[02:32] <pleia2> ToZ: I saw that too!
[02:32] <pleia2> err
[02:33] <pleia2> sorry ToZ :)
[02:33] <pleia2> Travis has left
[02:33] <ToZ> :)
[02:34] <pleia2> but hey, ToZ has the debian bug too, so me too :)
[02:35] <pleia2> secretly I did mean you
[05:51] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, PING
[05:51] <Noskcaj> Catfish has many CVEs. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=739958
[06:02] <Noskcaj> Also, could you make some basic tests for catfish?
[08:18] <xubuntu_> hey 
[08:18] <xubuntu_> chan sey there?
[08:18] <xubuntu_> nyone?
[08:25] <Noskcaj> wow, one minute from join to ragequit
[09:31] <AussieDownUnder> pleia2, I sent an email today to a Public Permaculture Farm in the guts of Brisbane, AU today requesting them to stick up an ubuntu/xubuntu flyer to their notice boards. They're pretty good people & I'm sure they'll appreciate giving out free information on free operating systems.
[09:47] <pjotr_> Hello, is there any news about the potential inclusion of the bugfix release Xfburn 0.5.0 in Trusty?
[09:50] <pjotr_> Jackson Doak (noskcaj) has filed a launchpad bug report for it, but there's no reaction there yet:
[09:50] <pjotr_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfburn/+bug/1282937
[10:06] <slickymaster-job> elfy: I confirmed Toz'z bug 1284923
[10:06] <elfy> cool
[10:07] <elfy> or not - as the case maybe - is it a bug - or new expected behaviour :)
[10:07] <slickymaster-job> elfy: good question
[10:07] <elfy> I've just seen the debian bug - using install rather than try 
[10:07] <slickymaster-job> let's ask ochosi 
[10:07] <slickymaster-job> ochosi ^^^
[10:07]  * ochosi doesn't know anything
[10:08] <ochosi> :}
[10:08] <ochosi> one sec
[10:08] <ochosi> sooo much backlog again
[10:08] <elfy> let's ask Henry the Mild Mannered Janitor then
[10:08] <ochosi> should definitely drop a few things from my highlight-list (e.g. light-locker)
[10:08] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[10:09] <ochosi> ok, so the xfdesktop-settings question, right?
[10:09] <slickymaster-job> yeaps
[10:09] <ochosi> that's a known issue
[10:09] <ochosi> and it's on the radar, will hopefully be fixed soon upstream
[10:09] <elfy> is there an upstream bug for it?
[10:09] <ochosi> possible
[10:09] <ochosi> but i'm not sure know
[10:09] <elfy> looking
[10:09] <ochosi> now
[10:10] <ochosi> crap, s/know/now/
[10:10] <slickymaster-job> ochosi: and also xfdesktop4 realated -> bug 1284914
[10:10] <ochosi> hm, that should be fixed i think
[10:10] <slickymaster-job> I'm also confirming that one
[10:10] <ochosi> at least it's optional now
[10:11] <ochosi> aha
[10:11] <ochosi> i have no network shares here now, so :/
[10:12] <elfy> can't find one 
[10:14] <ochosi> then feel free to file one
[10:14] <ochosi> i guess eric_the_idiot will be happy to have a bug to close soon :)
[10:14] <elfy> lol
[10:14] <pjotr_> elfy: sorry to interrupt, but as a a member of the Xubuntu Bugs Team, do you know what will happen with the recent bugfix release Xfburn 0.5.0?
[10:15] <elfy> pjotr_: I'm afraid not - we are aware of it as you know
[10:15] <pjotr_> do you know when it'll be decided?
[10:16] <elfy> No idea at the moment - and it won't actually be my decision :)
[10:16] <pjotr_> OK... who's the boss in this matter then?  :)
[10:17] <ochosi> i guess the ubuntu developers will decide in the end whether they'll sponsor it or not
[10:17] <ochosi> but they have a lot on their plates right now, so it might take a bit
[10:18] <pjotr_> OK... Which person can I contact best about it, do you think?
