[00:04] I use 13.10 on my laptop [00:04] That's why I would love to try Ubuntu in my phone [00:24] stgraber, question wrt to devices; generic and goldfish are just links now, right? [00:24] sergiusens: nope [00:25] yeah, not links [00:25] same target [00:25] sergiusens: generic gets current builds, goldfish may be getting some ubuntu rootfs updates but that's it [00:25] I asked ogra whether I could kill goldfish but he didn't get me an answer, so I'm just leaving it there for now [00:25] stgraber, great; I need to update the default for fetching and getting that in the train now [00:26] just wanted to double check before [00:26] . === chriadam_ is now known as chriadam === vying is now known as Guest56289 === duflu_ is now known as duflu [04:51] is it possible to unlock bootloader of samsung galaxy tab 10.1 (GT-P7510) [05:37] Hey guys question.... When using a Google service in your Ubuntu touch app is it better to go c++ or Qml? [05:38] +cnt [05:42] Anyone able to kind of help me with that? [05:54] quit [06:03] Is someone willing to help me with my problem of google services in qml? [06:23] hey can you install this without fastboot? [06:59] mathew0707: hi, do you mean ubuntu touch? [07:11] good morning [07:27] o/ === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [08:03] does anyone know where can i get a copy of ubuntu source code which i can compile by myself ？ === zsombi is now known as zsombi|afk === zsombi|afk is now known as zsombi === zsombi is now known as zsombi|afk [09:03] anyone testing Qt 5.2 should know that qt5-beta2 PPA now has audio/video/camera functionality. just dist-upgrade. [09:07] barry: asac: It sure was valid. It said "until is fixed", which means that when the bug is fixed, the comment's condition is satisfied. [09:08] Good morning all; happy Polar Bear Day! :-D === Guest22752 is now known as karni_ === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === nik90_ is now known as nik90 === psivaa-afk is now known as psivaa === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [10:17] Hi I have installed touch on my galaxy s2 but it's stuck at a black screen. Does anyone now a fix? [10:18] Lithium3D_, there should be a thread for that device on the xda forums [10:19] (the porters communitcare there ... ) [10:19] *communicate [10:19] ive seen it but i can't solve the problem. like more people on the thread [10:20] i can't use enter after editing the /etc/rc.local file in nano [10:21] no, nano cant properly work with the adb terminal [10:21] \o/ vi [10:21] use vi :) [10:22] ok don't know vi is there a page with instructions??:) [10:22] http://vimcheatsheet.com/ === zsombi|afk is now known as zsombi [10:26] tnx popey i will try it:) [10:34] How do i save in vi?? Thats what i don't understand [10:37] esc [10:37] :wq [10:37] (or just :w if you do not want to quit) [10:38] w means write [10:41] can someone please set channel mode -t? [10:41] ty [10:41] np [10:48] found out how to save:) but its a read only.. any advice? === shuduo_ is now known as shuduo [12:00] Does anyone know how i can save /etc/rc.local it's now read-only in vi [12:05] Lithium3D_: you should not modify on /etc/rc.local, what are you trying to achieve? [12:05] Lithium3D_: if you want to run things on start, you can place upstart jobs in ~/.config/upstart/ [12:06] Lithium3D_: the device is ready only by default =) [12:07] Its that my galaxy s2 is stuck on a black screen the fix should be to add ./system/bin/sensorservice & to rc.local === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [12:19] or is there a diferent solution for this problem? === rachelliu_ is now known as rachelliu [12:24] Lithium3D_, if sensorservice is your problem you can try to start it by hand from adb [12:24] just enter /system/bin/sensorservice in the adb shell and hit enter [12:24] if that is actually your issue the UI should come up [12:24] if it doesnt, your issue lies elsewhere [12:33] hmm it doesnt do anything my terminal is also not going back to the input line [12:42] did i miss anything my internet just blow out for a bit:( [12:42] nope [12:43] ok well putting /system/bin/sensorservice in adb didn't work === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:01] abeato, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7004917/ [13:01] try