[00:41] <pleia2> added german and revised french translations of the startubuntu flyer to http://xubuntu.org/marketingresources/ \o/
[00:41] <pleia2> ooh, there's a danish one too /me adds
[01:08] <knome> aha
[07:11] <ochosi> Unit193: seemingly not, this is the place it checks for global default configurations of the plugin. best to submit an issue on github about it
[07:17] <Unit193> No GH account. :P
[07:26] <elfy> knome and anyone else interested - beta 1 is now marked ready
[08:43] <Unit193> Howdy, cub.
[08:43] <cub> Morning!
[09:13] <Unit193> jjfrv8: Line 50 of your merge proposal, that isn't actually opening the Applications Menu if we do go with whiskermenu.
[09:15] <Unit193> (Also, not just indicators but notification area too, but that's even more minor.)
[10:26] <elfy> knome: I've done draft announcements - I assumed you wanted 2 - the pad made it look like that to me
[10:29] <starrats> just let you all know that just finished update/upgrade/dist-upgrade and now a new one popped in term about not needing certain items and to do apt-get autoremove and all wen quite well.
[10:50] <starrats> Just a question, are the little notes that I tell you here bother or help you as a user coming here?  
[10:51] <elfy> they don't bother me - but I tend to skim them unless there's an issue :)
[10:51] <elfy> they might bother other people though ;)
[10:54] <starrats> ah okay if they bother then I won't relay them unless it becomes and issue but then it's usually to late, at least for me
[10:55] <elfy> well we are working on the dev version - so any issues either should have or need a bug report, regardless of whether it's too late for you or not
[12:01] <schproodle> What does 'ready' mean here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds
[12:02] <schproodle> 'Upgrade Xubuntu i386 (ready)'
[12:03] <elfy> that it is marked as ready for release
[12:04] <schproodle> elfy, What other testing for xubuntu should I explore?
[12:05] <elfy> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases
[12:06] <elfy> packages if you want - specifically the Xubuntu Networking and Xubuntu Trusty Additional groups at the bottom
[12:13] <slickymasterWork> schproodle: what elfy is referring to is http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases
[12:13] <slickymasterWork> ups, elfy already had provided you the link
[12:14] <schproodle> Yes, thanks.
[12:26] <schproodle> Wish I could get the Guest Additions installed on vm -- lousy 640 x 480 resolution.  Doesn't seem to work on 14.04 vm.
[12:31] <slickymasterWork> schproodle: what virtualization software are you using?
[12:31] <slickymasterWork> Oracle VirtualBox?
[12:32] <knome> elfy, one for the blog, one as the full notes in the wiki
[12:32] <schproodle> yes, seems to work for Debian vm but not for 14.04
[12:32] <slickymasterWork> what version?
[12:33] <slickymasterWork> is it 4.3.8?
[12:33] <slickymasterWork> and what VBGuestAdditions version are you using?
[12:34] <schproodle> 4.2.16 on 13.10
[12:35] <slickymasterWork> schproodle: you have to update them. Thing is your VBoxGuestAdditions version doesn't recognize the latest release of X.Org Server, which is now 1.15 in Trusty, so they fail to install
[12:35] <schproodle> 4.2.16_86992
[12:36] <slickymasterWork> schproodle: ^^
[12:36] <schproodle> right, do I have to upgrade vbox too
[12:37] <slickymasterWork> I would advise to do so
[12:38] <schproodle> that is the one in the respository for 13.10 however.  Sorry, I am not more adroit.
[12:42] <slickymasterWork> schproodle: you can download VirtualBox 4.3.8 for Linux from https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads. Just make sure you download the right file for your architecture (32bit or 64bit)
[12:44] <schproodle> yes, I just found that.  got the deb 
[12:46] <slickymasterWork> ok, once downloaded all you have to do is to navigate into the folder where you downloaded, open a terminal there and run sudo dpkg -i <file_name>.deb
[12:47] <schproodle> seems I have to remove guest additions first however
[12:47] <schproodle> the old version  Using synaptic to clear out the old vbox
[12:48] <schproodle> I will get the new Guest stuff but there is another addition for usb, can't remember
[12:53] <schproodle> extension pack?? 
[13:00] <elfy> knome: don't understand what you mean
[13:03] <knome> elfy, the release *announcment* is meant for the blog
[13:03] <knome> elfy, the release *notes* are meant for the wiki, along with the usual common infrastructure -changes
[13:05] <elfy> oic 
[13:06] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Beta1 or something 
[13:06] <knome> well something in those lines
[13:07] <elfy> without the roadmap bits :p
[13:07] <knome> lol
[13:07] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu/Beta1
[13:07] <elfy> anyway - I hate fighting the stupid wiki
[13:07] <knome> hmm wait
[13:07] <knome> hah
[13:07] <knome> leave that to me then ;)
[13:07] <knome> not that...
[13:07] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Beta1/Xubuntu
[13:07] <knome> that
[13:10] <knome> did the first version of that
[13:10] <elfy> yep
[13:11] <elfy> I'll do the bug links if you like
[13:11] <knome> nah, i'm on it
[13:11] <elfy> ok
[13:12] <elfy> knome: the announcement just needs the torrent/download links when we get them - and you to decide you don't like the way it looks :)
[13:15] <knome> does the users-admin bug actually stop you from adding a new user?
[13:16] <knome> also, is the USC bug happening every time?
[13:16] <elfy> user-admins lets you add user and set it up
[13:17] <elfy> and I doubt it for USC
[13:17] <knome> so, what's the crash?
[13:17] <knome> just crashes after it has added the user?
