[08:57] <cub> zequence: I'm setting up two saucy VB on my pc now to test the upgrades, hopefully it will get done during the day. After that I will try the precise -> trusty even if there's no specific test cases for it at the moment
[08:58] <cub> I'm on a mac today though, so testing jack and sound is often a bit messy
[09:42] <zequence> cub: I'll also give upgrading a try
[09:48]  * cub is kicking myself for not saving the old saucy installations
[09:49] <zequence> Our DVD is starting to get quite large. I think we should consider a CD version for next release
[09:49] <zequence> I'm a bit curious on how much changes we can do for each point release. Would be good if we could do that for 14.04.1
[09:52] <cub> is there a schedule for the 14.04.1 release?
[09:53] <cub> there's been the discussions on "bloatware" but on the other hand some argue that noone use CD anymore any way
[09:55] <zequence> I think the problem is the time it takes to download it, especially if you only need the bare system
[09:55] <zequence> I'm waiting for ubuntustudio-live to be accepted. Probably buggy, and needs to be fixed, but with that, the user can choose what to install
[09:55] <zequence> And, I need to make it able to download packages
[09:56] <zequence> Not just pick from the DVD/CD
[09:57] <cub> cool
[10:00] <cub> different question. If you want to convert a "standard" ubuntu to ubuntu studio, which packages are essential to get the audio and low latency kernel?
[10:01] <zequence> cub: You mean, just jack and audio configs?
[10:01] <cub> any other steps involved, as adding to the audio group or similar? I haven't done this in ages and I think it's different now since you did a lot of changes before 13.10?
[10:01] <zequence> Install jackd and linux-lowlatency. Add yourself to audio group. That's it
[10:01] <cub> it's a question on the ubuntuforums from a user who is going to buy a System76 pre-installed
[10:01] <zequence> If you need the pulseaudio bridge, install pulseaudio-module-jack
[10:01] <zequence> Ah
[10:01] <cub> there is an outdated wiki page
[10:02] <zequence> Yes. It's kind of big. Could be reduced
[10:02] <cub> so instead of reinstallation the pc with US which might break the support agreement with System76, we suggested to "just add" what you need
[10:03] <cub> but it would be good to specify what they actually need
[10:05] <zequence> This command will take care of everything: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio linux-lowlatency && sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER
[10:05] <zequence> That will get all the audio packages, and set the system up for low latency audio
[10:11] <cub> thanks!
[10:31] <cub> zequence: I'm starting an upgrade on amd64 now, going to let it run over lunch break
[10:48] <cub> zequence: when I did "update-manager -d -c" it didn't really do much. Said to restart to finish the updates but lsb_release still show 13.10
[10:49] <cub> running again seems to start the upgrading
[12:41] <zequence> cub: Yes, update-manager seems to want to make sure the system has the latest upgrades of packages, before being willing to upgrade to the next release
[12:45] <zequence> Fak, I downloaded the wrong arch
[12:48] <cub> half way through the amd64, takes a loooong time. Won't have time for the i386 today
[12:51] <zequence> I'm doing the i386. As soon as I get the right image
[13:30] <zequence> Having some problems getting the new ubuntustudio-live package uploaded, but getting a lot of help, so should be done within a couple of days, I hope
[13:45] <zequence> Had a wonderful crash, while I was installing on virtualbox
[13:58] <zequence> My computer is crapping out. How wonderful
[14:11] <cub> great timing. :P
[14:19] <holstein> i think a system76 rig would be a nice half of the equation
[14:19] <holstein> not sure what audio interface i would pair with that these days
[14:33] <cub> Open a terminal and enter the command grep Prompt=
[14:33] <cub> /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[14:33] <cub> zequence: is the step 7 correct? 
[14:33] <cub> hmm my paste went wrong but anyhow
[15:01] <cub> I figured it out but the test case have some typos
[15:18] <zequence_> cub: I don't think the test case is up to date
[15:18] <cub> nope
[15:18] <zequence_> cub: You can check which release it is by doing: cat /etc/issue
[15:18] <cub> I did a "more" and grep which showed me what was expected
[15:18] <zequence_> holstein: Yeah, they don't have firewire ports on those machines. Probably only a handful of usb devices one should even consider
[15:18] <cub> I tested some applications but since my macbook and Vbox doesn't work well with audio I really couldn't test that
[15:19] <zequence_> I don't think vbox will work well on any platform, in lower latencies
[15:19] <elfy> if there are issues with the testcases - report them as bugs - just make sure to note the testcase number
[15:19] <zequence_> One needs to set jack to a period of over 2000
[15:20] <cub> aha
[15:20] <cub> do we count my tests as passed anyway?