that one [13:03] ricmm not on yet? === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === _salem is now known as salem_ === jhodapp|afk is now known as jhodapp === pete-woods is now known as pete-woods-lunch [13:20] ogra, ack, trying... [13:21] abeato, not tha final one yet ... i'm still experimenting ... but it should go in the right direction [13:21] ogra, understood === karni_ is now known as karni [13:24] ogra, so this executes "ofonod -p ril" [13:24] but upstart is not tracking the right pid [13:25] ofono start/pre-start, process 3793 [13:25] yeah [13:25] pgrep ofonod [13:25] 3779 [13:25] thats what i'm fighting with atm [13:25] should there be more than "ril" in the module list ? [13:25] (i guess so) [13:25] sadly my maguro now misbehaves :( [13:26] yes, but anyway we actually want the environment variable [13:26] it is not to load one or another plugin [13:27] right, as long as thats used inside the script together with starting the daemon it will work .. [13:27] dropping the exec from the daemon was actually siupposed to get the right pid [13:27] seems that doesnt work [13:27] ah, ok, I see what you want to do [13:28] I guess it tries to track the first getprop [13:28] the first getprop is only for waiting for rild to be fully started [13:29] the second one should actually hand over the module list from the property [13:29] the ril-daemon event can come from upstart [13:29] via the upstart-android-bridge [13:29] rsalveti, it doesnt atm [13:29] why? [13:29] thast why i have the while loop [13:30] ogra: can't the android-socket-bridge launch ril daemon, with the right opts from android passed? [13:30] xnox, ril is launched inside the container [13:30] start on android-socket-event-whatever-it-is [13:31] we want to a) only launch ofono once ril is 100% read [13:31] and b) get the list of modules ril knows from a property to hand it over to ofonod [13:31] ogra: oh, right. i meant ofono. [13:31] s/read/ready/ [13:31] abeato: ogra: then change the rild code to trigger another property change so we know it's completely read [13:31] ready [13:31] ogra: ofono should start on android-socket-event, and that event should have the parameters/opts passed to it. [13:31] boiko: ping, can you review this when you have a chance https://code.launchpad.net/~chris.gagnon/dialer-app/autopilot_page_object_pattern/+merge/208499 [13:31] ogra: and no getprop in ofono job [13:31] as atm the init system will tell you that rild is running but it might not necessarily be the case [13:31] * ogra throws some random y's in the channel [13:31] :) [13:31] robotfuel: sure [13:32] rsalveti, but thats a subsequent problem [13:32] rsalveti, current prob is to get the module list *and* have upstart set the right PID for the ofono job [13:32] is the module list going to be a property now? [13:32] which doesnt work if you launch ofonod from inside a script block [13:33] rsalveti, yes [13:33] if so, we should also change that name [13:33] rsalveti, part of it [13:33] or at leats it will be [13:33] not all plugins [13:33] right [13:33] right, but thats not the prob [13:33] what is the issue with the pid thing? [13:34] what we try to solve is to hand the getprop output to ofono with upstart still using the right PID [13:34] maybe it shouldn't be started in pre-start? [13:34] rsalveti, so you can do something like: PLUGINS=$(getprop foo) inside a script block [13:34] but that cant export PLUGINS to an exec line *outside* of a script block [13:35] rsalveti, the problem is that we cannot use "getprop" in the exec stanza to pass parameters to ofono [13:35] ogra: see above, remove getprop foo from ofono.conf job [13:35] which means you have to start ofonod inside that block which makes upstart lose the PID [13:35] ogra: and instead, get an android-socket-event (e.g. the foo-property change) with the full list of modules [13:35] because upstart will track getprop instead of ofono [13:35] or you can split into two jobs and set the initctl-env stuff [13:35] or echo into a file ... [13:35] both are ugly [13:35] ogra: and change ofono job to start on android-socket-event foo-property change, which will be available in your job environment. [13:36] yeah, you don't need getprop at all if you use the upstart-android-socket bridge [13:36] xnox, i would expect the