[00:01] <valorie> same section: "Retaining largely the same user interface, it features great improvements in robustness."
[00:03] <valorie> maybe: While mostly retaining the familiar user interface, improvements make Muon now more robust.
[00:08] <valorie> "The new Plasma Network Manager features a redisgned user interface, giving you more control while retaining its simplistic design."
[00:08] <valorie> redesigned
[02:15] <ScottK> valorie: It's a wiki.  Just fix it.
[02:20] <valorie> oh, oops
[02:20] <valorie> sheesh
[02:20] <valorie> will do
[02:26] <valorie> done
[03:08] <manchicken> apachelogger: I'm going to plug away at the issues I have been having with saving before I start touching those bugs.
[03:20] <manchicken> Great... my dbus calls are failing... *sigh*
[03:21] <manchicken> Anybody good at troubleshooting dbus stuff?
[03:28] <manchicken> I think that this may be related to this error I'm seeing: WARNING: Installation prefix does not match PolicyKit install prefixes. You probably will need to move files installed in POLICY_FILES_INSTALL_DIR and by dbus_add_activation_system_service to the /usr prefix
[03:33] <manchicken> Sigh... this is much of what I had before.
[03:35] <valorie> manchicken: did you run the kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental command to update the kde config?
[03:44] <manchicken> valorie: The issue is that I'm trying to run this in parallel... which could be causing all of the bugs I'm seeing.
[03:44] <manchicken> I don't have a chroot set up.
[03:45] <valorie> ah, that is far above my experience
[03:45] <valorie> really the only thing I've built is amarok
[03:45] <valorie> and sometimes phonon and the backends
[03:45] <valorie> the only other thing I can think of is doing the exports
[03:45] <valorie> like in amarok, you do: 
[03:45] <valorie> echo 'export KDEDIR=$HOME/kde' >> $HOME/.kde/env/myenv.sh
[03:45] <valorie> echo 'export KDEDIRS=$KDEDIR' >> $HOME/.kde/env/myenv.sh
[03:45] <valorie> echo 'export XDG_DATA_DIRS=$HOME/kde/share:$XDG_DATA_DIRS' >> $HOME/.kde/env/myenv.sh
[03:46] <valorie> or rather, *for* amarok
[03:49] <manchicken> I think almost all of this is polkit stuff.
[03:52] <manchicken> Is chroot what all the cool kids are using in the packaging arena these days?
[03:52] <valorie> I've heard them talk about it
[03:52] <valorie> but if you want to know about packaging you are asking the wrooooong person
[03:52] <valorie> lol
[03:54] <manchicken> heh
[03:55] <valorie> I read the instructions Riddell gives to the new packagers, but after a bit I can no longer understand
[03:56] <manchicken> Happy day: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[03:57] <valorie> :-)
[05:06] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, do you know anything about a deadline on the docs trello board about the screenshots?
[05:06] <ahoneybun> hey valorie 
[05:07] <valorie> hi
[05:07] <valorie> just the person I want to talk to
[05:08] <valorie> are our docs totally done except for translations?
[05:08] <valorie> including up to date slides and screenshots?
[05:09] <ahoneybun> valorie, if your talking about the installlation part then yes
[05:09] <ahoneybun> I believe the other screenshots are good I'll look though them again
[05:10] <valorie> i'll go write an email about it to the translators then
[05:11] <ahoneybun> other then the installation page we only really have 1 screenshot and that is the one covering steam
[05:12] <valorie> cool
[05:12] <valorie> ok
[05:12] <ahoneybun> valorie, you know the command to upgrade to a testing version?
[05:12] <ahoneybun> beta 1 looks awesome
[05:12] <valorie> do-release-upgrade -d I think
[05:13] <ahoneybun> that does sound right
[05:13] <valorie> yes, man says so
[05:13]  * ahoneybun has Kubuntu 13.10 on his macbook and wants to try out the goodies of the new beta
[05:15] <ahoneybun> valorie, did you put that deadline on the screenshot?