[13:17] <elfy> but then the keyboard one won't affect anyone other than people with a gb layout
[13:17] <elfy> yea - crashes after close of it seemingly
[13:19] <knome> ok, just updated the wikipage
[13:19] <knome> check if those are accurate descriptions
[13:19] <elfy> not easy to decide which to mention - the kbd one affects me - the network share one I'd not take any notice of
[13:19] <elfy> looking
[13:19] <knome> well at least we have now user-understandable descriptions to look at
[13:19] <knome> and decide
[13:20] <knome> updated
[13:20] <knome> s/GB/British/
[13:20] <elfy> Thunar doesn't automatically removable - missing mount
[13:21] <elfy> Both xscreensaver light-locker are active - missing and
[13:22] <knome> feel free to edit :P
[13:22] <knome> i've dropped the edit lock
[13:22] <elfy> thought you still had lock :)
[13:22] <elfy> well you did when I looked lol
[13:23] <elfy> ok - all done then 
[13:24] <knome> ok, good
[13:24] <slickymaster> Unit193: changed the changelog according to what we discussed -> See revision 149
[13:24] <knome> now should look at the announcement
[13:25] <slickymaster> Unit193: I think is good to be merged now
[13:26] <knome> hmm, yeah...
[13:26]  * knome drops "new wallpaper" from the notes
[13:26] <knome> we don't have that yet :P
[13:29] <knome> elfy, which issues do we want to pick for the announcement?
[13:29] <knome> i'm not sure if there is actually any *really annoying* one
[13:29] <knome> looking at the list we have in the notes
[13:30] <knome> except maybe the xsreensaver/light-locker one, but that's only on suspend
[13:30] <elfy> well - everyone will get the xfdesktop one
[13:30] <elfy> thunar and usb's has been going on for ages so ... 
[13:30] <knome> yah
[13:30] <knome> maybe those
[13:31] <elfy> probably just the new ones - xfdesktop, network shares, xscreensaver/light-locker and a special mention for anyone with a gb keybord lol
[13:31] <knome> nah, i think that's fine not in the annoucement :P
[13:31] <elfy> :p
[13:32] <knome> so shares
[13:32] <knome> m
[13:32] <elfy> yea - just the 3 I'd say - it links to release notes 
[13:32] <knome> 3? :P
[13:32] <knome> oh
[13:32] <knome> yeah....
[13:32] <elfy> :)
[13:32] <knome> i'm messing up with the annoucement
[13:34] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/?p=2152&preview=true
[13:34] <elfy> looks
[13:34] <knome> thinking some subheadings could do good for that :P
[13:35] <knome> updated
[13:35] <elfy> highlights and known issues  
[13:35] <knome> further udpated
[13:35] <elfy> I was just about to say that lol
[13:36] <elfy> yea that looks ok to me 
[13:36] <knome> yep, now just need the download links
[13:36] <elfy> yep 
[13:36] <elfy> first one to see them edit and publish?
[13:36] <knome> worksforme
[13:36] <knome> well,
[13:36] <knome> publish only after it's official ;)
[13:37] <knome> but yep, that's what we should do
[13:37] <elfy> yea of course
[13:37]  * knome goes poking the wiki, need to include the common known issues
[13:41] <knome> ok, the wiki should be in order
[13:42] <knome> ...and changed the link on the announcement to the correct url
[13:43] <elfy> thanks
[13:43] <knome> back to reading irc logs
[13:44] <elfy> lol
[14:05] <GridCube> elfy, knome, shouldnt it point the issue with no wallpapers shown in xfdesktop settings manager? i mean we are saying that there are new wallpapers avialable but people wont be able to find them
[14:10] <knome> GridCube, can you confirm that bug is still in beta1?
[14:11] <GridCube> yes
[14:11] <knome> is there a bug report for it?
[14:11] <GridCube> there is
[14:11] <knome> can you link us to that, and we'll make sure it's in the annoucement/notes
[14:11] <knome> i need to do some commercial work for a bit
[14:11] <GridCube> getting it
[14:11] <knome> bbiab
[14:11] <GridCube> here knome https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfdesktop/+bug/1271713
[14:12] <knome> elfy, ochosi ^
[14:13] <ochosi> still the case with xfdesktop4.11.3?
[14:13] <GridCube> its still there in the beta1 iso
[14:13] <ochosi> oh
[14:13] <ochosi> that's not a bug in xfdesktop
[14:14] <ochosi> i guess it's a bug in xubuntu-default-settings or something
[14:14] <ochosi> cause xfdesktop isn't pointing to a folder with wallpapers
[14:14] <knome> yep
[14:14] <ochosi> ok, will do a merge-request/fix for that then
[14:15] <jjfrv8> Unit193, not sure what you mean by "that isn't actually opening the Applications Menu"
[14:16] <ochosi> (i think he meant applications-menu isn't the same as whiskermenu, but frankly i don't think that matters for users)
[14:16] <ochosi> (two different plugins with the same purpose, so if you refer to them functionally, it's the same)
[14:17] <elfy> GridCube: you doing that now?
[14:17] <jjfrv8> yeah, I wanted some feedback on the terminology we should be using now. Like do we ever actually want to refer to it as "Whisker Menu"
[14:17] <jjfrv8> the only time ppl will actually see that name is when they go into Properties
[14:18] <GridCube> elfy, doing what
[14:18] <elfy> This content is currently locked. If you take over, GridCube will be blocked from continuing to edit. 
[14:19] <GridCube> sorry
[14:19] <GridCube> closed the window
[14:20] <ochosi> jjfrv8: yeah, i personally wouldn't refer to it as whiskermenu
[14:20] <knome> maybe just refer to it as "menu"
[14:20] <knome> to avoid *any* ambiguity
[14:20] <jjfrv8> "main menu"?
[14:20] <knome> that's the friendly name for menulibre in the settings manager
[14:21] <jjfrv8> I think Main Menu in SM is still alacarte, Menu Editor is MenuLibre
[14:22] <knome> ah, that
[14:22] <knome> but anyway..
