[00:41] added german and revised french translations of the startubuntu flyer to http://xubuntu.org/marketingresources/ \o/ [00:41] ooh, there's a danish one too /me adds [01:08] aha [07:11] Unit193: seemingly not, this is the place it checks for global default configurations of the plugin. best to submit an issue on github about it [07:17] No GH account. :P [07:26] knome and anyone else interested - beta 1 is now marked ready === DanChapman__ is now known as DanChapman [08:43] Howdy, cub. [08:43] Morning! [09:13] jjfrv8: Line 50 of your merge proposal, that isn't actually opening the Applications Menu if we do go with whiskermenu. [09:15] (Also, not just indicators but notification area too, but that's even more minor.) [10:26] knome: I've done draft announcements - I assumed you wanted 2 - the pad made it look like that to me [10:29] just let you all know that just finished update/upgrade/dist-upgrade and now a new one popped in term about not needing certain items and to do apt-get autoremove and all wen quite well. [10:50] Just a question, are the little notes that I tell you here bother or help you as a user coming here? [10:51] they don't bother me - but I tend to skim them unless there's an issue :) [10:51] they might bother other people though ;) [10:54] ah okay if they bother then I won't relay them unless it becomes and issue but then it's usually to late, at least for me [10:55] well we are working on the dev version - so any issues either should have or need a bug report, regardless of whether it's too late for you or not [12:01] What does 'ready' mean here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds [12:02] 'Upgrade Xubuntu i386 (ready)' [12:03] that it is marked as ready for release [12:04] elfy, What other testing for xubuntu should I explore? [12:05] http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases [12:06] packages if you want - specifically the Xubuntu Networking and Xubuntu Trusty Additional groups at the bottom [12:13] schproodle: what elfy is referring to is http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases [12:13] ups, elfy already had provided you the link [12:14] Yes, thanks. [12:26] Wish I could get the Guest Additions installed on vm -- lousy 640 x 480 resolution. Doesn't seem to work on 14.04 vm. [12:31] schproodle: what virtualization software are you using? [12:31] Oracle VirtualBox? [12:32] elfy, one for the blog, one as the full notes in the wiki [12:32] yes, seems to work for Debian vm but not for 14.04 [12:32] what version? [12:33] is it 4.3.8? [12:33] and what VBGuestAdditions version are you using? [12:34] 4.2.16 on 13.10 [12:35] schproodle: you have to update them. Thing is your VBoxGuestAdditions version doesn't recognize the latest release of X.Org Server, which is now 1.15 in Trusty, so they fail to install [12:35] 4.2.16_86992 [12:36] schproodle: ^^ [12:36] right, do I have to upgrade vbox too [12:37] I would advise to do so [12:38] that is the one in the respository for 13.10 however. Sorry, I am not more adroit. [12:42] schproodle: you can download VirtualBox 4.3.8 for Linux from https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads. Just make sure you download the right file for your architecture (32bit or 64bit) [12:44] yes, I just found that. got the deb [12:46] ok, once downloaded all you have to do is to navigate into the folder where you downloaded, open a terminal there and run sudo dpkg -i .deb [12:47] seems I have to remove guest additions first however [12:47] the old version Using synaptic to clear out the old vbox [12:48] I will get the new Guest stuff but there is another addition for usb, can't remember [12:53] extension pack?? [13:00] knome: don't understand what you mean [13:03] elfy, the release *announcment* is meant for the blog [13:03] elfy, the release *notes* are meant for the wiki, along with the usual common infrastructure -changes [13:05] oic [13:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Beta1 or something [13:06] well something in those lines [13:07] without the roadmap bits :p [13:07] lol [13:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu/Beta1 [13:07] anyway - I hate fighting the stupid wiki [13:07] hmm wait [13:07] hah [13:07] leave that to me then ;) [13:07] not that... [13:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Beta1/Xubuntu [13:07] that [13:10] did the first version of that [13:10] yep [13:11] I'll do the bug links if you like [13:11] nah, i'm on it [13:11] ok [13:12] knome: the announcement just needs the torrent/download links when we get them - and you to decide you don't like the way it looks :) [13:15] does the users-admin bug actually stop you from adding a new user? [13:16] also, is the USC bug happening every time? [13:16] user-admins lets you add user and set it up [13:17] and I doubt it for USC [13:17] so, what's the crash? [13:17] just crashes after it has added the user? [13:17] but