[05:15] <ahoneybun> on trello
[05:16] <valorie> no
[05:16] <ahoneybun> odd
[05:16] <valorie> I've barely had time to breathe it seems like
[05:17] <valorie> but at least I caught up on the kub-devel email
[05:17] <ahoneybun> with the house?
[05:17] <valorie> house and everything else
[05:17] <valorie> it's fine
[05:18] <ahoneybun> life pretty much
[05:18] <valorie> yeah
[05:18]  * ahoneybun needs to start brainstorming for the next docs release
[05:19] <valorie> I've been going through all the old wiki pages while watching the daily show etc, and have marked a few as docs
[05:20] <valorie> IMO we should look at all the old doc stuff, and either move it to community (like how to build docs from launchpad)
[05:20] <valorie> or delete, unless it is a complete set correctly marked by release
[05:20] <ahoneybun> so what are we going to move to kde community?
[05:21] <valorie> no point in getting rid of historical docs
[05:21] <valorie> helps for new docs people, or links we need access to ourselves
[05:22] <valorie> dunno if any pages are good enough to *move*
[05:22] <ahoneybun> so we are moving tips/hints, guides, some important info pages?
[05:22] <valorie> but some might be useful to copy parts of
[05:23] <valorie> right, not stuff for users, but stuff for the doc team itself
[05:23] <valorie> I've seen some old stuff from darkwing
[05:23] <valorie> but I have no clue if his procedures still work
[05:23] <valorie> etc.
[05:23] <ahoneybun> I see
[05:24] <valorie> right now, just marking pages as rubbish, look again, useful, or docs
[05:24] <ahoneybun> if the pages are mostly for us then why does not techbase work better?
[05:24] <valorie> apachelogger marked a bunch of them already
[05:25] <valorie> that's a good question -- if you look at techbase, it is all about how to build and develop KDE software though
[05:25] <ahoneybun> the doc team seems to be a bit quiet
[05:25] <valorie> I don't see our stuff fitting there, unless maybe "how to package" information maybe
[05:26] <ahoneybun> relating to how to build a docs package?
[05:26] <valorie> I think harald's idea was to use community so it wouldn't bother anybody
[05:26] <ahoneybun> yea
[05:26] <valorie> perhaps you and he should talk about that
[05:26]  * valorie is only marking pages
[05:26] <ahoneybun> I would think techbase would need lots of talking
[05:27] <ahoneybun> tbh I'm not fully understanding why we are copying content over
[05:27] <ahoneybun> because we see how moinmoin is horrible
[05:28] <valorie> moinmoin IS horrible
[05:28] <valorie> sometimes I have to wait a full minute for stuff to save
[05:28] <valorie> adding one category
[05:29] <ahoneybun> I guess I need to understand how we determine the category
[05:30] <valorie> like I said, most of the pages are just historical
[05:30] <valorie> I didn't even open them
[05:30] <ahoneybun> I see
[05:31] <ahoneybun> I g2g to sleep
[05:34] <valorie> sweet dreams, ahoneybun
[07:09] <soee> good morning
[07:09] <jussi> morning soee
[07:09] <jussi> did apachelogger get his screenshot eventually ?
[07:10] <valorie> I lost track
[07:10] <jussi> valorie: soee was going to make it...
[07:11] <soee> yes i asked him what should be on this screens yetserday after return from meeting and he said he has oen already
[07:13] <soee> ok can someone confirm that Forefox 28 beta landed in trusty updates or i have some extra repo ?
[07:15] <valorie> !info firefox trusty
[07:15] <soee> ok nice, finally :)
[08:20] <apachelogger> ronnoc_: I think you are googleplussing the wrong way if you search for a type of thing, rather than the thing
[08:21] <apachelogger> manchicken: having not read the entire backlog, I'd say you should set your CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr (or you could just always install through package, also a possibility I guess)
[08:21] <apachelogger> valorie: thanks for beta1 page fixes
[08:21] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: I don't know anything about any deadline, if you link me a card or something I might
[08:22] <apachelogger> valorie, ahoneybun: the documentation we might be moving to community.kde is not general purpose packaging, it's very specific high-automation workflow documentation specific to us
[08:23] <valorie> I've enjoyed my journey through the wiki
[08:23] <valorie> so much history there
[08:23] <valorie> not nearly as much crap as i expected
[08:24] <valorie> not all that much useful stuff either though
[08:24] <valorie> you've found almost all of it already
[08:35] <soee> someone please post some info ong+ about beta1 :)
[09:43] <Mamarok> dear apachelogger: why does Trusty use the gstreamer backend as default? Shouldn't it use the vlc one? at least according to your own recommendations vlc is the preferred backend.
