[05:25] hmm... [05:25] Maaz coffee on [05:25] * Maaz puts the kettle on [05:26] hi Squirm nuvolari and others [05:26] Maaz see superfly [05:26] Kilos: *blink* [05:26] Maaz seen superfly [05:26] Kilos: superfly was last seen 11 hours, 55 minutes and 41 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-02-26 09:30:54 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-02-26 13:20:36 PST [05:26] hi bduk1 [05:27] who_da_fly morning, what broke? [05:29] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [05:29] Maaz danke [05:29] Bitteschön [05:31] More aaaalmal [05:43] Ish Uncle Kilos english or afrikaans please [05:44] lol [05:44] thats german [05:44] clever bot hey [05:48] hi Spekko [05:49] bduk1 waar is mazal? [05:50] goodmorning Kilos [05:50] hi jabberwocky93 [05:51] all 93 of you [05:57] hi oom Kilos, Squirm, Spekko, jabberwocky93, bduk1 [05:58] good morning nuvolari [05:58] morning all [05:58] Maaz: coffee on [05:58] * Maaz washes some mugs [05:58] Maaz: coffee largest [05:58] Squirm: Sorry... [05:58] Maaz: largest [05:58] Whew do you want a bath full Squirm? [05:58] Maaz: yes [05:58] Well then Squirm Please be patient! [05:58] hehe [05:59] Maaz: You don,t get a botsnack for your attitude [05:59] thanks, Squirm [05:59] :/ [05:59] haha [06:00] Squirm when you got time , anytime , no rush please try get that site fixed so QA can google properly [06:00] mornings all [06:01] you said you gotta write them a letter or something [06:01] Maaz: coffee on [06:01] jabberwocky93: There's already a pot on. If you ask nicely, maybe you can have a cup [06:01] Kilos: I thought it was? [06:02] it googles a coupla times then gets that dont agree with me attitude again [06:02] Maaz: caffeinate me please! [06:02] jabberwocky93: Sorry... [06:02] Coffee's ready for Squirm! [06:03] Maaz: botsnack [06:03] Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp [06:09] morning Xethron, if you check laravel you can see me talking to a bot (coffee is on it's way) [06:09] I'm talking about this "who_da_fly morning, what broke?" oom Kilos . Mazal is still on leave he should be back on Monday. [06:10] bduk1 ? thats all english [06:11] ok still don't know what it mean Kilos [06:12] thats saying morning to who_da_fly and asking him why his server crashed [06:13] ok was a bit lost there [06:13] np [06:25] hi not_found [06:25] o/ uncle Kilos [06:26] hi not_found , can we help? [06:26] lol [06:26] good morning [06:26] I doubt it bduk1 [06:26] o/ inetpro [06:26] morning inetpro [06:26] We can try [06:29] * not_found tries to think of something he needs assistance with... [06:29] lol [06:29] making moneyyyyy [06:33] hi ThatGraemeGuy :-) [06:34] yes, I would like some assistance in making more money please :) [06:44] morning :-) [06:44] not_found: with a nick like that i thought you realy need help with something specific now you are bussy to thumbsuck here. If you want more money work harder. [06:45] work smarter, not harder [06:45] haha yeah, steal from the rich , not the poor [06:46] bduk1 <3 [06:49] big picture incoming , if you don't have the data don't click it >.> - https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-FKBVF51dumA/Uwhsb12Kt0I/AAAAAAAACsI/ySHdqnR9lo8/w1278-h959-no/IMG_20140222_132143.jpg [06:52] ty for the warning not_found . i got 50m to last till saterday am [06:53] Now i know what your cat is lookin for not_found [06:54] a bigger bucket? [06:54] tell me about the pic [06:54] no a better bed [06:54] just our black cat in a shallow bucket :p [06:54] :) [06:54] lol [06:54] or a bath? [06:55] Is not_found the cat's name? [06:55] nope, the cat is named Nyte [06:55] ok [06:56] unless it is the cat actually chatting in IRC right now and he is trying to fool you... hmmm [07:05] I see I have two more... again they are big [07:05] https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-otl6dsMjQ5s/UwhsSerqfrI/AAAAAAAACr8/k_MnfDpa-vA/w1278-h959-no/IMG_20140222_132136.jpg [11:04:45]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dSRNbAYZoPw/UwhshfwFZ9I/AAAAAAAACsU/BnxqV2N7HnE/w1278-h959-no/IMG_20140222_132147.jpg [07:05] O/ [07:06] alo [07:07] hi Golynx Vince-0 [07:07] hi Kilos [07:07] not_found: I think your cat curse my pc to reboot not talking to you anymore [07:07] hi bduk1 [07:08] bduk1: you should tell liewe heksie her cat was not_found [07:09] oh my [07:11] Haai [07:13] strange on Xfce my fan is calm , but on Xubuntu my fan goes crazy lol [07:16] hmm i better be quiet. excuse me. [07:31] good morning [07:33] hello [07:34] xfce is the bizniz [07:34] hello to u too [07:35] hi alphaguyy [07:43] sjoe [08:03] hi SCR1845-6357A [08:17] hi magespawn Wraz [08:24] good morning Kilos [08:24] hows the rain in spain [08:24] mainly down the drain? [08:25] hehe it's imminent [08:26] how's the wheater where you live? [08:26] sunny with clouds [08:26] had a storm and bit of rain last night [08:27] good, agriculture always thanks it [08:28] yeah [08:53] ! [09:07] oh my here we go again [09:08] inetpro thats what the follow up to the fly questionaire was supposed to be [09:08] how do we improve the net [09:08] like where do we start kicking butt [09:11] Maaz coffee on [09:11] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [09:11] Maaz and grandpa [09:11] ai! Kilos headache again? [09:12] wb Xethron_ [09:15] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [09:15] Maaz gracias amigo [09:15] ¡de nada compadre [09:22] hey Kilos [09:22] hows magespawn doing today? [09:23] good and you Kilos? [09:23] good ty [09:34] hi Private_User drussell [09:34] hi Kilos [09:34] Kilos: hey [10:16] wbb [10:27] good afternoon [10:27] Maaz: coffee on [10:27] * Maaz washes some mugs [10:29] afternoon charl_ [10:30] hi Private_User [10:31] how's it going [10:31] not too bad and yourself [10:31] if (isset($charl_ && $Private_User)) { echo "Good afternoon!"; } [10:31] Coffee's ready for charl_! [10:33] oops! [10:33] Hi charl_ [10:33] lol @ Golynx, was that your dude or is your IRC client not doing what you wanting it to do? [10:33] Hi Private_User [10:33] Hi Golynx [10:34] Private_User: its me [10:34] just php clouding my brain lol [10:37] yeah I had those days where you actually dream that you are coding stuff, but now I have not touched coding anything in so long I am not sure if I remember how [10:38] yeah your right the stuff consumes your everyday existance, gotta take a break sometimes else it will burn you out. [10:39] you will get the hang of it again when you do it . [10:42] its a lifestyle [10:43] being a geek is a lifestyle, so is programming [11:19] something doesn't look right there, i would say it should be isset($charl) && isset($Private_User) [11:20] the result of an && would always be "set" right? [11:20] (not sure if php sees it that way, just thinking out of principle) [11:26] haha good work charl_ , i made a few errors to see if someone will pick it up lol [11:27] also variables in php should not start with caps like $Private_User should be $private_User :) [11:31] Golynx: that is only by convention and is not enforced [11:31] so it's not an "error" [11:31] what are the other errors, i don't see any [11:33] hmm , then i've been reading the wrong books :| [11:33] do you guys do alot of development? I need to get back at it but issues is I do not know what app or type of web app to develop just to get me back into it. I could start from the beginning again with the Hello World program, what do you guys suggest? [11:34] Golynx: http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.variables.basics.php [11:34] Variables in PHP are represented by a dollar sign followed by the name of the variable. The variable name is case-sensitive. [11:34] Variable names follow the same rules as other labels in PHP. A valid variable name starts with a letter or underscore, followed by any number of letters, numbers, or underscores. As a regular expression, it would be expressed thus: '[a-zA-Z_\x7f-\xff][a-zA-Z0-9_\x7f-\xff]*' [11:34] in other words, variables that start with an uppercase character is totally valid [11:35] LOL [11:35] that reminds me of something I read yesterday, the only software without any backdoor access is the Hello World program or something like that, I probably messed it up but was funny when I read it [11:36] charl_: yeah your right thanks [11:36] Golynx: but also read http://git.php.net/?p=php-src.git;a=blob_plain;f=CODING_STANDARDS;hb=HEAD [11:36] 5. Variable names should be in lowercase. Use underscores to separate [11:36] between words. [11:36] haha no need to rub it in :D [11:36] no i am finding this out for myself now, i am not a php person [11:37] lol [11:37] we have some php applications that need maintenance from time to time [11:37] so i just like to know what needs to be done "in case" but i stay the heck away from php for any real project [11:38] charl: oh , i've been in pythn for a while making pygames , so like Private_User i need a memory refresh of php again [11:38] Golynx: same here i usually stick to a combination of java and python too [11:38] python* [11:39] ah nice [11:39] Private_User: there are tons of "programming school" sites now with basic things [11:39] Private_User: afaik shannon morse is also doing one now... lemme try and find it for you [11:40] when you do multiple programming languages at once its good to have google and the reference manuals on speed dial [11:41] Private_User: there you go: http://twit.tv/code [11:41] cool stuff thanks charl_ I really need to be able to get back into it quickly then I can actually start doing some real development with some confidence [11:41] Private_User: lol @ hello world's backdoor [11:42] used to be able to do this stuff with ease previously but that was years ago and have not touched it for so long kinda forgotten alot but am sure if I get back to basics first maybe it will come back to me quicker and quicker as I go along [11:43] Golynx: yes i find exactly the same, but usually i find "how to do x y and z in language a b and c" quite easy to google and then find on stack overflow [11:43] some things actually turn out to be very easy in some languages and very hard or messy in others [11:43] if you're used to python's powerful constructions it's easy to get frustrated with other languages [11:44] but at the end of the day there is always some way [11:44] brb need to get some fresh air :) [11:46] charl_ : i agree :) [11:47] Private_User: i'm sure you still know the basic logical structure of programming like, if statements and loops. Those things are hard to forget. Good luck! [11:47] wb not_found [11:50] Golynx: yeah that I do its a matter of trying the remember the actual coding structure for a specific language. [11:50] alo again [11:51] thanks Golynx [11:51] but which languages you thinks is quite common out there now or going to be very common soon? [11:51] sup not_found [11:51] not much, yourself Private_User ? [11:52] will be better to learn that first then learn the others I am supposed to know [11:52] not_found: same here dude, same here [11:53] Private_User: ya its mostly the syntax thats different , like python got a clean if var == var2: , and php got if ($var == $var2) { . Most of the logic is similar across languages [11:54] Well python is the easiest t start learning from i think [11:54] javascript , php, c++ etc all got the dirty braces look lol [11:54] * not_found has been eyeing Python for ages now... I can write a mean "Hello World" and not much else :p [11:55] yep so I am sure I will start to pick it up quick but whats needed to know at the moment [11:55] lol @ Golynx [11:56] yeah not_found if clients were looking for an hello world program I would be like which language do you need it in... [11:56] lol [11:56] :D [11:58] brb [12:00] I started with http://inventwithpython.com a few years back. I think the best way to start learning programming is by creating games, that