jobochosi: and also xfdesktop4 realated -> bug 128491410:10
ubottubug 1284914 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop network shares not visible on desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128491410:10
ochosihm, that should be fixed i think10:10
slickymaster-jobI'm also confirming that one10:10
ochosiat least it's optional now10:10
ochosiaha10:11
ochosii have no network shares here now, so :/10:11
elfycan't find one 10:12
ochosithen feel free to file one10:14
ochosii guess eric_the_idiot will be happy to have a bug to close soon :)10:14
elfylol10:14
pjotr_elfy: sorry to interrupt, but as a a member of the Xubuntu Bugs Team, do you know what will happen with the recent bugfix release Xfburn 0.5.0?10:14
elfypjotr_: I'm afraid not - we are aware of it as you know10:15
pjotr_do you know when it'll be decided?10:15
elfyNo idea at the moment - and it won't actually be my decision :)10:16
pjotr_OK... who's the boss in this matter then?  :)10:16
ochosii guess the ubuntu developers will decide in the end whether they'll sponsor it or not10:17
ochosibut they have a lot on their plates right now, so it might take a bit10:17
pjotr_OK... Which person can I contact best about it, do you think?10:18
ochosinobody for now, just monitor this queue: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/10:18
slickymaster-jobochosi: http://imagebin.org/29590910:18
slickymaster-jobelfy: ^^^10:18
ochosipjotr_: there are tons of things there and many have a higher priority than xfburn10:18
pjotr_I understand.... :) 10:19
pjotr_But there's no harm in asking.... 10:19
ochosithere is10:19
ochosippl will get annoyed10:19
ochosithe thing is asking won't change anything apart from that ^10:20
ochosiif you want to change this situation, become a packager and then become a MOTU10:20
pjotr_OK, point taken....10:20
ochosithen you can upload stuff yourself10:20
ochosibut until then sit back, relax and watch the queue i linked you to ;)10:21
pjotr_I will. It's fascinating. =D10:21
elfyochosi: reported and linked to LP bug https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1071410:23
ubottubugzilla.xfce.org bug 10714 in General "xfdesktop-settings opens in seperate window" [Normal,New]10:23
ochosity10:23
elfyI always forget that username there is e-mail address ... 10:24
ochosifirefox remembers for me10:25
elfyit used to for me :)10:25
elfyit will next time lol10:25
* ochosi keeps his fingers crossed for elfy's browser10:25
slickymaster-jobway to go elfy ;)10:26
ochosireminder about 12.04->14.04 upgrades: we have to take care of xscreensaver somehow, because ppl might end up having both installed10:27
ochosi(light-locker+xscreensaver)10:27
elfyyea - I was thinking about that the other day - and the indicators 10:28
ochosimhm10:28
ochosielfy: mind to add it to the meeting agenda?10:28
ochosibbabl10:30
elfyochosi: yep - I'll do it now10:30
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elfyhaving fun then slickymasterWork :)10:33
elfyso what was that screenshot earlier of?10:33
slickymasterWorkof a reproduction of bug 128491410:34
ubottubug 1284914 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop network shares not visible on desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128491410:34
elfyoh right 10:35
* elfy doesn't have any of those10:35
* slickymasterWork over here is working for the man, so he does have one of those 10:36
elfy:)10:37
* elfy doesn't have a french kbd - but he's installing with one 10:37
slickymasterWorklol10:37
elfyI'm guessing that it won't get set to US 10:40
starratswhile doing sudo apt-get update, halfway thru i got these errors libc6-dbg:amd 64 & libc6: amd 64, libc-dev-bin    I hope these are repairable by me but I do not know how.  As some of you have said that just do updates everyday well this is the latest results, should I just delete this version and try again with all the updates added to the new install or what.10:42
starratsoh btw good morning10:42
elfyit wasn't a partial upgrade was it?10:43
starratsno a partial update, never got to upgrade10:43
elfyso it's just the apt-get update bit?10:44