property to be persistent per device ... there wont be a change ... and thats not our prob [13:36] xnox, we still need to hand over the option to ofonod [13:36] no matter how we get it [13:37] ogra: with dual-simcard devices, i totally expect changes to ofono properties. and on boot it should change from none to list of modules, onces ril is fully ready. [13:37] the issue isnt related to getprop or anything but to "how the heck do i hand something to a var that i can then use in the exec line" [13:37] ogra: and there must be a change, once ril is fully started. [13:37] ogra, right :) [13:37] xnox, again, not the issue [13:37] xnox, the issue is how do we get a var handed to the exec line [13:38] ogra: events have environment variables, unlimited amount, which are passed to the whole job. [13:38] no matter how we acquire the value for that var === marcoceppi_ is now known as marcoceppi [13:38] ogra: if need be, in your android rc do "setprop start-ofono-foo $list_of_props" [13:38] xnox, right and i can use env to set new ones [13:39] the point is still how do i do "exec ofonod -p $MVVAR" [13:39] ogra: yes, you still can do that. [13:39] (how can i fill $MYVAR from a script in the job) [13:39] ogra, the two-jobs option, where the first would do "start ofono VAR=xxx" seems not that bad to me [13:39] ogra: it's just myvar will be set by either event-bridge. Or manually on command line, e.g. $ start ofono myvar=xxx" [13:39] there is no way to get $MYVAR changed outside of the script block [13:40] xnox, right the latter works [13:40] at least it does not need to write to a file [13:40] xnox, but that means we need to jobs [13:40] ogra: and the former also works, if you emit event from the android container. [13:40] ogra: no, one job. [13:40] ogra: no getprop calls on ubuntu side. [13:40] start ofono myvar=xxx needs another job that calls it like that [13:40] ogra: one call to kick off ofono event in android container. [13:41] ogra: change ofono job, to _NOT_ start on runlevel, but start on android-event-bridge event. [13:42] so something like: start on upstart-local-bridge EVENT=foo ? [13:42] ogra: the android-event-bridge event will have the $MYVAR set. [13:43] ogra: yeah. and events pass all other variables as well, which for the "EVENT=foo" would be "MYARGS=ril,bla,bar" which we will use. [13:43] ogra: you should have a default, e.g. env MYARGS=ril, such that if it is _not_ set from event, a sensible default is used. [13:43] right [13:43] the original job that abeato worked out has that === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:47] right [13:48] that's why we don't need getprop at all if we use the bridge [13:48] but I agree it's kind of annoying not being able to easily use vars like that [13:49] right [13:49] * rsalveti gets back to fix the audio issues [13:54] rsalveti: modify ofonod to query things internally with getprop (har-har) === bfiller_afk is now known as bfiller [13:55] xnox: haha [13:56] Mirv: heya [13:57] Mirv: on Qt 5.2, are there known removed ABIs that could potentially break apps? [13:57] Mirv: I just heard from asac that 5.2 might regress, but this seems to contradict upstream's goals?! [13:59] lool, we are testing all the apps - I do not expect them to regress [14:00] other than the ones we identified that use qreal [14:00] just switch them to qvirtual [14:00] :) [14:02] (or qfake) === teixeira13 is now known as lteixeira [14:09] Hey guys I was wondering what's better to use for Ubuntu touch the Google JavaScript client library or the c++ one? I'm trying to build a YouTube app [14:25] greyback_, tvoss: do you know if someone's working on bug 1230091? [14:25] bug 1230091 in unity-mir "[enhancement] Trusted Session surface management (required for appstore app trust model), modal subwindows" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1230091 [14:26] mardy: dednick has been working on the whole trusted sessions concept [14:26] greyback_: thanks [14:27] jhodapp: ping [14:27] mhall119, pong [14:28] jhodapp: hey there, would you be able to give an app developer week session about audio/video playback in apps next week? [14:29] mhall119, possibly, can I get back to you on that a bit later today? I've got a few meetings this morning and I'd like to ask you more about that [14:29] jhodapp: sure