[00:52] <xubuntu935> Hello, I am in need of some assistance with getting my dell latitude D430 connected to the internet, I was able to before i updated, but not afterwards, Ill get back to you in a second with the actual error message
[00:56] <xubuntu935> "secure connection failed - an error occured during a connection to *********** - ssl peer reports incorrect message authentication code. - error code: ssl_error_bad_mac_alert"
[01:03] <holstein> xubuntu935: usually, if an upgrade breaks something, i'll try booting the older kernel and test
[01:03] <holstein> i would try pinging the gateway, and see exactly what isnt connected
[01:04] <xubuntu935> I apologize, I am not very experienced, how does one go aout doing that?
[01:05] <holstein> xubuntu935: just ask for what you need.. are you trying to ask "how do i ping my gateway?"?
[01:06] <holstein> i can tell you how i do that... i run ifconfig in a terminal, and get my machine's IP.. which is a troubleshooting step in its self.. *if* im getting an IP, i determine my gateway address and ping it
[01:06] <holstein> 192.168.1.1 where i am
[01:07] <holstein> i use, in a terminal, the command.. "ping 192.168.1.1" for example
[01:07] <holstein> this tells me, i *am* getting an IP, and i can ping the gateway... so, it could be something to do with DNS
[01:10] <xubuntu935> ok ill give this a shot
[01:21] <xubuntu935> I need to install the "appropriate LSB packages" and I need 3.0 or higher, which one is the right one? There are a lot of options http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb/download
[01:22] <holstein> xubuntu935: why? do "fix" the issue?
[01:24] <holstein> xubuntu935: i read the tools there are all for linux, so they should just work.. you should elaboarate as to what you want, and what you are doing.. the tools may already be in the repo
[01:26] <xubuntu935> I am trying a different aproach at the moment, to get on to my schools wifi and they want me to run this "dissolvable agent.bin" and i cant without LSB 3.0 or higher
[01:27] <xubuntu935> befoe this i was attempting to connect via an unprotected network
[01:36] <holstein> xubuntu935: so, this is unrelated to your upgrade? then?
[01:37] <xubuntu849> does anyone know how to install bitcoin client on ubuntu?
[01:37] <Poisoned_Dragon> I believe it's in the repo
[01:37] <Poisoned_Dragon> lemme look
[01:37] <holstein> !bitcoin
[01:38] <xubuntu849> yes the one and only
[01:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> Ah, there is a bitcoin client, but it's not the one from the website.
[01:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> Could always download a deb from them.
[01:38] <xubuntu849> a what?
[01:39] <holstein> i would try the one in the repos, then, follow the directions at whatever site you are looking at if you prefer it
[01:39] <xubuntu849> whats a deb?
[01:39] <holstein> xubuntu849: a .deb would be the installer file, if they provide you with one
[01:39] <xubuntu849> oh ok
[01:39] <xubuntu849> yeah i'm new to ubuntu so i'll play around a bit then come back with more questions
[01:40] <Poisoned_Dragon> bitcoin.org hosts bitcoin-qt
[01:40] <holstein> xubuntu849: if you dont know what a .deb is, just open the software manager of your choice, search "bitcoin" and try the one Poisoned_Dragon is referencing
[01:40] <xubuntu849> thanks guys
[01:40] <Poisoned_Dragon> otherwise...electrum is in the repos
[01:40] <xubuntu935> well atm i am using ethernet, I think the upgrade was still relevant, i am not able to connect to anything except to the schools page tellin me to run the dissolveable agent.  before the upgrade, I was able to connect to the unseccured network
[01:40] <Poisoned_Dragon> both are recommended by bitcoin
[01:42] <holstein> xubuntu935: you were able to connect before the upgrade.. nothing about the upgrade would make your school require you to do something new
[01:43] <Poisoned_Dragon> for future reference, electrum has the advantage of not needing to download the blockchain. that is stored on a remote server.
[01:43] <xubuntu935> no no not at all, i never tried to connect to the school network before today, before the upgrade i was using a diferent network. Now i cant get on that network, which is not a big deal if I can get onto the school network
[01:44] <holstein> xubuntu935: the upgrade shouldnt break your connecting.. if you think it did, try booting an older kernel
[01:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> Do we even know what was upgraded, recently?