starratsone thing good, I hope my cursor was frozen today when I got on10:44
starratsyes sudo apt-get update is what I did10:44
elfyok - well nothing is done yet then :)10:45
elfymake sure you've not got proposed enabled in repos10:45
starratswent to do something and came back and I got this error about manuallu doing a dpfg thing10:45
starratsdpkg10:45
elfyI'm guessing it's been a while since you updated - there's not been any updates recently10:46
elfyoh - so you must have done apt-get upgrade as well then10:46
starratsI updated yesterday afternoon10:46
knomewe should have the next meeting tomorrow in the normal time.10:46
knomei'm running away in a minute, so if anybody feels like it, edit the meetings page10:46
elfythere is a difference between update and upgrade - if you tell me you've updated then I'll assume that's what you've fone10:47
elfystarrats: 10:47
elfyknome: ok - I'll do that - 1900UTC ?10:47
starratsyesterday  I did apt-get upgrade and that's when I first encountered this problem10:47
elfyright so you will have to run the dpkg command10:48
starratsI did update/upgrade yesterday and during the upgrade is when I encountered this problem about manually doing the dpkg thin10:49
starratssorry I can't remember the exzct words10:49
starratswhat is th e dpkg command?10:50
elfyopen a terminal - run sudo apt-get update and you'll get the exact words - then copy paste them :)10:50
starratsokay10:50
starratsbbiab10:50
bluesabreNoskcaj, yes, I am aware as of yesterday, will releases fixes this weekend10:50
starratswell updat went thru without any problems10:52
starratsupdate10:52
starratsnow I will run upgrade10:53
starratsYou might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these.10:54
starratsThe following packages have unmet dependencies:10:54
starrats libc-dev-bin : Depends: libc6 (> 2.19) but 2.18-0ubuntu7 is installed10:54
starrats libc6-dbg : Depends: libc6 (= 2.19-0ubuntu2) but 2.18-0ubuntu7 is installed10:54
starrats libc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.19-0ubuntu2) but 2.18-0ubuntu7 is installed10:54
starratsE: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.10:54
starratsthis is what I got just after starting upgrade10:54
knomeelfy, yep, thanks10:54
elfystarrats: please use pastebin next time :)10:55
starratsshould I run that one thing listed and do it in sudeo?10:55
elfyyep10:55
elfyknome: welcome10:56
starratsah don't know how with pastebin10:56
elfyhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/10:56
elfycopy stuff in - then click paste - then give people the url10:57
elfyor use pastebin which is installed10:57
elfy!pastebin10:57
ubottuFor posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.10:57
knomeok, i'm off ->10:59
starratsokay next tyime but since I did it here should just use sudo to correct what it's telling me to do?10:59
elfybye 10:59
starratsbye knome10:59
elfystarrats: yes :) it will tell you what you need to do 11:00
elfywb slickymaster 11:00
starratsok elfy11:00
starratswell I got thru update/upgrade/dist-upgrade just now and looks like things got repaired thru restart in the term11:10
elfystarrats: most times it will tell you what you need to do11:11
starratsI know but my Linux is quite rusty but catchinmg on, lol 11:11
starratsit has been a few years since I worked with Linux of any sort11:12
starratsbut thank you elfy and i will bookmark the pastebin site11:12
elfywelcome :)11:12
starratsplus I will try to get on launchpad for other things I find but launchpad was giving me grief not accepting my pw11:14
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starratsso far all is fine except one problem that disrupted me earlier, the ubuntu software update popped on and said I had to restart the computer to get all those update/upgrade/dist-upgrade to work, I did and when it came back to the xubuntu desktopm y cursor was frozen in the middle of the screen, but now I'm back and just letting you know this 13:57
jjfrv8bluesabre, do you have a version of menulibre available for testing that has the directory creation and top-level menu things working?14:26
