[01:09] I think I can say that after trying 2 langs the docs do not change langs [07:41] how does one turn off whatever libre office integration that makes it crash _all_ the time [07:41] (13.10) [08:13] jussi: remove libreoffice-kde and install libreoffice-gtk [08:14] oxygen-gtk will do the theming and LO will look much better [08:14] you will only lose kde file dialog [08:15] works fine here on 14.04 :) [08:33] soee: horribly broken on 13.10 [08:33] even with backports [08:34] oh wow, very different look, thanks snele [08:34] btw, how does kmail works this days ? [08:35] soee: on 13.10 its working well [08:35] using it everyday for work [08:36] jussi: it looks as it should, 100% oxygen (with color radients, shadows on menus etc) :) [08:36] a little bit of slowness fetching mails/firet time reading, but other than that, pretty good [08:36] jussi: better than thunderbird ? :D) [08:37] soee: dunno, havent used thunderbird for a good while [08:37] ah ok [08:37] soee: give it a go :) [08:39] woohoo, save as works again [08:41] I think that libreoffice-kde is unmaintained and untested. Even LO devs use oxygen-gtk under kde [08:42] so maybe it is better to ship libreoffice-gtk because of looks and stability :) [08:42] apachelogger: Riddell shadeslayer et al - thoughts on that proposal ? [08:44] darth vader [08:45] jussi: munich was working on it AFAIK [08:45] apachelogger: hrm... [08:46] also I doubt anyone ever bothered to report bugs [08:49] Why do I get this: qmake: could not open config file '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qtchooser//default.conf': No such file or directory [08:49] soee, jussi: I got no kdeconnect screenshot btw :'< [08:50] uhm, apachelogger give me few minutes [08:50] When I try to update my system I get http://paste.kde.org/p54hgcbrx/zt484o [08:50] cff: qt5-default missing [08:50] apachelogger: yes, its not installed [08:51] cff: please use #kubuntu for support [08:56] starting l10n review #2 [09:01] kubotu: order coffee [09:01] * kubotu slides a cup of steamy hot coffee down the bar to apachelogger. [09:42] shadeslayer: http://i.imgur.com/T3tqSzy.png that looks a bit wrong [09:42] Good morning. === kfunk_ is now known as kfunk [10:22] ahoneybun, valorie: did you mail kde-i18n-doc and ubuntu-translators about documentation translation? [10:22] there doesn't seem to be much movement [10:35] god I hate the austrian mirror [11:31] soee is hiding now :'< [11:33] Hiyas all [11:45] proofreaders: how does this read? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TrustyUpgrades/Kubuntu/12.04LTS [12:02] Riddell: looks good [12:04] apachelogger: it does [12:04] apachelogger: steps to reproduce? [12:05] shadeslayer: install in vbox. start the kcm. [12:05] and it won't pop up on the live system? [12:05] dunno, I only tested after install [12:05] also I had the vbox guest drivers already installed [12:05] so that might be related [12:05] ohm [12:05] I'll have a look after lunch [12:08] apachelogger: - kubuntu-driver-manager suffering from the [12:08] ubuntu-doesnt-do-localization-anymore-problem [12:08] what does that mean ^^ ? [12:08] i.e. no translators [12:08] or dpm needs poking with a pointy stick [12:09] dpm [12:09] actually a guy other than dpm recently imported kdesudo [12:09] then promptly complained that all kdesudo translations were independent imports for some reason so he'd have to click accept 300 times or so [12:09] haven't heared from him since [12:09] jussi: ktp backported to staging, mind looking at it? [12:09] jussi: by looking I mean testing [12:09] once it's built [12:10] shadeslayer: we might actually want to do issue escalation a bit [12:10] spam some mailing lists or something [12:10] apachelogger: I hear the ubuntu developers have one [12:10] ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com or sth [12:10] which is pretty much what was planned for after review 2 anyway [12:10] I agree [12:10] if we don't get them imports going soon we'll end up with breakage [12:10] yep [12:10] because pitti will also need to adjust the exports and that can go wrong as well [12:12] oh .... :/ [12:12] apachelogger: want to start poking? I know very little about the whole l10n stuff [12:13] ISO TESTING [12:13] shadeslayer: doesn't really need knowledge anyway, just pointing at bug reports and a lot of whining ^^ [12:13] apachelogger: I can do ISO testing [12:13] shadeslayer: btw, if you have a bug for driver-manager not being imported please add it to the