[01:45] <holstein> xubuntu935: if you have had an upgrade "break" your wifi device support, then, you could be troubleshooting something with the school network now that is not going to work
[01:45] <xubuntu935> and to do so, I need to run this "dissolvable agent" that will scan my comp and approve it to connect to the internet
[01:45] <holstein> xubuntu935: also, if you hardare has malfuncitioned
[01:45] <xubuntu935> the school network*
[01:45] <holstein> xubuntu935: does "dissovlable agent" support linux?
[01:45] <xubuntu935> yes, specificaly for linux
[01:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> I've never heard of such a concept.
[01:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> Never joined a wifi access that required a software download.
[01:46] <xubuntu935> just needs LSB 3.0 or higher to run
[01:46] <holstein> xubuntu935: you have downloaded a *.bin file, correct?
[01:46] <xubuntu935> i swear it is ligitimate, and yes, a .bin
[01:47] <holstein> xubuntu935: http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-execute-a-run-or-bin-file-in-ubuntu
[01:47] <holstein> xubuntu935: just try running the .bin they require, and see if you get any errors
[01:49] <xubuntu935> "LSB 3.0 or higher not found.  Please instal the appropriate LSB packages"
[01:49] <xubuntu935> :(
[01:49] <holstein> xubuntu935: ask them what they require
[01:49] <xubuntu935> (also thank you for your help, I know it sucks dealing with noobs)
[01:49] <holstein> !lsb-core
[01:50] <holstein> !info lsb-core
[01:50] <holstein> wont hurt to try and install a few packages you find in the repos
[01:50] <holstein> lsb related
[01:54] <xubuntu935> what s "!info lsb-core" ? did not do anythn interminal. what is reposetory?
[01:54] <xubuntu935> where is* repo?
[01:54] <holstein> xubuntu935: repo = repository...
[01:54] <holstein> xubuntu935: lsb-core is there... so, you can search the software package manager of your choice for lsb and install it
[01:55] <holstein> sudo apt-get install lsb-core in the terminal
[01:55] <holstein> may satisfy the requirement the error message is giving you
[01:56] <xubuntu935> i think we are getting somewhere!! woo!
[01:56] <xubuntu935> instal without verificaton?
[01:57] <xubuntu935> (i did yes)
[01:59] <xubuntu935> damn, after install, same error, will try again after reboot
[02:00] <holstein> xubuntu935: you'll need to ask them what you need
[02:00] <holstein> xubuntu935: they provide the package, and will let you know what you need
[02:01] <xubuntu935> sounds good, thanks for your help, have a good one
[03:10] <cubed_root> i downloaded something from the Unbuntu Software Center (USC), i want to get the latest version.  should there be an update in USC?
[03:10] <cubed_root> (it's the x11vnc server)
[03:10] <Unit193> It'll come with the updates to the system.
[03:11] <cubed_root> i just applied an update today, so i'm guessing the update i'm looking for just hasn't made it into xubuntu's updates
[03:11] <cubed_root> ...or maybe i'll try rebooting
[03:51] <Travis> How do I get my computer to login as the usual Xubuntu desktop, rather than command line?
[03:52] <Unit193> Travis: How do you mean?  Is it not pulling up lightdm by default?
[03:53] <Travis> no
[03:53] <Travis> I plugged in a different keyboard and mouse.  Now it's going to command line
[03:53] <Unit193> 1. Is lightdm still installed?  2. What's  cat /proc/cmdline say?
[03:55] <Travis> 2.  BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinux-3.2.0-59-generic root=UUID..........
[03:56] <Travis> Am going to the actual XFCE interface.  It's easier for me to do GUI.
[03:56] <Travis> I am not well versed in command line.
[04:06] <Unit193> Travis: I was actually looking if it had  text  in that.
[04:06] <Unit193> Err.
[04:26] <cubed_root> so i'm trying to get x11vnc to run at startup, i have the scripts in ~/.config/autostart and ran chmod +x on the file
[04:26] <cubed_root> but it won't run on start up, even though it runs when i run the command manually
[04:26] <Unit193> I use an upstart job.  You need to use a desktop file in .config/autostart/
[04:27] <cubed_root> is there anywhere i can just drop this script for it to run at startup?
[05:25] <xubuntu553> lots of folks in the room but no one talking
[05:25] <xubuntu553> hello room
[05:27] <Unit193> Howdy.  Likely because it's late or nobody needs support right this second.