ochosigottcode: would be nice if you could take a look at this merge-request, would be nice if you could add a comment in case everything is in order: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xubuntu-default-settings/whiskermenu_defaults/+merge/20838614:58
gottcodeochosi: looks good to me15:08
ochosigottcode: ok thanks!15:08
ochosiknome: shall we schedule a meeting for tomorrow?15:15
jjfrv8ochosi, I think I saw earlier that knome did say we would meet at the normal time and elfy volunteered to edit the meetings page15:20
ochosiah, ok15:20
ochosicause it doesn't seem to be in the google-calendar (yet)15:21
jjfrv8ochosi, so if I make the two changes in your whishker MR manually, I'll see the proposed new look?15:21
ochosijjfrv8: do you already have the new panel layout?15:21
jjfrv8think so. installed the beta15:22
ochosi(i think xubuntu-default-settings in its latest upload should contain that already)15:22
ochosiok15:22
ochosiyeah, so the easiest way is to open your ~/.config/xfce4/panel/whiskermenu*.rc15:22
ochosiand then paste in the settings from my merge-request15:23
jjfrv8cool. I want to work on the guide-desktop.html docs page today so I wanted to see the most current stuff possible.15:24
ochosigreat!15:24
ochosiyeah, this should be fairly final15:24
ochosithe only thing that could change is the order and amount of "favorites"15:24
jjfrv8ok. I'll try to avoid getting locked into too much detail.15:25
ochosidon't think it's a huge problem, just saying15:25
jjfrv8sure15:26
ochosiand i've discussed the current favorites with knome already15:26
ochosiso they're certainly not just a first thought15:26
ochosibut who knows, i'm open if someone thinks i've missed something15:26
jjfrv8e.g., one of the things I wanted to check was that we have current refs to 'main menu->Help', which doesn't appear on the version of whisker in the beta15:30
ochosiyeah15:31
ochosiit's in the favorites now15:32
jjfrv8:)15:32
ochosi(which is displayed by default)15:32
* elfy doesn't do the calendar jjfrv8 :)15:33
elfydoesn't even know where it is offhand 15:34
slickymasterWorkhmm I'm under the impression that it's Unit193 who takes care of that15:42
slickymasterWorkthe calendar15:42
ochosiyeah, quite possible15:45
ochosiis he still ill?15:45
slickymasterWorkthink not, the surgery went and he was recovering well15:46
slickymasterWork+fine15:46
slickymasterWorkwent fine :P15:46
slickymasterWorkbut the truth is I haven't seen him much around, which is odd15:47
ochosimhm15:51
ochosididnt know there was surgery involved15:51
ochosigood to hear that went fine though15:52
slickymasterWorkyeah, he had appendicitis15:52
ochosihmm15:53
slickymasterWorkNoskcaj, can you please raise the status of bug 1284923 to 'Triaged'16:12
ubottubug 1284923 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop settings dialog opens in own window" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128492316:12
jjfrv8ochosi, you still around?16:55
ochosii am16:55
ochosiwhat up?16:55
jjfrv8looking through our current doc pages we have a lot of references to "mainmenu->Settings Manager"...16:56
jjfrv8do you think with whiskermenu we'll stay with just the icon at the bottom?16:56
ochosii guess so16:57
ochosii mean we can add it to the favorites if you feel it's hard to discover where it is currently16:57
ochosialso, ppl can search for "settings"16:57
jjfrv8no, not at all, I just was wondering if we should add that icon to entities, tell ppl to search, add to favorites, all of the above? :)16:58
ochosiyeah, i'm also not certain16:59
ochosiwe can quickly discuss it at the meeting tomorrow if you want16:59
ochosi(feel free to add it to the agenda)16:59
jjfrv8sounds good16:59
ochosiok cool16:59
elfygreat 17:54
elfyadded a bunch of upgrade tests to the beta now17:54
ochosigreat17:55
ochosii'm not sure that it's a great place to keep this, but i added my two current 12.04->14.04 upgrade-concerns to the features blueprint17:55
elfysaw that 17:56
ochosielfy: if you have an idea for a better place feel free to move it18:04
elfyI couldn't think of a better place :)18:04
schproodleAre xubuntu trusty images on hold for now? 24 Feb seems to be the latest.19:00
