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pleia2added german and revised french translations of the startubuntu flyer to http://xubuntu.org/marketingresources/ \o/00:41
pleia2ooh, there's a danish one too /me adds00:41
knomeaha01:08
ochosiUnit193: seemingly not, this is the place it checks for global default configurations of the plugin. best to submit an issue on github about it07:11
Unit193No GH account. :P07:17
elfyknome and anyone else interested - beta 1 is now marked ready07:26
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Unit193Howdy, cub.08:43
cubMorning!08:43
Unit193jjfrv8: Line 50 of your merge proposal, that isn't actually opening the Applications Menu if we do go with whiskermenu.09:13
Unit193(Also, not just indicators but notification area too, but that's even more minor.)09:15
elfyknome: I've done draft announcements - I assumed you wanted 2 - the pad made it look like that to me10:26
starratsjust let you all know that just finished update/upgrade/dist-upgrade and now a new one popped in term about not needing certain items and to do apt-get autoremove and all wen quite well.10:29
starratsJust a question, are the little notes that I tell you here bother or help you as a user coming here?  10:50
elfythey don't bother me - but I tend to skim them unless there's an issue :)10:51
elfythey might bother other people though ;)10:51
starratsah okay if they bother then I won't relay them unless it becomes and issue but then it's usually to late, at least for me10:54
elfywell we are working on the dev version - so any issues either should have or need a bug report, regardless of whether it's too late for you or not10:55
schproodleWhat does 'ready' mean here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds12:01
schproodle'Upgrade Xubuntu i386 (ready)'12:02
elfythat it is marked as ready for release12:03
schproodleelfy, What other testing for xubuntu should I explore?12:04
elfyhttp://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases12:05
elfypackages if you want - specifically the Xubuntu Networking and Xubuntu Trusty Additional groups at the bottom12:06
slickymasterWorkschproodle: what elfy is referring to is http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases12:13
slickymasterWorkups, elfy already had provided you the link12:13
schproodleYes, thanks.12:14
schproodleWish I could get the Guest Additions installed on vm -- lousy 640 x 480 resolution.  Doesn't seem to work on 14.04 vm.12:26
slickymasterWorkschproodle: what virtualization software are you using?12:31
slickymasterWorkOracle VirtualBox?12:31
knomeelfy, one for the blog, one as the full notes in the wiki12:32
schproodleyes, seems to work for Debian vm but not for 14.0412:32
slickymasterWorkwhat version?12:32
slickymasterWorkis it 4.3.8?12:33
slickymasterWorkand what VBGuestAdditions version are you using?12:33
schproodle4.2.16 on 13.1012:34
slickymasterWorkschproodle: you have to update them. Thing is your VBoxGuestAdditions version doesn't recognize the latest release of X.Org Server, which is now 1.15 in Trusty, so they fail to install12:35
schproodle4.2.16_8699212:35
slickymasterWorkschproodle: ^^12:36
schproodleright, do I have to upgrade vbox too12:36
slickymasterWorkI would advise to do so12:37
schproodlethat is the one in the respository for 13.10 however.  Sorry, I am not more adroit.12:38
slickymasterWorkschproodle: you can download VirtualBox 4.3.8 for Linux from https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads. Just make sure you download the right file for your architecture (32bit or 64bit)12:42
schproodleyes, I just found that.  got the deb 12:44
slickymasterWorkok, once downloaded all you have to do is to navigate into the folder where you downloaded, open a terminal there and run sudo dpkg -i <file_name>.deb12:46
schproodleseems I have to remove guest additions first however12:47
schproodlethe old version  Using synaptic to clear out the old vbox12:47
schproodleI will get the new Guest stuff but there is another addition for usb, can't remember12:48
schproodleextension pack?? 12:53
elfyknome: don't understand what you mean13:00
knomeelfy, the release *announcment* is meant for the blog13:03
knomeelfy, the release *notes* are meant for the wiki, along with the usual common infrastructure -changes13:03
elfyoic 13:05
elfyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Beta1 or something 13:06
knomewell something in those lines13:06
elfywithout the roadmap bits :p13:07
knomelol13:07
knomehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu/Beta113:07
elfyanyway - I hate fighting the stupid wiki13:07
knomehmm wait13:07
knomehah13:07
knomeleave that to me then ;)13:07
knomenot that...13:07
knomehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Beta1/Xubuntu13:07
knomethat13:07
knomedid the first version of that13:10
elfyyep13:10
elfyI'll do the bug links if you like13:11
knomenah, i'm on it13:11
elfyok13:11
elfyknome: the announcement just needs the torrent/download links when we get them - and you to decide you don't like the way it looks :)13:12
knomedoes the users-admin bug actually stop you from adding a new user?13:15
knomealso, is the USC bug happening every time?13:16
elfyuser-admins lets you add user and set it up13:16