[08:05] <_maddy> hi all
[08:05] <fixdtilbr0k> hey _maddy
[08:05] <Unit193> Howdy.
[08:06] <_maddy> when I open a new terminal in xubuntu, it starts in / directory, even though I would like to start in my home dir, (no idea what changed it), any tips?
[08:06] <fixdtilbr0k> up drinken coffee Unit193/_maddy just installed xubuntu first time, liken it
[08:06] <fixdtilbr0k> nice and light
[08:06] <_maddy> good :)
[08:06] <Unit193> _maddy: That's not default, check your .bashrc
[08:07] <_maddy> what would I look for in .bashrc?
[08:07] <Unit193> For example, a  cd  line.
[08:08] <_maddy> don't see one, strangest thing is that I didn't change anything either, other than install updates
[08:26] <_maddy> any tips guys? :)
[08:31] <fixdtilbr0k> i just ran updates, first night on xubuntu/seconion
[08:31] <fixdtilbr0k> setting up the ips etc.
[08:32] <_maddy> well it is easy system to work with
[08:32] <fixdtilbr0k> see if i can figure the / directory thing out
[08:32] <fixdtilbr0k> for ya, whoops
[08:34] <_maddy> yeah, it's not a huge problem for me so don't worry
[08:35] <fixdtilbr0k> seems like what was mentioned earlier was it, just add the line to your bashrc file, add the line say cd home
[08:36] <fixdtilbr0k> or any directory ya want, not sure why an update would change that, if that doesn't work and can't find anything on google maybe try another terminal app uninstall the default one then reinstall
[08:36] <Unit193> (bashrc shouldn't use 'cd' at all, though.)
[08:37] <Unit193> _maddy: Perhaps it's how you launch it?
[08:37] <fixdtilbr0k> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/change-default-bash-directory-in-gnome-terminal-288622/
[08:37] <fixdtilbr0k> that's the google fu messdupinfo i found, never had to do that so not sure
[08:37] <Sohail-Ahmed> Can any body have a clue of the makefile error: *** missing separator.  Stop.
[08:38] <Unit193> Sohail-Ahmed: Going to have to be more specific there.
[08:39] <Sohail-Ahmed> thanks for responding, I have made a make file and when I run it using $ make, I got the above mentioned error.
[08:39] <Unit193> Can you pastebin it?
[08:40] <fixdtilbr0k> no idea if this helps but found this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/programming-9/makefile-4-***-missing-separator-stop-607369/
[08:46] <Sohail-Ahmed> I am unable to pastebin it, I am trying to sent you my make fil
[08:47] <_maddy> fixdtilbr0k: thanks, will check that out
[08:47] <Unit193> Mmmm, that dcc send won't work.  Try http://paste.progval.net/ perhaps?
[08:47] <fixdtilbr0k> yeah but i'm not solid on that, Unit193 is most likely on the money
[08:48] <fixdtilbr0k> hey man don't send me shit
[08:48] <fixdtilbr0k> no offense, i don't know ya
[08:48] <fixdtilbr0k> and ask first
[08:48] <Sohail-Ahmed> I already asked it
[08:48] <fixdtilbr0k> paste the thing if ya can't do that then dunno
[08:49] <Sohail-Ahmed> OK fine
[08:49] <fixdtilbr0k> yeah i don't mean to be rude so no disrespect meant on ya,  i'm new here
[08:50] <fixdtilbr0k> plus, i ain't a coder, i'd goof yer stuff up :)
[08:51] <Unit193> (Also, it wouldn't work as that's a LAN IP. :P )
[08:51] <Sohail-Ahmed> Its not that big and just a fortran calling script
[08:52] <Sohail-Ahmed> I have used pastebin earlier, and its not working now, its stuck at pastebin.ca/index.php
[08:53] <Unit193> http://pastebin.ca/2647537 That it?
[08:54] <Unit193> Line 12/13 should be the problem.
[08:57] <Unit193> Sohail-Ahmed: http://pastebin.ca/raw/2647540 that help?
[08:58] <fixdtilbr0k> yeah that make the vpn fart
[08:58] <fixdtilbr0k> holy low on coffee, "that'd"
[09:03] <Unit193> sohail-ahmed1: Did you see my reply?
[10:40] <binali> Hello. How can help me?)
[10:40] <binali> Who can help me?)))