[14:22] <knome> it's used
[14:25] <elfy> done both pages
[14:26] <jjfrv8> and speaking of that, we've got three different names for Settings Manager. the WM tooltip says "All Settings", the actual dialog says "Settings", the menu entry says "Settings Manager".
[14:26] <knome> elfy, thanks
[14:27]  * elfy has been putting off a trawl through testcases for Application Menu 
[14:27] <ochosi> jjfrv8: probably worth an upstream bugreport
[14:28] <jjfrv8> ochosi, where should I file that?
[14:29] <ochosi> jjfrv8: xfce4-settings on bugs.xfce.org. but i guess you need a full proposal on what to rename to what
[14:29] <ochosi> who would quickly wanna test a proposed setting for 14.04? (it takes about 1min)
[14:29] <GridCube> in the topic of beta1 bugs, #1284720
[14:29] <knome> bug 1284720
[14:30] <jjfrv8> ochosi, what you got to test?
[14:30] <GridCube> toz pointed why it fails, and it seems we dont ship the preset faces anymore (they are there in 13.10)
[14:32] <ochosi> run "xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Gtk/IconSizes -s "gtk-button=16,16" in the terminal
[14:32] <ochosi> jjfrv8: ^ (and all others interested)
[14:33] <ochosi> that is a setting i'd love to have in 14.04 by default
[14:33] <ochosi> (16px icons on buttons instead of the huge-ish 22px)
[14:35] <jjfrv8> doesn't look like it changed anything for me
[14:36] <elfy> GridCube: the thing is - where do we stop listing bugs? page 2 or 3 or 4 :)
[14:36] <GridCube> oh
[14:37] <GridCube> i did not meant to list that on the news page, i just wanted for people to remember it exist P:
[14:37] <elfy> oic :)
[14:37] <GridCube> the wallpaper one i find important 'cos we say we have new wallpaper but they wont see them
[14:37]  * elfy still thinks that the gb keyboard one is important :)
[14:43] <ochosi> jjfrv8: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-154344.php (proposed look)
[14:44] <ochosi> jjfrv8: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-154410.php (current look)
[14:45] <jjfrv8> ah so. I agree. Looks nicer.
[14:46] <ochosi> everyone else, feel free to take a look at this ^ and try for yourselves
[14:46] <ochosi> (run "xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Gtk/IconSizes -s "gtk-button=16,16" in the terminal, to reset set it to 22,22)
[14:48] <jjfrv8> for similar reasons, I like to set whisker to "very small"
[14:48] <GridCube> ochosi, i notice that the X on close changes icons between each size
[14:48] <GridCube> its prosible to have the bold X in the tiny icons?
[14:48] <ochosi> jjfrv8: the categories are set to 16px in my proposal, apps to 24px
[14:49] <ochosi> GridCube: yeah, i'd try to improve that
[14:49] <GridCube> the arrow remains basically the same
[14:49] <GridCube> i like the smaller button but the x looks not similar to the arrow
[14:51] <ochosi> well don't focus too much on the "x" right now
[14:51] <ochosi> it changes all icons
[14:51] <ochosi> just try it
[14:52] <ali1234> omg
[14:52] <ali1234> sort out the vertical alignment
[14:52] <ali1234> this is not KDE...
[14:53] <ochosi> what are you referring to exactly?
[14:54] <ali1234> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-154344.php
[14:54] <ali1234> icons are too high, text is too high
[14:54] <ochosi> say thanks to gtk2
[14:55] <ochosi> and it's only 1px
[14:55] <ali1234> also text is too high relative to the icon
[14:56] <ochosi> so you prefer the huge icons?
[14:57] <ali1234> i prefer the one where the icons are in the right place, yes
[14:57] <ali1234> the text is too high on both
[14:57] <ali1234> it should be 1px lower relative to the icons in both
[14:58] <ochosi> you're welcome to investigate that 1px, so far you seem to be the first person to notice/mention that
[14:58] <ali1234> actually i don't understand how the <- is even number of pixels tall and the X is odd number of pixels tall
[14:58] <ali1234> look at the middle of the <- - it is two pixels
[15:00] <ochosi> ok, before everyone keeps commenting on the close-icon, here's a different screenshot: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-160003.php
[15:00] <ali1234> gah that's even worse
[15:00] <ochosi> it's the same alignment
[15:01] <knome> ali1234, patches welcome
[15:01] <ali1234> two pixels padding at the top 4 pixels at the bottom
[15:02] <ochosi> gtk2 doesn't support that fine-grained-ness of theming
[15:02] <ochosi> you can work around it by redrawing all icons from 16x16 to 16x15 possibly
[15:02] <ochosi> (or it might even be further off then)
[15:02] <ali1234> i don't know about that... all i know is orion draws the icons and the text in the right place
[15:02] <ochosi> and anyway, doesn't solve your problem with the font
[15:03] <ali1234> what font is that?
[15:04] <ochosi> Droid Sans 9
[15:04] <ochosi> our default
[15:05] <ali1234> what icon set is it?
[15:06] <ochosi> orion has the same settings
[15:06] <ali1234> yeah, i just can't make my system look like your screenshot
[15:06] <ali1234> not even if i switch to greybird
[15:07] <ali1234> oh wait, yeah i can
[15:07] <ali1234> yeah that's definitely down to using a tiny font
[15:08] <ochosi> and it's only an "optical illusion" that the icon has a 1px offset
[15:08] <lderan> elfy, got that keyboard bug as well
[15:08] <ochosi> ali1234: 4px above and below: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-160754.php
[15:08] <ochosi> ali1234: it's just the bright inside border in greybird that makes it seem uncentererd
[15:08] <ali1234> right, so remove that
[15:08] <ochosi> right, no
[15:08] <elfy> lderan: yep - saw that - I'd hazard a guess that anyone with a gb keyboard will
[15:08] <ali1234> from the icon i mean
[15:09] <ochosi> yeah then i can change that one icon
[15:09] <ochosi> what about the others?