card on the review board and move the card to analyzed [12:13] shadeslayer: we are both doing iso testing [12:14] oh heh [12:14] shadeslayer: you'll do the i386, I'll do the amd64 [12:14] http://nooooooooooooooooo.com/ [12:14] apachelogger: fine with me [12:14] fyi someone needs to automate this shit [12:14] what? [12:14] iso testery? [12:15] yes [12:15] auto testery does not cut it [12:15] its annoying to do this 4 times a cycle [12:16] as I said in some email thread, if people don't feel inclined to do QA, then we should just stop doing releases, safes us a lot of trouble [12:23] we could gain a lot from doing automatic testing, that would be great. some manual testing will always be needed [12:24] actually I think we'll want to wait for qt5 [12:24] since our accessibility stuff is just a gigantic patch against qt4 [12:24] I'd not really trust the results [12:24] mm [12:24] plus we cannot do the stuff upstream due to that [12:24] I totally did not think about that when we talked about this in munich === who_da_fly is now known as superfly [12:28] mmm [12:29] apachelogger: good point [12:30] shadeslayer: did you do anything fancy to get kde-developer-sdk into muon-discover? [12:30] apachelogger: so "http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/branches/stable/l10n-kde4/de/messages/extragear-sysadmin/muon-discover.po" says version is just version [12:30] Riddell: apart from writing a fake desktop file? nope [12:30] shadeslayer: yez [12:30] shadeslayer: right, did that work? [12:31] apachelogger: so why did I have to report a bug last night :P [12:31] shadeslayer: I don't seem to be able to get it [12:31] maybe app-install-data is outdated [12:32] shadeslayer: because I was off work and I did not look at x-test? [12:32] you should learn to find out yourself whether something is not translated or not cannot be translated :P [12:32] >.> [12:36] how come we don't have kdeconnect installed by default? [12:39] Hmm, no one is testing the i386 image... Shall I? [12:39] lordievader: why not? :D [12:40] lordievader: please do [12:40] :) [12:40] lordievader, apachelogger, shadeslayer: please mark images as testing in progress when you start a test so we don't duplicate, time is of the essence today [12:40] lordievader: shadeslayer is testing em, please coordinate [12:41] Riddell: dunno how to do that, I only have a button for passed with no bugs... [12:41] man that tracker is crap [12:42] apachelogger: there is one to say in progress [12:42] lordievader: feel free to take up the one that I'm not testing [12:42] there is one goes on to the individual test page [12:42] aha [12:42] yeah [12:42] shadeslayer: Ok, will do. Updating image now. [12:42] apachelogger: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds/63669/testcases/1300/results [12:42] this is like the 90's I swear [12:43] click on "In progress" [12:43] voila [12:43] apachelogger: on e.g. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds/63669/testcases/1303/results click In progress and Submit [12:43] rinse and repeat [12:43] yeah [12:43] much crap right there [12:44] quite [12:44] real developers run 6 VMs in parallel [12:44] and subsequently run out of RAM to use the website [12:44] no kidding xD [12:44] firefox doesn't fit in the remaining memories [12:44] heh [12:45] sounds like your disk is getting it's fair share of action today [12:46] the disk is coping well enough, network IO is a drag [12:46] what do you have, a microchip disk :P [12:46] particularly since ubiquity insist on using at.archive, which is like the slowest thing in the world [12:46] shadeslayer: 3 different disks? :P [12:47] ah you haven't read the article [12:47] apachelogger: http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/schoolboy-invents-computer-system/article5700785.ece [12:47] also much like in the 90's, where disks were so small you had to have a couple of them if you had huge amounts of data :P [12:47] atleast he's using KDE .... [12:47] shadeslayer: that first sentence fails to parse btw [12:48] apachelogger: "The Guwahati teenager’s prototype uses a microchip instead of a hard disk" ? [12:48] City schoolboy Afreed Islam on Monday launched his prototype of a computer system that uses a microchip instead of a hard disk and is embedded with an operative system that allows dependencies on both Windows and Linux-based software simultaneously. [12:49] on a much more important note, the schoolboy has a bowtie straightening problem [12:50] if