[01:55] <rohan> hi, any kde packagers hang out here?
[01:57] <Beldar> rohan, #kde might or the other 50 hits I get when I look at associated channels. ;)
[01:57] <rohan> Beldar: i meant people who package KDE for ubuntu :)
[01:58] <Beldar> there is a ubuntu-dev channel not sure of the access
[02:00] <Beldar> #ubuntu-devel*
[11:33] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:42] <SuperLag> Seriously? No new images have been cut yet?
[11:42] <SuperLag> That blows my mind.
[11:43] <SuperLag> I have a script that downloads the zsync file and grabs the new daily for 32/64/server64.
[11:44] <SuperLag> And since I got that image that results in a regularly crashing desktop... no change. My bug was even closed as a duplicate of a bug that I cannot even pull up. :(
[11:46] <SuperLag> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1152656 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1152656
[11:50] <BluesKaj> feature freeze should be over today, but beta1 freeze begins
[11:53] <SuperLag> Yeah, well... I sure hope they address that. :)
[11:53] <SuperLag> I just booted up the VM again, did an update. The issue is still present.
[11:53] <SuperLag> Glaringly so, too. :)
[11:55] <SuperLag> I'm glad I set it up in a VM, and not on bare iron. :)
[11:56] <BluesKaj> the W7 resolution options were mucked up in VB guest OS as well , it's a mess
[11:56] <SuperLag> W7?
[11:56] <SuperLag> oh....
[11:56] <SuperLag> windows 7?
[11:57] <BluesKaj> maybe running VMs on a dev OS isn't a good idea
[11:57] <SuperLag> When people mention vbox, I run the other way. I left that behind a LONG time ago.
[11:57] <SuperLag> way too flaky
[11:58] <BluesKaj> VMware?
[11:58] <SuperLag> that's what I use now, yeah
[11:58] <SuperLag> it helps that it's what we use in production here, too (at work)
[11:58] <BluesKaj> the player or the enterprise edition>
[11:58] <SuperLag> so if I make something locally, on my laptop, it'll seamlessly transfer over to the ESX instances
[11:59] <BluesKaj> ok, work machine ...home user here
[11:59] <SuperLag> I have Workstation 10 on my laptop and desktop.
[11:59] <BluesKaj> ok
[11:59] <SuperLag> Of course, it's not perfect either. I just got better mileage out of VMware, than other options.
[12:00] <SuperLag> Tried KVM even... and it still feels very half-baked
[12:00] <SuperLag> Does it work? Yes.
[12:00] <BluesKaj> and you run linux guest OSs ?
[12:00] <SuperLag> mostly
[12:00] <SuperLag> and Solaris, and Windows
[12:01] <SuperLag> we use Solaris for the back end of our software products
[12:01] <SuperLag> we're moving to Linux
[12:01] <SuperLag> \o/
[12:02] <BluesKaj> tried kvm , could make a virtual partition large enough to install W7 , even with virt-manager
[12:02] <BluesKaj> moving to linux ..good to hear
[12:02] <SuperLag> yeah, KVM works... but tools to work with it. UGH.
[12:02] <BluesKaj> could not make rather
[12:02] <SuperLag> So so so frustrating.
[12:03] <SuperLag> that, and even rudimentary graphics were crappy looking
[12:03] <SuperLag> definitely for the server space
[12:04] <BluesKaj> no kidding, I just chatted with someone who was raving about kvm
[12:04] <SuperLag> Oh yeah. Moving to Linux. Since I learned Linux *first*, Solaris is so painful to use. It's like going back 20 years in time.
[12:05] <BluesKaj> isn't Solaris unix based?
[12:06] <SuperLag> Yup. It was Sun's flavor. Now it belongs to Oracle.
[12:06] <SuperLag> but no GNU tools, but default... and stuff you're used to having 50 different options (like "grep", for example) will have 15 in Solaris.
[12:07] <SuperLag> s/but default/by default
[12:07] <SuperLag> if you learn Solaris FIRST, then go to Linux... no problem
[12:07] <SuperLag> if you do it the other way around, like I've done... UGH.
[12:08] <SuperLag> Here's my nod to the "topic police"... some of the new/rumored features in 14.04, very nice, and interesting.
[12:09] <SuperLag> I see you can go lower than 32pts for the launcher icons.
[12:09] <SuperLag> at least in the current daily
[12:10] <SuperLag> I read something about the menus being shown on the windows top bar, instead of the menu bar?
