[03:47] <phil42_> someone actually said something
[03:57] <william> Hello are the wireless drivers available when you install lubuntu
[03:58] <william> for laptops
[04:07] <Unit193> william: Depends what card you have, generally though.
[04:08] <ianorlin> you can find out if you are on linux usually with lspci and then reading through the output
[13:44] <godstand2_> can the Iphone connect to lubuntu and is there a program that is like itunes for it ?
[13:50] <dk__> is it true that Lubuntu 14.04 won't offer Openbox session at the time of login?
[14:20] <holstein> godstand2_: nothing is preventing the iphone from connecting
[14:21] <holstein> the "better" question is, will the ihpone support connecting to ubuntu
[14:22] <holstein> you can try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpxF9gzZeMY
[14:22] <holstein> you can always ask apple, who should ideally be the ones supporting this.. since they are welcome and encouraged to with the information that is freely available
[14:25] <godstand2_> Thanks got abunch going on
[14:26] <godstand2_> how do i stop the screen from going blank when not useing  computer
[14:26] <holstein> godstand2_: i use the settings menu.. but, that too can be affected by driver support for specific hardware
[14:26] <godstand2_> or do screen saver
[14:27] <godstand2_> where is setting menu
[14:28] <holstein> godstand2_: in the menu
[14:28] <shinemw> it's called preferences on my menu
[14:29] <holstein> http://unsolicitedbutoffered.blogspot.com/2012/12/lubuntu-basics-power-management-and.html
[14:29] <godstand2_> i did the power management settings still goes blank after a few minutes
[14:30] <holstein> godstand2_: my suggestion would be, try another live CD, such as xubuntu, which will offer different management software to try without changing your current setup
[14:31] <holstein> if xubuntu works as expected, then you can look and see what xubuntu is using, and consider either living with the "problem" as a trade-off for "lightness", or add what xubuntu is using to lubuntu
[14:31] <holstein> if the issue is the same in xubuntu, then, its likely a driver support issue.. which, you can then see if there are proprietary drivers for you hardware to try
[14:32] <godstand2_> is there screen savers for lubuntu
[14:33] <holstein> godstand2_: lubuntu is ubuntu
[14:33] <holstein> godstand2_: lubuntu and ubuntu have screensavers.. in the menu is where i set those
[14:34] <holstein> godstand2_: if they are not working, you can change to "heavier" or larger ones.. such as the main ones from ubuntu/xubuntu or whatever from the repos or whatever you choose
[14:35] <godstand2_> ok thanks i like lubuntu's speed though real nice!!
[14:36] <holstein> godstand2_: with everthing, there is usually a trade-off, or compromise
[14:38] <godstand2_> i have a presario laptop what would be a good linux for it
[14:38] <holstein> godstand2_: ideally, whatever the manufacturer supports
[14:39] <holstein> godstand2_: since they dont, officially, or unofficially.. the "good" one will be whatever you choose to and have the ability to support
[14:39] <holstein> godstand2_: try whatever you are interested in live on the unit and see about hardware support, etc
[14:39] <holstein> lubuntu is a great choice
[14:41] <godstand2_> but some times when i do the live it works fine but after install it sucks unbuntu,kubuntu,zorin, linuxmint,mepis or any one of them some able to install wifi drivers others got to use ethernet   what ever i use
[14:43] <godstand2_> i have all these disks i have made and kinda wondering what would still be better red hat or susie
[14:44] <godstand2_> they seem so hard to figure out to install them Redhat or susie are not live
[14:46] <godstand2_> well i guess i keep looking
[14:46] <holstein> godstand2_: the issue is likely a proprietary driver
[14:46] <holstein> im guessing broadcom
[14:46] <holstein> !broadcom
[14:47] <holstein> the way we do it in linux is really pretty odd
[14:47] <holstein> its the only time you would ever expect, as an end user, for the operating system to support the hardware