elfyand I doubt it for USC13:17
knomeso, what's the crash?13:17
knomejust crashes after it has added the user?13:17
elfybut then the keyboard one won't affect anyone other than people with a gb layout13:17
elfyyea - crashes after close of it seemingly13:17
knomeok, just updated the wikipage13:19
knomecheck if those are accurate descriptions13:19
elfynot easy to decide which to mention - the kbd one affects me - the network share one I'd not take any notice of13:19
elfylooking13:19
knomewell at least we have now user-understandable descriptions to look at13:19
knomeand decide13:19
knomeupdated13:20
knomes/GB/British/13:20
elfyThunar doesn't automatically removable - missing mount13:20
elfyBoth xscreensaver light-locker are active - missing and13:21
knomefeel free to edit :P13:22
knomei've dropped the edit lock13:22
elfythought you still had lock :)13:22
elfywell you did when I looked lol13:22
elfyok - all done then 13:23
knomeok, good13:24
slickymasterUnit193: changed the changelog according to what we discussed -> See revision 14913:24
knomenow should look at the announcement13:24
slickymasterUnit193: I think is good to be merged now13:25
knomehmm, yeah...13:26
* knome drops "new wallpaper" from the notes13:26
knomewe don't have that yet :P13:26
knomeelfy, which issues do we want to pick for the announcement?13:29
knomei'm not sure if there is actually any *really annoying* one13:29
knomelooking at the list we have in the notes13:29
knomeexcept maybe the xsreensaver/light-locker one, but that's only on suspend13:30
elfywell - everyone will get the xfdesktop one13:30
elfythunar and usb's has been going on for ages so ... 13:30
knomeyah13:30
knomemaybe those13:30
elfyprobably just the new ones - xfdesktop, network shares, xscreensaver/light-locker and a special mention for anyone with a gb keybord lol13:31
knomenah, i think that's fine not in the annoucement :P13:31
elfy:p13:31
knomeso shares13:32
knomem13:32
elfyyea - just the 3 I'd say - it links to release notes 13:32
knome3? :P13:32
knomeoh13:32
knomeyeah....13:32
elfy:)13:32
knomei'm messing up with the annoucement13:32
knomehttp://xubuntu.org/?p=2152&preview=true13:34
elfylooks13:34
knomethinking some subheadings could do good for that :P13:34
knomeupdated13:35
elfyhighlights and known issues  13:35
knomefurther udpated13:35
elfyI was just about to say that lol13:35
elfyyea that looks ok to me 13:36
knomeyep, now just need the download links13:36
elfyyep 13:36
elfyfirst one to see them edit and publish?13:36
knomeworksforme13:36
knomewell,13:36
knomepublish only after it's official ;)13:36
knomebut yep, that's what we should do13:37
elfyyea of course13:37
* knome goes poking the wiki, need to include the common known issues13:37
knomeok, the wiki should be in order13:41
knome...and changed the link on the announcement to the correct url13:42
elfythanks13:43
knomeback to reading irc logs13:43
elfylol13:44
GridCubeelfy, knome, shouldnt it point the issue with no wallpapers shown in xfdesktop settings manager? i mean we are saying that there are new wallpapers avialable but people wont be able to find them14:05
knomeGridCube, can you confirm that bug is still in beta1?14:10
GridCubeyes14:11
knomeis there a bug report for it?14:11
GridCubethere is14:11
knomecan you link us to that, and we'll make sure it's in the annoucement/notes14:11
knomei need to do some commercial work for a bit14:11
GridCubegetting it14:11
knomebbiab14:11
GridCubehere knome https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfdesktop/+bug/127171314:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1271713 in xfdesktop "xubuntu 14.04 trusty thar desktop wallpapers selection shows empty" [Undecided,Confirmed]14:11
knomeelfy, ochosi ^14:12
ochosistill the case with xfdesktop4.11.3?14:13
GridCubeits still there in the beta1 iso14:13
ochosioh14:13
ochosithat's not a bug in xfdesktop14:13
ochosii guess it's a bug in xubuntu-default-settings or something14:14
ochosicause xfdesktop isn't pointing to a folder with wallpapers14:14
knomeyep14:14
ochosiok, will do a merge-request/fix for that then14:14
jjfrv8Unit193, not sure what you mean by "that isn't actually opening the Applications Menu"14:15
ochosi(i think he meant applications-menu isn't the same as whiskermenu, but frankly i don't think that matters for users)14:16
ochosi(two different plugins with the same purpose, so if you refer to them functionally, it's the same)14:16
elfyGridCube: you doing that now?14:17
jjfrv8yeah, I wanted some feedback on the terminology we should be using now. Like do we ever actually want to refer to it as "Whisker Menu"14:17
jjfrv8the only time ppl will actually see that name is when they go into Properties14:17
GridCubeelfy, doing what14:18
elfyThis content is currently locked. If you take over, GridCube will be blocked from continuing to edit. 14:18
GridCubesorry14:19
GridCubeclosed the window14:19
ochosijjfrv8: yeah, i personally wouldn't refer to it as whiskermenu14:20
knomemaybe just refer to it as "menu"14:20
knometo avoid *any* ambiguity14:20
jjfrv8"main menu"?14:20
knomethat's the friendly name for menulibre in the settings manager14:20
jjfrv8I think Main Menu in SM is still alacarte, Menu Editor is MenuLibre14:21
knomeah, that14:22
