[00:13] <rcw2> anyone having display issues with toolboxes sticking or the wrong size with gimp in updated saucy?
[01:10] <WahBlow> h
[02:34] <Newspeech> Ein kurzer Test.
[02:34] <Unit193> !de
[02:35] <Newspeech> ok thx
[02:36] <SierraAR> Anybody have any good recommendations for IRC clients to run on kubuntu, that support SSL and connecting to multiple networks at once?
[02:52] <Darthfrog> I don't know about SSL, but I use Konversation.
[02:52] <Darthfrog> There's also Quassel.
[02:52] <Darthfrog> They're both native KDE IRC apps.
[02:54] <Belial`> SierraAR, quassel and konversation i believe both support ssl. most if not all modern irc clients support multiple networks.
[02:54] <Unit193> SierraAR: I'd hope/think most clients support that.  I know for a fact Quassel does, and Irssi does splendedly.
[02:54] <Unit193> splendidly
[07:03] <DEEPAK> HI
[08:53] <cff> Why do I get this when I do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade http://paste.kde.org/p54hgcbrx/zt484o#line-1?
[08:54] <cff> I have saucy-backports repo enabled
[08:54] <cff> saucy and saucy-updates
[08:54] <cff> & saucy-security
[08:59] <jussi> cff: this may be useless information, but have you tried apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[09:04] <cff> jussi: indeed, that seems to start the upgrade, not sure if it does the right thing
[09:04] <cff> jussi: as it removed some packages
[09:06] <apachelogger> PPA upgrades sometimes need to remove/replace packages
[09:06] <cff> yes, but it removed nvidia driver and I think now it is no longer installed
[09:07] <apachelogger> probably you are usign the xorg-edgers ppa
[09:07]  * apachelogger advises against using that particular PPA :P
[09:07] <cff> I've used it in the past but disabled it
[09:07] <cff> because it caused problems
[09:07] <apachelogger> cff: unless you run the tool ppa-purge you will likely still have packages from the PPA
[09:08] <apachelogger> ppa-purge essentially forcefully downgrades all packages from what was in the PPA to the official ubuntu version
[09:24] <cff> After reboot I have this problem: The following packages have unmet dependencies:  nvidia-current-updates : Depends: nvidia-304-updates but it is not going to be installed
[09:24] <cff> I no longer have any nvidia packages installed
[09:25] <cff> ppa-purge didn't work for ppa:xorg-edgers
[09:25] <cff> Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: ppa:xorg-edgers ppa:xorg-edgers
[09:28] <cff> SystemError: E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[09:28] <cff> sudo apt-mark showhold returns 0 results
[09:28] <cff> :O
[09:30] <cff> sudo apt-get install -f ; sudo dpkg --configure -a ... nothing
[09:30] <cff> what happened?
[09:36] <cff> huh gcc got uninstalled too
[09:36] <cff> gcc 4.8
[09:36] <cff> The following packages have unmet dependencies: gcc : Depends: gcc-4.8 (>= 4.8.1-4~) but it is not going to be installed
[09:42] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:48] <cff> nothing works
[10:06] <cff> Does Kubuntu have GCC 4.8?
[10:06] <cff> 13.10
[10:08] <lordievader> !info gcc
[10:11] <cff> lordievader: they why do I get this http://paste.kde.org/pnor1fknt/vrhnsm ?
[10:14] <lordievader> cff: Because of unmet dependencies: http://paste.kde.org/pnor1fknt/vrhnsm
[10:15] <cff> lordievader: I've tried all the things in http://askubuntu.com/questions/140246/how-do-i-resolve-unmet-dependencies can't find out why
[10:15] <lordievader> Err "Depends: binutils (>= 2.23.90.20131017)" is what I ment.
[10:16] <cff> lordievader: everything I try to install fails
[10:16] <lordievader> Probably because of a 3rd party repo.
[10:16] <cff> lordievader: do I need to enable / disable the 3rd party repo?
[10:16] <lordievader> That's correct apt refuses to install due to unmet dependencies.
[10:16] <lordievader> cff: You first need to find the one responsible and disable that one.
[10:16] <cff> I've disabled all 3rd parties same problem
[10:17] <lordievader> All in /etc/apt/{sources.list,sources.list.d/*}?
[10:19] <lordievader> This is why 3rd party repos can be a tricky thing, some debs might be compiled against different versions of libs. And in most cases Ubuntu doesn't support running multiple versions of the same lib.
[10:20] <cff> lordievader: yes http://paste.kde.org/p1xqr6ekn/0pr6ps
[10:22] <lordievader> Might be remainder of when the 3rd party repo was around. Could you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy gcc binutils"
[10:22] <lordievader> !info gcc
[10:22] <lordievader> !info binutils
[10:24] <cff> lordievader: http://paste.kde.org/p5zn9awqj/xuujr6
[10:27] <cff> not sure what to do now
[10:27] <cff> except reinstall
[10:27] <lordievader> cff: Assuming here that those mirror thingies are just that. Where does "sudo apt-get install gcc" get you?