[14:47] <holstein> the fact is, linux is open.. and freely available to *everyone*.. if the manufacturer of your hardware chooses, they can provide support for linux for you
[14:48] <holstein> otherwise, what is factually, actually happening is.. you are choosing to do something the manufacturer didnt promise you support for
[14:48] <godstand2_> thats true but most do not they are microsoft or mac folks
[14:49] <holstein> they say, basically, "you run windows, which we provide you for free, and we will provide you support for windows"
[14:49] <holstein> and you are saying "no thanks, i will run linux, and provide my own support
[14:50] <holstein> but, you are likely not up for writing drivers, and even if you were, you may or may not be given access to the necessary information from the manufacturer for the hardware
[14:50] <holstein> godstand2_: the fact that the drivers are written for microsfoft or mac is really what im talking about
[14:50] <holstein> godstand2_: they can write them for *anything*.. and are welcome and encouraged and able to write them for linux
[14:51] <holstein> and many do.. but the linux kernel is not allowed to include many drivers do to licensing
[14:51] <holstein> and ubuntu is not allowed to distribute
[14:51] <godstand2_> ya i know kinda sucks
[14:51] <holstein> godstand2_: sure... but to address the actual problem, and identify it, is key
[14:52] <godstand2_> cause linux is pretty good
[14:52] <godstand2_> even with the driver problems the software is great
[14:54] <holstein> otherwise, one is frustrated for linux for not doing something that is really not the responsibiliy of linux
[14:54] <holstein> or any operation system
[14:54] <holstein> its just like expecting windows or OSX to support hardware that they are not responsible for creating or supporting
[14:54] <shiner> Hey, no hurry on a reply to this :) is the next lubuntu getting released 14.04 or14.10?
[14:54] <holstein> that being said, there is a *great* support community in linux,a nd likely many drivers available
[14:55] <holstein> shiner: lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[14:55] <holstein> !14.04 | shiner
[14:55] <godstand2_> I will keep looking thanks for the help holstein gota go now
[14:56] <holstein> shiner: 14.04 is released in april.. april is the .04.. 4th month.. .10 will be in october. the 10th month
[14:56] <shiner> ah, fantastic, always wondered how they figured out the numbers, is it getting beta tested just now?
[14:58] <holstein> shiner: the volunteers are doing necesarry testing
[14:58] <holstein> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ if you are interested in contributing
[14:58] <holstein> its challenging for the smaller teams to get the necessary tests before the release
[14:59] <shiner> that's what i was hopping for, thank you holstein, I used to beta test for symbian, and I mis it :)
[16:30] <claude_> Hello people!
[16:31] <claude_> Is anybody here? Seems silent :)
[18:00] <phillw> claude_: people lurk :) #lubuntu-offtopic is for chat
[19:12] <zen_monkey> Hi there, i've just tried 13.10 from a usb stick and am having some "not so shinny" results... i can't use the live mode and when attempted to just install got video issues at first, and a second chance (reboot) got it right
[19:12] <zen_monkey> went through the installation updating from the net while at it
[19:13] <zen_monkey> but after rebooting it doesn't boot, just stops on the lubuntu splash...
[21:02] <calime8282> hello
[21:02] <calime8282> i'm not able to install lubu
[21:02] <calime8282> maybe my pc is broken?
[21:04] <wxl> calime8282: prolly not. what's the symptoms?
[21:04] <calime8282> doesn work
[21:05] <wxl> you have to help me help you, pal. i need some specific information to know what exact steps you have taken and what the exact results have been. beyond that all i can give you is try again.
[21:05] <calime8282> after install at reboot it's blocked at the lubuntu screen
[21:06] <wxl> were yyou earlier saying you were having video issues?