knomebut anyway..14:22
knomeit's used14:22
elfydone both pages14:25
jjfrv8and speaking of that, we've got three different names for Settings Manager. the WM tooltip says "All Settings", the actual dialog says "Settings", the menu entry says "Settings Manager".14:26
knomeelfy, thanks14:26
* elfy has been putting off a trawl through testcases for Application Menu 14:27
ochosijjfrv8: probably worth an upstream bugreport14:27
jjfrv8ochosi, where should I file that?14:28
ochosijjfrv8: xfce4-settings on bugs.xfce.org. but i guess you need a full proposal on what to rename to what14:29
ochosiwho would quickly wanna test a proposed setting for 14.04? (it takes about 1min)14:29
GridCubein the topic of beta1 bugs, #128472014:29
knomebug 128472014:29
ubottubug 1284720 in Mugshot "mugshot fails at attempt to change avatar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128472014:29
jjfrv8ochosi, what you got to test?14:30
GridCubetoz pointed why it fails, and it seems we dont ship the preset faces anymore (they are there in 13.10)14:30
ochosirun "xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Gtk/IconSizes -s "gtk-button=16,16" in the terminal14:32
ochosijjfrv8: ^ (and all others interested)14:32
ochosithat is a setting i'd love to have in 14.04 by default14:33
ochosi(16px icons on buttons instead of the huge-ish 22px)14:33
jjfrv8doesn't look like it changed anything for me14:35
elfyGridCube: the thing is - where do we stop listing bugs? page 2 or 3 or 4 :)14:36
GridCubeoh14:36
GridCubei did not meant to list that on the news page, i just wanted for people to remember it exist P:14:37
elfyoic :)14:37
GridCubethe wallpaper one i find important 'cos we say we have new wallpaper but they wont see them14:37
* elfy still thinks that the gb keyboard one is important :)14:37
ochosijjfrv8: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-154344.php (proposed look)14:43
ochosijjfrv8: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-154410.php (current look)14:44
jjfrv8ah so. I agree. Looks nicer.14:45
ochosieveryone else, feel free to take a look at this ^ and try for yourselves14:46
ochosi(run "xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Gtk/IconSizes -s "gtk-button=16,16" in the terminal, to reset set it to 22,22)14:46
jjfrv8for similar reasons, I like to set whisker to "very small"14:48
GridCubeochosi, i notice that the X on close changes icons between each size14:48
GridCubeits prosible to have the bold X in the tiny icons?14:48
ochosijjfrv8: the categories are set to 16px in my proposal, apps to 24px14:48
ochosiGridCube: yeah, i'd try to improve that14:49
GridCubethe arrow remains basically the same14:49
GridCubei like the smaller button but the x looks not similar to the arrow14:49
ochosiwell don't focus too much on the "x" right now14:51
ochosiit changes all icons14:51
ochosijust try it14:51
ali1234omg14:52
ali1234sort out the vertical alignment14:52
ali1234this is not KDE...14:52
ochosiwhat are you referring to exactly?14:53
ali1234http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-154344.php14:54
ali1234icons are too high, text is too high14:54
ochosisay thanks to gtk214:54
ochosiand it's only 1px14:55
ali1234also text is too high relative to the icon14:55
ochosiso you prefer the huge icons?14:56
ali1234i prefer the one where the icons are in the right place, yes14:57
ali1234the text is too high on both14:57
ali1234it should be 1px lower relative to the icons in both14:57
ochosiyou're welcome to investigate that 1px, so far you seem to be the first person to notice/mention that14:58
ali1234actually i don't understand how the <- is even number of pixels tall and the X is odd number of pixels tall14:58
ali1234look at the middle of the <- - it is two pixels14:58
ochosiok, before everyone keeps commenting on the close-icon, here's a different screenshot: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-160003.php15:00
ali1234gah that's even worse15:00
ochosiit's the same alignment15:00
knomeali1234, patches welcome15:01
ali1234two pixels padding at the top 4 pixels at the bottom15:01
ochosigtk2 doesn't support that fine-grained-ness of theming15:02
ochosiyou can work around it by redrawing all icons from 16x16 to 16x15 possibly15:02
ochosi(or it might even be further off then)15:02
ali1234i don't know about that... all i know is orion draws the icons and the text in the right place15:02
ochosiand anyway, doesn't solve your problem with the font15:02
ali1234what font is that?15:03
ochosiDroid Sans 915:04
ochosiour default15:04
ali1234what icon set is it?15:05
ochosiorion has the same settings15:06
ali1234yeah, i just can't make my system look like your screenshot15:06
ali1234not even if i switch to greybird15:06
ali1234oh wait, yeah i can15:07
ali1234yeah that's definitely down to using a tiny font15:07
ochosiand it's only an "optical illusion" that the icon has a 1px offset15:08
lderanelfy, got that keyboard bug as well15:08
ochosiali1234: 4px above and below: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-160754.php15:08
ochosiali1234: it's just the bright inside border in greybird that makes it seem uncentererd15:08
ali1234right, so remove that15:08
ochosiright, no15:08
elfylderan: yep - saw that - I'd hazard a guess that anyone with a gb keyboard will15:08
