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=== ianorlintrusty is now known as ianorlin
phil42_someone actually said something03:47
williamHello are the wireless drivers available when you install lubuntu03:57
williamfor laptops03:58
Unit193william: Depends what card you have, generally though.04:07
ianorlinyou can find out if you are on linux usually with lspci and then reading through the output04:08
godstand2_can the Iphone connect to lubuntu and is there a program that is like itunes for it ?13:44
dk__is it true that Lubuntu 14.04 won't offer Openbox session at the time of login?13:50
holsteingodstand2_: nothing is preventing the iphone from connecting14:20
holsteinthe "better" question is, will the ihpone support connecting to ubuntu14:21
holsteinyou can try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpxF9gzZeMY14:22
holsteinyou can always ask apple, who should ideally be the ones supporting this.. since they are welcome and encouraged to with the information that is freely available14:22
godstand2_Thanks got abunch going on14:25
godstand2_how do i stop the screen from going blank when not useing  computer14:26
holsteingodstand2_: i use the settings menu.. but, that too can be affected by driver support for specific hardware14:26
godstand2_or do screen saver14:26
godstand2_where is setting menu14:27
holsteingodstand2_: in the menu14:28
shinemwit's called preferences on my menu14:28
holsteinhttp://unsolicitedbutoffered.blogspot.com/2012/12/lubuntu-basics-power-management-and.html14:29
godstand2_i did the power management settings still goes blank after a few minutes14:29
holsteingodstand2_: my suggestion would be, try another live CD, such as xubuntu, which will offer different management software to try without changing your current setup14:30
holsteinif xubuntu works as expected, then you can look and see what xubuntu is using, and consider either living with the "problem" as a trade-off for "lightness", or add what xubuntu is using to lubuntu14:31
holsteinif the issue is the same in xubuntu, then, its likely a driver support issue.. which, you can then see if there are proprietary drivers for you hardware to try14:31
godstand2_is there screen savers for lubuntu14:32
holsteingodstand2_: lubuntu is ubuntu14:33
holsteingodstand2_: lubuntu and ubuntu have screensavers.. in the menu is where i set those14:33
holsteingodstand2_: if they are not working, you can change to "heavier" or larger ones.. such as the main ones from ubuntu/xubuntu or whatever from the repos or whatever you choose14:34
godstand2_ok thanks i like lubuntu's speed though real nice!!14:35
=== shinemw is now known as shiner
holsteingodstand2_: with everthing, there is usually a trade-off, or compromise14:36
godstand2_i have a presario laptop what would be a good linux for it14:38
holsteingodstand2_: ideally, whatever the manufacturer supports14:38
holsteingodstand2_: since they dont, officially, or unofficially.. the "good" one will be whatever you choose to and have the ability to support14:39
holsteingodstand2_: try whatever you are interested in live on the unit and see about hardware support, etc14:39
holsteinlubuntu is a great choice14:39
godstand2_but some times when i do the live it works fine but after install it sucks unbuntu,kubuntu,zorin, linuxmint,mepis or any one of them some able to install wifi drivers others got to use ethernet   what ever i use14:41
godstand2_i have all these disks i have made and kinda wondering what would still be better red hat or susie14:43
godstand2_they seem so hard to figure out to install them Redhat or susie are not live14:44
godstand2_well i guess i keep looking14:46
holsteingodstand2_: the issue is likely a proprietary driver14:46
holsteinim guessing broadcom14:46
holstein!broadcom14:46
ubottuHelp with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx14:46
holsteinthe way we do it in linux is really pretty odd14:47
holsteinits the only time you would ever expect, as an end user, for the operating system to support the hardware14:47
holsteinthe fact is, linux is open.. and freely available to *everyone*.. if the manufacturer of your hardware chooses, they can provide support for linux for you14:47
holsteinotherwise, what is factually, actually happening is.. you are choosing to do something the manufacturer didnt promise you support for14:48
godstand2_thats true but most do not they are microsoft or mac folks14:48
holsteinthey say, basically, "you run windows, which we provide you for free, and we will provide you support for windows"14:49
holsteinand you are saying "no thanks, i will run linux, and provide my own support14:49
holsteinbut, you are likely not up for writing drivers, and even if you were, you may or may not be given access to the necessary information from the manufacturer for the hardware14:50