[10:18] <ochosi> nobody for now, just monitor this queue: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[10:18] <slickymaster-job> ochosi: http://imagebin.org/295909
[10:18] <slickymaster-job> elfy: ^^^
[10:18] <ochosi> pjotr_: there are tons of things there and many have a higher priority than xfburn
[10:19] <pjotr_> I understand.... :) 
[10:19] <pjotr_> But there's no harm in asking.... 
[10:19] <ochosi> there is
[10:19] <ochosi> ppl will get annoyed
[10:20] <ochosi> the thing is asking won't change anything apart from that ^
[10:20] <ochosi> if you want to change this situation, become a packager and then become a MOTU
[10:20] <pjotr_> OK, point taken....
[10:20] <ochosi> then you can upload stuff yourself
[10:21] <ochosi> but until then sit back, relax and watch the queue i linked you to ;)
[10:21] <pjotr_> I will. It's fascinating. =D
[10:23] <elfy> ochosi: reported and linked to LP bug https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10714
[10:23] <ochosi> ty
[10:24] <elfy> I always forget that username there is e-mail address ... 
[10:25] <ochosi> firefox remembers for me
[10:25] <elfy> it used to for me :)
[10:25] <elfy> it will next time lol
[10:25]  * ochosi keeps his fingers crossed for elfy's browser
[10:26] <slickymaster-job> way to go elfy ;)
[10:27] <ochosi> reminder about 12.04->14.04 upgrades: we have to take care of xscreensaver somehow, because ppl might end up having both installed
[10:27] <ochosi> (light-locker+xscreensaver)
[10:28] <elfy> yea - I was thinking about that the other day - and the indicators 
[10:28] <ochosi> mhm
[10:28] <ochosi> elfy: mind to add it to the meeting agenda?
[10:30] <ochosi> bbabl
[10:30] <elfy> ochosi: yep - I'll do it now
[10:30]  * qwebirc813940 curses his work internet connection
[10:33] <elfy> having fun then slickymasterWork :)
[10:33] <elfy> so what was that screenshot earlier of?
[10:34] <slickymasterWork> of a reproduction of bug 1284914
[10:35] <elfy> oh right 
[10:35]  * elfy doesn't have any of those
[10:36]  * slickymasterWork over here is working for the man, so he does have one of those 
[10:37] <elfy> :)
[10:37]  * elfy doesn't have a french kbd - but he's installing with one 
[10:37] <slickymasterWork> lol
[10:40] <elfy> I'm guessing that it won't get set to US 
[10:42] <starrats> while doing sudo apt-get update, halfway thru i got these errors libc6-dbg:amd 64 & libc6: amd 64, libc-dev-bin    I hope these are repairable by me but I do not know how.  As some of you have said that just do updates everyday well this is the latest results, should I just delete this version and try again with all the updates added to the new install or what.
[10:42] <starrats> oh btw good morning
[10:43] <elfy> it wasn't a partial upgrade was it?
[10:43] <starrats> no a partial update, never got to upgrade
[10:44] <elfy> so it's just the apt-get update bit?
[10:44] <starrats> one thing good, I hope my cursor was frozen today when I got on
[10:44] <starrats> yes sudo apt-get update is what I did
[10:45] <elfy> ok - well nothing is done yet then :)
[10:45] <elfy> make sure you've not got proposed enabled in repos
[10:45] <starrats> went to do something and came back and I got this error about manuallu doing a dpfg thing
[10:45] <starrats> dpkg
[10:46] <elfy> I'm guessing it's been a while since you updated - there's not been any updates recently
[10:46] <elfy> oh - so you must have done apt-get upgrade as well then
[10:46] <starrats> I updated yesterday afternoon
[10:46] <knome> we should have the next meeting tomorrow in the normal time.
[10:46] <knome> i'm running away in a minute, so if anybody feels like it, edit the meetings page
[10:47] <elfy> there is a difference between update and upgrade - if you tell me you've updated then I'll assume that's what you've fone
[10:47] <elfy> starrats: 
[10:47] <elfy> knome: ok - I'll do that - 1900UTC ?
[10:47] <starrats> yesterday  I did apt-get upgrade and that's when I first encountered this problem
[10:48] <elfy> right so you will have to run the dpkg command
[10:49] <starrats> I did update/upgrade yesterday and during the upgrade is when I encountered this problem about manually doing the dpkg thin
[10:49] <starrats> sorry I can't remember the exzct words
[10:50] <starrats> what is th e dpkg command?