[10:40] <binali> I'm sorry)
[10:43] <slickymasterWork> !ask ! binali
[10:44] <slickymasterWork> !ask | binali
[10:44] <binali> Okay) Sorry for my english! =)
[10:45] <slickymasterWork> what's your problem binali?
[10:45] <binali> How can I add element in system category in the xfce menu.?
[10:47] <slickymasterWork> binali, assuming that you're not using xubuntu 14.04, please refer to this: https://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[10:55] <binali> Thank you man, i'm using Xubuntu 13.10.=)
[11:02] <slickymasterWork> binali: no problem
[11:13] <Sohail-Ahmed> I am having a little problem with my makefile.
[11:24] <binali> What is problem?
[16:30] <Meerkat> how do I change the default email client in Xubuntu? When I click 'Mail reader' at the top of the main menu Thunderbird starts. I want Sylpheed instead.
[16:30] <Meerkat> (xubuntu 13.10)
[16:32] <GridCube> uninstall thunderbird?
[16:34] <GridCube> go to >setting manager >preffered applications > Mail > change the mail reader
[16:35] <Meerkat> thanks. Can't believe I have missed that entry in settings so many times. :) Solved!
[16:36] <GridCube> :)
[16:36]  * GridCube still thinks that having just one program to do a task its a better solution
[16:38] <Meerkat> problem with uninstalling default packages is dependency issues. I'd have to remove the language packs for thunderbird, and those packs wants to remove the kernel and that kind of bullshit. I'm not in the mood to create metapackages. Easier to just change the default. =)
[16:54] <GridCube> ?
[16:54] <GridCube> it did?
[16:54] <GridCube> please send a bug report Meerkat
[16:54] <GridCube> it should never go that far
[16:55]  * GridCube has uninstalled thunderbird on all his installs always and nothing happens
[17:03] <nicko> Hello! i am new at xubuntu and i want to ask you something
[17:04] <nicko> on the terminal when i am using who -ublH
[17:04] <nicko> i am getting multiple virtual terminals at the same time
[17:05] <nicko> for example
[17:05] <nicko> LOGIN    tty4         2014-02-27 14:41               869 id=4
[17:05] <nicko> LOGIN    tty5         2014-02-27 14:41               875 id=5
[17:05] <nicko> LOGIN    tty2         2014-02-27 14:41               881 id=2
[17:06] <nicko> LOGIN    tty3         2014-02-27 14:41               882 id=3
[17:06] <nicko> and 1-2 more
[17:06] <knome> nicko, please
[17:06] <nicko> how its possible?!
[17:06] <knome> !pastebin | nicko
[17:06] <nicko> oh ok sorry my bad let me check it
[17:06] <knome> nicko, they are the TTY's in ctrl+alt+F1...
[17:06] <nicko> so thats mean that i have pressedin 5-6 times the ctrl alt f1?
[17:06] <knome> no
[17:07] <knome> the TTY's are always open
[17:07] <nicko> and why to have always so many TTYS Open?
[17:07] <knome> but naturally, you will have to log in via them to be able to do anything
[17:07] <knome> there's nothing wrong with having them open.
[17:08] <nicko> oke thank so much :)
[17:08] <knome> (that's the default for all xubuntu installations)
[17:09] <jimzzo> hola
[17:09] <nicko> ok from curiousity is a difference at other rpm family?
[17:09] <nicko> like a fedora distro?
[17:09] <nicko> have only one tty?
[17:09] <jimzzo> alguna persona que hable español que me pueda ayudar
[17:09] <knome> nicko, "other rpm family"? xubuntu isn't using rpm... and i don't know about fedora really. i would guess they have more TTY's as well.
[17:10] <knome> !es | jimzzo
[17:10] <nicko> aha ok thank you :) yes my bad! xubuntu is debian family
[17:39] <xubuntu741> hi all! New xubuntu user here ;)
[17:40] <xubuntu741> i have a question about xubuntu/xfce though
[17:40] <cfhowlett> !ask
[17:40] <xubuntu741> ok
[17:41] <xubuntu741> if a app has a icon in user/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/
[17:41] <xubuntu741> where do i place a icon of my own, so that it will be persistant?
[17:42] <xubuntu741> i tried .local/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/ but with no luck
[17:50] <nicko> what you mean?!