[12:11] <BluesKaj> still getting artifacts in menubars and desktop wall papers here
[12:14] <BluesKaj> makes no diff whether the graphics use any OpenGL choices or native or raster Qt
[12:15] <BluesKaj> could be the theme
[12:16] <BluesKaj> but just an intel gpu on this laptop, nothing fancy
[12:18] <SuperLag> Mine might be fancy, I don't know. My laptop is a powerhouse though. :)
[12:18] <SuperLag> its hostname is "beast"
[12:19] <SuperLag> ThinkPad W530. 3 SSDs for 2.1TB of space, and 32GB of RAM. Nvidia K1000M video with 2GB VRAM.
[12:20] <SuperLag> I have a similar desktop at work, but only 1 SSD in it.
[12:20] <BluesKaj> nice !
[12:21] <SuperLag> I got the nice hardware by doing a demo at work, for the sales engineer folks. The way they were doing product demos was really stupid, and taking a very long time to coordinate.
[12:21] <SuperLag> we were shipping 4-6 Sun servers to $PROSPECTIVE_CUSTOMER
[12:22] <SuperLag> and waiting for said $PROSPECTIVE_CUSTOMER to have their IT dept rack and stack everything
[12:22] <SuperLag> I went into a meeting, and told them the way they were doing it was very very silly.
[12:23] <BluesKaj> I can imagine their responses :)
[12:23] <SuperLag> they were mad at me, since I'm the new guy, and it was my first time there... I said you can model the entire environment on one machine, with virtualization.
[12:23] <SuperLag> they didn't believe me
[12:23] <SuperLag> I said, get me this laptop with these specs, and I'll come back in a couple weeks and do a demo
[12:24] <SuperLag> I did. Sales Engineers loved it. Now they carry around similar laptops, and travel to the customer site and do demos on the spot.
[12:24] <bekks> SuperLag: So you virtualized Solaris x86 then? :)
[12:25] <SuperLag> x64
[12:25] <SuperLag> but yes
[12:25] <bekks> which can be considered crap in most of the cases :D
[12:25] <SuperLag> agreed
[12:25] <bekks> Thats why people by sparch hardware, actually.
[12:25] <bekks> And yes, you can virtualize on recent sparc hardware, too.
[12:26] <SuperLag> yeah, but for the purposes of a demo... you don't need the big iron like that, for demos.
[12:26] <bekks> For a demo its pretty ok :)
[12:26] <SuperLag> You can demo full functionality on a smaller scale.
[12:27] <SuperLag> I even suggested using this kind of setup for smaller customers, because we almost ignore all the smaller players
[12:27] <SuperLag> I work in the cable industry (think Comcast, Time Warner, Cablevision, UPC)
[12:28] <SuperLag> My employer makes carrier-grade equipment as well as CPEs (cable modems, set-top boxes, MTAs) for cable MSOs, and the hardware is definitely our bread and butter.
[12:29] <SuperLag> But I work on the software side of the business.
[12:29] <SuperLag> we focus on the larger cable providers, for sure
[12:30] <SuperLag> I said we could offer our app as an analytics service for smaller cable providers
[12:30] <bekks> I suggest using one decent sparc server and use domains and zones.
[12:30] <SuperLag> we use zones in production. sparc is dead.
[12:31] <SuperLag> there are definitely customers that still have it, and we support the legacy stuff, but 100% of ongoing dev efforts are x86-only
[12:31] <SuperLag> That, and Solaris is slowly being phased out. We're moving to Linux.
[12:32] <SuperLag> Oh yeah... and we're moving off of Oracle for the DB, and going to Hadoop. it's going to be very very interesting.
[12:33] <bekks> Well, if you take a look at the release cycles of Oraclee software, and in the server specs of current models, you will see that Solaris x86/x64 is dead basically.
[12:33] <bekks> And the sparc servers keep evolving.
[12:33] <SuperLag> Solaris is dying, if you ask me.
[12:34] <SuperLag> I'd love to give it the Old Yeller treatment.
[12:35] <bekks> It will not die until it still outperforms any other architecture for db performance.
[12:36] <SuperLag> Yes, but have you every heard the phrase "the perfect is the enemy of the good"?
[12:36] <SuperLag> s/every/ever
[12:36] <bekks> Yes, and I considere it being FUD of those who say that. :)
[12:37] <SuperLag> Consider it however you'd like.
[12:37] <ikonia> not quite sure how this sits in 14.04 development discussion
[12:37] <ikonia> maybe #ubuntu-offtopic for this chat ?
[12:37] <SuperLag> Some customers are tired of paying the Oracle tax.