[10:50] <elfy> open a terminal - run sudo apt-get update and you'll get the exact words - then copy paste them :)
[10:50] <starrats> okay
[10:50] <starrats> bbiab
[10:50] <bluesabre> Noskcaj, yes, I am aware as of yesterday, will releases fixes this weekend
[10:52] <starrats> well updat went thru without any problems
[10:52] <starrats> update
[10:53] <starrats> now I will run upgrade
[10:54] <starrats> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these.
[10:54] <starrats> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:54] <starrats>  libc-dev-bin : Depends: libc6 (> 2.19) but 2.18-0ubuntu7 is installed
[10:54] <starrats>  libc6-dbg : Depends: libc6 (= 2.19-0ubuntu2) but 2.18-0ubuntu7 is installed
[10:54] <starrats>  libc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.19-0ubuntu2) but 2.18-0ubuntu7 is installed
[10:54] <starrats> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[10:54] <starrats> this is what I got just after starting upgrade
[10:54] <knome> elfy, yep, thanks
[10:55] <elfy> starrats: please use pastebin next time :)
[10:55] <starrats> should I run that one thing listed and do it in sudeo?
[10:55] <elfy> yep
[10:56] <elfy> knome: welcome
[10:56] <starrats> ah don't know how with pastebin
[10:56] <elfy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[10:57] <elfy> copy stuff in - then click paste - then give people the url
[10:57] <elfy> or use pastebin which is installed
[10:57] <elfy> !pastebin
[10:59] <knome> ok, i'm off ->
[10:59] <starrats> okay next tyime but since I did it here should just use sudo to correct what it's telling me to do?
[10:59] <elfy> bye 
[10:59] <starrats> bye knome
[11:00] <elfy> starrats: yes :) it will tell you what you need to do 
[11:00] <elfy> wb slickymaster 
[11:00] <starrats> ok elfy
[11:10] <starrats> well I got thru update/upgrade/dist-upgrade just now and looks like things got repaired thru restart in the term
[11:11] <elfy> starrats: most times it will tell you what you need to do
[11:11] <starrats> I know but my Linux is quite rusty but catchinmg on, lol 
[11:12] <starrats> it has been a few years since I worked with Linux of any sort
[11:12] <starrats> but thank you elfy and i will bookmark the pastebin site
[11:12] <elfy> welcome :)
[11:14] <starrats> plus I will try to get on launchpad for other things I find but launchpad was giving me grief not accepting my pw
[13:57] <starrats> so far all is fine except one problem that disrupted me earlier, the ubuntu software update popped on and said I had to restart the computer to get all those update/upgrade/dist-upgrade to work, I did and when it came back to the xubuntu desktopm y cursor was frozen in the middle of the screen, but now I'm back and just letting you know this 
[14:26] <jjfrv8> bluesabre, do you have a version of menulibre available for testing that has the directory creation and top-level menu things working?
[14:58] <ochosi> gottcode: would be nice if you could take a look at this merge-request, would be nice if you could add a comment in case everything is in order: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xubuntu-default-settings/whiskermenu_defaults/+merge/208386
[15:08] <gottcode> ochosi: looks good to me
[15:08] <ochosi> gottcode: ok thanks!
[15:15] <ochosi> knome: shall we schedule a meeting for tomorrow?
[15:20] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I think I saw earlier that knome did say we would meet at the normal time and elfy volunteered to edit the meetings page
[15:20] <ochosi> ah, ok
[15:21] <ochosi> cause it doesn't seem to be in the google-calendar (yet)
[15:21] <jjfrv8> ochosi, so if I make the two changes in your whishker MR manually, I'll see the proposed new look?
[15:21] <ochosi> jjfrv8: do you already have the new panel layout?
[15:22] <jjfrv8> think so. installed the beta
[15:22] <ochosi> (i think xubuntu-default-settings in its latest upload should contain that already)
[15:22] <ochosi> ok
[15:22] <ochosi> yeah, so the easiest way is to open your ~/.config/xfce4/panel/whiskermenu*.rc
[15:23] <ochosi> and then paste in the settings from my merge-request
[15:24] <jjfrv8> cool. I want to work on the guide-desktop.html docs page today so I wanted to see the most current stuff possible.