[17:50] <nicko> if you know the path of the app's icon
[17:50] <nicko> you just pick one yours and you just copy paste it
[17:54] <xubuntu741> that will only work until the app recieves an update. the new deb will replace the icon in whatever the place/path was
[17:55] <GridCube> xubuntu741,  do you want to make a custom launcher?
[17:55] <GridCube> or you want to change an internal icon?
[17:55] <nicko> i guess he wants to just change a internal icon but without the fear that it will replaced when the application will make a update
[17:56] <xubuntu741> i only want to change the icon of a specific app. synapse to be precise,
[17:56] <GridCube> xubuntu741, again, if its the launcher for the app, or internally on itself
[17:57] <GridCube> if its the launcher you can just point the icon to whatever icon you want to use, regardles on where it is
[19:05] <Miltos> Hi ;-)
[19:05] <Miltos> I started Xubnuntu from command line with >startxfce4 and now the system crashed!
[19:07] <bekks> Why dont you use a lightdm or gdm insteadD?
[19:09] <Miltos> bekks: I like xfce4...
[19:09] <bekks> And?
[19:09] <bekks> You can still use lightdm or gdm for starting X.
[19:10] <Miltos> bekks: how to download?
[19:11] <krysztal> Soo... Now I cannot install xubuntu if i dont have pae? Thanks...
[19:11] <nicko> :P
[19:11] <nicko> "/dev/null are something like recycle bin?
[19:11] <bekks> Miltos: sudo apt-get install ...?
[19:12] <bekks> nicko: No. /dev/null is the null target.
[19:12] <nicko> whats means this exactly in linux world? :(
[19:12] <krysztal> Is there any way to get xubuntu 13.10 without pae?
[19:12] <Miltos> bekks: ok thanks I will give it a try
[19:22] <krysztal> Seriously, I need new system for my notebook, and I cannot install it :(
[19:22] <krysztal> So is there any way to get xubuntu 13.10 without pae enabled in kernel?
[19:25] <krysztal> Hey! Please, help...
[19:27] <maci_> hi, I'm using xubuntu 12.10.3 on my old Dell Latitude D-505 and I'd like to share my display with my Samsung HDTV via s-video-scart cable. Is there anyone who can help me how to do it?
[20:05] <nicko> kinda off topic but i always was curious too
[20:06] <nicko> cpe-184-56-75-165.neo.res.rr.com this part after @ when you doing whois at the people around irc
[20:06] <nicko> what is?
[20:06] <nicko> the host of the dslam?!
[20:06] <nicko> namehost
[20:06] <PhoenixSTF> hey guys I get a blurry thing on a Xubuntu vm guest on KVM, any body knows about this issue?
[20:09] <bekks> PhoenixSTF: Describe "blurry thing".
[20:10] <PhoenixSTF> the Panels are blurry, like in white and with verticals bars
[20:10] <PhoenixSTF> thunar and the rest is ok, just the Panels that are blurry.
[20:12] <TheSheep> blurry or just transparent?
[20:13] <PhoenixSTF> like this http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=221700&d=1343096784
[20:13] <TheSheep> The administrator may have required you to register before you can view this page.
[20:13] <TheSheep> beautiful
[20:13] <PhoenixSTF> lol
[20:13] <PhoenixSTF> ubuntu SSO
[20:13] <PhoenixSTF> on top
[20:14] <PhoenixSTF> let me try to upload somewhere else
[20:14] <TheSheep> what were they thinking, seriously
[20:14] <PhoenixSTF> where can I upload image?
[20:16] <PhoenixSTF> TheSheep, http://picpaste.com/xubuntu-xfce-panel-blurred-HE3Zep1o.png
[20:18] <TheSheep> aww, that looks like rendering artifacts
[20:18] <TheSheep> PhoenixSTF: you can try disabling compositing
[20:18] <TheSheep> PhoenixSTF: and disabling panel transparency
[20:18] <TheSheep> PhoenixSTF: see if that helps
[20:26] <PhoenixSTF> TheSheep, how do I do that?
[20:26] <TheSheep> PhoenixSTF: panel transparency -- right-click on the panel, select 'panel preferences', change transparency in the second tab
[20:26] <sleezio> hello, i have the latest stable google earth deb from google installed, but the panoramia images don't load, i just get a blank white ballon, i've googled this problem and seen lots of people have this prob on other distros with fixes, but none work for xubuntu, has anyone found a fix for xubuntu? can someone with google earth installed(ver 7.1) verify that their panaromia images don't load as well?