[21:06] <calime8282> and if i boot by cd and i want only try lubu it's always blocked
[21:07] <wxl> when you're in "blocked mode," will htiting ctrl-alt-f1 get you to a login? (you can get ctrl-alt-f7 to get back)
[21:08] <calime8282> now i try wait
[21:10] <calime8282> i've done it, first login then all black
[21:10] <calime8282> doesn't work
[21:12] <wxl> so login to the login and use pastebin to give me the results of the lspci command
[21:12] <wxl> you must be having some sort of video issues
[21:12] <wxl> the thing is certainly not frozen
[21:19] <calime8282> the screen is all black
[21:19] <calime8282> disappears immediately written log
[21:20] <wxl> so try restarting and hold down shift which will get you to the grub menu. edit the command and right before the "quiet splash" part, add "video=ofonly" and see if that doesn't help
[21:27] <wxl> calime8282: ↑
[21:33] <calime8282> nothing
[21:33] <calime8282> :(
[21:34] <calime8282> the screen is always black
[21:34] <calime8282> grub menu doesn't appear
[21:34] <wxl> just keep hitting shift until it does
[21:34] <wxl> it will
[21:34] <wxl> after you reboot of course
[21:35] <calime8282> now i try
[21:43] <calime8282> wxl i've done reboot, the i have put on it cd live, then i've clicked rty lubu, but after the log screen, there's written spurius response and then the screen is black and blocked :(
[21:44] <wxl> calime8282: oh you're on a live set up. that screen where you select try lubuntu is the grub menu. it should have an edit option.
[21:44] <holstein> calime8282: i assure you, its not being "blocked"
[21:44] <holstein> !nomodeset | calime8282
[21:45] <calime8282> so i must choose nomodeset?
[21:45] <calime8282> ok
[21:45] <holstein> calime8282: i didnt say "must"
[21:46] <holstein> calime8282: i suggested a troubleshooting step you are welcome to try, that, when i have "black screen" boots, typically addresses the issues with hardware
[21:46] <wxl> calime8282: you should try. and if that doesn't work, try mmy suggestion
[21:46] <holstein> assuming its graphics card support related, which is seems.. you can also just install with another iso, and put vesa xorg.conf in place
[21:47] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209
[21:47] <holstein> !mini
[21:47] <holstein> ^ you can use a mini iso to install in that state
[21:55] <calime8282> thanks holstein
[21:56] <calime8282> sorry holstein i'm a beginner, i don't know how to put vesa in xorg
[21:56] <calime8282> :(
[21:56] <wxl> so just do the modeset thing, calime8282
[21:56] <holstein> calime8282: ask a question
[21:57] <holstein> calime8282: above is a statement.. ."i dont know how to.."
[21:57] <holstein> calime8282: you just ask.. "how do i put that in xorg?"
[21:57] <wxl> calime8282: all you have to do is get to that select menu, look for the command to edit the options, and add in the option
[21:57] <holstein> and i can say, refer to the link i gave, where it suggests copy pasting that in
[21:57] <wxl> calime8282: honestly while holstein is right, as a beginner, it's probably asking too much out of you
[21:58] <holstein> sure.. but the hardware vendor is not going to support it
[21:58] <holstein> im just being realistic.. and have no intentions of being combative
[21:58] <calime8282> in this old pc puppylinux works
[21:58] <wxl> holstein: not suggesting as such :)
[21:58] <wxl> calime8282: all linucies are not the same (especially when it cmoes to puppy)
[21:59] <holstein> its challenging, regardless
[21:59] <holstein> machines come from a company preset up and tested to run windows.. basically, a user has to say "thats ok, i'll put all that same effort into supporting the hardware in linux myself"
[21:59] <holstein> and sometimes, it doesnt come easy
[22:03] <holstein> i had some sis graphics i never got working.. and a via chip that was a pain
[22:03] <holstein> but, identifying what the issue is is realy the first step
[22:03] <wxl> yeah i had a problem with a sis recently
[22:04] <holstein> wxl: graphics?
[22:04] <holstein> wxl: did you resolve the issue in any way?
[22:04] <wxl> holstein: yep. word i got was that i could get it going with an xorg.conf, but just barely. considering this was part of implementing a standard desktop at work, i wasn't going to go there and just grabbed an external we had laying around.