then the keyboard one won't affect anyone other than people with a gb layout [13:17] yea - crashes after close of it seemingly [13:19] ok, just updated the wikipage [13:19] check if those are accurate descriptions [13:19] not easy to decide which to mention - the kbd one affects me - the network share one I'd not take any notice of [13:19] looking [13:19] well at least we have now user-understandable descriptions to look at [13:19] and decide [13:20] updated [13:20] s/GB/British/ [13:20] Thunar doesn't automatically removable - missing mount [13:21] Both xscreensaver light-locker are active - missing and [13:22] feel free to edit :P [13:22] i've dropped the edit lock [13:22] thought you still had lock :) [13:22] well you did when I looked lol [13:23] ok - all done then [13:24] ok, good [13:24] Unit193: changed the changelog according to what we discussed -> See revision 149 [13:24] now should look at the announcement [13:25] Unit193: I think is good to be merged now [13:26] hmm, yeah... [13:26] * knome drops "new wallpaper" from the notes [13:26] we don't have that yet :P [13:29] elfy, which issues do we want to pick for the announcement? [13:29] i'm not sure if there is actually any *really annoying* one [13:29] looking at the list we have in the notes [13:30] except maybe the xsreensaver/light-locker one, but that's only on suspend [13:30] well - everyone will get the xfdesktop one [13:30] thunar and usb's has been going on for ages so ... [13:30] yah [13:30] maybe those [13:31] probably just the new ones - xfdesktop, network shares, xscreensaver/light-locker and a special mention for anyone with a gb keybord lol [13:31] nah, i think that's fine not in the annoucement :P [13:31] :p [13:32] so shares [13:32] m [13:32] yea - just the 3 I'd say - it links to release notes [13:32] 3? :P [13:32] oh [13:32] yeah.... [13:32] :) [13:32] i'm messing up with the annoucement [13:34] http://xubuntu.org/?p=2152&preview=true [13:34] looks [13:34] thinking some subheadings could do good for that :P [13:35] updated [13:35] highlights and known issues [13:35] further udpated [13:35] I was just about to say that lol [13:36] yea that looks ok to me [13:36] yep, now just need the download links [13:36] yep [13:36] first one to see them edit and publish? [13:36] worksforme [13:36] well, [13:36] publish only after it's official ;) [13:37] but yep, that's what we should do [13:37] yea of course [13:37] * knome goes poking the wiki, need to include the common known issues [13:41] ok, the wiki should be in order [13:42] ...and changed the link on the announcement to the correct url [13:43] thanks [13:43] back to reading irc logs [13:44] lol [14:05] elfy, knome, shouldnt it point the issue with no wallpapers shown in xfdesktop settings manager? i mean we are saying that there are new wallpapers avialable but people wont be able to find them [14:10] GridCube, can you confirm that bug is still in beta1? [14:11] yes [14:11] is there a bug report for it? [14:11] there is [14:11] can you link us to that, and we'll make sure it's in the annoucement/notes [14:11] i need to do some commercial work for a bit [14:11] getting it [14:11] bbiab [14:11] here knome https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfdesktop/+bug/1271713 [14:11] Launchpad bug 1271713 in xfdesktop "xubuntu 14.04 trusty thar desktop wallpapers selection shows empty" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:12] elfy, ochosi ^ [14:13] still the case with xfdesktop4.11.3? [14:13] its still there in the beta1 iso [14:13] oh [14:13] that's not a bug in xfdesktop [14:14] i guess it's a bug in xubuntu-default-settings or something [14:14] cause xfdesktop isn't pointing to a folder with wallpapers [14:14] yep [14:14] ok, will do a merge-request/fix for that then [14:15] Unit193, not sure what you mean by "that isn't actually opening the Applications Menu" [14:16] (i think he meant applications-menu isn't the same as whiskermenu, but frankly i don't think that matters for users) [14:16] (two different plugins with the same purpose, so if you refer to them functionally, it's the same) [14:17] GridCube: you doing that now? [14:17] yeah, I wanted some feedback on the terminology we should be using now. Like do we ever actually want to refer to it as "Whisker Menu" [14:17] the only time ppl will actually see that name is when they go into Properties [14:18] elfy, doing what [14:18] This content is currently locked. If you take over, GridCube will be blocked from continuing to edit. [14:19] sorry [14:19] closed the window [14:20] jjfrv8: yeah, i personally wouldn't refer to it as whiskermenu [14:20] maybe just refer to it as "menu" [14:20] to avoid *any* ambiguity [14:20] "main menu"? [14:20] that's the friendly name for menulibre in the settings manager [14:21] I think Main Menu in SM is still alacarte, Menu Editor is MenuLibre [14:22] ah, that [14:22] but anyway.. [14:22] it's