[20:26] <TheSheep> PhoenixSTF: compositing -- in settings select 'window manager tweaks', disable it in the last tab
[20:27] <TheSheep> sleezio: as far as I know, google earth is closed source and the only people in the world who can debug or fix it are the google employees, so you should contact them for support
[20:28] <PhoenixSTF> TheSheep, NOp
[20:30] <PhoenixSTF> TheSheep, it did not help, still fuzzy and broken
[20:31] <TheSheep> :(
[20:31] <TheSheep> PhoenixSTF: sorry, I have no other ideas
[20:32] <PhoenixSTF> TheSheep, its ok :) thanks anyway!
[20:56] <joe_black> wow im installing alpha 2 right now and checked the daily build and beta 1 was just released /facepalm
[21:03] <zsw__> can someone tell me if i can go through bios to boot the 32bit Kali i downloaded
[21:06] <hylian> hello all
[21:06] <zsw__> hi
[21:06] <zsw__> can you help me
[21:07] <hylian> zsw__: i can try, what's up?
[21:07] <zsw__>  can go through bios to boot the 32bit Kali i downloaded
[21:07] <zsw__> ?
[21:08] <hylian> zsw__: i am assuming you used something like unetbootin to put it on a usb key?
[21:09] <zsw__> nope downloaded from kali.org and tried v-box and it didn’t work at all
[21:09] <hylian> zsw__: ok, so what exactly is the problem? are you asking me how to get bios to boot it, are you asking me if it is possible for the bios to boot it..??
[21:10] <zsw__> both
[21:10] <hylian> so did you put it on a usb key or cd/dvd yet?
[21:10] <sleezio> possibly boot order...boot priority > HDD first...then go into HDDs, set your USB drive as first HDD
[21:10] <hylian> hello cub
[21:10] <zsw__> i don’t have a very keen scene of my pc at all
[21:11] <hylian> zsw__: do you need to know how to put it on a usb key or dvd?
[21:12] <hylian> sleezio: i was going to suggest that too, but I am not all that certain zsw__ has gotten that far...
[21:12] <zsw__> i know how to make a bootable usb my only prob is i dont have eneugh memory on usb. only 4GB and kalis 3.2 gigs
[21:12] <cub> hello hylian
[21:13] <hylian> zsw__: unless you have other things on the usb key, that should be enough space. so are you saying that it doesn't want to boot?
[21:14] <zsw__> no i cleared usb i just need like 2GB left on stick to boot
[21:14] <zsw__> and btw i might be yonger than like everyone here.
[21:15] <hylian> zsw__: the only reason why that would be the case though is if you have a very small amount of ram in that machine. i've put a 2gb distro on a 2gb usb key and booted just fine with a computer with 1gb or more ram
[21:16] <hylian> zsw__: actually, I am usually the oldest guy here, and I am only 42.
[21:16] <zsw__> well i have a dual core intell prosessor. so
[21:16] <zsw__> im 12
[21:16] <zsw__> idk ram
[21:16] <hylian> zsw__: so exactly what does it do when you try to boot it?
[21:17] <zsw__> it says not eneugh room on usb to make bootable
[21:17] <zsw__> one sec
[21:18] <hylian> zsw__: ok so you are having difficulties before you ever even get to the boot stage. the other option ofcoarse would be to use a smaller iso size linux distro, like Xubuntu 12.04 64 bit, for instance. or if you can get a dual layer dvd or blueray disk, burning it would work too.
[21:19] <hylian> zsw__: what are you using to create that usb key? i suggest finding a version of unetbootin that will work for your os and using that. I've never had any issues with it.
[21:21] <zsw__> I cant find usb all i have now is a stupid 2GB stick
[21:22] <hylian> zsw__: ahh i see. well there are a lot of distro's that fall under the 2gb iso size...
[21:22] <cub> isn't there a mini xubuntu now?
[21:23] <hylian> zsw__: for instance, Xubuntu 12.04 64 bit is 712.0 MB (746,586,112 Bytes)
[21:23] <cub> ah no, the mini might be for trusty.
[21:23] <zsw__> can i dual-boot kali and xubuntu/ubuntu so more like tri-boot
[21:24] <hylian> cub: could be. mini in hardware usage or iso size though would be the question.
