| valorie | same section: "Retaining largely the same user interface, it features great improvements in robustness." | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| valorie | maybe: While mostly retaining the familiar user interface, improvements make Muon now more robust. | 00:03 |
| valorie | "The new Plasma Network Manager features a redisgned user interface, giving you more control while retaining its simplistic design." | 00:08 |
| valorie | redesigned | 00:08 |
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| ScottK | valorie: It's a wiki. Just fix it. | 02:15 |
| valorie | oh, oops | 02:20 |
| valorie | sheesh | 02:20 |
| valorie | will do | 02:20 |
| valorie | done | 02:26 |
| manchicken | apachelogger: I'm going to plug away at the issues I have been having with saving before I start touching those bugs. | 03:08 |
| manchicken | Great... my dbus calls are failing... *sigh* | 03:20 |
| manchicken | Anybody good at troubleshooting dbus stuff? | 03:21 |
| manchicken | I think that this may be related to this error I'm seeing: WARNING: Installation prefix does not match PolicyKit install prefixes. You probably will need to move files installed in POLICY_FILES_INSTALL_DIR and by dbus_add_activation_system_service to the /usr prefix | 03:28 |
| manchicken | Sigh... this is much of what I had before. | 03:33 |
| valorie | manchicken: did you run the kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental command to update the kde config? | 03:35 |
| manchicken | valorie: The issue is that I'm trying to run this in parallel... which could be causing all of the bugs I'm seeing. | 03:44 |
| manchicken | I don't have a chroot set up. | 03:44 |
| valorie | ah, that is far above my experience | 03:45 |
| valorie | really the only thing I've built is amarok | 03:45 |
| valorie | and sometimes phonon and the backends | 03:45 |
| valorie | the only other thing I can think of is doing the exports | 03:45 |
| valorie | like in amarok, you do: | 03:45 |
| valorie | echo 'export KDEDIR=$HOME/kde' >> $HOME/.kde/env/myenv.sh | 03:45 |
| valorie | echo 'export KDEDIRS=$KDEDIR' >> $HOME/.kde/env/myenv.sh | 03:45 |
| valorie | echo 'export XDG_DATA_DIRS=$HOME/kde/share:$XDG_DATA_DIRS' >> $HOME/.kde/env/myenv.sh | 03:45 |
| valorie | or rather, *for* amarok | 03:46 |
| manchicken | I think almost all of this is polkit stuff. | 03:49 |
| manchicken | Is chroot what all the cool kids are using in the packaging arena these days? | 03:52 |
| valorie | I've heard them talk about it | 03:52 |
| valorie | but if you want to know about packaging you are asking the wrooooong person | 03:52 |
| valorie | lol | 03:52 |
| manchicken | heh | 03:54 |
| valorie | I read the instructions Riddell gives to the new packagers, but after a bit I can no longer understand | 03:55 |
| manchicken | Happy day: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment | 03:56 |
| valorie | :-) | 03:57 |
| ahoneybun | apachelogger, do you know anything about a deadline on the docs trello board about the screenshots? | 05:06 |
| ahoneybun | hey valorie | 05:06 |
| valorie | hi | 05:07 |
| valorie | just the person I want to talk to | 05:07 |
| valorie | are our docs totally done except for translations? | 05:08 |
| valorie | including up to date slides and screenshots? | 05:08 |
| ahoneybun | valorie, if your talking about the installlation part then yes | 05:09 |
| ahoneybun | I believe the other screenshots are good I'll look though them again | 05:09 |
| valorie | i'll go write an email about it to the translators then | 05:10 |
| ahoneybun | other then the installation page we only really have 1 screenshot and that is the one covering steam | 05:11 |
| valorie | cool | 05:12 |
| valorie | ok | 05:12 |
| ahoneybun | valorie, you know the command to upgrade to a testing version? | 05:12 |
| ahoneybun | beta 1 looks awesome | 05:12 |
| valorie | do-release-upgrade -d I think | 05:12 |
| ahoneybun | that does sound right | 05:13 |
| valorie | yes, man says so | 05:13 |
| * ahoneybun has Kubuntu 13.10 on his macbook and wants to try out the goodies of the new beta | 05:13 | |
| ahoneybun | valorie, did you put that deadline on the screenshot? | 05:15 |
| ahoneybun | on trello | 05:15 |
| valorie | no | 05:16 |
| ahoneybun | odd | 05:16 |
| valorie | I've barely had time to breathe it seems like | 05:16 |
| valorie | but at least I caught up on the kub-devel email | 05:17 |
| ahoneybun | with the house? | 05:17 |
| valorie | house and everything else | 05:17 |
| valorie | it's fine | 05:17 |