elfyschproodle: that's because we aren't testing dailies at the moment - we are testing Beta 119:01
elfyit will only change if we rebuilt19:01
schproodleelfy, Beta seems to be 24 Feb too.19:01
elfyyes 19:01
elfyit will only change if we rebuilt19:02
elfynothing will change with the available images until after the beta gets released19:02
schproodleelfy, I see. Thanks.  Anything more I should do iwht the available ones. Done 4 testcases each for 32 and 64 bit.19:04
schproodlethat is, 5 testcases each eh.19:04
elfyupgrade tests are there to be done :)19:04
elfyhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds19:05
elfythen tick the upgrade box on the left filter 19:05
schproodlehave not done any of those.  Are they different from daily builds?19:05
elfyyea 19:05
schproodletestcases for those as well, I suppose.  OK19:05
elfyyou need to start with 12.04.4 then upgrade to 14.04 for both 64 and 32 bit19:05
elfythen there is also 13.10 to 14.04 in 32 and 64 bit19:06
elfyone is a test with update manager - the other test is with a 14.04 beta image19:06
schproodleOK.  Install 12.04 on vms and go from there eh.19:06
elfyplease :)19:06
elfyI'm starting 64 bit here atm - so if someone else can do 32 bit that would be awesome19:07
schproodleWill do, just now looking for 12.04...32 bit coming up...19:09
elfyoh - and once you've installed 12.04.4 there are a bunch of updates you need to do before upgrading19:10
schproodlegot it.  I don't see 12.04.4 yet...19:11
elfyhttp://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/19:11
elfy12.04 is at the bottom of the page19:12
schproodle12.04.3...found 12.04.4 desktop 32.-bit... torrent19:15
schproodleelfy, Where are the testcases for the upgrade?19:17
schproodleelfy, Testcases for Upgrade Xubuntu i386 in Trusty Beta 1: I will therefor use 'LTS Desktop Upgrade (Precise).  Correct?19:44
elfyschproodle: yep19:48
schproodleelfy, upgrade 'quantal quetzal' is offered.  I am not on the right track am I?20:01
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schproodleelfy, testcase asks for 'Any new version' in update-manager.  That selection results in an ugrade ti quantal.  Selc=ecting 'For longterm support versions" offers to upgrade to 14.04.  Is the testcase msleading in this regard?20:18
schproodleelfy, using 'Upgrade in Upgrade Xubuntu i386 for Trusty Beta 1' testcase20:18
schproodleelfy, I believe you wanted an upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 NO5 12.1020:20
elfyyep20:22
elfywhich testcase are you following - give me the url :)20:22
elfyochosi: first upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 - indicator-sound and indicator-sound-gtk2 installed, and bottom panel is still there20:24
brainwashthe bottom panel will remain if you have an user config for the panel20:26
elfyyea - guessed as much20:26
schproodleelfy, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds/63614/testcases/1310/results20:29
elfyschproodle: for that you should have started with 13.10 - then that will upgrade to 14.0420:30
elfyhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds/63614/testcases20:31
elfytop 2 are 13.10 to 14.04 - bottom 2 are 12.04 to 14.0420:31
schproodleelfy, which one do you want for now?20:32
schproodleelfy, I have a vm with 12.04 ready to upgrade so i can just change to the other testcase eh.20:33
elfyyep :)20:33
elfythe bottom one is the quickest20:33
elfythat uses a 14.04 image to upgrade from20:34
jjfrv8knome, slickymaster, https://code.launchpad.net/~jjfrv8/xubuntu-docs/chapters-3-4-updates/+merge/20846920:37
jjfrv8it's not a real merge request - too preliminary for that. Just wanted to get some comments on some proposed changes for the new panel20:37
schproodleelfy, I was using the 'bottom two' http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds/63614/testcases for the testcase for an intended upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04.  Following the LTS Upgrade testcase lead me to report the instructions lead to an upgrad to 12.10 from 12.04.20:38
elfywell - don't worry about what the testcase says - as long as it upgrades from 12.04 to 14.04 then it passes20:40