bowties were a thing I am sure #bowtiefail would be trending on twitter because people always end up all messed up bowties [12:50] [12:51] apachelogger: no shit x 2 [12:52] that entire article fails to parse [12:52] He said he had collaborated with a German company for manufacturing the computer system. [12:52] at least germans were involved [12:52] must be good then [12:52] we shoudl also get an operative system though [12:52] sounds like quite the hoot [12:53] apachelogger: http://wowmoron.wordpress.com/2014/02/19/truth-behind-magic-operating-system-developed-by-std-x-student/ [12:53] proofreaders: check out touchpad tool, kde software development kit and kdeconnect updates https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/Beta1/Kubuntu [12:54] I do not always watch fox news, but when I do, truth doesn't matter [12:54] muhahaha [12:54] Riddell: touchpad screenshot is le bad [12:54] shadeslayer must make new one [12:54] kcm is ugly [12:54] Riddell: kdeconnect shot is missized [12:54] needs to be 350px [12:55] Riddell: oh, what I wanted to ask... what version is that plasma-nm of ours? [12:55] 0.9.3.3 git, or 0.9.4 git or 0.10 git [12:55] it's much confusing [12:56] mmm ... my food seems to have lost some of it's spicyness overnight [12:57] embed an operative system, it will help lots [12:57] my food doesn't have a microchip [12:57] and since Unix is hardware dependent, I can't run it on my food [12:58] "wow microchip! such kernel! much module!" [12:58] lawl [12:59] I wonder if Novell has a unix kernel that will run on food [13:00] apachelogger: it's a git snapshot between 0.9.3.2 and 0.9.3.3 [13:00] "Money cannot buy happiness but it can surely buy patents, media attention and awards." [13:00] shadeslayer: that truth is shit [13:00] it does not comment on the tie issue! [13:00] #truthfail [13:00] lol [13:01] Riddell: kthx [13:01] Riddell: so I guess we can land .3 proper after freeze [13:01] I think that was released today [13:01] apachelogger: yep [13:01] new rule: must not trust people with inproperly tied bow ties and/or not straightened ones [13:02] or is it improperly [13:02] english much difficult [13:03] apachelogger: http://imgur.com/dnQ9aPf [13:03] Riddell: you broke the sizing of the top download table btw [13:03] * apachelogger has exciting 5 seconds of lag now and goes on a coffee break [13:03] shadeslayer: new bug: ksni icon is broken [13:03] how so [13:04] apachelogger: there is no touchpad on this machine [13:04] because it looks like shoot [13:04] icons are not meant to look like shoot [13:04] -> coffee [13:04] I am not even sure what that means [13:04] apachelogger: please report upstream [13:09] * apachelogger conducts fist shaking [13:10] amd64 oem test pending if someone wants to do that [13:10] gotta go afk for half an hour or so [13:11] apachelogger: will get to it if no one looks at it [13:33] Would this be a bug with KVM or with Ubiquity?: http://lordievader.no-ip.org/files/trusty-kvm.png [13:36] mmm [13:37] lordievader: looks like a ubiquity bug to me [13:37] lordievader: I'll try and reproduce it on real hardware [13:37] just to be sure [13:37] shadeslayer: It's the i386 iso. [13:37] yep [13:37] that's the one I'm testing [13:37] shadeslayer: You haven't seen it? [13:38] I haven't run the OEM setup yet [13:38] since you were doing it [13:38] After the install I'll check if I get it for the 'normal' mode too. [13:40] it's fine in normal mode [13:40] lordievader: fwiw I get it in VBox too [13:40] it's a matter of not having enough space [13:40] So it seems. [13:40] xnox: ^^ [13:43] shadeslayer, lordievader: mostly that's an agateau ping, it's caused by it changing to a windowed application [13:44] oh [13:44] lordievader,shadeslayer: anyone want to report a bug? [13:44] lordievader: ^^ you discovered it :P [13:45] Ugh, just through Launchpad or using the ubuntu-bug utility? [13:45] hu, I assume you are talking about the cropped text in the big buttons? [13:45] Riddell: I don't see kactivities-kf5 in the PPA [13:45] shadeslayer: yeah, i have nothing to do with qt frontend styling issues =) [13:46] agateau: yep [13:46] agateau: resizing the window to be a bit bigger fixes the problem [13:47] sgclark: fixing [13:47] shadeslayer: is it specific to the "system manufacturer mode" (which I assume is OEM)? [13:47] agateau: yep [13:47] ok [13:47] will look into it [13:47] agateau: I suppose it's the text field at the botton [13:47] *bottom [13:48] Is there still need for a bug