[22:04] <holstein> yup.. thats what i did as well
[22:06] <wxl> holstein: Jordan_U on #ubuntu told me that, so you might want to talk to him about his xorg.conf if you're interested. also OerHeks suggested there's an sis driver in this ppa  https://launchpad.net/~dtl131/+archive/mediahacks
[22:06] <calime8282> guys i must go bye see you tmorrow
[22:06] <calime8282> thanks for all
[22:07] <holstein> wxl: tbh, id have to dig up the hardware.. i think i might have gave it away
[22:07] <holstein> wxl: or just started running it headless somewhere
[22:07] <wxl> holstein: that's the way to do it ;)
[22:08] <holstein> i went through this "if it doesnt support the operating system i choose to use, then its not staying around" stage
[22:08] <holstein> im still in that stage, mostly
[22:08] <wxl> yeah i'm with you on that
[22:08] <wxl> i just got a new lenovo and i've heard i may have some wifi issues
[22:08] <wxl> i'm crossing my fingers
[22:08] <holstein> wxl: im stockpiling intel netbooks :)
[22:09] <wxl> hehehe
[22:09] <wxl> i think i should make my own distro
[22:09] <holstein> do it!
[22:09] <wxl> Lubuntustudio
[22:09] <wxl> cuz that's esentially what i end up making
[22:10] <wxl> lubuntu + lots of a/v stuff
[22:10] <holstein> wxl: do you install pulse?
[22:10]  * wxl points over at offtopic
[22:35] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> anyone know how i can install pcmanfm 1.2 on 13.10?
[22:37] <holstein> !Info pcmanfm
[22:37] <wxl> hm
[22:38] <wxl> !info pcmanfm
[22:38] <wxl> needs dropcase it seems
[22:39]  * holstein looks for pps
[22:39] <holstein> ppa*
[22:39] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> yeah i also checked the ppa page and 1.2 is only avail for trusty
[22:39] <claude_> anybody can't help me resolving an issue that can't be resolved? I'm not the only one that can't figure it out :O
[22:40] <wxl> Waka_Flocka_Flam: buid it yourself
[22:40] <wxl> claude_: if it can't be resolved, probably not ;)
[22:40] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> wxl: do i have to build the other 4 libfm packages too?
[22:40] <claude_> Several people tried to help but without success
[22:40] <wxl> Waka_Flocka_Flam: most likely
[22:40] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> ok
[22:40] <holstein> claude_: just ask.. you are not asking a question
[22:40] <claude_> well... here is the issue. 4 times out of 5, I the boot process hangs right after the swap file is created
[22:40] <holstein> claude_: if the issue cant be resolved, then thats it
[22:41] <holstein> claude_: disable swap and test
[22:41] <claude_> when I boot into recovery mode, everything is fine
[22:41] <claude_> [   13.201589] Adding 8388604k swap on /dev/sda1.  Priority:-1 extents:1 across:8388604k
[22:41] <claude_> [   13.210246] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
[22:41] <claude_> [   13.279065] EXT4-fs (sda2): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro
[22:41] <holstein> claude_: there is not "swap file being created".. its not a page file like in windows.. its a swap partition
[22:41] <holstein> !paste | claude_
[22:41] <claude_> oh yeah sorry, swap partition
[22:42] <claude_> its mounted as sda1 too... I know its not what most people do, maybe this can cause the issue
[22:42] <holstein> claude_: sure.. the partition is not being created either.. it could be mounting.. so try not mounting it.. could be a bad hard drive causing the issue
[22:42]  * wxl nods
[22:42] <wxl> holstein: just uncomment it in /etc/fstab and reboot and see what happens
[22:43] <holstein> wont hurt
[22:43] <wxl> then you could probably do a swapfile on sda2 and no one would know the difference
[22:43] <claude_> oh unmouting what exactly? sda1 ?
[22:43] <claude_> sda2 is the root partition. sda1 is the swap one
[22:43] <holstein> claude_: do whatever tests you want to confirm your hypothesis
[22:43] <claude_> not unmounting but I meant uncommenting
[22:43] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> do i download the orig tarball from launchpad?
[22:44] <wxl> claude_: the sda1/swap line
[22:44] <claude_> ok
[22:44] <wxl> Waka_Flocka_Flam: i'd probably go straight to the lxde sources on erm where are they at again?
[22:44] <holstein> Waka_Flocka_Flam: you can try.. what would i do? run 14.04, or get the .deb's from 14.04 or try building, or try living without the latest version
[22:44] <wxl> Waka_Flocka_Flam: i agree with holstein's idea of using 14.04
[22:44] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> yeah then i would have to wait
[22:45] <holstein> Waka_Flocka_Flam: wait for what?