[15:24] <ochosi> great!
[15:24] <ochosi> yeah, this should be fairly final
[15:24] <ochosi> the only thing that could change is the order and amount of "favorites"
[15:25] <jjfrv8> ok. I'll try to avoid getting locked into too much detail.
[15:25] <ochosi> don't think it's a huge problem, just saying
[15:26] <jjfrv8> sure
[15:26] <ochosi> and i've discussed the current favorites with knome already
[15:26] <ochosi> so they're certainly not just a first thought
[15:26] <ochosi> but who knows, i'm open if someone thinks i've missed something
[15:30] <jjfrv8> e.g., one of the things I wanted to check was that we have current refs to 'main menu->Help', which doesn't appear on the version of whisker in the beta
[15:31] <ochosi> yeah
[15:32] <ochosi> it's in the favorites now
[15:32] <jjfrv8> :)
[15:32] <ochosi> (which is displayed by default)
[15:33]  * elfy doesn't do the calendar jjfrv8 :)
[15:34] <elfy> doesn't even know where it is offhand 
[15:42] <slickymasterWork> hmm I'm under the impression that it's Unit193 who takes care of that
[15:42] <slickymasterWork> the calendar
[15:45] <ochosi> yeah, quite possible
[15:45] <ochosi> is he still ill?
[15:46] <slickymasterWork> think not, the surgery went and he was recovering well
[15:46] <slickymasterWork> +fine
[15:46] <slickymasterWork> went fine :P
[15:47] <slickymasterWork> but the truth is I haven't seen him much around, which is odd
[15:51] <ochosi> mhm
[15:51] <ochosi> didnt know there was surgery involved
[15:52] <ochosi> good to hear that went fine though
[15:52] <slickymasterWork> yeah, he had appendicitis
[15:53] <ochosi> hmm
[16:12] <slickymasterWork> Noskcaj, can you please raise the status of bug 1284923 to 'Triaged'
[16:55] <jjfrv8> ochosi, you still around?
[16:55] <ochosi> i am
[16:55] <ochosi> what up?
[16:56] <jjfrv8> looking through our current doc pages we have a lot of references to "mainmenu->Settings Manager"...
[16:56] <jjfrv8> do you think with whiskermenu we'll stay with just the icon at the bottom?
[16:57] <ochosi> i guess so
[16:57] <ochosi> i mean we can add it to the favorites if you feel it's hard to discover where it is currently
[16:57] <ochosi> also, ppl can search for "settings"
[16:58] <jjfrv8> no, not at all, I just was wondering if we should add that icon to entities, tell ppl to search, add to favorites, all of the above? :)
[16:59] <ochosi> yeah, i'm also not certain
[16:59] <ochosi> we can quickly discuss it at the meeting tomorrow if you want
[16:59] <ochosi> (feel free to add it to the agenda)
[16:59] <jjfrv8> sounds good
[16:59] <ochosi> ok cool
[17:54] <elfy> great 
[17:54] <elfy> added a bunch of upgrade tests to the beta now
[17:55] <ochosi> great
[17:55] <ochosi> i'm not sure that it's a great place to keep this, but i added my two current 12.04->14.04 upgrade-concerns to the features blueprint
[17:56] <elfy> saw that 
[18:04] <ochosi> elfy: if you have an idea for a better place feel free to move it
[18:04] <elfy> I couldn't think of a better place :)
[19:00] <schproodle> Are xubuntu trusty images on hold for now? 24 Feb seems to be the latest.
[19:01] <elfy> schproodle: that's because we aren't testing dailies at the moment - we are testing Beta 1
[19:01] <elfy> it will only change if we rebuilt
[19:01] <schproodle> elfy, Beta seems to be 24 Feb too.
[19:01] <elfy> yes 
[19:02] <elfy> it will only change if we rebuilt
[19:02] <elfy> nothing will change with the available images until after the beta gets released
[19:04] <schproodle> elfy, I see. Thanks.  Anything more I should do iwht the available ones. Done 4 testcases each for 32 and 64 bit.