[15:09] <ochosi> also: the white bottom border has a purpose
[15:09] <ochosi> should help the icon stand out on darker backgrounds
[15:09] <ochosi> and anyhoo, the font is still uncentered then (which it is anyways)
[15:11] <ochosi> what really makes that icon seem uncentered is the white inner border of the button
[15:21] <ochosi> ali1234: you're using a different font-setup though anyways, right?
[15:21] <ali1234> probably
[15:22] <ochosi> if it consoles anyone, i'm not using this setup either
[15:23] <ochosi> i'm using "xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Gtk/ButtonImages -s false"
[15:27] <ochosi> jjfrv8, GridCube: in case you wanna test one more setting ^
[15:29] <elfy> unsurprisingly elfy didn't see any change with any of them 
[15:29] <elfy> really needs new glasses ... 
[15:30] <ochosi> hihi
[15:30] <jjfrv8> ochosi, is that just supposed to set it back to the default of 22x22?
[15:31] <jjfrv8> oops, wait, didn't look closely enough
[15:32] <ochosi> jjfrv8: it should hide the icons actually
[15:33] <jjfrv8> yeah, I'm having to type the commands and I didn't see the difference. I like the icons, though.
[15:40] <ali1234> ochosi: do you know anything about the monitors.xml and the monitor config panel?
[15:40] <ali1234> especially wrt bug 1283615
[15:41] <ali1234> eg where does the xfce config panel save the settings? and what applies them at startup? and does it get run inside the greeter?
[15:44] <jjfrv8> bb later for the meeting
[15:44] <binali> Good Luck!
[15:45] <ochosi> ali1234: you mean the display dialog? that's part of xfce4-settings, so xfsettingsd is applying the settings
[15:46] <ochosi> and no, it's not running in the greeter yet
[15:46] <ali1234> i'm going to try to figure out why all the output names are off by one
[15:52] <GridCube> sorry ochosi i had to close the beta1 virtual machine it was eating too much resources and i needed to catalogue some stuffs, can i test it in this machine (13.04)
[15:52] <GridCube> ?
[15:53] <GridCube> oh, that takes the icons off the buttons, i like that ochosi, but remember that the icons help people who has some sort of reading disparity
[15:54] <GridCube> s/has/have/
[15:55] <brainwash> GridCube: you should upgrade your 13.04 system :)
[15:55] <GridCube> P: i will once 14.04 comes up
[15:56] <brainwash> fresh installation?
[15:56] <elfy> or fight upgrading an eol install :)
[15:57] <GridCube> P: will probably be fresh, yes
[16:11] <ochosi> ali1234: good idea, that doesn't happen with all drivers though. for me, it works with nouveau and is off by one with nvidia. display-settings work is fun!
[16:20] <elfy> GridCube: you know that 14.04 is pretty much solid as a rock anyway - then you could test things really easily :)
[16:23] <GridCube> mmm but the 14.04 vbox is stuck at 640x480 resolution, and to download the vbox addons i would have to figure out, again, how to mess with the internal settings so apt-get can actually bypass the proxy(given that there is no way to set up proxys in xubuntu) so, yeah, not gonna mess with that
[16:23] <elfy> ochosi: is there a good reason why hotkeys in gmusicbrowser don't work on other workspaces? 
[16:23] <elfy> GridCube: oh - so you don't have xubuntu on hardware - I'd have kept quiet if I'd known that 
[16:24] <GridCube> P:
[16:24] <elfy> GridCube: also - try getting a new vbox - works here now 
[16:24] <GridCube> :D
[16:24] <ochosi> elfy: depends on what you mean. you can define hotkeys within gmusicbrowser, but afaik those need the window to have focus
[16:24] <elfy> yea - exactly what I mean
[16:24] <ochosi> elfy: you can also define global keyboard-shortcuts for gmusicbrowser in the keyboard-settings
[16:24] <GridCube> the vbox ihave is the only one IT will install for me
[16:24] <ochosi> elfy: check "gmusicbrowser -listcmd" for the available commands
[16:24] <elfy> GridCube: aah - okay - I'll shut up then
[16:25]  * GridCube goes to ot
[16:25] <elfy> ochosi: thanks :)
[16:25] <ochosi> elfy: no problem :)
[16:37] <elfy> ochosi - thanks, got those going now
[16:40] <crusador> I have a problem transferring complete files to an usb or hdd device with Emmabuntus2....sometimes the file is not totally transferd
[16:40] <crusador> Can anyone help
[16:41] <knome> crusador, we don't support emmabuntus 2
[16:41] <knome> crusador, and this is the development channel, not the support channel
[16:41] <crusador> sorry im new in linux
[16:42] <crusador> where can i get help
[16:44] <knome> crusador, http://forums.emmabuntus.org/
[16:44] <crusador> thank you so much
[16:47] <crusador> its not working...but thank you anyway
[16:47] <knome> you should ask for help from any emmabuntus support channel, or whatever they are offering
[16:48] <knome> we're unable to support derivatives that base on our system, because we don't know what kind of changes they might or might not have done
[16:48] <crusador> i got it thanks
[17:00] <ochosi> meeting in 1hr or in 2?
[17:00] <knome> 2
[17:00]  * ochosi is a bit confused right now
[17:00] <ochosi> ok
[17:00]  * knome slaps ochosi 
[17:00] <knome> does that help with the confusion?
[17:01] <ochosi> i guess not
[17:01] <knome> hah
[17:01] <ochosi> in case i forget to announce that later, lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings is pretty much ready now
[17:01] <ochosi> (UI to configure every aspect of the greeter, incl. the position of the login-window)
[17:02] <GridCube> o:
[17:02] <GridCube> thats awesome
[17:03] <ochosi> hopefully we can get it in with a FFe
[17:04] <brainwash> ochosi: how do you launch it, so it can actually change the config file owned by root?