used [14:25] done both pages [14:26] and speaking of that, we've got three different names for Settings Manager. the WM tooltip says "All Settings", the actual dialog says "Settings", the menu entry says "Settings Manager". [14:26] elfy, thanks [14:27] * elfy has been putting off a trawl through testcases for Application Menu [14:27] jjfrv8: probably worth an upstream bugreport [14:28] ochosi, where should I file that? [14:29] jjfrv8: xfce4-settings on bugs.xfce.org. but i guess you need a full proposal on what to rename to what [14:29] who would quickly wanna test a proposed setting for 14.04? (it takes about 1min) [14:29] in the topic of beta1 bugs, #1284720 [14:29] bug 1284720 [14:29] bug 1284720 in Mugshot "mugshot fails at attempt to change avatar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284720 [14:30] ochosi, what you got to test? [14:30] toz pointed why it fails, and it seems we dont ship the preset faces anymore (they are there in 13.10) [14:32] run "xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Gtk/IconSizes -s "gtk-button=16,16" in the terminal [14:32] jjfrv8: ^ (and all others interested) [14:33] that is a setting i'd love to have in 14.04 by default [14:33] (16px icons on buttons instead of the huge-ish 22px) [14:35] doesn't look like it changed anything for me [14:36] GridCube: the thing is - where do we stop listing bugs? page 2 or 3 or 4 :) [14:36] oh [14:37] i did not meant to list that on the news page, i just wanted for people to remember it exist P: [14:37] oic :) [14:37] the wallpaper one i find important 'cos we say we have new wallpaper but they wont see them [14:37] * elfy still thinks that the gb keyboard one is important :) [14:43] jjfrv8: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-154344.php (proposed look) [14:44] jjfrv8: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-154410.php (current look) [14:45] ah so. I agree. Looks nicer. [14:46] everyone else, feel free to take a look at this ^ and try for yourselves [14:46] (run "xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Gtk/IconSizes -s "gtk-button=16,16" in the terminal, to reset set it to 22,22) [14:48] for similar reasons, I like to set whisker to "very small" [14:48] ochosi, i notice that the X on close changes icons between each size [14:48] its prosible to have the bold X in the tiny icons? [14:48] jjfrv8: the categories are set to 16px in my proposal, apps to 24px [14:49] GridCube: yeah, i'd try to improve that [14:49] the arrow remains basically the same [14:49] i like the smaller button but the x looks not similar to the arrow [14:51] well don't focus too much on the "x" right now [14:51] it changes all icons [14:51] just try it [14:52] omg [14:52] sort out the vertical alignment [14:52] this is not KDE... [14:53] what are you referring to exactly? [14:54] http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-154344.php [14:54] icons are too high, text is too high [14:54] say thanks to gtk2 [14:55] and it's only 1px [14:55] also text is too high relative to the icon [14:56] so you prefer the huge icons? [14:57] i prefer the one where the icons are in the right place, yes [14:57] the text is too high on both [14:57] it should be 1px lower relative to the icons in both [14:58] you're welcome to investigate that 1px, so far you seem to be the first person to notice/mention that [14:58] actually i don't understand how the <- is even number of pixels tall and the X is odd number of pixels tall [14:58] look at the middle of the <- - it is two pixels [15:00] ok, before everyone keeps commenting on the close-icon, here's a different screenshot: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-160003.php [15:00] gah that's even worse [15:00] it's the same alignment [15:01] ali1234, patches welcome [15:01] two pixels padding at the top 4 pixels at the bottom [15:02] gtk2 doesn't support that fine-grained-ness of theming [15:02] you can work around it by redrawing all icons from 16x16 to 16x15 possibly [15:02] (or it might even be further off then) [15:02] i don't know about that... all i know is orion draws the icons and the text in the right place [15:02] and anyway, doesn't solve your problem with the font [15:03] what font is that? [15:04] Droid Sans 9 [15:04] our default [15:05] what icon set is it? [15:06] orion has the same settings [15:06] yeah, i just can't make my system look like your screenshot [15:06] not even if i switch to greybird [15:07] oh wait, yeah i can [15:07] yeah that's definitely down to using a tiny font [15:08] and it's only an "optical illusion" that the icon has a 1px offset [15:08] elfy, got that keyboard bug as well [15:08] ali1234: 4px above and below: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-160754.php [15:08] ali1234: it's just the bright inside border in greybird that makes it seem uncentererd [15:08] right, so remove that [15:08] right, no [15:08] lderan: yep - saw