thing [14:30] mhall119, thanks [14:31] Anyone know how to use Google APIs in a qml app? [14:31] mardy: got some time to give me a bit of C++ assistance? [14:33] lool: we need to gather more emperical data, but for at least our apps that use lots of native it just doesnt work without rebulding [14:33] thats what i understand [14:33] lool: however, i am concerned about apps in store that are native; we agreed to get more data on those till tomorrow and then see [14:34] and check if we have to do something on the framework [14:34] lool: if it turns out that 5.2 is not drop in, we should remember that and just prep so that we can ship point releases on top (which imo we should do anyway, so we are not in such awkward position once we have more apps) [14:35] Elleo: ping about app developer week [14:35] lool: but thats all speculation. lets wait for the data [14:35] Laney: I can try :-) [14:35] mardy: good, I've hit some kind of hole in my limited knowledge [14:35] lool: what scares me though is that our apps that are packaged needed a rebuild. maybe they dont [14:35] and we just do this "proactively" [14:35] so it's about virtual functions with default implementations in abstract classes [14:35] in if we are not sure, i would prefer if we could drop them out of the silo so we can really get a good understanding [14:35] and learn [14:36] zsombi: ping also about app developer week [14:36] mardy: get lp:~laney/ubuntu-system-settings/reset-api & run that with USS_SHOW_ALL_UI=1 system-settings reset → Reset all system settings [14:36] mhall119: pong what's up? [14:36] I intended it to use the default implementation in lib/SystemSEttings/plugin-interface.h but thath doesn't happen [14:37] so you get a crash [14:37] mhall119: pong? [14:37] zsombi: hey, I'm trying to finish getting sessions for next week [14:37] zsombi: would you be able to give a presentation on using conditional layouts in QML? [14:37] mhall119: when & what time? [14:37] Elleo: hey there! I was hoping you might be able to give a presentation next week on integrating Box2D with a QML app [14:38] zsombi: from the 3rd to the 6th next week, 1400 UTC to 1700 UTC [14:38] Elleo: if you're not familiar with our developer weeks, we have a line up of instructors who get 1 hour slots to talk about their topic and answer questions from IRC, for this one the instructors will be on Google+ hangouts [14:39] mhall119: sure, okay [14:39] mhall119: ok, the earliest time the better 4 me [14:39] Laney: I'm building it [14:39] cheers [14:39] Elleo: zsombi: if you can fill out http://summit.ubuntu.com/appdevweek-1403/propose_meeting/ with a title and short description, I'll get it on the schedule [14:40] mhall119: are there some guidelines/videos of past presentations I can look at? [14:40] Laney: however, by adding that virtual method you are breaking the ABI [14:40] hmm, I was trying to avoid that with the default impl [14:40] Laney: for sure it will crash unless you rebuild the online accounts plugin [14:40] (which is in its own repo) [14:40] I have rebuilt it anyway [14:40] Elleo: this is the first we'll be using the summit website for a developer week, have you participated in an online UDS before? [14:41] short_sam: there must be API calls where you can talk to google services using JSON [14:41] mhall119: yeah, but only watching/asking questions on irc [14:41] short_sam: integrating that into your app should be quite simple [14:41] Elleo: so it'll be similar to that, only this time you'll be talking and answering questions :) [14:41] heh, okay [14:41] Laney: you did a "make install", right? [14:41] I'll have to familiarise myself with what google hangouts offer in terms of screen sharing/slide display [14:42] mardy: I use bzr bd and then install the debs [14:42] Laney: OK. My build is almost done, let's see... [14:42] Elleo: there's some info here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions [14:42] thanks [14:43] nik90: right but how do I go about say authenticating? Is there a way to use Ubuntu touchs accounts plugin to authenticate? [14:43] it's a little out of date since Google just changed the way hangouts work, but I'll update it before next week [14:43] mhal119: so will this be kind of Q&A or do you need me to prepare some slides & we give time for Q&A after