| ahoneybun | life pretty much | 05:18 |
| valorie | yeah | 05:18 |
| * ahoneybun needs to start brainstorming for the next docs release | 05:18 | |
| valorie | I've been going through all the old wiki pages while watching the daily show etc, and have marked a few as docs | 05:19 |
| valorie | IMO we should look at all the old doc stuff, and either move it to community (like how to build docs from launchpad) | 05:20 |
| valorie | or delete, unless it is a complete set correctly marked by release | 05:20 |
| ahoneybun | so what are we going to move to kde community? | 05:20 |
| valorie | no point in getting rid of historical docs | 05:21 |
| valorie | helps for new docs people, or links we need access to ourselves | 05:21 |
| valorie | dunno if any pages are good enough to *move* | 05:22 |
| ahoneybun | so we are moving tips/hints, guides, some important info pages? | 05:22 |
| valorie | but some might be useful to copy parts of | 05:22 |
| valorie | right, not stuff for users, but stuff for the doc team itself | 05:23 |
| valorie | I've seen some old stuff from darkwing | 05:23 |
| valorie | but I have no clue if his procedures still work | 05:23 |
| valorie | etc. | 05:23 |
| ahoneybun | I see | 05:23 |
| valorie | right now, just marking pages as rubbish, look again, useful, or docs | 05:24 |
| ahoneybun | if the pages are mostly for us then why does not techbase work better? | 05:24 |
| valorie | apachelogger marked a bunch of them already | 05:24 |
| valorie | that's a good question -- if you look at techbase, it is all about how to build and develop KDE software though | 05:25 |
| ahoneybun | the doc team seems to be a bit quiet | 05:25 |
| valorie | I don't see our stuff fitting there, unless maybe "how to package" information maybe | 05:25 |
| ahoneybun | relating to how to build a docs package? | 05:26 |
| valorie | I think harald's idea was to use community so it wouldn't bother anybody | 05:26 |
| ahoneybun | yea | 05:26 |
| valorie | perhaps you and he should talk about that | 05:26 |
| * valorie is only marking pages | 05:26 | |
| ahoneybun | I would think techbase would need lots of talking | 05:26 |
| ahoneybun | tbh I'm not fully understanding why we are copying content over | 05:27 |
| ahoneybun | because we see how moinmoin is horrible | 05:27 |
| valorie | moinmoin IS horrible | 05:28 |
| valorie | sometimes I have to wait a full minute for stuff to save | 05:28 |
| valorie | adding one category | 05:28 |
| ahoneybun | I guess I need to understand how we determine the category | 05:29 |
| valorie | like I said, most of the pages are just historical | 05:30 |
| valorie | I didn't even open them | 05:30 |
| ahoneybun | I see | 05:30 |
| ahoneybun | I g2g to sleep | 05:31 |
| valorie | sweet dreams, ahoneybun | 05:34 |
| soee | good morning | 07:09 |
| jussi | morning soee | 07:09 |
| jussi | did apachelogger get his screenshot eventually ? | 07:09 |
| valorie | I lost track | 07:10 |
| jussi | valorie: soee was going to make it... | 07:10 |
| soee | yes i asked him what should be on this screens yetserday after return from meeting and he said he has oen already | 07:11 |
| soee | ok can someone confirm that Forefox 28 beta landed in trusty updates or i have some extra repo ? | 07:13 |
| valorie | !info firefox trusty | 07:15 |
| ubottu | firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 28.0~b2+build1-0ubuntu2 (trusty), package size 24503 kB, installed size 59482 kB | 07:15 |
| soee | ok nice, finally :) | 07:15 |
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| apachelogger | ronnoc_: I think you are googleplussing the wrong way if you search for a type of thing, rather than the thing | 08:20 |
| apachelogger | manchicken: having not read the entire backlog, I'd say you should set your CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr (or you could just always install through package, also a possibility I guess) | 08:21 |
| apachelogger | valorie: thanks for beta1 page fixes | 08:21 |
| apachelogger | ahoneybun: I don't know anything about any deadline, if you link me a card or something I might | 08:21 |
| apachelogger | valorie, ahoneybun: the documentation we might be moving to community.kde is not general purpose packaging, it's very specific high-automation workflow documentation specific to us | 08:22 |
| valorie | I've enjoyed my journey through the wiki | 08:23 |
| valorie | so much history there | 08:23 |
| valorie | not nearly as much crap as i expected | 08:23 |
| valorie | not all that much useful stuff either though | 08:24 |