[12:41] <BluesKaj> i inquired about a IPv6 capable router/modem from my ISP a few days ago and when they asked about my OS they relied that my existing 2Wire router/modem doesn't support linux .I told the rep that I've been running linux on their modems since 2002 ...he was really surprised and curious. Told him to research Linux and browse irc/freenode for advice. Was an interesting conversation, but I still din't get an answer to my question
[12:41] <BluesKaj> some support that was
[13:24] <BluesKaj> sorry , din't mean tom kill the chat :)
[13:35] <sgo11> hi, if I install trusty iso from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/, what should I do when trusty officially released? do I simply run "apt-get upgrade" to update to official release? or do I need to do anything special? maybe "do-release-upgrade"? thanks.
[13:37] <BluesKaj> sgo11, simply update/upgrade and dist-upgrade, that should suffice because you are already upgraded to the latest release.
[13:40] <sgo11> BluesKaj, thanks. just got a new laptop. since trusty will be released within 2 months, I think it's better install trusty daily build instead of saucy 13.10.
[13:43] <BluesKaj> sgo11, that's what I did with this new laptop too:)
[13:43] <BluesKaj> goodbye W8.1
[13:43] <sgo11> BluesKaj, ^_^ cheers.
[17:03] <robertzaccour> I just read that Ubuntu will no longer have the global menu, which sucks.
[17:04] <robertzaccour> Please tell me it will continue to have the maximized window button panel integration.
[17:05] <johnjohn101> choice between global menu or title bar menu
[17:05] <johnjohn101> global menu isn't going way
[17:11] <robertzaccour> Oh ok cool johnjohn101 :) I read differently.
[17:11] <robertzaccour> johnjohn101: I just read it's switching to app window menu.
[17:11] <robertzaccour> So the maximized window button panel integration is staying too, right?
[17:11] <k1l_> robertzaccour: nope.
[17:12] <robertzaccour> I couldn't find intellihide in the panel of any DE and that window button integration IMO is even better than intellihide.
[17:12] <k1l_> everything stays the same. just apps can get a menue in the own windows bar to reduce mouse-ways in really big screens. like the 4k stuff
[17:12] <robertzaccour> I'm considering upgrading to Mir and Unity 8 soon. If I upgrade to the daily build that is.
[17:13] <k1l_> well, dont expect too much from mir and unity8 on a desktop
[17:13] <robertzaccour> why not?
[17:13] <robertzaccour> It's been in development for so long, it has to be good.
[17:13] <robertzaccour> But that's what they said about Duke Nuke Forever
[17:14] <k1l_> its not really developed so far. the focus is mobile and tablets for now. 14.04 will still have the x-server and unity7 as standard
[17:14] <robertzaccour> Then over a decade later it got nicknamed things like Duke Nukem taking Forever, or Duke Nukem Never Ever.
[17:14] <robertzaccour> Maybe I'll wait til it's more stable.
[17:16] <k1l_> you can go and install it on 14.04. but as i said: dont expect too much
[17:19] <robertzaccour> johnjohn101: It says here the global menu has been replaced, it doesn't say still optional :( http://www.zdnet.com/ubuntu-unity-to-bring-back-local-menus-7000026821/
[17:21] <johnjohn101> robertzaccour: the is an option in settings in the daily.
[17:21] <robertzaccour> Oh ok cool johnjohn101 :)
[17:21] <robertzaccour> thanks
[17:22] <johnjohn101> 14.04 is going to be a nice solid stable release
[17:24] <BluesKaj> johnjohn101, we can only hope, It's a bit unstable atm
[17:25] <johnjohn101> BluesKaj:  it is? i am using it at work on a vm but not since i updated yesterday.  oh well. two more months!!
[17:31] <BluesKaj> johnjohn101, depends on your graphics capabilities and theme settings
[17:47] <johnjohn101> BluesKaj: i hope it all gets worked out.  and then hope 3.14 kernel goes in as well
[17:49] <Meerkat> include mystery patchset? wtf?
[17:50] <Meerkat> what kind of an open source project are you running here?
[18:01] <BluesKaj> Meerkat, ??
[18:03] <Meerkat> BluesKaj, ubuntu trusty changes mailinglist. "* Include mystery patchset from **** which adds support for little-endian PPC64."
[18:03] <Meerkat> I find the commit message very odd.
[18:04] <BluesKaj> Meerkat, have you asked the devs in #ubuntu-devel ?
[19:12] <pietro10> Is there a preferred way to set up Kubuntu 14.04 as a SMB server? I want to share down to a VM. Thanks.
[23:51] <Kurdistan> hi anyone here that knows if the new icon-theme will make it for 14.04 (upcoming lts)?