[22:45] <claude_> thanks I will try that out
[22:45] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> for 14.04
[22:45] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> i only download final
[22:45] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> no beta/alphas
[22:45] <holstein> Waka_Flocka_Flam: then, see other options above
[22:45] <claude_> but I dont have much ram so I think that I will have to do something regarding that swap partition anyway, otherwise I may have some memory problems
[22:45] <holstein> Waka_Flocka_Flam: though, what you are trying to do can cause arguably more breakage
[22:46] <wxl> Waka_Flocka_Flam: then go to sourceforge for the current code for pcmanfm and related dependencies
[22:46] <holstein> Waka_Flocka_Flam: given the choice between running 13.10 with a bunch of out of repo apps, or 14.04 at this stage, i would do 14.04
[22:46] <wxl> claude_: probably won't be an issue. i doubt you're going to have a kernel panic. jus tmight be slow when you get in. would be a good test. how much do you have?
[22:46] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> yeah reason is because of my limited connection
[22:47] <holstein> Waka_Flocka_Flam: you'll download it at some point
[22:47] <wxl> Waka_Flocka_Flam: so go down to the coffee shop XD
[22:47] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> not on this connection
[22:47] <claude_> I have 2 GB... actually 256 MB is used by the onboard Geforce card
[22:47] <wxl> Waka_Flocka_Flam: torrent it then. it'll cmoe eventually and you can stop and go as you like.
[22:47] <wxl> claude_: pffht, you're fine. browsing in chromium might suck, but beyond that you're fine.
[22:48] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> wxl: i have a fam member that tethers his 4g connection
[22:48] <wxl> claude_: i'm running on a gig
[22:48] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> thats what i do my big downloads on
[22:48] <claude_> haha yeah... I use Google chrome... with lots of tab open, this can consumme some unbelievable amount of ram sometimes
[22:48] <wxl> Waka_Flocka_Flam: but you can start it on one connection and finish it on another
[22:48] <claude_> I will try your trick anyway and see what's going to happen and I could report back here
[22:48] <wxl> claude_: 512 is minimum and that's really rough. life is painful with that. but you don't have that problem.
[22:48] <claude_> Are you really active in this channel?
[22:48] <wxl> Waka_Flocka_Flam: that's the joy of torrents
[22:48] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> there isnt much need for that
[22:49] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> and downthemall does the same thing
[22:49] <wxl> claude_: i'm always here and if i'm busy and can't respond there's plenty of other wonderful folks
[22:49] <claude_> awesome! Thanks a lot!
[22:49] <wxl> Waka_Flocka_Flam: so there you go. start downloading. :) i mean, building is no simple task, that's for sure.
[22:49] <claude_> oh oops just before I go
[22:50] <claude_> I forgot to say... this is happening with Lubuntu 12.04... but not with 13.04 or 13.10 (I installed 12.04 to see if I would have the same kind of bugs that the most recent versions)
[22:50] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> ive built a app before, once, midori
[22:50] <wxl> claude_: with swap on sda1?
[22:50] <claude_> other than that, lubuntu 12.04 is rock solid :)
[22:51] <claude_> sda1 as swap was used only with v13.10
[22:51]  * wxl is confused
[22:51] <wxl> and that's the one you're having the problem with?
[22:52] <claude_> I could try... after uncommenting the line I have to uncomment, to use for example sda3 as the swap parition instead of sda1
[22:52] <wxl> or use a swap file
[22:52] <wxl> i like swapfiles
[22:52] <wxl> there's no need to put swap on a separate partition imho
[22:52] <wxl> makes more sense to put /tmp and /var in separate partitions, honestly
[22:52] <claude_> I'm now on Lubuntu 12.04
[22:53] <wxl> well i guess we'll figure it out when you come back :)
[22:53] <claude_> "there's no need to put swap on a separate partition imho"         Oh really?    Is there any tutorials showing how to create a swipe file and to use it instead of using a swap partition? Sorry I'm not ULTRA new to Linux but I'm not experienced either
[22:53] <wxl> yep
[22:54] <wxl> i think it's on the standard swap page
[22:54] <claude_> wxl: yep, I'll go with your recommendation first
[22:54] <wxl> let's see what we can find
[22:54] <wxl> !swapfile
[22:54] <wxl> nope
[22:54] <wxl> !swap
[22:54] <wxl> that page has info on swapfiles
[22:54] <claude_> ok great I will bookmark it
[22:54] <wxl> it also has lots of info that will help you make better judgement about swap and learn how to work with it, turn it off and on, etc.