[15:28] <zequence_> cub: Sure. No problems at all?
[15:29] <cub> two bugs, but otherwise no issues
[15:29] <cub> same bugs as the "standard" installation so
[15:30] <zequence> aha
[15:30] <zequence> I usually get problems in user files
[15:30] <cub> oh?
[15:30] <cub> what kind?
[15:30] <zequence> Corrupted login window is one that I've had for a couple of releases
[15:30] <zequence> Nothing big, but not great
[15:30] <cub> the login window was ugly, but not broken
[15:31] <zequence> Ugly, how?
[15:31] <cub> Bigger and more white than in 13.10
[15:31] <cub> I thought it was supposed to look like that. :D
[15:32] <zequence> Maybe, I don't know
[15:32] <zequence> more white, how?
[15:32] <zequence> The theming?
[15:32] <cub> let's see if I can bring up a sceenshot
[15:32] <cub> it was the same on my beta tests a couple of days ago
[15:34] <cub> !paste
[15:36] <cub> http://imagebin.org/296143
[15:36] <cub> perhaps different because of mugshot?
[15:37] <zequence> It has seen some changes this cycle, so I think that's normal
[15:37] <zequence> Maybe it would be possible to change the coloring a bit
[15:37] <cub> probably
[15:37] <zequence> Not a major issue, IMO :)
[15:37] <cub> nope
[15:38] <cub> also depends on how madeinkobaia changes the overall look for trusty?
[15:38] <cub> if that's still on the table?
[15:38] <zequence> No, I think we should only expect a new wp at the most
[15:39] <zequence> I'm still possibly updating ubuntustudio-controls, which I haven't yet completed
[15:39] <zequence> And, need to see what else I can do with our installer
[15:39] <zequence> Once those two things are done, and before UI freeze, we need to update the slideshow
[15:39] <zequence> Lastly, our website
[15:40] <cub> yeah
[15:40] <zequence> One thing that bothers me this release is that we have yet not gone through our package selection
[15:40] <zequence> It's more or less untouched for years now
[15:40] <cub> yes I had high hopes after 13.10 release but then life happened
[15:40] <zequence> Well, at least on the audio, video and graphics side, where only minor changes have been made. Nothing overall
[15:40] <zequence> I mean, nothing grand
[15:41] <cub> no the biggest change is dropping ardour 2
[15:41] <zequence> The meta hasn't been updated yet, so that is probably the reason it gets installed (if it still does)
[15:41] <cub> if that is still to be done. Seems to be included in the beta.
[15:42] <zequence> Yeah, I've only done the seeds. Need to update the meta. I'll have that done directly after the beta
[15:42] <cub> I'm starting a new job on Monday so quite busy this and the upcoming weeks
[15:43] <zequence> I'm doing php and mysql work in my internship. Feels like my mind is running out of drive space
[15:44] <zequence> I'm probably just being thoroughly inefficient, in how I manage to get so little done
[15:44] <cub> where's that?
[15:44] <zequence> zetup.se
[15:46] <cub> nice
[15:46] <cub> I'm going back to the world of Skanska.
[15:46] <cub> used to be server admin there 15- years ago
[15:46] <cub> and will do Service Management for the infrastructure department
[15:47] <cub> what about your plans for changes on the website that Nick started out with?
[15:48] <cub> anything we should get back on the table? I could take a look if possible
[15:52] <zequence> cub: Once we're done developing this release, if you have time, we can do that anytime. Around release time would of course be most suitable
[15:53] <zequence> Would be nice to make a few small changes for the theming
[15:53] <zequence> Also, we need to update the content. The feature tour especially
[15:53] <zequence> And think about what we could improve overall. I'd like make it easy as pie for people to get involved
[16:01] <cub> let me know if I can help out
[16:01] <cub> heading home to my poorly little daughter now
[20:18] <holstein> zequence: i have a nice texas instruments express card
[20:56] <zequence> holstein: Cool. I've heard it's hard to get those working right. I might get a system76 sometime, if I can get firewire working on it
[20:56] <zequence> Beta 1 out. Going to see if it's ok to make release postings
[21:33] <holstein> zequence: all i own is an HP netbook that i use the expree card with.. but i have tried it with at least 4 or 5 other devices, no troubles
[21:33] <holstein> maybe its something with certain laptop MB's