report? [13:48] lordievader: always nice to be able to link a branch to a bug report :) [13:49] sgclark: should be up now, I need to add -sa to bzr-buildpackage-ppa so it uploads the orig.tar as well [13:49] lordievader: yes please [13:49] Riddell: ty [13:49] mm [13:49] Err where tough? https://launchpad.net/ubiquity doesn't let me report a bug... [13:50] apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/WmQkGVr.png < first line untranslated? [13:51] lordievader: that project does not track bugs, please file bugs with $ ubuntu-bug ubiquity, which is against ubiquity package in ubuntu distribution [13:51] xnox: Ok, will do. Thank you. [13:52] lordievader: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug [13:54] sgclark: failed on i386 [13:56] shadeslayer: yes, if you recall, we had like a card for that, that you actually got semi-done, just in case you forgot :O [13:56] apachelogger: what what what [13:56] actually [13:56] apachelogger: como ? [13:57] it's a space ship [13:57] yay [13:57] apachelogger: ah the untranslated line [13:57] xnox/agateau: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1285679 [13:58] Launchpad bug 1285679 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "text of buttons unreadable on OEM installer" [Undecided,New] [13:58] lordievader: thanks [13:58] yeah, attribute that to the gtk ui blocking progress :P [13:58] Riddell: i386 patched [14:00] * shadeslayer yawns [14:01] Riddell: eer one moment error [14:01] agateau: I like how you're holding 2 other boats in the picture on qa.kubuntu.co.uk [14:02] shadeslayer: am I? [14:02] "if I go down, all 5 of you are going down with me, muwahaha" [14:02] Riddell: i386 is nwow really patched [14:02] agateau: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ [14:03] unless that's not you in the 2nd boat from the left [14:03] shadeslayer: that's me indeed :) [14:05] kubuntu - assuring boat quality since 2004 [14:05] someone needs to automate boat QA [14:06] * apachelogger does screenshot balacing [14:07] apachelogger: how does resizing work? [14:07] in ubiquity [14:08] [ ] -> [ ][ ] [14:09] what if I have [ ][[ ][ ]] [14:10] [ ][[ ][ ]] -> [ ][ ][[ ][ ]] [14:11] artwork balanced [14:11] !!!! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/Beta1/Kubuntu PLEASE PROOFREAD!!!! [14:11] apachelogger: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [14:13] can't get it work :( [14:26] anyone able to confirm if bug 1259465 is still a problem with the new plasma-nm? [14:26] bug 1259465 in plasma-nm (Ubuntu) "kde-nm-connection-editor is completely useless for setting up TLS connections" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259465 [14:29] shadeslayer: did your fix to bug 1232156 get uploaded? [14:29] bug 1232156 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "oxygen-gtk3 does not work out of box on kubuntu 13.10 and 14.04" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232156 [14:30] Riddell: don't think so [14:32] bug would have closed otherwise [14:33] bugs updated on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/Beta1/Kubuntu do review incase there's other ones we should highlight [14:33] apachelogger: kdeconnect image disappeared? [14:34] Riddell: refresh? [14:34] apachelogger: yay working :) [14:35] "KDEConnect" or "KDE Connect" ? [14:35] google says "KDE Connect" [14:38] apachelogger: mind making a new kubuntu-notification-helper snapshot [14:39] shadeslayer: beta freeze [14:39] why snappy? [14:48] apachelogger: bug fixes [14:48] still won't get in :P [14:48] 64bit iso tests done [14:48] mmkay [14:48] apachelogger: mind doing 32 bit resize test [14:48] I can't get it to show up [14:48] yes [14:49] I have no i386 ISO [14:49] download it [14:49] yeah, takes an hour [14:49] move to the office [14:49] takes even longer [14:49] one time investment [14:49] think of all the porn you could download [14:50] yes [14:50] apachelogger: what if I gave you VNC access [14:50] would that work [14:54] lordievader: any news on the OEM install? [14:55] shadeslayer: probably [14:55] apachelogger: ok [14:55] shadeslayer: Seems to be fine furthermore. [14:57] apachelogger: bah , port is probably going to be blocked on the router [14:58] it's the way of the port [14:58] what's the problem anyway [14:58] create VM, crate 32 gib harddisk for vm, install on entire harddisk, go to installer again, use resize option [14:59] yeah, didn't work when I tried it [14:59] no resize option [14:59] and this was on a 