way it will be fun and not so nuch a hair pulling experience :p [12:00] lol not_found [12:01] I downloaded those books about a month ago... not sure why I didn't start them :/ [12:01] oh yes, because I procrastinate... [12:01] :p [12:04] not_found lol , then you got to eat it one piece at a time [12:06] one gets very hyped up when you see your little game created in terminal finally finished . Then you start wanting to add some new features to it. [12:17] I had a look again... the style of teaching was a bit odd to me too... put me off of it a bit [12:21] i think they explain it well , aspecially showing boxes with stuff in them that represents variables [12:22] * not_found will have another go this coming night shift [12:22] you got to start from the IDLE gui enterpreter for python though, then move on to creating code in files for your programs [12:23] ah thats good, its something to do as a hobby in your free time, so not much pressure there :) === who_da_fly is now known as superfly [12:27] Maaz: tell Kilos apparently my connection timed out or something [12:27] superfly: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [12:27] *sigh* freenode [12:28] long day superfly ? [12:31] not_found: always busy [12:32] that is not a bad thing always ... except if always includes week-ends... then it is sad [12:33] hey all [12:34] i am busy doing cs50 with edex at the moment [12:34] it is an introduction to computer science [12:34] cool\ [12:35] hi magespawn [12:35] hey charl [12:35] did you manage with that cisco router ? [12:36] i managed to log into it and reset it to factory defaults but have not tried anything else yet [12:38] does the web interface work now ? [12:40] no not yet, from what i have been reading, that looks like you have to specifially enable it first in the console [12:41] specifically [12:42] hi magespawn [12:42] hi Golynx [12:42] magespawn: ah that makes sense actually [12:42] magespawn: you don't want something like that enabled by default [12:43] funny how most of the default access methods on home equipment is not on more 'advanced' equipment [13:10] magespawn: it's probably all related to the trade-off between usability and security [13:10] magespawn: for home equipment usability is often favoured above security because then the average user starts complaining that it's too difficult to use [13:11] it's the same as having default passwords on everything, it also makes it easier for the service desk to help customers [13:11] "what is my password i don't know my password" ok fine here it's probably the default password and it works [13:16] o/ [13:16] anyone around using glusterfs? [13:17] I'm troubleshooting an issue where it appears that file handles are lost [13:17] I blame SVN [13:32] Maaz: ohi superfly, glad you back [13:32] Kilos: Huh? [13:32] oh my [13:33] just hunted me sick to find why my shift+3 was a pond sign instead of a hash [13:33] cant join any channels without a hash [13:33] sigh [13:34] Maaz: shup [13:34] Shup yourself oh noisy one [13:37] *pound [13:38] oh ya that thing sorry [13:42] wb Kilos [13:42] opera irc dont need # sign [13:42] hi superfly [13:42] hi Golynx [13:45] i use konversation [13:45] ty for the wb [13:45] np [13:46] only missing bell.ogg [13:51] charl_, that is too true [13:51] when i first started here all the routers and other wireless equipment were on default passwords [13:56] so Kilos did you find your way back to the hash? [14:00] yeah was a major job on kde man [14:00] but now i know again till next time [14:00] dunno how that pommy keyboard got in here [14:02] dug too many dubbeltjies yesterday [14:07] ai! [14:07] \join #windows [14:07] lol [14:09] that was random [14:10] eeek [14:11] sorry slash going the wrong way [14:11] only a ##windows [14:12] yup [14:12] asked them why i got one of their keyboard layouts and they sang back to me [14:12] WE are the champions [14:12] hey guys [14:12] hi theblazehen [14:13] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1crcLe8SBCoEK6cPrlM_jbp5f-txIxdhEVDrdv7XwYHI/edit?usp=sharing anyone mind looking over this? [14:19] sure [14:19] ty magespawn [14:20] seems fine, could be a very long research project [14:21] yeah, I know [14:21] but fun [14:22] indeed, would you run the simulated universe in a program? [14:22] yeah [14:23] hi theblazehen [14:23] hey Golynx [14:24] does'nt one need some serious computing power for something like that [14:24] Golynx, not really \, if it's small scale [14:24] serious programming skills too [14:24] eg. only a few thousand cells [14:24] magespawn, there are already programs, and libraries available :) [14:24] oh ok makes sense [14:27] ya true magespawn [14:40] ah well then seems like it is all a go [14:45] hi theblazehen [14:45] hi Tonberry_ [14:49] hey charl_ [14:52] later all home time [14:52] toods magespawn [14:52] me wbb too [16:08] hell Saffaz!!!!! Any cricket fans in this room? [16:09] hi samkelo [16:09] 8ta Kilos [16:09] hwzit? [16:10] ok ty and you [16:11] I'm good [16:11] r u in RSA? [16:11] yes in Pta [16:12] grt [16:13] I am so excited about the SA v.s AUS game..this weekend, it it was possible I would be in attendance at Newlands [16:13] lol [16:15] I am trying to root my phone on the linux enviroment but I am unable to do so [16:15] do u, perhaps have some tech know-how [16:15] nothing about fones [16:15] samkelo, which phone? [16:16] but state what you are trying to do and wait maybe someone else has an idea [16:16] Kilos, like me? lol [16:16] lol ya [16:17] Prestigio PAP3540...running Android 4.1.1 [16:19] Having problems? [16:19] I haven't used any of the new Androids :( [16:21] its not that I am having problems with it... [16:21] I just do not like the restrictions that come with these phones.... [16:26] meant if you having problems rooting it === Snowy2 is now known as SnowyZA [17:20] * Trixar_za looks questioningly at Squirm [17:20] Either your dad as at it again or you're feeling lonely :P [17:38] hi Trixar_za SnowyZA [17:38] Hey Kilos [17:41] hi Trixar_za [17:42] hi SnowyZA [17:44] Hey Golynx [17:44] http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2014-02-27.gif [17:51] Trixar_za: err whats that about? [17:59] wb charl_ [17:59] hi Golynx [17:59] thanks :) [17:59] yw [18:00] looking at https://appear.in/ [18:00] i want to test it with my mom when she gets home later [18:01] html5 ftw :) [18:02] oh thought it was another skype clone, but looks great :) [18:02] yeah html5 rocks [18:04] hi theblazehen [18:04] actually websockets are awesome [18:04] wb theblazehen [18:05] hey charl_ Golynx [18:06] hmmm seems to have crashed my browser now :( [18:06] lol Trixar_za [18:06] I haven't used it since my net speed increased [18:07] which was about 2 months ago [18:10] sigh, all the new peeps ran away [18:12] tourists Kilos that's normal [18:13] haha [18:13] i mean how many years have people like us all been around [18:13] still the same group mostly [18:14] i been here since 8.10 [18:14] 2008? same here more or less [18:15] although i've always been an on-off user :) [18:16] i used to travel a lot so used to spend long time off irc [18:16] ah [18:16] http://terriblerealestateagentphotos.com [18:16] were you here when i was still blogging? [18:16] i think so, i might have missed some stuff though [18:17] the last two years i've held a stable full-time job so i have been more consistent [18:19] hi SCR1845-6357A [18:19] hi SCR1845-6357A [18:19] get e lekker nick man , thats a terrible one [18:19] hi SCR1845-6357A [18:20] oh ya no lekker word in spanish [18:20] no me gusta [18:20] Kilos his my password reminder :p [18:20] that's about the only spanish i know :) [18:20] lol [18:20] are spanish and mexican far apart? [18:21] latin american i think are mexicans [18:21] so are brazilians i think [18:21] afaik most of south and central america speaks primarily spanish [18:21] didnt the spanish go kill the [18:21] um [18:22] lol [18:22]