holsteingodstand2_: the fact that the drivers are written for microsfoft or mac is really what im talking about14:50
holsteingodstand2_: they can write them for *anything*.. and are welcome and encouraged and able to write them for linux14:50
holsteinand many do.. but the linux kernel is not allowed to include many drivers do to licensing14:51
holsteinand ubuntu is not allowed to distribute14:51
godstand2_ya i know kinda sucks14:51
holsteingodstand2_: sure... but to address the actual problem, and identify it, is key14:51
godstand2_cause linux is pretty good14:52
godstand2_even with the driver problems the software is great14:52
holsteinotherwise, one is frustrated for linux for not doing something that is really not the responsibiliy of linux14:54
holsteinor any operation system14:54
holsteinits just like expecting windows or OSX to support hardware that they are not responsible for creating or supporting14:54
shinerHey, no hurry on a reply to this :) is the next lubuntu getting released 14.04 or14.10?14:54
holsteinthat being said, there is a *great* support community in linux,a nd likely many drivers available14:54
holsteinshiner: lubuntu *is* ubuntu14:55
holstein!14.04 | shiner14:55
ubottushiner: Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) will be the 20th release of Ubuntu.  See the announcement at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1295 for more info. support in #ubuntu+114:55
godstand2_I will keep looking thanks for the help holstein gota go now14:55
holsteinshiner: 14.04 is released in april.. april is the .04.. 4th month.. .10 will be in october. the 10th month14:56
shinerah, fantastic, always wondered how they figured out the numbers, is it getting beta tested just now?14:56
holsteinshiner: the volunteers are doing necesarry testing14:58
holsteinhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ if you are interested in contributing14:58
holsteinits challenging for the smaller teams to get the necessary tests before the release14:58
shinerthat's what i was hopping for, thank you holstein, I used to beta test for symbian, and I mis it :)14:59
claude_Hello people!16:30
claude_Is anybody here? Seems silent :)16:31
phillwclaude_: people lurk :) #lubuntu-offtopic is for chat18:00
=== phil42_ is now known as Phil42
zen_monkeyHi there, i've just tried 13.10 from a usb stick and am having some "not so shinny" results... i can't use the live mode and when attempted to just install got video issues at first, and a second chance (reboot) got it right19:12
zen_monkeywent through the installation updating from the net while at it19:12
zen_monkeybut after rebooting it doesn't boot, just stops on the lubuntu splash...19:13
calime8282hello21:02
calime8282i'm not able to install lubu21:02
calime8282maybe my pc is broken?21:02
wxlcalime8282: prolly not. what's the symptoms?21:04
calime8282doesn work21:04
wxlyou have to help me help you, pal. i need some specific information to know what exact steps you have taken and what the exact results have been. beyond that all i can give you is try again.21:05
calime8282after install at reboot it's blocked at the lubuntu screen21:05
wxlwere yyou earlier saying you were having video issues?21:06
calime8282and if i boot by cd and i want only try lubu it's always blocked21:06
wxlwhen you're in "blocked mode," will htiting ctrl-alt-f1 get you to a login? (you can get ctrl-alt-f7 to get back)21:07
calime8282now i try wait21:08
calime8282i've done it, first login then all black21:10
calime8282doesn't work21:10
wxlso login to the login and use pastebin to give me the results of the lspci command21:12
wxlyou must be having some sort of video issues21:12
wxlthe thing is certainly not frozen21:12
calime8282the screen is all black21:19
calime8282disappears immediately written log21:19
wxlso try restarting and hold down shift which will get you to the grub menu. edit the command and right before the "quiet splash" part, add "video=ofonly" and see if that doesn't help21:20
wxlcalime8282: ↑21:27
calime8282nothing21:33
calime8282:(21:33
calime8282the screen is always black21:34
calime8282grub menu doesn't appear21:34
wxljust keep hitting shift until it does21:34
wxlit will21:34
wxlafter you reboot of course21:34
calime8282now i try21:35
calime8282wxl i've done reboot, the i have put on it cd live, then i've clicked rty lubu, but after the log screen, there's written spurius response and then the screen is black and blocked :(21:43
wxlcalime8282: oh you're on a live set up. that screen where you select try lubuntu is the grub menu. it should have an edit option.21:44
holsteincalime8282: i assure you, its not being "blocked"21:44
holstein!nomodeset | calime828221:44