300 GB disk [15:00] noob? :P [15:00] shadeslayer: bug 1268931 "I tested an update from 12.04 LTS to 14.04 Beta 1 and I'm not convinced this worked. Needs more investigation" [15:00] bug 1268931 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "need kconf_update for kickoffrc" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1268931 [15:01] screenshot of kickoff plz [15:03] shadeslayer: well that's why I'm a bit fuzzy, I have changed my install since and I need to reconfirm [15:03] oh ok [15:04] https://trello.com/c/qGUHojpT [15:18] agateau: IIRC it reads the parameter from the command boot arguments [15:18] shadeslayer: ok I am going to investigate [15:23] agateau: Hit F4 when you get the boot menu of the iso (might have to hit esc a few time) and then select OEM mode. [15:29] lordievader: yes, but if I do this I don't get to test my code :/ [15:30] * agateau hacks an ugly workaround [15:31] agateau: Then I have no idea... [15:39] Riddell: kactivities copyright and description is complete, please upload again. [15:44] Riddell: wanna review the oem button fix for Ubiquity, or should I assign shadeslayer instead? [15:47] agateau: sorry I'm about to run away until monday, shadeslayer is your man [15:48] agateau: well, I can't merge it into ubiquity since I don't have permissions [15:48] sgclark: uploaded! [15:49] sgclark: as above, I'm about to run away until monday, nudge someone else useful if you need reviews etc [15:49] shadeslayer, apachelogger, lordievader: thanks much for doing testing today, can I mark the images as good for release and leave the rest to you? [15:50] Riddell: trying to figure out how to get resize working [15:51] Riddell: shadeslayer: ok, here is the request anyway https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-fix-cropped-greeter-buttons/+merge/208628 [15:51] shadeslayer: you just need to install it on a big enough disk that it has space to resize a second install [15:56] agateau: I think it looks fine [15:56] \o/ [15:56] jussi: thank you [15:56] jussi: I just got the stickers [15:57] agateau: I haven't tested it, just looking at the ui file changes [15:57] agateau: though are lines 8 and 9 required? [15:57] i.e. looks like an un-necessary change [16:00] shadeslayer: no they probably are not, it's just Designer doing its things [16:01] the change should be harmless though === ronnoc_ is now known as ronnoc [16:07] apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-fix-cropped-greeter-buttons/+merge/208628 [16:07] apachelogger: plz review [16:10] apachelogger: yeah I can't get resizing to work [16:10] Did a fresh isntall of trusty on a disk -> restart -> start installer again -> no option to resize [16:13] * apachelogger needs to to get a haircut [16:13] it's all over the place [16:13] and that beard :@ [16:13] shadeslayer: you are doing it wrong [16:14] clearly [16:14] well, I did it as you mentioned it before :P [16:16] ovidiu-florin: excellent :) [16:16] apachelogger: so what do you reckon is going wrong [16:16] pebkac [16:17] that doesn't help :/ [16:17] yeah, I'll make a video for you [16:17] on windows, windows shall teach you how to install kubuntu :P [16:17] what should be on that screenshot from kde connect ? [16:17] * apachelogger heads out [16:17] soee: too late, already have one :P [16:17] :< [16:18] you said 5 minutes, 8 hours later we are now :P [16:18] yeah, iv created new account but had to drive to meeting, and just returned :( [16:54] apachelogger: i386 resizing is definitely broken [16:54] apachelogger: because Precise showed me an option to resize, but I installed it to the full disk [16:54] 14.04 doesn't show it at all [17:39] jussi: do I owe you anything for them? [17:40] ovidiu-florin: nothing. they were paid for by the KC, all you need to do is use them at events and other useful places [17:40] great [18:38] shadeslayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vefcv7yx8pg -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY0drOhl3y0 -> I win [18:41] dafuq [18:41] apachelogger: I don't get that option [18:41] so good for you [18:41] because pebkac [18:41] apachelogger: I'm running upgrade tests [18:41] :/ [18:42] apachelogger: it shows up in precise [18:42] upgrade tests are scheduled for next week I think [18:42] or the week after [18:42] did not see the time date on their [18:42] I thought it was part of the testing today [18:43] anyway, it's already upgrading [18:43] and I want to check my kconf_update script [18:45]