that - I'd hazard a guess that anyone with a gb keyboard will [15:08] from the icon i mean [15:09] yeah then i can change that one icon [15:09] what about the others? [15:09] also: the white bottom border has a purpose [15:09] should help the icon stand out on darker backgrounds [15:09] and anyhoo, the font is still uncentered then (which it is anyways) [15:11] what really makes that icon seem uncentered is the white inner border of the button [15:21] ali1234: you're using a different font-setup though anyways, right? [15:21] probably [15:22] if it consoles anyone, i'm not using this setup either [15:23] i'm using "xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Gtk/ButtonImages -s false" [15:27] jjfrv8, GridCube: in case you wanna test one more setting ^ === zequence_ is now known as zequence [15:29] unsurprisingly elfy didn't see any change with any of them [15:29] really needs new glasses ... [15:30] hihi [15:30] ochosi, is that just supposed to set it back to the default of 22x22? [15:31] oops, wait, didn't look closely enough [15:32] jjfrv8: it should hide the icons actually [15:33] yeah, I'm having to type the commands and I didn't see the difference. I like the icons, though. [15:40] ochosi: do you know anything about the monitors.xml and the monitor config panel? [15:40] especially wrt bug 1283615 [15:40] bug 1283615 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "gnome-settings-daemon trashes monitor config" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1283615 [15:41] eg where does the xfce config panel save the settings? and what applies them at startup? and does it get run inside the greeter? [15:44] bb later for the meeting [15:44] Good Luck! [15:45] ali1234: you mean the display dialog? that's part of xfce4-settings, so xfsettingsd is applying the settings [15:46] and no, it's not running in the greeter yet [15:46] i'm going to try to figure out why all the output names are off by one [15:52] sorry ochosi i had to close the beta1 virtual machine it was eating too much resources and i needed to catalogue some stuffs, can i test it in this machine (13.04) [15:52] ? [15:53] oh, that takes the icons off the buttons, i like that ochosi, but remember that the icons help people who has some sort of reading disparity [15:54] s/has/have/ [15:55] GridCube: you should upgrade your 13.04 system :) [15:55] P: i will once 14.04 comes up [15:56] fresh installation? [15:56] or fight upgrading an eol install :) [15:57] P: will probably be fresh, yes [16:11] ali1234: good idea, that doesn't happen with all drivers though. for me, it works with nouveau and is off by one with nvidia. display-settings work is fun! [16:20] GridCube: you know that 14.04 is pretty much solid as a rock anyway - then you could test things really easily :) [16:23] mmm but the 14.04 vbox is stuck at 640x480 resolution, and to download the vbox addons i would have to figure out, again, how to mess with the internal settings so apt-get can actually bypass the proxy(given that there is no way to set up proxys in xubuntu) so, yeah, not gonna mess with that [16:23] ochosi: is there a good reason why hotkeys in gmusicbrowser don't work on other workspaces? [16:23] GridCube: oh - so you don't have xubuntu on hardware - I'd have kept quiet if I'd known that [16:24] P: [16:24] GridCube: also - try getting a new vbox - works here now [16:24] :D [16:24] elfy: depends on what you mean. you can define hotkeys within gmusicbrowser, but afaik those need the window to have focus [16:24] yea - exactly what I mean [16:24] elfy: you can also define global keyboard-shortcuts for gmusicbrowser in the keyboard-settings [16:24] the vbox ihave is the only one IT will install for me [16:24] elfy: check "gmusicbrowser -listcmd" for the available commands [16:24] GridCube: aah - okay - I'll shut up then [16:25] * GridCube goes to ot [16:25] ochosi: thanks :) [16:25] elfy: no problem :) [16:37] ochosi - thanks, got those going now [16:40] I have a problem transferring complete files to an usb or hdd device with Emmabuntus2....sometimes the file is not totally transferd [16:40] Can anyone help [16:41] crusador, we don't support emmabuntus 2 [16:41] crusador, and this is the development channel, not the support channel [16:41] sorry im new in linux [16:42] where can i get help [16:44] crusador, http://forums.emmabuntus.org/ [16:44] thank you so much [16:47] its not working...but thank you anyway [16:47] you should ask for help from any emmabuntus support channel, or whatever they are offering [16:48] we're unable to support derivatives that base on our system, because we don't know what kind of changes they might or might not have done [16:48] i got it thanks [17:00] meeting in 1hr or in 2? [17:00] 2 [17:00] * ochosi is a bit confused right now [17:00] ok [17:00] * knome slaps ochosi [17:00] does that help with the confusion? [17:01] i guess not [17:01] hah [17:01] in case i forget