| valorie | you've found almost all of it already | 08:24 |
| soee | someone please post some info ong+ about beta1 :) | 08:35 |
| Mamarok | dear apachelogger: why does Trusty use the gstreamer backend as default? Shouldn't it use the vlc one? at least according to your own recommendations vlc is the preferred backend. | 09:43 |
| Mamarok | kde bug 331586, I closed it with comments | 09:44 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 331586 in general "Unable to play mp3 files" [Crash,Resolved: upstream] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331586 | 09:44 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: distro decision | 09:45 |
| Mamarok | crap | 09:46 |
| Mamarok | in other words: we will be flooded with crash reports | 09:46 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: ^ that was not a good idea | 09:47 |
| valorie | any chance of a gst upgrade in time? | 09:47 |
| Mamarok | valorie: that is not the problem, the problem is the current backend | 09:48 |
| Mamarok | and AFAIK the implementaiton with gstreamer 1.x is not nearly finished | 09:48 |
| Mamarok | Phonon developer recommendation: do not use the current gstreamer backend anymore, use the vlc one | 09:48 |
| valorie | ah, wishful thinking on my part | 09:48 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: is there really somebody working on the newer one or did that chap from Fedora already abandon the task? | 09:49 |
| apachelogger | he was thinking about pushign a alpha/beta the other day to get some testing on what is there | 09:49 |
| Mamarok | would be a good idea | 09:50 |
| apachelogger | also the phonon developer recommendation is: use the vlc backend if at all possible | 09:50 |
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| soee | muon by default is not avaialble in 14.04 ? | 10:53 |
| apachelogger | lordievader: did you see bug 1262779 when testing the OEM install? | 11:01 |
| ubottu | bug 1262779 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Trusty) "KDE oem-config requires extra Continue click to prevent crash" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1262779 | 11:01 |
| apachelogger | because I did not on amd64 | 11:01 |
| ronnoc | apachelogger: maybe, but many people use hashtags on G+ :p | 11:02 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 11:02 |
| apachelogger | it's not like I can make people use hashtags | 11:02 |
| ronnoc | for instance, if I want to see what ppl are saying about kubuntu (besides kubuntu itself) I would #kubuntu! | 11:03 |
| ronnoc | point taken tho | 11:03 |
| lordievader | apachelogger: The oem-installer didn't crash on me. | 11:04 |
| apachelogger | might be fixed then | 11:04 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: bug 1286090 | 11:17 |
| ubottu | bug 1286090 in kubuntu-driver-manager (Ubuntu) "reboot required" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1286090 | 11:17 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning folks | 11:44 |
| apachelogger | debian bug 631777 | 11:53 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 631777 in im-config "im-config: please downgrade zenity to Recommends" [Wishlist,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/631777 | 11:53 |
| apachelogger | BluesKaj: ahoy | 11:53 |
| * apachelogger wonders why im-config depends zenity|kdialog|dialog and in addition recommends dialog | 11:54 | |
| apachelogger | much weird | 11:54 |
| BluesKaj | Hi apachelogger | 11:56 |
| BluesKaj | beta1 today, or so says the email :) | 11:56 |
| apachelogger | having both libreoffice and calligra on the ISO is a really shitty thing -.- | 12:10 |
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| apachelogger | Riddell: https://trello.com/c/loyRLGfI | 13:26 |
| apachelogger | nice | 13:38 |
| apachelogger | ./debian/patches/plasma_netbook_fix_autostart.diff:+ options.add("noautostart", ki18n("Explicit --desktop enables autostart handling which may be disabled with this option")); | 13:38 |
| apachelogger | the debian is adding the strings to the upstream software | 13:38 |
| apachelogger | msgid "Debian policy compatibility, not used" | 13:38 |
| apachelogger | some are even completely pointless | 13:38 |
| apachelogger | much magic | 13:38 |
| apachelogger | #: src/akregator_part.cpp:194 | 13:39 |
| apachelogger | msgid "Kubuntu Wire" | 13:39 |
| apachelogger | and apparently we patch the akregator | 13:39 |