[10:59] <cff> lordievader: http://paste.kde.org/p0zfxmml2/gck5mj
[11:00] <lordievader> cff: This is really strange. I get the feeling it is easier to just reinstall that to try and fix this mess.
[11:05] <cff> lordievader: right
[11:16] <apachelogger> lordievader: FWIW, apt-get can be made more verbose with -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true
[11:16] <apachelogger> that usually helps with finding out why things are being blocked
[11:17] <lordievader> apachelogger: Ok, got to remember that one. Thanks :)
[11:25] <cff> lordievader: With aptitude I have this http://paste.kde.org/p2etakigw/y2hafs
[11:27] <cff> lordievader: I'm going to try "n" then accept the solution to downgrade packages
[11:27] <lordievader> So the question is why does it want an older version of the dependencies?
[11:28] <cff> lordievader: because I've had gcc toolchain repo
[11:29] <cff> i.e.e ubuntu-toolchain-r
[11:32] <cff> ?info gcc
[11:32] <cff> lordievader: what's the command to see the gcc version in kubuntu 13.10 ?
[11:32] <cff> of the irc bot
[11:32] <lordievader> !info gcc
[11:33] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:34] <cff> now lets try to install nvidia drivers
[11:35] <lordievader> cff: Have you fixed your gcc issue?
[11:35] <cff> lordievader: yes, it downgrades to 4.8.1
[11:35] <cff> *downgraded
[11:36] <lordievader> Ah, back to the Saucy current.
[12:10] <Mamarok> using 13.10 here with KDE .12.2_ for some strange reason I don't see a spellchecker, despite it being installed. I have the system set to English and also added German and French, but only the spellchecker for English and French appear in the settings. Any ideas?
[12:10] <Mamarok> KDE 4.12.2*
[12:18] <cff> lordievader: now I have skype unment dependecies, i.e. skype-bin
[12:19] <lordievader> cff: Hehe, will it ever end. Try: sudo apt-get install -f
[12:19] <cff> lordievader: it did a setup for 3 things
[12:21] <Walex2> Mamarok: there are several spell checking packages, and you got to install the "right" one, the one you have chosen
[12:22] <cff> lordievader: this is the exact problem I have http://askubuntu.com/questions/407921/how-to-install-skype-on-64bit-ubuntu-13-10-broken-dependencies
[12:22] <Walex2> Mamarok: alternatively you need to logout and login again perhaps. Or check the locale.
[12:23] <Mamarok> Walex2: I already did all this, I have installed pretty much all KDE packages for German, so Kate should see that. Logged in and out again, nothing
[12:23] <Mamarok> even in the system settings -> Locale I don't see German in the Spell checker list, only English and French
[12:24] <Mamarok> I guess there is not a single German language package I didn't install, except for the hunspell ones
[12:24] <lordievader> cff: Have you tried the first answer? http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-skype-in-ubuntu-12-04precise.html
[12:25] <Mamarok> cff: there is no 64bit package for Skype on Linux AFAIK, I have a 32bit one here, works fine
[12:25] <Walex2> Mamarok: the spell checker is not part of KDE...
[12:25] <cff> lordievader: http://paste.kde.org/phipotpus/5k2ue3
[12:25] <lordievader> The 12.04 deb package from the Skype site is multi-arch.
[12:25] <Mamarok> Walex2:read again, I have all those packages installed already, as I said above :)
[12:26] <lordievader> cff: That is not a good solution...
[12:26] <cff> lordievader: indeed
[12:27] <lordievader> cff: Go to http://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-computer/ select 12.04 multi arch and install the deb.
[12:27]  * Mamarok installs the hunspell ones as well, maybe that helps
[12:28] <Mamarok> hm, apparently that conflicts with the myspell ones
[12:29] <cff> lordievader: same problem, unmet dependencies, I think I need to downgrade Qt
[12:30] <lordievader> Didn't Skype use gtk? (Not sure here, haven't installed it in a while)
[12:30] <cff> lordievader: http://paste.kde.org/p0rzukaal/z8upgi
[12:30] <cff> lordievader: no, it uses Qt
[12:30] <lordievader> I stand corrected.
[12:31] <lordievader> cff: Now try running "sudo apt-get install -f" again.
[12:34] <cff> lordievader: http://paste.kde.org/pih16nmtl/6kkby1
[12:34] <cff> it tries to uninstall skype
[12:37] <lordievader> cff: That might very well be the skype from the repos. Just for clarity do you have a 64bit install or a 32bit one?