to announce that later, lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings is pretty much ready now [17:01] (UI to configure every aspect of the greeter, incl. the position of the login-window) [17:02] o: [17:02] thats awesome [17:03] hopefully we can get it in with a FFe [17:04] ochosi: how do you launch it, so it can actually change the config file owned by root? [17:05] pkexec [17:05] ok [17:05] the desktop-file will just contain that [17:05] so like synaptic, it'll spawn a pwd-dialog [17:06] sounds great :) [17:06] it is :) [17:08] ochosi: just installed light-locker settings lderan did but when I try to run it I get ->Unable to start /usr/bin/light-locker-settings. Failed to execute child process /usr/bin/light-locker-settings (No such file or directory) [17:09] slickymaster: you installed it from the PPA? [17:09] gah [17:09] slickymasterWork: [17:09] ^ [17:10] nopes, downloaded the tar and installed it [17:10] on B1 [17:10] then you messed that up :) [17:10] just use the PPA [17:10] how come? [17:11] i guess you'd have had to use parameters, frankly, i never installed it manually [17:11] I build it and then istall it [17:11] when testing it, i just ran it from the folder without installing [17:11] what are the parameters? [17:11] as i just said... [17:11] i wouldn't know [17:12] ok [17:12] where did you install it? [17:12] you can also try to locate the binary [17:12] maybe it ended up in /usr/local/bin [17:12] the executable is apparently not where it should be [17:13] hmm, nopes [17:15] no wait, you're right, It went to /usr/local(bin/ [17:15] then "--prefix=/usr" would solve that problem most likely [17:16] yeaps, it did solve it [17:18] ochosi: the PREFIX value in the configure file is set to /usr/local [17:18] that's most likely the culprit [17:19] slickymasterWork: that's normal, if you build and install more stuff by hand you'll notice [17:20] ochosi: confirmed. I've edited it to /usr and it's working as expected [17:20] bbl [17:21] slickymasterWork, huzzah for it working as expected [17:22] how did you try to launch it? via app menu? [17:23] lderan: the font color adverting to restart the session when you change the settings it's practicably unreadable. It's to light [17:23] brainwash: via settings manager [17:24] mmh, so the binary path is hardcoded? [17:25] inside the .desktop file I mean [17:26] xfce4-settings won't build on trusty [17:29] how would i test this patch? http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?id=05adaa59dbedd89b3e0ae6001ff367572c1be7d2 [17:30] what i have to do? (installing the guest addintions did show some results http://goput.it/b71i.png ) [17:30] but the non-active wallpapers are invisible until you clic on them [17:30] also i don't see the community wallpapers, are they to be installed separadetly? [17:31] slickymasterWork, that bit appears fine for me, might be a theme issue. We're making a change to one of the sliders so will take a look at that :) [17:33] lderan: this is with Greybird and elementary Xfce darker [17:35] ok, im want to answer in the lp bug report but i do not know how to apply the patch :/ [17:35] thanks [18:24] weird, so ppl are experiencing random problems with infobar-theming in greybird [18:24] also read that wrt the greeter [18:24] (if you enter a wrong password, an infobar, that should be red, pops up) [18:25] sucky part is i can't reproduce it [18:27] ochosi, let me see [18:28] ochosi, http://goput.it/z4zk.png [18:38] hah, i see the problem [18:38] (with display settings) [18:50] i'll be 15mins late for the meeting... [18:52] mr_pouit: you broke the monitor settings :P [18:55] (4 years ago) [19:08] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10717 [19:08] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10717 in Display Settings "Display settings mixes up monitor EDID names" [Normal,New] [19:09] o/ [19:21] so what's with the meeting now? [19:22] Was it scheduled to start 20 minutes ago, or did I get the time wrong? [19:22] yup, it ws [19:22] was [19:22] who's around? just to see whether it makes sense to have one [19:22] o/ [19:23] o/ [19:23] knome? [19:23] (if enough ppl are around, i can chair, but i need a few minutes to read up on the bot commands and the agenda...) [19:23] !team | meeting [19:23] meeting: bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, mr_pouit, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 [19:23] I'm about [19:24] o/ [19:24] did everyone forgot the meeting? [19:25] maybe it wasn't added to the calendar or not announced vocally enough... [19:26] no idea how to add it to the calendar [19:26] I think Unit193 did it [19:27] not sure how it is with you guys, but we can also wait a little longer to see whether more people come around [19:28] nothing to stop us [19:28] I'm cool with that ochosi [19:28] me too [19:28] no worries [19:28] ok, let's check back in 30mins? [19:29] okey doke [19:29] while we're