elfyunless of course it is only letting you upgrade to 12.10 20:40
elfyin which case perhaps the 32 bit ones are wrong - the 64bit one worked fine20:41
schproodleelfy, Since I changed to 'For long term support versions', it does offer 14.04 as the upgrade.20:41
elfyok20:42
schproodleelfy, You mean the 32 bit testcase is incorrect?20:42
elfyschproodle: no - and I don't have time to check it right now either :)20:42
elfyif it upgrades from 12 to 14 pass it :)20:43
schproodleOK20:43
elfyty :)20:43
ali1234brainwash: i still can't reproduce that trash bug20:43
brainwashali1234: strange, maybe some special timing is needed20:48
brainwashbut what could race her?20:49
brainwashhere20:49
elfyschproodle: there is something awry with the tracker20:51
brainwashali1234: if I open thunar for the first time after restarting the session, it will display the trash content, but thunar is not aware of files in trash20:51
elfyknome: you about?20:53
elfyI'm off now - if you see this - have a look here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds/63613/testcases20:58
elfyI did the 2 lts upgrade tests - but it's marking them in both normal and lts - apart from where it is just showing a bug 20:58
elfystrange 20:58
schproodleelfy, Usually I am awry -- remains hard to tell the difference eh. : )20:58
elfyschproodle: when you report these upgrade tests - make a note physically of what you've done - because you might find that you report it and it shows up where you didn't test as well20:59
elfyyea - well I'm definitely awry at the moment lol 20:59
elfynight all21:00
Unit193jjfrv8, slickymaster: Right, was thinking I hadn't done that: http://goo.gl/12GKd421:58
schproodleupgraded 12.04 to 14.04 -- upgraded from a lts release to lts release but terminal command shows Prompt=normal. lsb_release indicates 'Release: 14.04'.  Should I try to file a bug? Testcase seems to suggest that these results indicated failure.21:58
schproodleWhat happens if I just indicate in progress BTW?21:59
schproodleI can't fail it without a bug report.22:00
Unit193ochosi: Doesn't whiskermenu support xdg config dirs??22:05
pleia2knome: reviewed announcement + release notes22:06
pleia2made it a bit less wordy in a couple spots, but mostly looked great22:07
slickymasterjjfrv8: your MP looks quite good. My only question would be why you add the Top Panel section to the beginning of the chapter22:44
slickymasterjjfrv8: I was under the impression that we we would go with personal info (mugshot) - appearance - menu(libre) sequence in the Settings and Preferences chapter22:45
slickymasterjjfrv8: kind of personal preferences -> looks -> menu editing22:46
slickymasterjjfrv8: never mind 22:48
slickymasterI saw now that that's in guide-desktop.xml22:49
* slickymaster thinks that sometimes multitasking can be quite risky22:50
schproodlere:  Upgrade (image) in Upgrade Xubuntu i386 for Trusty Beta 123:05
schproodleQATRacker testing testcase is confusing.  Is there another image for upgrade.  After select install from the regular iso upgradind is an option but not at the welcome screen as suggested by the testcase text.23:06
knomeschproodle, that testcase expects you to have a previous version installed23:09
Unit193Also, for upgrading to development versions, in do-release-upgrade and the upgrade-manager, you'll need the -d switch.23:10
schproodleknome, copy that -- is that all.?23:10
knomeschproodle, if the testcase is misleading, then it should be fixed.23:10
schproodleknome, you want me to do something about that like a bug against the testcase?23:11
schproodleOK.  Put it this way:  Is there ever an option at the initial screen from booting an iso that shows an option for upgrading?23:13
schproodleIf not, then the testcase language seems to be nonsensical.23:14
schproodleI think I now understand the distinction between 'Upgrade' and 'Upgrade (image)' Former wants an upgrade from the previous version via update-manage and the latter an ujpgrade from the iso boot installation option.23:19
schproodleThat is, testing two different methods for upgrading.  Sorry I did not understand that earlier.23:21

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