ubottucalime8282: A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter21:44
calime8282so i must choose nomodeset?21:45
calime8282ok21:45
holsteincalime8282: i didnt say "must"21:45
holsteincalime8282: i suggested a troubleshooting step you are welcome to try, that, when i have "black screen" boots, typically addresses the issues with hardware21:46
wxlcalime8282: you should try. and if that doesn't work, try mmy suggestion21:46
holsteinassuming its graphics card support related, which is seems.. you can also just install with another iso, and put vesa xorg.conf in place21:46
holsteinhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=127020921:47
holstein!mini21:47
ubottuThe Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want.  The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD21:47
holstein^ you can use a mini iso to install in that state21:47
calime8282thanks holstein21:55
calime8282sorry holstein i'm a beginner, i don't know how to put vesa in xorg21:56
calime8282:(21:56
wxlso just do the modeset thing, calime828221:56
holsteincalime8282: ask a question21:56
holsteincalime8282: above is a statement.. ."i dont know how to.."21:57
holsteincalime8282: you just ask.. "how do i put that in xorg?"21:57
wxlcalime8282: all you have to do is get to that select menu, look for the command to edit the options, and add in the option21:57
holsteinand i can say, refer to the link i gave, where it suggests copy pasting that in21:57
wxlcalime8282: honestly while holstein is right, as a beginner, it's probably asking too much out of you21:57
holsteinsure.. but the hardware vendor is not going to support it21:58
holsteinim just being realistic.. and have no intentions of being combative21:58
calime8282in this old pc puppylinux works21:58
wxlholstein: not suggesting as such :)21:58
wxlcalime8282: all linucies are not the same (especially when it cmoes to puppy)21:58
holsteinits challenging, regardless21:59
holsteinmachines come from a company preset up and tested to run windows.. basically, a user has to say "thats ok, i'll put all that same effort into supporting the hardware in linux myself"21:59
holsteinand sometimes, it doesnt come easy21:59
holsteini had some sis graphics i never got working.. and a via chip that was a pain22:03
holsteinbut, identifying what the issue is is realy the first step22:03
wxlyeah i had a problem with a sis recently22:03
holsteinwxl: graphics?22:04
holsteinwxl: did you resolve the issue in any way?22:04
wxlholstein: yep. word i got was that i could get it going with an xorg.conf, but just barely. considering this was part of implementing a standard desktop at work, i wasn't going to go there and just grabbed an external we had laying around.22:04
holsteinyup.. thats what i did as well22:04
wxlholstein: Jordan_U on #ubuntu told me that, so you might want to talk to him about his xorg.conf if you're interested. also OerHeks suggested there's an sis driver in this ppa  https://launchpad.net/~dtl131/+archive/mediahacks22:06
calime8282guys i must go bye see you tmorrow22:06
calime8282thanks for all22:06
holsteinwxl: tbh, id have to dig up the hardware.. i think i might have gave it away22:07
holsteinwxl: or just started running it headless somewhere22:07
wxlholstein: that's the way to do it ;)22:07
holsteini went through this "if it doesnt support the operating system i choose to use, then its not staying around" stage22:08
holsteinim still in that stage, mostly22:08
wxlyeah i'm with you on that22:08
wxli just got a new lenovo and i've heard i may have some wifi issues22:08
wxli'm crossing my fingers22:08
holsteinwxl: im stockpiling intel netbooks :)22:08
wxlhehehe22:09
wxli think i should make my own distro22:09
holsteindo it!22:09
wxlLubuntustudio22:09
wxlcuz that's esentially what i end up making22:09
wxllubuntu + lots of a/v stuff22:10
holsteinwxl: do you install pulse?22:10
* wxl points over at offtopic22:10
Waka_Flocka_Flamanyone know how i can install pcmanfm 1.2 on 13.10?22:35
holstein!Info pcmanfm22:37
wxlhm22:37
wxl!info pcmanfm22:38
ubottupcmanfm (source: pcmanfm): extremely fast and lightweight file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.2-0ubuntu1 (saucy), package size 178 kB, installed size 1455 kB22:38
wxlneeds dropcase it seems22:38
* holstein looks for pps22:39
holsteinppa*22:39
Waka_Flocka_Flamyeah i also checked the ppa page and 1.2 is only avail for trusty22:39
claude_anybody can't help me resolving an issue that can't be resolved? I'm not the only one that can't figure it out :O22:39
wxlWaka_Flocka_Flam: buid it yourself22:40
wxlclaude_: if it can't be resolved, probably not ;)22:40
Waka_Flocka_Flamwxl: do i have to build the other 4 libfm packages too?22:40
claude_Several people tried to help but without success22:40
wxlWaka_Flocka_Flam: most likely22:40