ali1234from the icon i mean15:08
ochosiyeah then i can change that one icon15:09
ochosiwhat about the others?15:09
ochosialso: the white bottom border has a purpose15:09
ochosishould help the icon stand out on darker backgrounds15:09
ochosiand anyhoo, the font is still uncentered then (which it is anyways)15:09
ochosiwhat really makes that icon seem uncentered is the white inner border of the button15:11
ochosiali1234: you're using a different font-setup though anyways, right?15:21
ali1234probably15:21
ochosiif it consoles anyone, i'm not using this setup either15:22
ochosii'm using "xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Gtk/ButtonImages -s false"15:23
ochosijjfrv8, GridCube: in case you wanna test one more setting ^15:27
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elfyunsurprisingly elfy didn't see any change with any of them 15:29
elfyreally needs new glasses ... 15:29
ochosihihi15:30
jjfrv8ochosi, is that just supposed to set it back to the default of 22x22?15:30
jjfrv8oops, wait, didn't look closely enough15:31
ochosijjfrv8: it should hide the icons actually15:32
jjfrv8yeah, I'm having to type the commands and I didn't see the difference. I like the icons, though.15:33
ali1234ochosi: do you know anything about the monitors.xml and the monitor config panel?15:40
ali1234especially wrt bug 128361515:40
ubottubug 1283615 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "gnome-settings-daemon trashes monitor config" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128361515:40
ali1234eg where does the xfce config panel save the settings? and what applies them at startup? and does it get run inside the greeter?15:41
jjfrv8bb later for the meeting15:44
binaliGood Luck!15:44
ochosiali1234: you mean the display dialog? that's part of xfce4-settings, so xfsettingsd is applying the settings15:45
ochosiand no, it's not running in the greeter yet15:46
ali1234i'm going to try to figure out why all the output names are off by one15:46
GridCubesorry ochosi i had to close the beta1 virtual machine it was eating too much resources and i needed to catalogue some stuffs, can i test it in this machine (13.04)15:52
GridCube?15:52
GridCubeoh, that takes the icons off the buttons, i like that ochosi, but remember that the icons help people who has some sort of reading disparity15:53
GridCubes/has/have/15:54
brainwashGridCube: you should upgrade your 13.04 system :)15:55
GridCubeP: i will once 14.04 comes up15:55
brainwashfresh installation?15:56
elfyor fight upgrading an eol install :)15:56
GridCubeP: will probably be fresh, yes15:57
ochosiali1234: good idea, that doesn't happen with all drivers though. for me, it works with nouveau and is off by one with nvidia. display-settings work is fun!16:11
elfyGridCube: you know that 14.04 is pretty much solid as a rock anyway - then you could test things really easily :)16:20
GridCubemmm but the 14.04 vbox is stuck at 640x480 resolution, and to download the vbox addons i would have to figure out, again, how to mess with the internal settings so apt-get can actually bypass the proxy(given that there is no way to set up proxys in xubuntu) so, yeah, not gonna mess with that16:23
elfyochosi: is there a good reason why hotkeys in gmusicbrowser don't work on other workspaces? 16:23
elfyGridCube: oh - so you don't have xubuntu on hardware - I'd have kept quiet if I'd known that 16:23
GridCubeP:16:24
elfyGridCube: also - try getting a new vbox - works here now 16:24
GridCube:D16:24
ochosielfy: depends on what you mean. you can define hotkeys within gmusicbrowser, but afaik those need the window to have focus16:24
elfyyea - exactly what I mean16:24
ochosielfy: you can also define global keyboard-shortcuts for gmusicbrowser in the keyboard-settings16:24
GridCubethe vbox ihave is the only one IT will install for me16:24
ochosielfy: check "gmusicbrowser -listcmd" for the available commands16:24
elfyGridCube: aah - okay - I'll shut up then16:24
* GridCube goes to ot16:25
elfyochosi: thanks :)16:25
ochosielfy: no problem :)16:25
elfyochosi - thanks, got those going now16:37
crusadorI have a problem transferring complete files to an usb or hdd device with Emmabuntus2....sometimes the file is not totally transferd16:40
crusadorCan anyone help16:40
knomecrusador, we don't support emmabuntus 216:41
knomecrusador, and this is the development channel, not the support channel16:41
crusadorsorry im new in linux16:41
crusadorwhere can i get help16:42
knomecrusador, http://forums.emmabuntus.org/16:44
crusadorthank you so much16:44
crusadorits not working...but thank you anyway16:47
knomeyou should ask for help from any emmabuntus support channel, or whatever they are offering16:47
knomewe're unable to support derivatives that base on our system, because we don't know what kind of changes they might or might not have done16:48
crusadori got it thanks16:48
ochosimeeting in 1hr or in 2?17:00
knome217:00
* ochosi is a bit confused right now17:00
ochosiok17:00
* knome slaps ochosi 17:00
knomedoes that help with the confusion?17:00
ochosii guess not17:01
knomehah17:01
ochosiin case i forget to announce that later, lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings is pretty much ready now17:01