[17:05] <ochosi> pkexec
[17:05] <brainwash> ok
[17:05] <ochosi> the desktop-file will just contain that
[17:05] <ochosi> so like synaptic, it'll spawn a pwd-dialog
[17:06] <brainwash> sounds great :)
[17:06] <ochosi> it is :)
[17:08] <slickymasterWork> ochosi: just installed light-locker settings lderan did but when I try to run it I get ->Unable to start /usr/bin/light-locker-settings. Failed to execute child process /usr/bin/light-locker-settings (No such file or directory)
[17:09] <ochosi> slickymaster: you installed it from the PPA?
[17:09] <ochosi> gah
[17:09] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: 
[17:09] <ochosi> ^
[17:10] <slickymasterWork> nopes, downloaded the tar and installed it
[17:10] <slickymasterWork> on B1
[17:10] <ochosi> then you messed that up :)
[17:10] <ochosi> just use the PPA
[17:10] <slickymasterWork> how come?
[17:11] <ochosi> i guess you'd have had to use parameters, frankly, i never installed it manually
[17:11] <slickymasterWork> I build it and then istall it
[17:11] <ochosi> when testing it, i just ran it from the folder without installing
[17:11] <slickymasterWork> what are the parameters?
[17:11] <ochosi> as i just said...
[17:11] <ochosi> i wouldn't know
[17:12] <slickymasterWork> ok
[17:12] <brainwash> where did you install it?
[17:12] <ochosi> you can also try to locate the binary
[17:12] <ochosi> maybe it ended up in /usr/local/bin
[17:12] <brainwash> the executable is apparently not where it should be
[17:13] <slickymasterWork> hmm, nopes
[17:15] <slickymasterWork> no wait, you're right, It went to /usr/local(bin/
[17:15] <ochosi> then "--prefix=/usr" would solve that problem most likely
[17:16] <slickymasterWork> yeaps, it did solve it
[17:18] <slickymasterWork> ochosi: the PREFIX value in the configure file is set to /usr/local
[17:18] <slickymasterWork> that's most likely the culprit
[17:19] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: that's normal, if you build and install more stuff by hand you'll notice
[17:20] <slickymasterWork> ochosi: confirmed. I've edited it to /usr and it's working as expected
[17:20] <ochosi> bbl
[17:21] <lderan> slickymasterWork, huzzah for it working as expected
[17:22] <brainwash> how did you try to launch it? via app menu?
[17:23] <slickymasterWork> lderan: the font color adverting to restart the session when you change the settings it's practicably unreadable. It's to light
[17:23] <slickymasterWork> brainwash: via settings manager
[17:24] <brainwash> mmh, so the binary path is hardcoded?
[17:25] <brainwash> inside the .desktop file I mean
[17:26] <ali1234> xfce4-settings won't build on trusty
[17:29] <GridCube> how would i test this patch? http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?id=05adaa59dbedd89b3e0ae6001ff367572c1be7d2
[17:30] <GridCube> what i have to do? (installing the guest addintions did show some results http://goput.it/b71i.png )
[17:30] <GridCube> but the non-active wallpapers are invisible until you clic on them
[17:30] <GridCube> also i don't see the community wallpapers, are they to be installed separadetly?
[17:31] <lderan> slickymasterWork, that bit appears fine for me, might be a theme issue. We're making a change to one of the sliders so will take a look at that :)
[17:33] <slickymasterWork> lderan: this is with Greybird and elementary Xfce darker
[17:35] <GridCube> ok, im want to answer in the lp bug report but i do not know how to apply the patch :/
[17:35] <lderan> thanks
[18:24] <ochosi> weird, so ppl are experiencing random problems with infobar-theming in greybird
[18:24] <ochosi> also read that wrt the greeter
[18:24] <ochosi> (if you enter a wrong password, an infobar, that should be red, pops up)
[18:25] <ochosi> sucky part is i can't reproduce it
[18:27] <GridCube> ochosi, let me see
[18:28] <GridCube> ochosi, http://goput.it/z4zk.png
[18:38] <ali1234> hah, i see the problem
[18:38] <ali1234> (with display settings)
[18:50] <ochosi> i'll be 15mins late for the meeting...
[18:52] <ali1234> mr_pouit: you broke the monitor settings :P
[18:55] <ali1234> (4 years ago)
[19:08] <ali1234> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10717
[19:09] <Noskcaj> o/
[19:21] <ochosi> so what's with the meeting now?
[19:22] <dockelley> Was it scheduled to start 20 minutes ago, or did I get the time wrong?
[19:22] <ochosi> yup, it ws
[19:22] <ochosi> was
[19:22] <ochosi> who's around? just to see whether it makes sense to have one
[19:22] <jjfrv8-work> o/
[19:23] <Noskcaj> o/
[19:23] <Noskcaj> knome?
[19:23] <ochosi> (if enough ppl are around, i can chair, but i need a few minutes to read up on the bot commands and the agenda...)
[19:23] <elfy> !team | meeting
[19:23] <elfy> I'm about 
[19:24] <slickymaster> o/
[19:24] <slickymaster> did everyone forgot the meeting?
[19:25] <ochosi> maybe it wasn't added to the calendar or not announced vocally enough...
[19:26] <elfy> no idea how to add it to the calendar
[19:26] <slickymaster> I think Unit193 did it
[19:27] <ochosi> not sure how it is with you guys, but we can also wait a little longer to see whether more people come around
[19:28] <elfy> nothing to stop us 
[19:28] <elfy> I'm cool with that ochosi 
[19:28] <jjfrv8-work> me too
[19:28] <dockelley> no worries
[19:28] <ochosi> ok, let's check back in 30mins?
[19:29] <elfy> okey doke
[19:29] <dockelley> while we're waiting, is Beta1 going to drop today?