[21:24] <cub> hylian, not sure, I just saw an email on the dev-list about it
[21:24] <hylian> zsw__: yes, it's do-able. i have never done it myself, but I have seen walkthoughs on doing it.
[21:24] <zsw__> if i download 64bit kali can i boot from 2GB usb?
[21:25] <koegs> depends of the size of the iso-file...
[21:25] <zsw__> right
[21:25] <cub> zsw__, yes, I run windows and three different linux on this pc
[21:25] <zsw__> so how do i dual bot
[21:25] <cub> but not if you're hoping to set it up on an usb?
[21:25] <hylian> zsw__: not if the iso ksize is larger than 2gb... that's why i was pointing away from kali. i think your options are a) get a smaller iso sized distro or b) buy bigger medium, like a 16gb usb stick.
[21:26] <zsw__> im 12
[21:26] <hylian> a 2gb stick is only going to hold at best a 2gb distro. kali is huge
[21:26] <zsw__> and my parents are broke
[21:26] <zsw__> not 64bit
[21:27] <cub> zsw__, where are you located?
[21:27] <hylian> zsw__: well there are a lot of options. i've been touting the Xubuntu flag here, but if you give us an idea of what you are looking for, we probably could find a solution you could use.
[21:27] <hylian> Xubuntu comes in 32 bit as well. (I'm just a 64 bit user)
[21:28] <zsw__> i just want kali not v-box virtion ether
[21:28] <zsw__> and whats mini iso
[21:28] <zsw__> iso is android
[21:29] <hylian> zsw__: exactly that, a version of the operating system with as much "fat" trimmed off as possible to bring the size of the iso down.
[21:29] <zsw__> oh pk can i boot on pc?
[21:29] <hylian> zsw__: so why do you want kali exactly? maybe the kali people make a slimmer version with the options you need
[21:30] <zsw__> i like hacking even though im not very good. i dont like mlitious hacking i just enjoy computers and lerning
[21:30] <hylian> zsw__: ohh yeah, mini iso's boot just fine, but they have less of the "out of the box" applications pre-installed. if you don't need these extra apps, it's no big deal. if you do and you have slow internet, it could be an issue.
[21:31] <cub> zsw__, Kali mini iso should work on 2 GB usb: "A USB Key (at least 2GB capacity for mini, 4GB for regular)."
[21:31] <zsw__> ok
[21:31] <cub> though this is a bit off topic
[21:31] <hylian> zsw__: be sure to see if the kali mini version has the item(s) you require. The reason(s) you chose kali in the first place. :)
[21:32] <zsw__> ok i think so
[21:32] <hylian> cub: thanks for the heads up, didn't know kali mini existed.
[21:32] <cub> zsw__, but if you want to learn, install a ordinary xubuntu and add the applications you want afterwards.
[21:33] <hylian> yeah, good way to get to know the system.
[21:33] <cub> hylian, seems so now, but in another place in the documentation it said it required 8 GB usb..so which part of the documentation that's not updated, who knows
[21:33] <hylian> I know I sound like (and am) a Xubuntu fanboy, but this distro is my fae by far.
[21:34] <zsw__> i dont want to be called a script kiddy anymore so... im grageuateing to kali. i really want backtrack. but no more backtrack... so kali is cool to.
[21:34] <hylian> *fave
[21:34] <cub> well backtrack tranferred into Kali so it is backtrack per se
[21:34] <hylian> zsw__: ahh, i see... testing the defenses of a system aye? -_-;
[21:35] <zsw__> ok it done downloading kali
[21:35] <hylian> really.. didn't know about backtrack becoming kali. I haven't had a need to use backtrack in some time.
[21:36] <hylian> I have an old backtrack cd hanging around here somewhere... it's gotta be 5 years old by now.
[21:37] <cub> zsw__, I still recommend using an "ordinary" distro like xubuntu. you want to do other stuff than "hacking". If I were you, I would put my time into learning how to code instead..
[21:37] <hylian> cub: what app would you suggest for backing up all the installed apps and updates... (copying the /var/cache/apt/archives folder just does not do it)
[21:38] <zsw__> thanks for your opinion
[21:38] <cub> zsw__, and why not contribute to the project? =)
[21:38] <cub> hylian, oh not a good suggestions there. I need one myself.