| apachelogger | also very fancy | 13:39 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: btw, I hope you remember when I note that maybe kf5 branches should be in another project than kubuntu-packaging | 13:40 |
| apachelogger | they are now actively screwing with the kubuntu-patched-l10n automation | 13:41 |
| * apachelogger calls it a week and heads out for a drink | 13:41 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: drinks at 3 ? :O | 13:46 |
| d_ed | could someone here do me a favour. Can you do an "ls -l ~/.cache/upstart/dbus.log" | 15:36 |
| d_ed | and tell me if it's insanely huge | 15:36 |
| d_ed | anything greater than a few Mb | 15:36 |
| shadeslayer | moment | 15:41 |
| shadeslayer | d_ed: 13M here | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer | though I have 7 other files gzip'd on disk | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer | wow | 15:43 |
| shadeslayer | d_ed: entire folder is 3.6 G | 15:43 |
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| sgclark | hello, can someone please review and push bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/plasma-framework Riddell is out until Monday | 15:58 |
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| shadeslayer | sgclark: push to where? | 16:16 |
| manchicken1 | apachelogger: I think that some of the issues I'm having are the dbus adaptor from my development version conflicting with the live one. | 16:17 |
| manchicken1 | That may even be the source of some of the weird behavior I'm seeing. | 16:17 |
| * shadeslayer is so angry at kconf_update right now | 16:17 | |
| manchicken1 | I'm thinking I need to move this into a chroot before continuing. | 16:17 |
| manchicken1 | Which sucks. | 16:17 |
| shadeslayer | the stupid thing is reading the wrong group from the kickoffrc of kubuntu-settings-desktop | 16:18 |
| sgclark | shadeslayer: experimental ppa? not entirely sure, Riddell has been helping me | 16:22 |
| shadeslayer | sgclark: is it blocking? | 16:50 |
| sgclark | shadeslayer: blocking? it is the final to finish up this round of kf5 | 16:59 |
| shadeslayer | hm ok | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer | sgclark: will have a look | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer | in another hour | 17:03 |
| sgclark | shadeslayer: ty | 17:04 |
| shadeslayer | no | 17:05 |
| shadeslayer | np | 17:05 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: apachelogger: so the upd script is busted | 18:11 |
| shadeslayer | for kickoffrc | 18:11 |
| shadeslayer | and I don't know how to fix it | 18:11 |
| shadeslayer | according to the documentation it should work | 18:11 |
| shadeslayer | code looks wonky though | 18:11 |
| shadeslayer | sgclark: patch doesn't apply? | 18:18 |
| shadeslayer | sgclark: http://paste.kde.org/pebbnzgko | 18:22 |
| shadeslayer | sgclark: poke poke | 18:35 |
| sgclark | shadeslayer: sorry was away | 19:11 |
| shadeslayer | so kwallet was renamed to kwalletmanager | 19:57 |
| shadeslayer | thoughts on preserving history? | 19:57 |
| shadeslayer | sgclark: fixed? | 20:21 |
| sgclark | shadeslayer: fixed what? | 20:21 |
| shadeslayer | sgclark: see http://paste.kde.org/pebbnzgko | 20:22 |
| sgclark | shadeslayer why is it downloading kprintutils? | 20:24 |
| shadeslayer | sgclark: because someone forgot to update the watch file :) | 20:25 |
| sgclark | oh i see | 20:25 |
| sgclark | shadeslayer ok fixed | 20:27 |
| shadeslayer | sgclark: thx, uploaded | 20:30 |
| shadeslayer | [PPA kubuntu-ppa-experimental] [ubuntu/trusty] plasma-framework 4.96.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa1 (Accepted) | 20:32 |
| sgclark | ty | 20:33 |
| ahoneybun | shadeslayer, where would I file a bug on Telepathy KDE? | 20:54 |
| Mamarok | ahoneybun: try this: https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=telepathy&format=guided | 20:55 |
| ahoneybun | Mamarok, thanks | 21:01 |
| Mamarok | you are welcome | 21:02 |
| ahoneybun | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331632 | 21:13 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 331632 in auth-handler "When Google Talk has 2 step login you can't login to Telepathy KDE" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] | 21:13 |
| Riddell | how was the beta? | 22:18 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: went off smoothly | 23:17 |
| Riddell | yay | 23:26 |
| * ahoneybun is running 14.04 beta 1 on his macbook pretty good so far | 23:37 | |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: I'm uploading 4.12.3 btw | 23:45 |
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