[19:29] <elfy> slickymaster: someone did - it's on the calendaty
[19:29] <slickymaster> I'll start on dinner prep in the meanwhile
[19:29] <elfy> sigh
[19:29] <elfy> calendar
[19:29] <elfy> dockelley: will be released soon
[19:29] <dockelley> :-)
[19:30] <slickymaster> I could bet that was Unit193 who did it elfy 
[19:30] <elfy> yea :)
[19:30] <elfy> dockelley: you can get it if you want anyway - just grab it from the iso tracker
[19:30] <dockelley> thanks
[19:31] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds
[19:31] <ochosi> ali1234: in your bugreport "all unconnected outputs" means monitors that arent attached with a cable to the computer but were connected in the past?
[19:31] <ali1234> no, it means all outputs regardless of whether they've ever been connected or not
[19:32] <ali1234> it only knows the current state
[19:32] <ochosi> outputs == connectors? (hdmi, dvi, vga, etc)
[19:32] <ali1234> yes
[19:32] <ochosi> ah ok
[19:32] <ali1234> xrandr deals with connectors and it uses the edid to get the monitor name
[19:32] <ochosi> but doesn't that mean ppl could try to activate an output where there's no cable?
[19:32] <ali1234> yes it does
[19:32] <ali1234> i am not familiar enough with the code to provide a real fix
[19:33] <ali1234> not yet anyway
[19:33] <ochosi> i'd consider that a bit of a backdraww
[19:33] <ochosi> mkay
[19:33] <ochosi> well, you've pinpointed the problem nicely
[19:35] <ochosi> it's been a longer while that i've had a look at the display code
[19:35] <ochosi> bluesabre also worked on it
[19:44] <slickymaster> afk
[19:52] <schproodle> QATracker: Transmission in Xubuntu Desktop for Trusty Daily.  How do I submit a bug report for Transmission -- link 'File a bug' giveThis product doesn't have detailed bug reporting instructions yet.'s 'show
[19:52] <elfy> ubuntu-bug
[19:53] <elfy> ubuntu-bug packagename
[19:54] <micahg> did someone say meeting?
[19:54] <ochosi> elfy: do you still consistently get the problem with the unreadable infobar in the greeter (when entering a wrong password)?
[19:54] <ochosi> hey micahg 
[19:55] <micahg> hi ochosi 
[19:55] <elfy> ochosi: funnily enough I looked a short while ago - still hardly readable
[19:55] <elfy> hi micahg 
[19:55] <ochosi> elfy: hmmm :/ can't reproduce it though
[19:56] <ochosi> micahg: we decided to wait a bit since there was only 5 of us around at the actual meeting time
[19:56] <ochosi> micahg: btw, may i poke you to merge the remaining requests to the seed and upload it?
[19:56] <Noskcaj> micahg, what should i be working on in preparation for next time i apply for MOTU?
[19:56] <ochosi> micahg: there are also two -default-settings merge-requests that need merging..
[19:59] <micahg> ochosi: sure, but most likely slammed until Monday
[20:00] <micahg> Noskcaj: I'd suggest trying to be more aware of the impact of your uploads as well as being able to test build uploads more effectively
[20:00] <micahg> ochosi: ok, I've seen quite a few things come into my mailbox
[20:01] <micahg> I'll see if I can squeeze anything in
[20:01] <micahg> but that probably won't be until the weekend
[20:01] <ochosi> micahg: okeydokey, well the changes are quite easy to review, if you can at least merge them we can look for sponsors
[20:01] <schproodle> elfy, got it. Bug #1285843  Thanks.
[20:04] <elfy> guess we should call the whole thing off then 
[20:05] <ochosi> :/
[20:05] <ochosi> yeah, seems like it
[20:05] <ochosi> i'll be around a while longer, taking a break now
[20:05] <ochosi> so in case ppl wanna do a spontaneous meeting in another hour, that's still possible for me
[20:06] <elfy> nothing to stop us doing it - but it seems a bit pointless if we can't do more than chat - we can do that without meetingbot :) 
[20:06] <Noskcaj> micahg, I've test built everything for about two months now, and my internet might be improving soon, so i'd be able to do more/bigger merges
[20:06] <ali1234> who's on the agenda?
[20:07] <micahg> Noskcaj: there were some comments about missing dependencies once uploads happened, if you've addressed that, that's great
[20:07] <ochosi> ali1234: there's a few things carried forward from last time
[20:08]  * slickymaster is going to take advantage from the fact that the meeting is  postponed and is going to finish making dinner
[20:08] <ochosi> ali1234: what's the status of the gtk3 indicators stack?
[20:08] <slickymaster> awf
[20:08] <ali1234> well for my part: the gtk3 stuff is progressing on unity side, there are some branches here from ted: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted
[20:08] <ali1234> looks like he added the stuff for all the other sessions as we discussed with him the other day
[20:08] <Noskcaj> micahg, Yep. I've addressed that, although only recently i realized i should be checking  syncs for added depends that are non-main
[20:09] <ali1234> so we're now waiting for those to be merged
[20:09] <ochosi> cool, that's good news
[20:09] <ali1234> i think we need to make some changes in the indicator plugin to make it run the upstart event
[20:09] <ochosi> hmm, again?
[20:09] <ali1234> yes, unfortunately, but it's a 1 liner
[20:09] <ochosi> that blows a bit
[20:10] <ochosi> ah ok
[20:10] <ochosi> that could even go in as a patch, without andrzejr doing a new release
[20:10]  * elfy is wandering off into the dark for a bit 
[20:10] <ali1234> yes, and that may be more appropriate depending on what other distros want (if they even use it)
[20:10] <ochosi> yeah, i mean the whole plugin is a bit ubuntu-centric anyway...
[20:10] <ochosi> although i've read of arch users
[20:10] <ali1234> i actually added it once already but i don't think i saved the patch
[20:10] <ali1234> it's easy anyway
[20:11] <ochosi> well you could stash the patch in a bugreport already somewhere and link it to the features blueprint
[20:11] <ochosi> that way it can also be applied if you wouldn't be here for one reason or another
[20:11] <ali1234> ok, i'll do that
[20:11] <ochosi> thanks!