waiting, is Beta1 going to drop today? [19:29] slickymaster: someone did - it's on the calendaty [19:29] I'll start on dinner prep in the meanwhile [19:29] sigh [19:29] calendar [19:29] dockelley: will be released soon [19:29] :-) [19:30] I could bet that was Unit193 who did it elfy [19:30] yea :) [19:30] dockelley: you can get it if you want anyway - just grab it from the iso tracker [19:30] thanks [19:31] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds [19:31] ali1234: in your bugreport "all unconnected outputs" means monitors that arent attached with a cable to the computer but were connected in the past? [19:31] no, it means all outputs regardless of whether they've ever been connected or not [19:32] it only knows the current state [19:32] outputs == connectors? (hdmi, dvi, vga, etc) [19:32] yes [19:32] ah ok [19:32] xrandr deals with connectors and it uses the edid to get the monitor name [19:32] but doesn't that mean ppl could try to activate an output where there's no cable? [19:32] yes it does [19:32] i am not familiar enough with the code to provide a real fix [19:33] not yet anyway [19:33] i'd consider that a bit of a backdraww [19:33] mkay [19:33] well, you've pinpointed the problem nicely [19:35] it's been a longer while that i've had a look at the display code [19:35] bluesabre also worked on it [19:44] afk [19:52] QATracker: Transmission in Xubuntu Desktop for Trusty Daily. How do I submit a bug report for Transmission -- link 'File a bug' giveThis product doesn't have detailed bug reporting instructions yet.'s 'show [19:52] ubuntu-bug [19:53] ubuntu-bug packagename [19:54] did someone say meeting? [19:54] elfy: do you still consistently get the problem with the unreadable infobar in the greeter (when entering a wrong password)? [19:54] hey micahg [19:55] hi ochosi [19:55] ochosi: funnily enough I looked a short while ago - still hardly readable [19:55] hi micahg [19:55] elfy: hmmm :/ can't reproduce it though [19:56] micahg: we decided to wait a bit since there was only 5 of us around at the actual meeting time [19:56] micahg: btw, may i poke you to merge the remaining requests to the seed and upload it? [19:56] micahg, what should i be working on in preparation for next time i apply for MOTU? [19:56] micahg: there are also two -default-settings merge-requests that need merging.. [19:59] ochosi: sure, but most likely slammed until Monday [20:00] Noskcaj: I'd suggest trying to be more aware of the impact of your uploads as well as being able to test build uploads more effectively [20:00] ochosi: ok, I've seen quite a few things come into my mailbox [20:01] I'll see if I can squeeze anything in [20:01] but that probably won't be until the weekend [20:01] micahg: okeydokey, well the changes are quite easy to review, if you can at least merge them we can look for sponsors [20:01] elfy, got it. Bug #1285843 Thanks. [20:01] bug 1285843 in transmission (Ubuntu) "Queue selections do not move torrents" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1285843 [20:04] guess we should call the whole thing off then [20:05] :/ [20:05] yeah, seems like it [20:05] i'll be around a while longer, taking a break now [20:05] so in case ppl wanna do a spontaneous meeting in another hour, that's still possible for me [20:06] nothing to stop us doing it - but it seems a bit pointless if we can't do more than chat - we can do that without meetingbot :) [20:06] micahg, I've test built everything for about two months now, and my internet might be improving soon, so i'd be able to do more/bigger merges [20:06] who's on the agenda? [20:07] Noskcaj: there were some comments about missing dependencies once uploads happened, if you've addressed that, that's great [20:07] ali1234: there's a few things carried forward from last time [20:08] * slickymaster is going to take advantage from the fact that the meeting is postponed and is going to finish making dinner [20:08] ali1234: what's the status of the gtk3 indicators stack? [20:08] awf [20:08] well for my part: the gtk3 stuff is progressing on unity side, there are some branches here from ted: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted [20:08] looks like he added the stuff for all the other sessions as we discussed with him the other day [20:08] micahg, Yep. I've addressed that, although only recently i realized i should be checking syncs for added depends that are non-main [20:09] so we're now waiting for those to be merged [20:09] cool, that's good news [20:09] i think we need to make some changes in the indicator plugin to make it run the upstart event [20:09] hmm, again? [20:09] yes, unfortunately, but it's a 1 liner [20:09] that blows a bit [20:10] ah ok [20:10] that could even go in as a patch, without andrzejr doing a new release [20:10] * elfy is wandering off into the dark for a bit [20:10] yes, and that may be more appropriate depending on what other distros want (if