[19:04] <schproodle> that is, 5 testcases each eh.
[19:04] <elfy> upgrade tests are there to be done :)
[19:05] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds
[19:05] <elfy> then tick the upgrade box on the left filter 
[19:05] <schproodle> have not done any of those.  Are they different from daily builds?
[19:05] <elfy> yea 
[19:05] <schproodle> testcases for those as well, I suppose.  OK
[19:05] <elfy> you need to start with 12.04.4 then upgrade to 14.04 for both 64 and 32 bit
[19:06] <elfy> then there is also 13.10 to 14.04 in 32 and 64 bit
[19:06] <elfy> one is a test with update manager - the other test is with a 14.04 beta image
[19:06] <schproodle> OK.  Install 12.04 on vms and go from there eh.
[19:06] <elfy> please :)
[19:07] <elfy> I'm starting 64 bit here atm - so if someone else can do 32 bit that would be awesome
[19:09] <schproodle> Will do, just now looking for 12.04...32 bit coming up...
[19:10] <elfy> oh - and once you've installed 12.04.4 there are a bunch of updates you need to do before upgrading
[19:11] <schproodle> got it.  I don't see 12.04.4 yet...
[19:11] <elfy> http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[19:12] <elfy> 12.04 is at the bottom of the page
[19:15] <schproodle> 12.04.3...found 12.04.4 desktop 32.-bit... torrent
[19:17] <schproodle> elfy, Where are the testcases for the upgrade?
[19:44] <schproodle> elfy, Testcases for Upgrade Xubuntu i386 in Trusty Beta 1: I will therefor use 'LTS Desktop Upgrade (Precise).  Correct?
[19:48] <elfy> schproodle: yep
[20:01] <schproodle> elfy, upgrade 'quantal quetzal' is offered.  I am not on the right track am I?
[20:18] <schproodle> elfy, testcase asks for 'Any new version' in update-manager.  That selection results in an ugrade ti quantal.  Selc=ecting 'For longterm support versions" offers to upgrade to 14.04.  Is the testcase msleading in this regard?
[20:18] <schproodle> elfy, using 'Upgrade in Upgrade Xubuntu i386 for Trusty Beta 1' testcase
[20:20] <schproodle> elfy, I believe you wanted an upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 NO5 12.10
[20:22] <elfy> yep
[20:22] <elfy> which testcase are you following - give me the url :)
[20:24] <elfy> ochosi: first upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 - indicator-sound and indicator-sound-gtk2 installed, and bottom panel is still there
[20:26] <brainwash> the bottom panel will remain if you have an user config for the panel
[20:26] <elfy> yea - guessed as much
[20:29] <schproodle> elfy, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds/63614/testcases/1310/results
[20:30] <elfy> schproodle: for that you should have started with 13.10 - then that will upgrade to 14.04
[20:31] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds/63614/testcases
[20:31] <elfy> top 2 are 13.10 to 14.04 - bottom 2 are 12.04 to 14.04
[20:32] <schproodle> elfy, which one do you want for now?
[20:33] <schproodle> elfy, I have a vm with 12.04 ready to upgrade so i can just change to the other testcase eh.
[20:33] <elfy> yep :)
[20:33] <elfy> the bottom one is the quickest
[20:34] <elfy> that uses a 14.04 image to upgrade from
[20:37] <jjfrv8> knome, slickymaster, https://code.launchpad.net/~jjfrv8/xubuntu-docs/chapters-3-4-updates/+merge/208469
[20:37] <jjfrv8> it's not a real merge request - too preliminary for that. Just wanted to get some comments on some proposed changes for the new panel
[20:38] <schproodle> elfy, I was using the 'bottom two' http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds/63614/testcases for the testcase for an intended upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04.  Following the LTS Upgrade testcase lead me to report the instructions lead to an upgrad to 12.10 from 12.04.
[20:40] <elfy> well - don't worry about what the testcase says - as long as it upgrades from 12.04 to 14.04 then it passes
[20:40] <elfy> unless of course it is only letting you upgrade to 12.10 
[20:41] <elfy> in which case perhaps the 32 bit ones are wrong - the 64bit one worked fine
[20:41] <schproodle> elfy, Since I changed to 'For long term support versions', it does offer 14.04 as the upgrade.