Waka_Flocka_Flamok22:40
holsteinclaude_: just ask.. you are not asking a question22:40
claude_well... here is the issue. 4 times out of 5, I the boot process hangs right after the swap file is created22:40
holsteinclaude_: if the issue cant be resolved, then thats it22:40
holsteinclaude_: disable swap and test22:41
claude_when I boot into recovery mode, everything is fine22:41
claude_[   13.201589] Adding 8388604k swap on /dev/sda1.  Priority:-1 extents:1 across:8388604k22:41
claude_[   13.210246] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready22:41
claude_[   13.279065] EXT4-fs (sda2): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro22:41
holsteinclaude_: there is not "swap file being created".. its not a page file like in windows.. its a swap partition22:41
holstein!paste | claude_22:41
ubottuclaude_: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.22:41
claude_oh yeah sorry, swap partition22:41
claude_its mounted as sda1 too... I know its not what most people do, maybe this can cause the issue22:42
holsteinclaude_: sure.. the partition is not being created either.. it could be mounting.. so try not mounting it.. could be a bad hard drive causing the issue22:42
* wxl nods22:42
wxlholstein: just uncomment it in /etc/fstab and reboot and see what happens22:42
holsteinwont hurt22:43
wxlthen you could probably do a swapfile on sda2 and no one would know the difference22:43
claude_oh unmouting what exactly? sda1 ?22:43
claude_sda2 is the root partition. sda1 is the swap one22:43
holsteinclaude_: do whatever tests you want to confirm your hypothesis22:43
claude_not unmounting but I meant uncommenting22:43
Waka_Flocka_Flamdo i download the orig tarball from launchpad?22:43
wxlclaude_: the sda1/swap line22:44
claude_ok22:44
wxlWaka_Flocka_Flam: i'd probably go straight to the lxde sources on erm where are they at again?22:44
holsteinWaka_Flocka_Flam: you can try.. what would i do? run 14.04, or get the .deb's from 14.04 or try building, or try living without the latest version22:44
wxlWaka_Flocka_Flam: i agree with holstein's idea of using 14.0422:44
Waka_Flocka_Flamyeah then i would have to wait22:44
holsteinWaka_Flocka_Flam: wait for what?22:45
claude_thanks I will try that out22:45
Waka_Flocka_Flamfor 14.0422:45
Waka_Flocka_Flami only download final22:45
Waka_Flocka_Flamno beta/alphas22:45
holsteinWaka_Flocka_Flam: then, see other options above22:45
claude_but I dont have much ram so I think that I will have to do something regarding that swap partition anyway, otherwise I may have some memory problems22:45
holsteinWaka_Flocka_Flam: though, what you are trying to do can cause arguably more breakage22:45
wxlWaka_Flocka_Flam: then go to sourceforge for the current code for pcmanfm and related dependencies22:46
holsteinWaka_Flocka_Flam: given the choice between running 13.10 with a bunch of out of repo apps, or 14.04 at this stage, i would do 14.0422:46
wxlclaude_: probably won't be an issue. i doubt you're going to have a kernel panic. jus tmight be slow when you get in. would be a good test. how much do you have?22:46
Waka_Flocka_Flamyeah reason is because of my limited connection22:46
holsteinWaka_Flocka_Flam: you'll download it at some point22:47
wxlWaka_Flocka_Flam: so go down to the coffee shop XD22:47
Waka_Flocka_Flamnot on this connection22:47
claude_I have 2 GB... actually 256 MB is used by the onboard Geforce card22:47
wxlWaka_Flocka_Flam: torrent it then. it'll cmoe eventually and you can stop and go as you like.22:47
wxlclaude_: pffht, you're fine. browsing in chromium might suck, but beyond that you're fine.22:47
Waka_Flocka_Flamwxl: i have a fam member that tethers his 4g connection22:48
wxlclaude_: i'm running on a gig22:48
Waka_Flocka_Flamthats what i do my big downloads on22:48
claude_haha yeah... I use Google chrome... with lots of tab open, this can consumme some unbelievable amount of ram sometimes22:48
wxlWaka_Flocka_Flam: but you can start it on one connection and finish it on another22:48
claude_I will try your trick anyway and see what's going to happen and I could report back here22:48
wxlclaude_: 512 is minimum and that's really rough. life is painful with that. but you don't have that problem.22:48
claude_Are you really active in this channel?22:48
wxlWaka_Flocka_Flam: that's the joy of torrents22:48
Waka_Flocka_Flamthere isnt much need for that22:48
Waka_Flocka_Flamand downthemall does the same thing22:49
wxlclaude_: i'm always here and if i'm busy and can't respond there's plenty of other wonderful folks22:49
claude_awesome! Thanks a lot!22:49
wxlWaka_Flocka_Flam: so there you go. start downloading. :) i mean, building is no simple task, that's for sure.22:49
claude_oh oops just before I go22:49