they even use it) [20:10] yeah, i mean the whole plugin is a bit ubuntu-centric anyway... [20:10] although i've read of arch users [20:10] i actually added it once already but i don't think i saved the patch [20:10] it's easy anyway [20:11] well you could stash the patch in a bugreport already somewhere and link it to the features blueprint [20:11] that way it can also be applied if you wouldn't be here for one reason or another [20:11] ok, i'll do that [20:11] thanks! [20:12] same patch might be needed in the greeter [20:12] fwiw, i took a very close look at Orion, and it displaces the 16px icons on buttons by 1px, so it's actually centered there [20:12] heh [20:12] hmm, is it for sure that we'll need that patch in the greeter? [20:12] cause we're planning a bugfix release tonight [20:12] i'm not sure [20:12] so it'd be pretty good timing [20:12] ok [20:12] then i guess we'll wait [20:12] depends how you currently run the indicators [20:13] same as unity greeter [20:13] hmm [20:13] well, how is that? [20:13] unity-greeter was patched [20:14] Noskcaj: check-mir is a nice script for that [20:14] ali1234: this is the init: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/view/head:/src/lightdm-gtk-greeter.c#L368 [20:14] oh,cool. Didn't know about that script [20:14] I have a question, I dropped the ball on this, but I was wondering if the gtk3 indicator stuff made it in [20:14] ali1234: when was unity-greeter patched? [20:14] micahg: yup, it's all in [20:14] great news [20:14] ochosi: ok, so shell init and send an event? yes that's the correct way [20:14] thanks [20:15] emmmh, yeah [20:15] something distracted me, and couldn't be around [20:15] did you get anything discussed? [20:15] ochosi: this is the unity-greeter patch, it's identical: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/unity-greeter/upstart-indicators/+merge/192936 [20:15] micahg: yup, we also got upstream releases of the panel and the indicator-plugin [20:15] ali1234: yup, our greeter indicator-loading was refreshed quite recently, that's why i wanted to know. it works nicely currently [20:16] ochosi: same thing needs to go into the plugin too, so we use upstart instead of xdg-autostart [20:16] ok, i see [20:16] if it hasn't already gone in that is [20:16] haven't checked the plugin in a while [20:17] knome: we just talked a bit about the gtk3 indicator status [20:18] (that was one of the carried-forward items on the meeting agenda) [20:19] for those of you who want to test the settings dialog for lightdm-gtk-greeter, there are packages for trusty here: https://launchpad.net/~kalgasnik/+archive/ppa [20:19] we'll hopefully be able to set up a proper PPA soon [20:20] okay [20:20] fwiw, this is the project: https://launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings [20:29] elfy: i noticed my keyboard layout went funny today [20:29] oh good [20:29] it was set to UK + extended winkeys which means my backquote key was acting strange [20:29] mmm - mine was set to US [20:30] lderan saw the same thing [20:30] in the settings there is layout and then sub-variant [20:30] there's no "default" variant so i had to select the top level layout which is kind of weird [20:30] i dunno if this is related [20:31] i might have just made a mistake while installing [20:31] yea - I pick the top level - no idea if it's related [20:31] i haven't tried the installer recently [20:37] qatracker xchat test message [20:38] thanks tryxchat - someone reads my mails then :) === tryxchat is now known as wickscherrycoke [20:39] the [20:41] will be back if they follow it properly :p [20:41] :) [20:55] dangit, mpv requires ndividia restricted? but i want to keep nouveau :( [21:08] elfy, seems you met my friend tryxchat -- don't know about mails though :) [21:20] hm, the whole kb layout thing is odd [21:20] there is a patch for the greeter to add kb-layout support, but we're past feature-freeze now... [21:22] ochosi: had a look at the lightdm settings thing - will look properly tomorrow [21:22] ok cool [21:22] thanks elfy [21:22] well - I have really had enough of today - night all [21:22] welcome ochosi :) [21:23] elfy, tks [21:25] ali1234: what bothers me more than the 1px offset in the gtk2 buttons is the cut bottom part of buttons in gtk3 :/ [21:26] i've dug around enough to produce a workaround, but it's fugly [21:27] sorry I missed the meeting :( thought I'd make it, but my cold disagreed [21:27] actually there wasn't one [21:28] that is, you weren't the only one missing it ;) [21:28] so I see :) [21:46] slickymaster: If you'd have placed a bet, you'd be a richer man. :P [21:46] knome: should we re-schedule the missed meeting for tomorrow? [21:47] that's not better for me [21:47] different time? [21:48] different time works, but is there something that needs to be done/discussed before next thursday? [21:48] not sure, there are a few items on the agenda [21:48] we could theoretically