[20:42] <elfy> ok
[20:42] <schproodle> elfy, You mean the 32 bit testcase is incorrect?
[20:42] <elfy> schproodle: no - and I don't have time to check it right now either :)
[20:43] <elfy> if it upgrades from 12 to 14 pass it :)
[20:43] <schproodle> OK
[20:43] <elfy> ty :)
[20:43] <ali1234> brainwash: i still can't reproduce that trash bug
[20:48] <brainwash> ali1234: strange, maybe some special timing is needed
[20:49] <brainwash> but what could race her?
[20:49] <brainwash> here
[20:51] <elfy> schproodle: there is something awry with the tracker
[20:51] <brainwash> ali1234: if I open thunar for the first time after restarting the session, it will display the trash content, but thunar is not aware of files in trash
[20:53] <elfy> knome: you about?
[20:58] <elfy> I'm off now - if you see this - have a look here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds/63613/testcases
[20:58] <elfy> I did the 2 lts upgrade tests - but it's marking them in both normal and lts - apart from where it is just showing a bug 
[20:58] <elfy> strange 
[20:58] <schproodle> elfy, Usually I am awry -- remains hard to tell the difference eh. : )
[20:59] <elfy> schproodle: when you report these upgrade tests - make a note physically of what you've done - because you might find that you report it and it shows up where you didn't test as well
[20:59] <elfy> yea - well I'm definitely awry at the moment lol 
[21:00] <elfy> night all
[21:58] <Unit193> jjfrv8, slickymaster: Right, was thinking I hadn't done that: http://goo.gl/12GKd4
[21:58] <schproodle> upgraded 12.04 to 14.04 -- upgraded from a lts release to lts release but terminal command shows Prompt=normal. lsb_release indicates 'Release: 14.04'.  Should I try to file a bug? Testcase seems to suggest that these results indicated failure.
[21:59] <schproodle> What happens if I just indicate in progress BTW?
[22:00] <schproodle> I can't fail it without a bug report.
[22:05] <Unit193> ochosi: Doesn't whiskermenu support xdg config dirs??
[22:06] <pleia2> knome: reviewed announcement + release notes
[22:07] <pleia2> made it a bit less wordy in a couple spots, but mostly looked great
[22:44] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: your MP looks quite good. My only question would be why you add the Top Panel section to the beginning of the chapter
[22:45] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: I was under the impression that we we would go with personal info (mugshot) - appearance - menu(libre) sequence in the Settings and Preferences chapter
[22:46] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: kind of personal preferences -> looks -> menu editing
[22:48] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: never mind 
[22:49] <slickymaster> I saw now that that's in guide-desktop.xml
[22:50]  * slickymaster thinks that sometimes multitasking can be quite risky
[23:05] <schproodle> re:  Upgrade (image) in Upgrade Xubuntu i386 for Trusty Beta 1
[23:06] <schproodle> QATRacker testing testcase is confusing.  Is there another image for upgrade.  After select install from the regular iso upgradind is an option but not at the welcome screen as suggested by the testcase text.
[23:09] <knome> schproodle, that testcase expects you to have a previous version installed
[23:10] <Unit193> Also, for upgrading to development versions, in do-release-upgrade and the upgrade-manager, you'll need the -d switch.
[23:10] <schproodle> knome, copy that -- is that all.?
[23:10] <knome> schproodle, if the testcase is misleading, then it should be fixed.
[23:11] <schproodle> knome, you want me to do something about that like a bug against the testcase?
[23:13] <schproodle> OK.  Put it this way:  Is there ever an option at the initial screen from booting an iso that shows an option for upgrading?
[23:14] <schproodle> If not, then the testcase language seems to be nonsensical.
[23:19] <schproodle> I think I now understand the distinction between 'Upgrade' and 'Upgrade (image)' Former wants an upgrade from the previous version via update-manage and the latter an ujpgrade from the iso boot installation option.
[23:21] <schproodle> That is, testing two different methods for upgrading.  Sorry I did not understand that earlier.