ochosi(UI to configure every aspect of the greeter, incl. the position of the login-window)17:01
GridCubeo:17:02
GridCubethats awesome17:02
ochosihopefully we can get it in with a FFe17:03
brainwashochosi: how do you launch it, so it can actually change the config file owned by root?17:04
ochosipkexec17:05
brainwashok17:05
ochosithe desktop-file will just contain that17:05
ochosiso like synaptic, it'll spawn a pwd-dialog17:05
brainwashsounds great :)17:06
ochosiit is :)17:06
slickymasterWorkochosi: just installed light-locker settings lderan did but when I try to run it I get ->Unable to start /usr/bin/light-locker-settings. Failed to execute child process /usr/bin/light-locker-settings (No such file or directory)17:08
ochosislickymaster: you installed it from the PPA?17:09
ochosigah17:09
ochosislickymasterWork: 17:09
ochosi^17:09
slickymasterWorknopes, downloaded the tar and installed it17:10
slickymasterWorkon B117:10
ochosithen you messed that up :)17:10
ochosijust use the PPA17:10
slickymasterWorkhow come?17:10
ochosii guess you'd have had to use parameters, frankly, i never installed it manually17:11
slickymasterWorkI build it and then istall it17:11
ochosiwhen testing it, i just ran it from the folder without installing17:11
slickymasterWorkwhat are the parameters?17:11
ochosias i just said...17:11
ochosii wouldn't know17:11
slickymasterWorkok17:12
brainwashwhere did you install it?17:12
ochosiyou can also try to locate the binary17:12
ochosimaybe it ended up in /usr/local/bin17:12
brainwashthe executable is apparently not where it should be17:12
slickymasterWorkhmm, nopes17:13
slickymasterWorkno wait, you're right, It went to /usr/local(bin/17:15
ochosithen "--prefix=/usr" would solve that problem most likely17:15
slickymasterWorkyeaps, it did solve it17:16
slickymasterWorkochosi: the PREFIX value in the configure file is set to /usr/local17:18
slickymasterWorkthat's most likely the culprit17:18
ochosislickymasterWork: that's normal, if you build and install more stuff by hand you'll notice17:19
slickymasterWorkochosi: confirmed. I've edited it to /usr and it's working as expected17:20
ochosibbl17:20
lderanslickymasterWork, huzzah for it working as expected17:21
brainwashhow did you try to launch it? via app menu?17:22
slickymasterWorklderan: the font color adverting to restart the session when you change the settings it's practicably unreadable. It's to light17:23
slickymasterWorkbrainwash: via settings manager17:23
brainwashmmh, so the binary path is hardcoded?17:24
brainwashinside the .desktop file I mean17:25
ali1234xfce4-settings won't build on trusty17:26
GridCubehow would i test this patch? http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?id=05adaa59dbedd89b3e0ae6001ff367572c1be7d217:29
GridCubewhat i have to do? (installing the guest addintions did show some results http://goput.it/b71i.png )17:30
GridCubebut the non-active wallpapers are invisible until you clic on them17:30
GridCubealso i don't see the community wallpapers, are they to be installed separadetly?17:30
lderanslickymasterWork, that bit appears fine for me, might be a theme issue. We're making a change to one of the sliders so will take a look at that :)17:31
slickymasterWorklderan: this is with Greybird and elementary Xfce darker17:33
GridCubeok, im want to answer in the lp bug report but i do not know how to apply the patch :/17:35
lderanthanks17:35
ochosiweird, so ppl are experiencing random problems with infobar-theming in greybird18:24
ochosialso read that wrt the greeter18:24
ochosi(if you enter a wrong password, an infobar, that should be red, pops up)18:24
ochosisucky part is i can't reproduce it18:25
GridCubeochosi, let me see18:27
GridCubeochosi, http://goput.it/z4zk.png18:28
ali1234hah, i see the problem18:38
ali1234(with display settings)18:38
ochosii'll be 15mins late for the meeting...18:50
ali1234mr_pouit: you broke the monitor settings :P18:52
ali1234(4 years ago)18:55
ali1234https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1071719:08
ubottubugzilla.xfce.org bug 10717 in Display Settings "Display settings mixes up monitor EDID names" [Normal,New]19:08
Noskcajo/19:09
ochosiso what's with the meeting now?19:21
dockelleyWas it scheduled to start 20 minutes ago, or did I get the time wrong?19:22
ochosiyup, it ws19:22
ochosiwas19:22
ochosiwho's around? just to see whether it makes sense to have one19:22
jjfrv8-worko/19:22
Noskcajo/19:23
Noskcajknome?19:23
ochosi(if enough ppl are around, i can chair, but i need a few minutes to read up on the bot commands and the agenda...)19:23
elfy!team | meeting19:23
ubottumeeting: bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, mr_pouit, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit19319:23
elfyI'm about 19:23
slickymastero/19:24
slickymasterdid everyone forgot the meeting?19:24
ochosimaybe it wasn't added to the calendar or not announced vocally enough...19:25
elfyno idea how to add it to the calendar19:26
slickymasterI think Unit193 did it19:26
ochosinot sure how it is with you guys, but we can also wait a little longer to see whether more people come around19:27
elfynothing to stop us 19:28
elfyI'm cool with that ochosi 19:28
jjfrv8-workme too19:28
dockelleyno worries19:28