[20:12] <ali1234> same patch might be needed in the greeter
[20:12] <ochosi> fwiw, i took a very close look at Orion, and it displaces the 16px icons on buttons by 1px, so it's actually centered there
[20:12] <ali1234> heh
[20:12] <ochosi> hmm, is it for sure that we'll need that patch in the greeter?
[20:12] <ochosi> cause we're planning a bugfix release tonight
[20:12] <ali1234> i'm not sure
[20:12] <ochosi> so it'd be pretty good timing
[20:12] <ochosi> ok
[20:12] <ochosi> then i guess we'll wait
[20:12] <ali1234> depends how you currently run the indicators
[20:13] <ochosi> same as unity greeter
[20:13] <ali1234> hmm
[20:13] <ali1234> well, how is that?
[20:13] <ali1234> unity-greeter was patched
[20:14] <micahg> Noskcaj: check-mir is a nice script for that
[20:14] <ochosi> ali1234: this is the init: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/view/head:/src/lightdm-gtk-greeter.c#L368
[20:14] <Noskcaj> oh,cool. Didn't know about that script
[20:14] <micahg> I have a question, I dropped the ball on this, but I was wondering if the gtk3 indicator stuff made it in
[20:14] <ochosi> ali1234: when was unity-greeter patched?
[20:14] <ochosi> micahg: yup, it's all in
[20:14] <micahg> great news
[20:14] <ali1234> ochosi: ok, so shell init and send an event? yes that's the correct way
[20:14] <micahg> thanks
[20:15] <knome> emmmh, yeah
[20:15] <knome> something distracted me, and couldn't be around
[20:15] <knome> did you get anything discussed?
[20:15] <ali1234> ochosi: this is the unity-greeter patch, it's identical: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/unity-greeter/upstart-indicators/+merge/192936
[20:15] <ochosi> micahg: yup, we also got upstream releases of the panel and the indicator-plugin
[20:15] <ochosi> ali1234: yup, our greeter indicator-loading was refreshed quite recently, that's why i wanted to know. it works nicely currently
[20:16] <ali1234> ochosi: same thing needs to go into the plugin too, so we use upstart instead of xdg-autostart
[20:16] <ochosi> ok, i see
[20:16] <ali1234> if it hasn't already gone in that is
[20:16] <ochosi> haven't checked the plugin in a while
[20:17] <ochosi> knome: we just talked a bit about the gtk3 indicator status
[20:18] <ochosi> (that was one of the carried-forward items on the meeting agenda)
[20:19] <ochosi> for those of you who want to test the settings dialog for lightdm-gtk-greeter, there are packages for trusty here: https://launchpad.net/~kalgasnik/+archive/ppa
[20:19] <ochosi> we'll hopefully be able to set up a proper PPA soon
[20:20] <knome> okay
[20:20] <ochosi> fwiw, this is the project: https://launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings
[20:29] <ali1234> elfy:  i noticed my keyboard layout went funny today
[20:29] <elfy> oh good 
[20:29] <ali1234> it was set to UK + extended winkeys which means my backquote key was acting strange
[20:29] <elfy> mmm - mine was set to US 
[20:30] <elfy> lderan saw the same thing
[20:30] <ali1234> in the settings there is layout and then sub-variant
[20:30] <ali1234> there's no "default" variant so i had to select the top level layout which is kind of weird
[20:30] <ali1234> i dunno if this is related
[20:31] <ali1234> i might have just made a mistake while installing
[20:31] <elfy> yea - I pick the top level - no idea if it's related 
[20:31] <ali1234> i haven't tried the installer recently
[20:37] <tryxchat> qatracker xchat test message
[20:38] <elfy> thanks tryxchat - someone reads my mails then :)
[20:39] <wickscherrycoke> the 
[20:41] <elfy> will be back if they follow it properly :p
[20:41] <elfy> :)
[20:55] <a5m0> dangit, mpv requires ndividia restricted? but i want to keep nouveau :(
[21:08] <schproodle> elfy, seems you met my friend tryxchat -- don't know about mails though :)
[21:20] <ochosi> hm, the whole kb layout thing is odd
[21:20] <ochosi> there is a patch for the greeter to add kb-layout support, but we're past feature-freeze now...
[21:22] <elfy> ochosi: had a look at the lightdm settings thing - will look properly tomorrow
[21:22] <ochosi> ok cool
[21:22] <ochosi> thanks elfy 
[21:22] <elfy> well - I have really had enough of today - night all
[21:22] <elfy> welcome ochosi :)
[21:23] <schproodle> elfy, tks
[21:25] <ochosi> ali1234: what bothers me more than the 1px offset in the gtk2 buttons is the cut bottom part of buttons in gtk3 :/
[21:26] <ochosi> i've dug around enough to produce a workaround, but it's fugly
[21:27] <pleia2> sorry I missed the meeting :( thought I'd make it, but my cold disagreed
[21:27] <ochosi> actually there wasn't one
[21:28] <ochosi> that is, you weren't the only one missing it ;)
[21:28] <pleia2> so I see :)
[21:46] <Unit193> slickymaster: If you'd have placed a bet, you'd be a richer man. :P
[21:46] <ochosi> knome: should we re-schedule the missed meeting for tomorrow?
[21:47] <knome> that's not better for me
[21:47] <ochosi> different time?
[21:48] <knome> different time works, but is there something that needs to be done/discussed before next thursday?
[21:48] <ochosi> not sure, there are a few items on the agenda
[21:48] <ochosi> we could theoretically resolve some of them without a meeting as well i guess
[21:49] <knome> sure
[21:49] <knome> i'd imagine somewhat many people are around now
[21:49] <slickymaster> Unit193: I knew it was a safe bet
[21:50] <Unit193> slickymaster: I did ping you with the link afterall. :P
[21:50] <slickymaster> did you get to saw revision 149 of my MP?