that? [14:43] as far as time slots go I can do pretty much anything other than the 5th at 4pm-5pm [14:43] Elleo: is that UTC? [14:43] although we do have our group stand-ups at 3pm, but I expect people won't mind me missing one for this [14:44] mhall119: yeah, UTC [14:44] short_sam: I am not sure about that. If it is not possible using ubuntu touch online accounts, you can add a OAuth plugin yourself [14:44] short_sam: I am sure there are OAuth JS libraries out there [14:44] Elleo: I will tell your manager to let you off for it :) Not that I have any authority there, but I'm happy to say it [14:45] heh, okay; well [14:46] Yea like googles its there but I've never really been able to understand how to make it work because you need a web view for the users consent but you also need to retrieve the api token any ideas? nik90 [14:46] -well* [14:47] short_sam: you can embed a web view inside your qml app just for the authentication process. Once that is done, there must be a way to retrieve the api token using the web view [14:47] short_sam: I haven't looked too much at web view to know if the last bit is possible [14:49] Okay well thanks for your time and help sir I appreciate any help I can get haha let me know if you think of anything [14:50] hi [14:50] will nexus 4 be ubuntu touch development phone for quit a long time????? [14:50] !when [14:50] short_sam: sure [14:51] short_sam: is this by the way for the showdown 2014? [14:51] will nexus 4 be ubuntu touch development phone for quit a long time????? [14:51] someone has any idea?? [14:52] geon: I guess...not sure [14:52] No I wish but I know this won't be done by then I just want an app that I think is necessary for me to completely switch from android nik90 [14:52] short_sam: ah okay...nice [14:53] short_sam: by the way, it is better to ask app development question at #ubuntu-app-devel [14:53] we all hang out there [14:53] geon: simply because most engineers working on ubuntu touch have one... and those dont throw away unbricked hardware [14:53] mhall119: event created [14:53] but it starts to get harder buying one [14:54] Ohhh OK haha thanks [14:54] thanks zsombi [14:55] balloons: can I move your qmltestrunner settion from 1400 to 1500? [14:55] nik90 : but will they drop nexus 4 like galaxy nexus,nexus10??? i am planning to buy nexus4... has to get a hint on this!!! [14:55] mhall119: what's next? [14:56] zsombi: I put you on the schedule [14:56] zsombi: if 1500 UTC early enough for you? [14:56] some one could help me on this??? [14:56] mhall119: I just marked my self to be there' if you see others are needed (like yourself, dpm, others) pls add them [14:57] zsombi: will do, I'm going to try and get somebody else on each session to help the instructor if needed [14:57] mhall119: that's like 17:00 FIN time... which day? [14:57] wednesday [14:57] ok, that's doable [14:57] cool, I'll drop it to 1400 if balloons is okay swapping with you [14:58] Laney: sorry, I'll be afk for a few minutes; so far I'm puzzled... [14:58] Laney: how can I build it with debugging info? [14:58] mhall119: I would be glad to take the earlier if possible... [14:58] will they drop nexus 4 like galaxy nexus,nexus10??? i am planning to buy nexus4... has to get a hint on this!!! [14:58] zsombi: you got it, I'll ask forgiveness of balloons instead of permission :) [14:59] mhall119: kudos 4 U :) thx [14:59] thank you [14:59] mardy: what kind of info? [14:59] and np, got a settings call now anyway [15:00] mhall119: do you want me to create some slides or we just go there with adhoc talk, Q&A? [15:00] zsombi: that's up to you, you can screenshare slides if you want, or screenshare your editor, whatever [15:01] Laney: a stack trace, with source file names and line numbers [15:01] mhall119: I think some apps would be better... [15:01] mardy: oh, are you building a deb? [15:01] DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="noopt nostrip" bzr bd [15:01] then gdb works [15:01] zsombi: you'll have an etherpad available too, since we're using summit, so you can share code bits that way too [15:01] ok [15:02] hey guys, can i install ubuntu for for phones just like a custom rom via clockworkmod? === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [15:05] stgraber: if I build my own device parts for system-image