ochosiok, let's check back in 30mins?19:28
elfyokey doke19:29
dockelleywhile we're waiting, is Beta1 going to drop today?19:29
elfyslickymaster: someone did - it's on the calendaty19:29
slickymasterI'll start on dinner prep in the meanwhile19:29
elfysigh19:29
elfycalendar19:29
elfydockelley: will be released soon19:29
dockelley:-)19:29
slickymasterI could bet that was Unit193 who did it elfy 19:30
elfyyea :)19:30
elfydockelley: you can get it if you want anyway - just grab it from the iso tracker19:30
dockelleythanks19:30
elfyhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds19:31
ochosiali1234: in your bugreport "all unconnected outputs" means monitors that arent attached with a cable to the computer but were connected in the past?19:31
ali1234no, it means all outputs regardless of whether they've ever been connected or not19:31
ali1234it only knows the current state19:32
ochosioutputs == connectors? (hdmi, dvi, vga, etc)19:32
ali1234yes19:32
ochosiah ok19:32
ali1234xrandr deals with connectors and it uses the edid to get the monitor name19:32
ochosibut doesn't that mean ppl could try to activate an output where there's no cable?19:32
ali1234yes it does19:32
ali1234i am not familiar enough with the code to provide a real fix19:32
ali1234not yet anyway19:33
ochosii'd consider that a bit of a backdraww19:33
ochosimkay19:33
ochosiwell, you've pinpointed the problem nicely19:33
ochosiit's been a longer while that i've had a look at the display code19:35
ochosibluesabre also worked on it19:35
slickymasterafk19:44
schproodleQATracker: Transmission in Xubuntu Desktop for Trusty Daily.  How do I submit a bug report for Transmission -- link 'File a bug' giveThis product doesn't have detailed bug reporting instructions yet.'s 'show19:52
elfyubuntu-bug19:52
elfyubuntu-bug packagename19:53
micahgdid someone say meeting?19:54
ochosielfy: do you still consistently get the problem with the unreadable infobar in the greeter (when entering a wrong password)?19:54
ochosihey micahg 19:54
micahghi ochosi 19:55
elfyochosi: funnily enough I looked a short while ago - still hardly readable19:55
elfyhi micahg 19:55
ochosielfy: hmmm :/ can't reproduce it though19:55
ochosimicahg: we decided to wait a bit since there was only 5 of us around at the actual meeting time19:56
ochosimicahg: btw, may i poke you to merge the remaining requests to the seed and upload it?19:56
Noskcajmicahg, what should i be working on in preparation for next time i apply for MOTU?19:56
ochosimicahg: there are also two -default-settings merge-requests that need merging..19:56
micahgochosi: sure, but most likely slammed until Monday19:59
micahgNoskcaj: I'd suggest trying to be more aware of the impact of your uploads as well as being able to test build uploads more effectively20:00
micahgochosi: ok, I've seen quite a few things come into my mailbox20:00
micahgI'll see if I can squeeze anything in20:01
micahgbut that probably won't be until the weekend20:01
ochosimicahg: okeydokey, well the changes are quite easy to review, if you can at least merge them we can look for sponsors20:01
schproodleelfy, got it. Bug #1285843  Thanks.20:01
ubottubug 1285843 in transmission (Ubuntu) "Queue selections do not move torrents" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128584320:01
elfyguess we should call the whole thing off then 20:04
ochosi:/20:05
ochosiyeah, seems like it20:05
ochosii'll be around a while longer, taking a break now20:05
ochosiso in case ppl wanna do a spontaneous meeting in another hour, that's still possible for me20:05
elfynothing to stop us doing it - but it seems a bit pointless if we can't do more than chat - we can do that without meetingbot :) 20:06
Noskcajmicahg, I've test built everything for about two months now, and my internet might be improving soon, so i'd be able to do more/bigger merges20:06
ali1234who's on the agenda?20:06
micahgNoskcaj: there were some comments about missing dependencies once uploads happened, if you've addressed that, that's great20:07
ochosiali1234: there's a few things carried forward from last time20:07
* slickymaster is going to take advantage from the fact that the meeting is postponed and is going to finish making dinner20:08
ochosiali1234: what's the status of the gtk3 indicators stack?20:08
slickymasterawf20:08
ali1234well for my part: the gtk3 stuff is progressing on unity side, there are some branches here from ted: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted20:08
ali1234looks like he added the stuff for all the other sessions as we discussed with him the other day20:08
Noskcajmicahg, Yep. I've addressed that, although only recently i realized i should be checking  syncs for added depends that are non-main20:08
ali1234so we're now waiting for those to be merged20:09
ochosicool, that's good news20:09
ali1234i think we need to make some changes in the indicator plugin to make it run the upstart event20:09
ochosihmm, again?20:09
ali1234yes, unfortunately, but it's a 1 liner20:09
ochosithat blows a bit20:09
ochosiah ok20:10
ochosithat could even go in as a patch, without andrzejr doing a new release20:10
* elfy is wandering off into the dark for a bit 20:10
ali1234yes, and that may be more appropriate depending on what other distros want (if they even use it)20:10