[12:37] <cff> 64 bit one
[12:37] <cff>  libxcb1 : Breaks: libxcb1:i386 (!= 1.10-2ubuntu1~xedgers~saucy1) but 1.9.1-3ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[12:37] <cff> there are still packages left from xedgers
[12:37] <cff> repository
[12:38] <lordievader> Ugh xorg edgers... This is one of the reasons I do not recommend using that repo.
[12:38] <ikonia> it's very very hit and miss
[12:38] <Mamarok> as said above: there currently iss no working 64bit version for Skype on Linux, use the 32bit one
[12:38] <Mamarok> is*
[12:40] <cff> lordievader: right, but ppa-purge doesn't work for it
[12:40] <ikonia> it should do, but PPA purge is just a script, so it can fail
[12:42] <ikonia> or hit complications it can't deal with as it basically purges and trys to re-install from main, it can get blocked
[12:42] <cff> Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: xorg-edgers ppa
[12:42] <cff> I've tried https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ppa-purge/+bug/892886/comments/7
[12:43] <ikonia> cff: have you disabled the PPA ?
[12:44] <cff> ikonia: yes
[12:44] <ikonia> then how do you expect it to get the package list ?
[12:44] <cff> ikonia: enable it and try again?
[12:45] <cff> ikonia: the files are still there...
[12:45] <ikonia> the package list isn't
[12:45] <ikonia> as that's on the repo
[12:45] <ikonia> and how will it know the files/dependnecies/etc
[12:45] <ikonia> the repo needs to be enabled to get the info on the repo
[12:45] <jdoles> Why does Kubuntu as a separate brand exist?
[12:45] <ikonia> it works in a different way than ubuntu
[12:46] <ikonia> controlled by a different group
[12:46] <jdoles> Do you actually fix Kubuntu specific bugs?
[12:46] <jdoles> Or rather, KDE bugs.
[12:46] <ikonia> they do fix bugs specific to kubuntu - but if it's the ubuntu core base that kde is built on then it will get fed into ubuntu to fix
[12:46] <jdoles> I for example don't like to have to change from KDE4 to something else, only because of memory leaks.
[12:47] <ikonia> what ?
[12:47] <jdoles> It is *impossible* to run on 8GB of RAM (without swap) for more than one month.
[12:48] <jdoles> kded uses a ton of memory (GBs and growing infinitely).
[12:48] <ikonia> ??? where did that come from, you just asked why kubuntu as a project existed ???
[12:48] <ikonia> now you've just jumped to a random problem you are having???
[12:48] <jdoles> ikonia: the jump is not that great.
[12:48] <ikonia> it's pretty random
[12:49] <jdoles> Allow me to explain: if one takes true ownership of a project, bugs *are* fixed.
[12:49] <jdoles> Between 4.8 and 4.12 I have seen some terrible crashes fixed, but this particular problem is years old.
[12:49] <ikonia> jdoles: is the problem with kubuntu or kde
[12:50] <jdoles> ikonia: it is on Kubuntu, but likely originates in KDE.
[12:50] <jdoles> People say it is related to the powermanager,  but I am not even running that service.
[12:50] <cff> canonical-qt5-edgers ppa is enable but ppa-purge gives Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: canonical-qt5-edgers ppa
[12:51] <ikonia> cff: is that ppa/host up
[12:51] <ikonia> jdoles: ok, so you can't expect kubuntu to fix kde over night, they may have logged bugs, but they don't fix/maintain kde
[12:51] <ikonia> jdoles: maybe try to participate in the project to help understand where the problem is and then you can work with kubuntu, or kde upstream if required to filter the fix down the projects
[12:51] <cff> yes, http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper/ubuntu/
[12:52] <cff> ikonia: update responds
[12:52] <ikonia> cff: maybe the script is just failing then
[12:52] <ikonia> cff: as I said, it's a script, it's not perfect.
[12:53] <cff> or maybe I'm not calling it correctly
[12:53] <cff> I do this sudo ppa-purge ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/ppa
[12:53] <ikonia> do you need /ppa on the end ?
[12:53] <ikonia> I've not got the syntax here
[12:57] <BluesKaj> cff, why not just remove the ppa from /etc/apt/sources.list.d and muon , then update
[12:57] <ikonia> BluesKaj: because it won't remove the packages that have already been installed
[12:58] <ikonia> and if won't update until the conflicts created by the PPA are gone
[13:01] <cff> strange, as per https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-proper , the ppa is ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper
[13:01] <BluesKaj> ppa purge takes out the installed packages too? , that's new to me
[13:04] <rkatichev> бНОПНЯ
[13:05] <cff> ikonia: I think I found the culprit
[13:07] <cff> or not
[13:07] <ikonia> explain
[13:08] <cff> I've removed the existing qt edgers repo, then I've add-apt-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper ; apt-get update ; ppa-purge ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper
[13:08] <cff> same outcome
[13:08] <cff> Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: canonical-qt5-edgers qt5-proper
[13:09] <cff> but something is wrong
[13:09] <cff> I can't see edgers in update
[13:11] <cff> http://paste.kde.org/p6fkqao77/1wguh4
[13:12] <cff> I have the repo enabled at /etc/apt/sources.list.d/canonical-qt5-edgers-qt5-proper-saucy.list
[13:12] <cff> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper/ubuntu saucy main
[14:30] <cff> Why is the  #node.js channel empty?