resolve some of them without a meeting as well i guess [21:49] sure [21:49] i'd imagine somewhat many people are around now [21:49] Unit193: I knew it was a safe bet [21:50] slickymaster: I did ping you with the link afterall. :P [21:50] did you get to saw revision 149 of my MP? [21:50] knome: i'm not against doing an impromptu one now if you want ;) [21:50] qatracker: Light-locker in Xubuntu Desktop for Trusty Daily -- xscreensaver seems to lock screen. Whatis/whereis light-locker [21:52] schproodle: you have to purge xscreensaver [21:52] ochosi, well start a discussion... ;) [21:52] ok [21:54] Unit193: did you get to saw revision 149 of my MP? [21:54] ochosi, got it, thanks [21:58] slickymaster: Not yet, will soon. [21:59] anyone else here who can confirm this visual bugin the greeter? http://goput.it/z4zk.png [21:59] asking cause i can't reproduce it but i have a patch that needs testing... [22:00] (explanation: enter wrong password in the 14.04 greeter, red(!) infobar pops up telling you you entered a wrong password) [22:00] (in this screenshot it's obviously white, which is bad and unintended) [22:01] howto do a Ctrl+Alt+F7 in vm Virtualbox to test light-locker [22:01] schproodle: you need to use the virtual-box modifier key [22:02] (i think by default right ctrl) [22:02] ok I will try that one [22:03] so right-ctrl + f7 [22:03] (the modifier key is displayed in the right bottom corner of the virtualbox window/statusbar) [22:09] right-ctrl is a sub for ctrl+alt ?? [22:10] in the virtualbox-window, yes [22:10] right-ctrl + f7 did not seem to do anything eh [22:10] well i have no clue what modifier-key you use [22:11] ochosi, OK thanks :) [22:15] ochosi: yes, with the greybird version installed by the shimmer-themes package [22:16] wait a minute.. I already told you that some days ago :) [22:16] brainwash: great! [22:16] well, i was asking whether anyone was *around* with that bug :) [22:16] anyhoo, i can pastebin the diff in a few secs [22:16] I fixed it by adding some code from git8master [22:17] git/master [22:17] ok [22:18] It was this block which I've copied from upstream https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/blob/master/gtk-3.0/gtk-widgets.css#L107 [22:19] no clue why it was broken in the first place and why this change magically fixed it [22:19] wait, last time you said that you already had the stuff from that commit local [22:20] uhm, I copied the linked block over to the greybird theme provided by the shimmer-themes package (trusty) [22:21] ah ok [22:21] still, weird that that worked [22:21] usually I use the git version, so I've never noticed this issue [22:22] and light-locker-settings also works for you (the infobar)? [22:22] I did not test it yet [22:23] so where is your pastebin diff? :) [22:24] well if the git-master version fixes things, then there's no need for additional changes [22:24] (pastebin would've been here, but it's useless now i guess: http://dpaste.com/1667584/ ) [22:24] i'll just ask elfy to update to greybird from git and test that again tomorrow [22:25] if he confirms it's fixed, i can cross that one off my list [22:26] the strange thing is that the upstream commit has been added some days ago, but the infobar looked fine before that also (git/master) [22:27] yeah, that's why i wanted to try this patch [22:27] but anyway, i'll have to wait for elfy or Gridcube then [22:32] brainwash: i'm wondering why that gtk3 cut buttons is bugging you less than me... [22:34] ochosi: bigger fonts is the secret :) this way you never see cut buttons [22:34] that's a very fugly workaround [22:34] if you don't see it, it won't bug you :P [22:34] http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-233419.php [22:34] try to do this with bigger fonts ^ [22:34] still ugly [22:35] also, i'd have to bump droid sans to 11(!) for the bug to disappear [22:35] the gnome guys will fix it soon, they'll simply remove the buttons and call it an improvement [22:36] i'm afraid they won't fix it because it doesn't affect them [22:36] did they add some magic to their default theme? [22:36] no idea, the adwaita engine seems to work around that [22:37] also, using svg/png assets for the buttons also fixes it [22:37] even unico doesn't expose the bug [22:37] (which is why ubuntu folks aren't seeing it) [22:37] :( [22:38] silly_cut_buttons [22:39] yeah, that's a fugly workaround [22:39] i'm working on a better one right now [22:41] huhu [22:41] bumping only the button-font looks fun: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-234144.php [22:42] (and works) [22:49] can't find light-locker-setting for testing [22:49] it's still only available from a PPA: https://launchpad.net/~light-locker-settings-team/+archive/stable [22:50] stuck in upload-queue [22:51] ochosi, should I test with the ppa? [22:51] schproodle: yes, please [22:52] oh, I see elfy's mail-archive message === GridCube_ is now known as GridCube