ochosiyeah, i mean the whole plugin is a bit ubuntu-centric anyway...20:10
ochosialthough i've read of arch users20:10
ali1234i actually added it once already but i don't think i saved the patch20:10
ali1234it's easy anyway20:10
ochosiwell you could stash the patch in a bugreport already somewhere and link it to the features blueprint20:11
ochosithat way it can also be applied if you wouldn't be here for one reason or another20:11
ali1234ok, i'll do that20:11
ochosithanks!20:11
ali1234same patch might be needed in the greeter20:12
ochosifwiw, i took a very close look at Orion, and it displaces the 16px icons on buttons by 1px, so it's actually centered there20:12
ali1234heh20:12
ochosihmm, is it for sure that we'll need that patch in the greeter?20:12
ochosicause we're planning a bugfix release tonight20:12
ali1234i'm not sure20:12
ochosiso it'd be pretty good timing20:12
ochosiok20:12
ochosithen i guess we'll wait20:12
ali1234depends how you currently run the indicators20:12
ochosisame as unity greeter20:13
ali1234hmm20:13
ali1234well, how is that?20:13
ali1234unity-greeter was patched20:13
micahgNoskcaj: check-mir is a nice script for that20:14
ochosiali1234: this is the init: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/view/head:/src/lightdm-gtk-greeter.c#L36820:14
Noskcajoh,cool. Didn't know about that script20:14
micahgI have a question, I dropped the ball on this, but I was wondering if the gtk3 indicator stuff made it in20:14
ochosiali1234: when was unity-greeter patched?20:14
ochosimicahg: yup, it's all in20:14
micahggreat news20:14
ali1234ochosi: ok, so shell init and send an event? yes that's the correct way20:14
micahgthanks20:14
knomeemmmh, yeah20:15
knomesomething distracted me, and couldn't be around20:15
knomedid you get anything discussed?20:15
ali1234ochosi: this is the unity-greeter patch, it's identical: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/unity-greeter/upstart-indicators/+merge/19293620:15
ochosimicahg: yup, we also got upstream releases of the panel and the indicator-plugin20:15
ochosiali1234: yup, our greeter indicator-loading was refreshed quite recently, that's why i wanted to know. it works nicely currently20:15
ali1234ochosi: same thing needs to go into the plugin too, so we use upstart instead of xdg-autostart20:16
ochosiok, i see20:16
ali1234if it hasn't already gone in that is20:16
ochosihaven't checked the plugin in a while20:16
ochosiknome: we just talked a bit about the gtk3 indicator status20:17
ochosi(that was one of the carried-forward items on the meeting agenda)20:18
ochosifor those of you who want to test the settings dialog for lightdm-gtk-greeter, there are packages for trusty here: https://launchpad.net/~kalgasnik/+archive/ppa20:19
ochosiwe'll hopefully be able to set up a proper PPA soon20:19
knomeokay20:20
ochosifwiw, this is the project: https://launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings20:20
ali1234elfy:  i noticed my keyboard layout went funny today20:29
elfyoh good 20:29
ali1234it was set to UK + extended winkeys which means my backquote key was acting strange20:29
elfymmm - mine was set to US 20:29
elfylderan saw the same thing20:30
ali1234in the settings there is layout and then sub-variant20:30
ali1234there's no "default" variant so i had to select the top level layout which is kind of weird20:30
ali1234i dunno if this is related20:30
ali1234i might have just made a mistake while installing20:31
elfyyea - I pick the top level - no idea if it's related 20:31
ali1234i haven't tried the installer recently20:31
tryxchatqatracker xchat test message20:37
elfythanks tryxchat - someone reads my mails then :)20:38
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wickscherrycokethe 20:39
elfywill be back if they follow it properly :p20:41
elfy:)20:41
a5m0dangit, mpv requires ndividia restricted? but i want to keep nouveau :(20:55
schproodleelfy, seems you met my friend tryxchat -- don't know about mails though :)21:08
ochosihm, the whole kb layout thing is odd21:20
ochosithere is a patch for the greeter to add kb-layout support, but we're past feature-freeze now...21:20
elfyochosi: had a look at the lightdm settings thing - will look properly tomorrow21:22
ochosiok cool21:22
ochosithanks elfy 21:22
elfywell - I have really had enough of today - night all21:22
elfywelcome ochosi :)21:22
schproodleelfy, tks21:23
ochosiali1234: what bothers me more than the 1px offset in the gtk2 buttons is the cut bottom part of buttons in gtk3 :/21:25
ochosii've dug around enough to produce a workaround, but it's fugly21:26
pleia2sorry I missed the meeting :( thought I'd make it, but my cold disagreed21:27
ochosiactually there wasn't one21:27
ochosithat is, you weren't the only one missing it ;)21:28
pleia2so I see :)21:28
Unit193slickymaster: If you'd have placed a bet, you'd be a richer man. :P21:46
ochosiknome: should we re-schedule the missed meeting for tomorrow?21:46
knomethat's not better for me21:47
ochosidifferent time?21:47
knomedifferent time works, but is there something that needs to be done/discussed before next thursday?21:48
ochosinot sure, there are a few items on the agenda21:48
ochosiwe could theoretically resolve some of them without a meeting as well i guess21:48