claude_I forgot to say... this is happening with Lubuntu 12.04... but not with 13.04 or 13.10 (I installed 12.04 to see if I would have the same kind of bugs that the most recent versions)22:50
Waka_Flocka_Flamive built a app before, once, midori22:50
wxlclaude_: with swap on sda1?22:50
claude_other than that, lubuntu 12.04 is rock solid :)22:50
claude_sda1 as swap was used only with v13.1022:51
* wxl is confused22:51
wxland that's the one you're having the problem with?22:51
claude_I could try... after uncommenting the line I have to uncomment, to use for example sda3 as the swap parition instead of sda122:52
wxlor use a swap file22:52
wxli like swapfiles22:52
wxlthere's no need to put swap on a separate partition imho22:52
wxlmakes more sense to put /tmp and /var in separate partitions, honestly22:52
claude_I'm now on Lubuntu 12.0422:52
wxlwell i guess we'll figure it out when you come back :)22:53
claude_"there's no need to put swap on a separate partition imho"         Oh really?    Is there any tutorials showing how to create a swipe file and to use it instead of using a swap partition? Sorry I'm not ULTRA new to Linux but I'm not experienced either22:53
wxlyep22:53
wxli think it's on the standard swap page22:54
claude_wxl: yep, I'll go with your recommendation first22:54
wxllet's see what we can find22:54
wxl!swapfile22:54
wxlnope22:54
wxl!swap22:54
ubottuswap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info22:54
wxlthat page has info on swapfiles22:54
claude_ok great I will bookmark it22:54
wxlit also has lots of info that will help you make better judgement about swap and learn how to work with it, turn it off and on, etc.22:54
Waka_Flocka_Flamwxl: 14.04 it is22:55
wxlWaka_Flocka_Flam: :)22:55
Waka_Flocka_Flampackages outdated22:55
wxlclaude_: btw the reason i say to put /tmp and /var in separate partitions is because /var does logs and /tmp can be a temporary storage space and either of them can grow out of control and fill up your whole partition22:55
wxlwhile unlikely, it's a nice protection22:56
claude_oh thanks for that additional advice22:56
claude_I will remember it22:56
wxlnp22:56
claude_taking notes :D22:56
claude_alright I will do my homework now, will come back later :) See you, thanks again22:56
wxltake care22:56
claude_Hey wxl!23:43
wxlclaude_: good news?23:43
claude_I might as well go in private with you if you don't mind? Or I can stay here too...23:43
claude_nop23:43
wxlnaw just stay here23:43
claude_But I saw something different23:43
wxleverything here is logged and is searchable so it's often good for other folks with similar issues23:43
claude_They say to use http://paste.ubuntu.com when we want to paste text here23:43
claude_I dont understand that?23:44
wxlwell some of us are on a tno of channels23:44
claude_Oh and I have made a video... I could upload it somewhere and you would see in REAL time what is happening23:44
wxlwe can't possibly be expect to deal with a flood if output23:44
wxlif you have a line, that's oen thing, but several lines should go there23:44
claude_yeah I have a couple of lines23:45
wxlthen it will give a link that you can send here23:45
wxlthere's also a program called pastebinit that's good for using int erminal23:46
wxl!pastebinit23:46
ubottupastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com23:46
claude_http://paste.ubuntu.com/7007779/23:47
claude_thats a part of my dmesg.0 log file23:48
claude_I have dmesg too... I'm assuming that dmesg.0 is the file that is created for a previous boot. It is in /var/log23:48
wxlnothing surprising there per se23:49
wxldmesg should be before dmesg.023:49
claude_I think I will upload my video in youtube23:49
claude_Will be even better23:49
wxlbtw since you use xchat, you can do things like /exec -o cat /var/log/syslog | pastebinit23:50
wxlit will paste the results here :)23:50
DronbergLXDE died?23:50
wxlanyways that output is not surprising23:50
wxludev is a normal part of the system23:50
wxlthe link down just means your network isn't up23:50
claude_but sda2 that is REmounted?23:51
wxlthe usb thing probably means you have some usb device connected23:51
wxlnot surprising23:51
claude_yep I have a 500GB USB hard drive23:51
wxli have that same thing on my dmesg23:51
wxland everything works fine for me :)23:51
claude_ok I will show you the video that I've shot I think... I think this gonna help a lot letting you know where exactly the system hangs when it does23:51
wxli suspect that's after an fsck23:51
claude_so basically... now I can chat here because this was the 5th time that I tried to boot lol23:52
wxlko23:52
claude_I tried to boot in recovery mode and I wasnt able to wow lol23:52
DronbergAnd old LXDE faster new LXDEQT?23:52
claude_ok I will upload the video in youtube now23:52
wxlbrb23:52

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