and use cdimage-device generator to import them to the server, recovery will still have ubuntu's gpg keys, right? I have to replace archive-master in bootable/recovery, correct? [15:06] will they drop nexus 4 like galaxy nexus,nexus10??? i am planning to buy nexus4... has to get a hint on this!!! [15:06] will they drop nexus 4 like galaxy nexus,nexus10??? i am planning to buy nexus4... has to get a hint on this!!! [15:06] will they drop nexus 4 like galaxy nexus,nexus10??? i am planning to buy nexus4... has to get a hint on this!!! [15:06] will they drop nexus 4 like galaxy nexus,nexus10??? i am planning to buy nexus4... has to get a hint on this!!! [15:06] will they drop nexus 4 like galaxy nexus,nexus10??? i am planning to buy nexus4... has to get a hint on this!!! [15:06] will they drop nexus 4 like galaxy nexus,nexus10??? i am planning to buy nexus4... has to get a hint on this!!! [15:06] hey guys, can i install ubuntu for for phones just like a custom rom via clockworkmod? [15:07] stgraber: or I can add support for "keyring" option to cdimage-device generator, that'll better [15:07] Acaelus: yes there were zips. but i dont know if there are still .zips to install in the recovery. [15:08] thanks [15:31] Laney: hi! Found it: d->m_plugin is not initialized, it can contain random values [15:31] mardy: aha, I think attente was saying the same thing [15:31] Laney: you must set it to 0 in the PluginPrivate constructor [15:32] sergiusens: is there a quick/easy way for me to build terminal and the konsole module app on-device? [15:32] mhall119, I might change the title and description a bit [15:32] Laney: do you want a hint on how not to break the ABI? I don't really mind rebuilding online-accounts-ui, but landing the feature might be easier if you keep the ABI stable [15:32] popey, let me pastebin jenkins configure script [15:32] thanks [15:32] sergiusens: you should be able to do that anytime === lizardo is now known as Guest45229 [15:34] mardy: I do; I thought the default impl would mean that wasn't a problem [15:34] sergiusens: can you do 1600 UTC on thursday? === pete-woods-lunch is now known as pete-woods [15:35] Laney: I'm not 100% sure, but I think it will be a problem anyway [15:35] mhall119, can you add or subtract an hour? that's stand up time for me [15:35] popey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7005583/ [15:35] Laney: let me look for an example... [15:35] ok [15:35] popey, some vars are escaped there, just remove the backslash [15:36] popey, for the others; it's the same; but just change the module download with the ones listed in plugins.json for that project [15:36] sergiusens: I can if kenvandine can go at 1600UTC [15:36] Laney: http://code.google.com/p/accounts-sso/source/browse/lib/signond/SignOn/extension-interface.h?repo=signond === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [15:37] Laney: basically, you subclass the existing interface and add the virtual method in the subclass [15:38] Laney: then, in src/plugin.cpp, you do something like this: http://code.google.com/p/accounts-sso/source/browse/src/signond/credentialsaccessmanager.cpp?repo=signond#277 [15:38] Laney: first you try to cast the object to the most recent interface, and if that falls, you try with the older one(s) === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [15:39] kenvandine: can I move your session back an hour to 1600 UTC? [15:40] bzoltan: hey, around? [15:41] bzoltan: I just wanted to ask about qmlplugindump [15:41] lool: zyes [15:41] lool: shoot [15:41] bzoltan: my goal is as follow: create a text file with a list of QML APIs + versions for our 14.04 QML framework [15:41] bzoltan: then run qmlplugindump on each and save this to a file [15:41] bzoltan: and say this is our baseline [15:42] bzoltan: then make this an autopkg + autopilot image test that we are never allowed to change these, or it needs to be reviewed [15:42] bzoltan: would this be overzealous in terms of reaching too far down the QML object tree? [15:43] bzoltan: it seems to work in my limited testing, albeit I suspect I might run into some issues with hw-specific modules [15:44] Elleo, would 1600UTC thursday work for you too? [15:44] lool: I see [15:44] mhall119, works for me, elleo is going to help with it as well [15:44] kenvandine: yep, fine with me [15:44] kenvandine: Elleo: thanks to both of you [15:44] sergiusens: you have 1500 UTC on thursdaynow [15:44] lool: I think it is a viable approach ... let's ask kalikiana too, he was/is working on the sdk api checker [15:45] sergiusens: ta [15:45] mardy: hmm, alright - I'll look into it, thanks [15:45] mhall119, great [15:47] since kaleo and timp aren't going to be available, is there anybody else who could give a session on performance analysis and optimization? [15:47] bzoltan: Ah didn't know, that's good to know [15:47] bzoltan: we also need to agree on where we store the actual lists of C libs and QML APIs [15:48] lool: yes we need ... no idea yet === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g === Hourd_ is now known as Hourd [16:26] ogra, I can't reproduce bug 1285236. If I kill the u-s-c process, screen goes black, but doesn't reboot device [16:26] bug 1285236 in unity-system-compositor (Ubuntu) "stopping unity-system-compositor on an ubuntu touch device causes a reboot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1285236 [16:27] mterry, what device ? [16:27] i'm seeing it on flo and mako [16:27] ogra, mako [16:28] with a recent (android 4.4) image [16:29] ogra, ah! I haven't made the jump because I didn't want to wipe all the good stuff in /home/phablet [16:29] But I should update I suppose [16:29] yeah [16:29] * mterry bites the bullet [16:30] lool: right now what we have in the ui toolkit is a python script that parses both .qml and qmlplugindump to generate an api file - it doesn't do versioning right now - but every branch must have an updated api file, nothing gets changed by accident. I'd like to see extending that and making that available in other projects if others are interested in that [16:31] mterry, the driver architecture changed a lot in 4.4 ... probably related (we are using hwcomposer now) [16:32] kalikiana: ah I was working on the same thing, well let me use yours; mine is just a pile of hacks right now [16:33] kalikiana: I think we want versions and we want to encourage version numbers in apps so that app developers dont suddently get a new behavior [16:33] since no version means latest version [16:33] unless we assume that it's ok because they can only get the latest version when changing framework [16:33] but our current distribution doesn't allow this [16:34] lool: we used to have that amazing plan to never change or break abi down to precise… or at least we thought we had to. that's why we have no versions in there so far [16:35] lool: this is the api file right now http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/components.api that's the script if you wanna take a look http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/tests/qmlapicheck.py [16:36] lool: I'm not sure how clear the versioning/ framework discussion is right now. once that is sorted I can add versions support to the script [16:37] it got imroved on an as-needed basis mostly… if it's used for other projects it may need some additions [16:38] (though it's I think fairly re-usable) [16:39] mhall119: do I need to fill these "Spec URL/Wiki URL/Pad URL" fields in with anything? (on the summit form) [16:40] Elleo: nope, leave those blank [16:40] okay, thanks [16:42] hi, n00be Q. I try to run U touch on n7100. And raring even run but saucy or trusty not. Black screen on boot. I used packages from here this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317448 [16:42] If I want to run trusty i must port cm drivers ect according to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2163815&page=1 ? [16:45] can I update from raring to trusty without bulding cm part. Ex. using somthing like apt-get upgrade by phone wi-fi ? [16:46] kyleN: ping [16:51] mhall119: http://summit.ubuntu.com/appdevweek-1403/meeting/22144/game-development-with-qml-and-box2d/ [16:53] hi. im about to flash ubuntu touch trusty and i wonder where to get details on the differences between customize, proposed and so on [16:56] please tell me im impatiently staring on the options :3 [16:58] FreshDumbledore: hi [16:59] hi popey [16:59] FreshDumbledore: use trusty, devel, not proposed, unless you like things slightly breaking [16:59] or, unless you're a developer and want the very latest crack before your friends [16:59]