[14:30] <cff> Koversation fail ?
[15:00] <cff> Whenever I try to install a VirtualBox VM with Kubuntu on  and press install my PC restarts
[15:00] <cff> whaaat
[15:44] <dcorbin_> I've had strange thing happen with recent upgrade...When ever I open a pidgin window, I get a pop up 'window' on the top-left side of the screen that appears to be tied to the "devices notifier".  It's blank other than "No devices available" and a separator bar.  The USB icon shows up in the System Tray, and click on it make the window go away.  Very annoying.  Any suggestions for fixing this problem?
[19:19] <rohan> apachelogger: hey, are you around?
[20:07] <pietro10> Is there a preferred way to set up Kubuntu as a SMB server? I want to share down to a VM. Thanks.
[20:23] <lordievader> pietro10: If the VM is on the same machine I'd use NFS.
[20:25] <pietro10> lordievader: thanks
[20:38] <pietro10> lordievader: is there a way I can debug to see what is trying to connect to the server
[20:38] <lordievader> pietro10: Depends largely on the protocol/program you use.
[20:40] <pietro10> lordievader: NFS using kubuntu as the host and the insturctions on the ubuntu wiki (which is command line)
[20:40] <lordievader> pietro10: Ah, the nfs server logs to /var/log/syslog IIRC
[20:43] <pietro10> oh I was connecting wrong
[20:43] <pietro10> er
[20:43] <pietro10> specifying import path wrong
[20:44] <pietro10> now I just need the port that nfs runs on
[20:44] <lordievader> pietro10: That is quite a problem. NFS doesn't use a static port.
[20:44] <pietro10> oh
[20:45] <pietro10> because I'm seeing messages like
[20:45] <pietro10> Feb 27 15:44:57 pietro-laptop rpc.mountd[4950]: refused mount request from 127.0.0.1 for /home/pietro/src/wingo (/home/pietro/src/wingo): illegal port 55568
[20:45] <philip> I have just installed 13.10 from a live cd on an old machine.  When asked to reboot it hangs on the Kubuntu splash screen.  Any hints?
[20:45] <pietro10> (port number changes each time)
[20:45] <lordievader> pietro10: Exactly dynamic ports.
[20:46] <lordievader> pietro10: Have you made a /etc/exports and given the client access?
[20:46] <pietro10> yes
[20:46] <pietro10> cmd: /home/pietro/src/wingo	127.0.0.1(rw,sync,no_root_squash)
[20:47] <lordievader> pietro10: And restarted the nfs daemon after you made the change?
[20:49] <pietro10> I think (made a few other IP test changes, don't rmeember which I restarted)
[20:49] <pietro10> let me try again
[20:49] <pietro10> yep
[20:49] <pietro10> still no go
[20:50] <gomiboy> pietro10: you have to add "insecure" to /etc/exports options and then run exportfs -r
[20:50] <pietro10> ok
[20:51] <pietro10> awesome, thanks both of you
[21:00] <philip> I have just installed 13.10 from a live cd on an old machine.  When asked to reboot it hangs on the Kubuntu splash screen.  Any hints?
[21:10] <falsobuio> hello to all. there are 2 folders in my home directory that i cannot open them or even when i hover over them pc lags. i tried to open the folder via terminal. then the terminal stuck for a while and saw some irrelevant rows appearing. then i made an sudo rm -r -f /path
[21:10] <falsobuio> but  terminal is processing and not responding still plus that pc lags from time to time.
[21:59] <ustanak> Hi, I am running Kubuntu on an HD display(Full 1080p). Things look small, and webpages in firefox I have to enlarge them with "CTRL +". In windows there is in option to make everything look bigger, which fixes Icons, Fonts, Webpages and everything. Is there some similar Option for KDE/Kubuntu So I don't have to fix everything seperately each time?
[22:00] <soee> increase fonts
[22:01] <soee> or chande fonts DPI
[22:04] <ustanak> As I said, It's not only about the fonts. It's about the Icons, Webpages,Fonts, Panel, Everything looks smaller.
[23:24] <esc> hi, i need a plasmoid for showing os updates
[23:24] <esc> i think there was something on kubuntu by default some versions ago
[23:24] <esc> but now there isn't
[23:25] <esc> so my GF doesn't install updates
[23:26] <esc> ideally, I would want something that is compatible with muon, which seems to be the kubuntu default package manager
[23:42] <esc> um, hello?