[22:55] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> wxl: 14.04 it is
[22:55] <wxl> Waka_Flocka_Flam: :)
[22:55] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> packages outdated
[22:55] <wxl> claude_: btw the reason i say to put /tmp and /var in separate partitions is because /var does logs and /tmp can be a temporary storage space and either of them can grow out of control and fill up your whole partition
[22:56] <wxl> while unlikely, it's a nice protection
[22:56] <claude_> oh thanks for that additional advice
[22:56] <claude_> I will remember it
[22:56] <wxl> np
[22:56] <claude_> taking notes :D
[22:56] <claude_> alright I will do my homework now, will come back later :) See you, thanks again
[22:56] <wxl> take care
[23:43] <claude_> Hey wxl!
[23:43] <wxl> claude_: good news?
[23:43] <claude_> I might as well go in private with you if you don't mind? Or I can stay here too...
[23:43] <claude_> nop
[23:43] <wxl> naw just stay here
[23:43] <claude_> But I saw something different
[23:43] <wxl> everything here is logged and is searchable so it's often good for other folks with similar issues
[23:43] <claude_> They say to use http://paste.ubuntu.com when we want to paste text here
[23:44] <claude_> I dont understand that?
[23:44] <wxl> well some of us are on a tno of channels
[23:44] <claude_> Oh and I have made a video... I could upload it somewhere and you would see in REAL time what is happening
[23:44] <wxl> we can't possibly be expect to deal with a flood if output
[23:44] <wxl> if you have a line, that's oen thing, but several lines should go there
[23:45] <claude_> yeah I have a couple of lines
[23:45] <wxl> then it will give a link that you can send here
[23:46] <wxl> there's also a program called pastebinit that's good for using int erminal
[23:46] <wxl> !pastebinit
[23:47] <claude_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7007779/
[23:48] <claude_> thats a part of my dmesg.0 log file
[23:48] <claude_> I have dmesg too... I'm assuming that dmesg.0 is the file that is created for a previous boot. It is in /var/log
[23:49] <wxl> nothing surprising there per se
[23:49] <wxl> dmesg should be before dmesg.0
[23:49] <claude_> I think I will upload my video in youtube
[23:49] <claude_> Will be even better
[23:50] <wxl> btw since you use xchat, you can do things like /exec -o cat /var/log/syslog | pastebinit
[23:50] <wxl> it will paste the results here :)
[23:50] <Dronberg> LXDE died?
[23:50] <wxl> anyways that output is not surprising
[23:50] <wxl> udev is a normal part of the system
[23:50] <wxl> the link down just means your network isn't up
[23:51] <claude_> but sda2 that is REmounted?
[23:51] <wxl> the usb thing probably means you have some usb device connected
[23:51] <wxl> not surprising
[23:51] <claude_> yep I have a 500GB USB hard drive
[23:51] <wxl> i have that same thing on my dmesg
[23:51] <wxl> and everything works fine for me :)
[23:51] <claude_> ok I will show you the video that I've shot I think... I think this gonna help a lot letting you know where exactly the system hangs when it does
[23:51] <wxl> i suspect that's after an fsck
[23:52] <claude_> so basically... now I can chat here because this was the 5th time that I tried to boot lol
[23:52] <wxl> ko
[23:52] <claude_> I tried to boot in recovery mode and I wasnt able to wow lol
[23:52] <Dronberg> And old LXDE faster new LXDEQT?
[23:52] <claude_> ok I will upload the video in youtube now
[23:52] <wxl> brb