[21:39] <holstein> clonezilla allows nice cloning backups
[21:40] <cub> My collegues are fond of Deja Dup
[21:40] <hylian> cub: yeah. i like to mess with other distro's for a month or two, but i end up always comeing back to xubuntu. the archive folder helpes a little, but i have horrible broadband and don't want to run install scripts for 5 hours everytime. I want to just back those all up so i have virtually no downloading to do
[21:40] <backnforth> Can someone please help me? I have a graphics card that's being read wrong.
[21:40] <holstein> backnforth: you mean, its not supporting linux?
[21:41] <hylian> backnforth: what exactly do you mean by "being read wrong"? i've never had that issue..??
[21:42] <backnforth> I have a 7870hd being read as a 7660d
[21:42] <holstein> backnforth: so? whats the issue?
[21:42] <holstein> backnforth: is it not functioning?
[21:42] <backnforth> still functioning, just not as good as it should be
[21:42] <hylian> backnforth: hmm, never heard of that one, going to have to do some digging. are you using Xubuntu 12.04, 13.10?? 32 bit, 64 bit?
[21:43] <holstein> backnforth: not as good as you think it should? or as good as it should be in *linux*? or what?
[21:43] <hylian> holstein: no the card is not reporting as the correct version of that card, so the improper drivers are being installed.
[21:43] <holstein> i doubt it
[21:43] <backnforth> 13.10
[21:44] <backnforth> I have the latest version of AMD Catalyst installed, too
[21:44] <holstein> its probably fine, and just not supporting linux as well as windows.. which is plausible
[21:44] <hylian> holstein: that's the impression i got any ways..
[21:44] <holstein> backnforth: you have the latest drivers from the repos?
[21:44] <backnforth> im not sure
[21:45] <Guest89313> sorry had to reboot pc
[21:45] <backnforth> Is there a way I can change/update the GPU driver?
[21:47] <Guest89313> its me zsw
[21:47] <hylian> Guest89313: hello zsw
[21:47] <holstein> backnforth: yes
[21:47] <Guest89313> i had to reboot my pc
[21:47] <holstein> backnforth: but, its not necessarily going to support it "better"
[21:48] <holstein> backnforth: are you using the driver from the repos?
[21:48] <backnforth> What repos?
[21:48] <holstein> backnforth: what driver are you using? and how did you obtain it? why do you think its not "as good as its supposed to be" ?
[21:48] <holstein> backnforth: the default ubuntu repositories..
[21:48] <backnforth> I'm not sure, considering I downloaded AMD's drivers
[21:49] <holstein> backnforth: from where? amd's site?
[21:49] <backnforth> holstein, yes
[21:49] <holstein> backnforth: you can also try the repo versions.. and PPA versions.. the open one
[21:49] <holstein> backnforth: you can also not assume that you can actualy make the suport any better
[21:50] <holstein> backnforth: the labeling is not an issue for me.. i have seen that where the label is close.. i dont think its the case where you have installed a driver for another piece of hardware
[21:50] <holstein> i think its the case that the driver that you have is doing the best it has been designed to do.. and you are expecting more
[21:50] <backnforth> 7880hd -> 7660d seems like a big jump
[21:50] <holstein> backnforth: its not "jumping" anything
[21:51] <backnforth> 7870hd -> 7660d seems like a big jump
[21:51] <holstein> backnforth: its just a label
[21:51] <holstein> backnforth: if you think its the wrong drive, try different ones..
[21:51] <holstein> driver*
[21:52] <hylian> backnforth: actually holstein is right. it's funny, but Linux is one of the ways you learn more about your system. That card is probably a 7660 with extra ram, better shaders and and updated rom. those things are added usually by the company you bought it from, not from ati/amd.
[21:54] <hylian> That's one of the reasons why I am a fan of viotek for my gaming cards, they ad some nice features to those cards, he he. :)
[21:55] <hylian> holstein: i have a strange feeling we may live in the same time zone... I'm from Wisconsin where it's hard to toss a rock without hitting a holstein...
[21:56] <holstein> hylian: its actually my last name :)
[21:58] <hylian> holstein: oops... he he.. :)
[22:00]  * hylian waves goodbye
[22:21] <nicko> Viotek?! first time i am hearing about this :D
[22:21] <nicko> i think the most famous and best they are MSI, ASUS and maybe GAINWARD?!