[21:50] <ochosi> knome: i'm not against doing an impromptu one now if you want ;)
[21:50] <schproodle> qatracker: Light-locker in Xubuntu Desktop for Trusty Daily -- xscreensaver seems to lock screen.  Whatis/whereis light-locker
[21:52] <ochosi> schproodle: you have to purge xscreensaver
[21:52] <knome> ochosi, well start a discussion... ;)
[21:52] <schproodle> ok
[21:54] <slickymaster> Unit193: did you get to saw revision 149 of my MP?
[21:54] <schproodle> ochosi, got it, thanks
[21:58] <Unit193> slickymaster: Not yet, will soon.
[21:59] <ochosi> anyone else here who can confirm this visual bugin the greeter? http://goput.it/z4zk.png
[21:59] <ochosi> asking cause i can't reproduce it but i have a patch that needs testing...
[22:00] <ochosi> (explanation: enter wrong password in the 14.04 greeter, red(!) infobar pops up telling you you entered a wrong password)
[22:00] <ochosi> (in this screenshot it's obviously white, which is bad and unintended)
[22:01] <schproodle> howto do a Ctrl+Alt+F7 in vm Virtualbox to test light-locker
[22:01] <ochosi> schproodle: you need to use the virtual-box modifier key
[22:02] <ochosi> (i think by default right ctrl)
[22:02] <schproodle> ok I will try that one
[22:03] <ochosi> so right-ctrl + f7
[22:03] <ochosi> (the modifier key is displayed in the right bottom corner of the virtualbox window/statusbar)
[22:09] <schproodle> right-ctrl is a sub for ctrl+alt ??
[22:10] <ochosi> in the virtualbox-window, yes
[22:10] <schproodle> right-ctrl + f7 did not seem to do anything eh
[22:10] <ochosi> well i have no clue what modifier-key you use
[22:11] <schproodle> ochosi, OK thanks :)
[22:15] <brainwash> ochosi: yes, with the greybird version installed by the shimmer-themes package
[22:16] <brainwash> wait a minute.. I already told you that some days ago :)
[22:16] <ochosi> brainwash: great!
[22:16] <ochosi> well, i was asking whether anyone was *around* with that bug :)
[22:16] <ochosi> anyhoo, i can pastebin the diff in a few secs
[22:16] <brainwash> I fixed it by adding some code from git8master
[22:17] <brainwash> git/master
[22:17] <brainwash> ok
[22:18] <brainwash> It was this block which I've copied from upstream https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/blob/master/gtk-3.0/gtk-widgets.css#L107
[22:19] <brainwash> no clue why it was broken in the first place and why this change magically fixed it
[22:19] <ochosi> wait, last time you said that you already had the stuff from that commit local
[22:20] <brainwash> uhm, I copied the linked block over to the greybird theme provided by the shimmer-themes package (trusty)
[22:21] <ochosi> ah ok
[22:21] <ochosi> still, weird that that worked
[22:21] <brainwash> usually I use the git version, so I've never noticed this issue
[22:22] <ochosi> and light-locker-settings also works for you (the infobar)?
[22:22] <brainwash> I did not test it yet
[22:23] <brainwash> so where is your pastebin diff? :)
[22:24] <ochosi> well if the git-master version fixes things, then there's no need for additional changes
[22:24] <ochosi> (pastebin would've been here, but it's useless now i guess: http://dpaste.com/1667584/ )
[22:24] <ochosi> i'll just ask elfy to update to greybird from git and test that again tomorrow
[22:25] <ochosi> if he confirms it's fixed, i can cross that one off my list
[22:26] <brainwash> the strange thing is that the upstream commit has been added some days ago, but the infobar looked fine before that also (git/master)
[22:27] <ochosi> yeah, that's why i wanted to try this patch
[22:27] <ochosi> but anyway, i'll have to wait for elfy or Gridcube then
[22:32] <ochosi> brainwash: i'm wondering why that gtk3 cut buttons is bugging you less than me...
[22:34] <brainwash> ochosi: bigger fonts is the secret :) this way you never see cut buttons
[22:34] <ochosi> that's a very fugly workaround
[22:34] <brainwash> if you don't see it, it won't bug you :P
[22:34] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-233419.php
[22:34] <ochosi> try to do this with bigger fonts ^
[22:34] <ochosi> still ugly
[22:35] <ochosi> also, i'd have to bump droid sans to 11(!) for the bug to disappear
[22:35] <brainwash> the gnome guys will fix it soon, they'll simply remove the buttons and call it an improvement
[22:36] <ochosi> i'm afraid they won't fix it because it doesn't affect them
[22:36] <brainwash> did they add some magic to their default theme?
[22:36] <ochosi> no idea, the adwaita engine seems to work around that
[22:37] <ochosi> also, using svg/png assets for the buttons also fixes it
[22:37] <ochosi> even unico doesn't expose the bug
[22:37] <ochosi> (which is why ubuntu folks aren't seeing it)
[22:37] <brainwash> :(
[22:38] <brainwash> silly_cut_buttons
[22:39] <ochosi> yeah, that's a fugly workaround
[22:39] <ochosi> i'm working on a better one right now
[22:41] <ochosi> huhu
[22:41] <ochosi> bumping only the button-font looks fun: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-234144.php
[22:42] <ochosi> (and works)
[22:49] <schproodle> can't find light-locker-setting for testing
[22:49] <ochosi> it's still only available from a PPA: https://launchpad.net/~light-locker-settings-team/+archive/stable
[22:50] <ochosi> stuck in upload-queue
[22:51] <schproodle> ochosi, should I test with the ppa?
[22:51] <ochosi> schproodle: yes, please
[22:52] <schproodle> oh, I see elfy's mail-archive message