knomesure21:49
knomei'd imagine somewhat many people are around now21:49
slickymasterUnit193: I knew it was a safe bet21:49
Unit193slickymaster: I did ping you with the link afterall. :P21:50
slickymasterdid you get to saw revision 149 of my MP?21:50
ochosiknome: i'm not against doing an impromptu one now if you want ;)21:50
schproodleqatracker: Light-locker in Xubuntu Desktop for Trusty Daily -- xscreensaver seems to lock screen.  Whatis/whereis light-locker21:50
ochosischproodle: you have to purge xscreensaver21:52
knomeochosi, well start a discussion... ;)21:52
schproodleok21:52
slickymasterUnit193: did you get to saw revision 149 of my MP?21:54
schproodleochosi, got it, thanks21:54
Unit193slickymaster: Not yet, will soon.21:58
ochosianyone else here who can confirm this visual bugin the greeter? http://goput.it/z4zk.png21:59
ochosiasking cause i can't reproduce it but i have a patch that needs testing...21:59
ochosi(explanation: enter wrong password in the 14.04 greeter, red(!) infobar pops up telling you you entered a wrong password)22:00
ochosi(in this screenshot it's obviously white, which is bad and unintended)22:00
schproodlehowto do a Ctrl+Alt+F7 in vm Virtualbox to test light-locker22:01
ochosischproodle: you need to use the virtual-box modifier key22:01
ochosi(i think by default right ctrl)22:02
schproodleok I will try that one22:02
ochosiso right-ctrl + f722:03
ochosi(the modifier key is displayed in the right bottom corner of the virtualbox window/statusbar)22:03
schproodleright-ctrl is a sub for ctrl+alt ??22:09
ochosiin the virtualbox-window, yes22:10
schproodleright-ctrl + f7 did not seem to do anything eh22:10
ochosiwell i have no clue what modifier-key you use22:10
schproodleochosi, OK thanks :)22:11
brainwashochosi: yes, with the greybird version installed by the shimmer-themes package22:15
brainwashwait a minute.. I already told you that some days ago :)22:16
ochosibrainwash: great!22:16
ochosiwell, i was asking whether anyone was *around* with that bug :)22:16
ochosianyhoo, i can pastebin the diff in a few secs22:16
brainwashI fixed it by adding some code from git8master22:16
brainwashgit/master22:17
brainwashok22:17
brainwashIt was this block which I've copied from upstream https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/blob/master/gtk-3.0/gtk-widgets.css#L10722:18
brainwashno clue why it was broken in the first place and why this change magically fixed it22:19
ochosiwait, last time you said that you already had the stuff from that commit local22:19
brainwashuhm, I copied the linked block over to the greybird theme provided by the shimmer-themes package (trusty)22:20
ochosiah ok22:21
ochosistill, weird that that worked22:21
brainwashusually I use the git version, so I've never noticed this issue22:21
ochosiand light-locker-settings also works for you (the infobar)?22:22
brainwashI did not test it yet22:22
brainwashso where is your pastebin diff? :)22:23
ochosiwell if the git-master version fixes things, then there's no need for additional changes22:24
ochosi(pastebin would've been here, but it's useless now i guess: http://dpaste.com/1667584/ )22:24
ochosii'll just ask elfy to update to greybird from git and test that again tomorrow22:24
ochosiif he confirms it's fixed, i can cross that one off my list22:25
brainwashthe strange thing is that the upstream commit has been added some days ago, but the infobar looked fine before that also (git/master)22:26
ochosiyeah, that's why i wanted to try this patch22:27
ochosibut anyway, i'll have to wait for elfy or Gridcube then22:27
ochosibrainwash: i'm wondering why that gtk3 cut buttons is bugging you less than me...22:32
brainwashochosi: bigger fonts is the secret :) this way you never see cut buttons22:34
ochosithat's a very fugly workaround22:34
brainwashif you don't see it, it won't bug you :P22:34
ochosihttp://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-233419.php22:34
ochositry to do this with bigger fonts ^22:34
ochosistill ugly22:34
ochosialso, i'd have to bump droid sans to 11(!) for the bug to disappear22:35
brainwashthe gnome guys will fix it soon, they'll simply remove the buttons and call it an improvement22:35
ochosii'm afraid they won't fix it because it doesn't affect them22:36
brainwashdid they add some magic to their default theme?22:36
ochosino idea, the adwaita engine seems to work around that22:36
ochosialso, using svg/png assets for the buttons also fixes it22:37
ochosieven unico doesn't expose the bug22:37
ochosi(which is why ubuntu folks aren't seeing it)22:37
brainwash:(22:37
brainwashsilly_cut_buttons22:38
ochosiyeah, that's a fugly workaround22:39
ochosii'm working on a better one right now22:39
ochosihuhu22:41
ochosibumping only the button-font looks fun: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-234144.php22:41
ochosi(and works)22:42
schproodlecan't find light-locker-setting for testing22:49
ochosiit's still only available from a PPA: https://launchpad.net/~light-locker-settings-team/+archive/stable22:49
ochosistuck in upload-queue22:50
schproodleochosi, should I test with the ppa?22:51
ochosischproodle: yes, please22:51
schproodleoh, I see elfy's mail-archive message22:52
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