[09:44] <Mamarok> kde bug 331586, I closed it with comments
[09:45] <apachelogger> Mamarok: distro decision
[09:46] <Mamarok> crap
[09:46] <Mamarok> in other words: we will be flooded with crash reports
[09:47] <Mamarok> Riddell: ^ that was not a good idea
[09:47] <valorie> any chance of a gst upgrade in time?
[09:48] <Mamarok> valorie: that is not the problem, the problem is the current backend
[09:48] <Mamarok> and AFAIK the implementaiton with gstreamer 1.x is not nearly finished
[09:48] <Mamarok> Phonon developer recommendation: do not use the current gstreamer backend anymore, use the vlc one
[09:48] <valorie> ah, wishful thinking on my part
[09:49] <Mamarok> apachelogger: is there really somebody working on the newer one or did that chap from Fedora already abandon the task?
[09:49] <apachelogger> he was thinking about pushign a alpha/beta the other day to get some testing on what is there
[09:50] <Mamarok> would be a good idea
[09:50] <apachelogger> also the phonon developer recommendation is: use the vlc backend if at all possible
[10:53] <soee> muon by default is not avaialble in 14.04 ?
[11:01] <apachelogger> lordievader: did you see bug 1262779 when testing the OEM install?
[11:01] <apachelogger> because I did not on amd64
[11:02] <ronnoc> apachelogger: maybe, but many people use hashtags on G+ :p
[11:02] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[11:02] <apachelogger> it's not like I can make people use hashtags
[11:03] <ronnoc> for instance, if I want to see what ppl are saying about kubuntu (besides kubuntu itself) I would #kubuntu!
[11:03] <ronnoc> point taken tho
[11:04] <lordievader> apachelogger: The oem-installer didn't crash on me.
[11:04] <apachelogger> might be fixed then
[11:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bug 1286090
[11:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:53] <apachelogger> debian bug 631777
[11:53] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: ahoy
[11:54]  * apachelogger wonders why im-config depends zenity|kdialog|dialog and in addition recommends dialog
[11:54] <apachelogger> much weird
[11:56] <BluesKaj> Hi apachelogger 
[11:56] <BluesKaj> beta1 today, or so says the email :)
[12:10] <apachelogger> having both libreoffice and calligra on the ISO is a really shitty thing -.-
[13:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://trello.com/c/loyRLGfI
[13:38] <apachelogger> nice
[13:38] <apachelogger> ./debian/patches/plasma_netbook_fix_autostart.diff:+        options.add("noautostart", ki18n("Explicit --desktop enables autostart handling which may be disabled with this option"));
[13:38] <apachelogger> the debian is adding the strings to the upstream software
[13:38] <apachelogger> msgid "Debian policy compatibility, not used"
[13:38] <apachelogger> some are even completely pointless
[13:38] <apachelogger> much magic
[13:39] <apachelogger> #: src/akregator_part.cpp:194
[13:39] <apachelogger> msgid "Kubuntu Wire"
[13:39] <apachelogger> and apparently we patch the akregator
[13:39] <apachelogger> also very fancy
[13:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, I hope you remember when I note that maybe kf5 branches should be in another project than kubuntu-packaging
[13:41] <apachelogger> they are now actively screwing with the kubuntu-patched-l10n automation
[13:41]  * apachelogger calls it a week and heads out for a drink
[13:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: drinks at 3 ? :O
[15:36] <d_ed> could someone here do me a favour. Can you do an "ls -l ~/.cache/upstart/dbus.log"
[15:36] <d_ed> and tell me if it's insanely huge
[15:36] <d_ed> anything greater than a few Mb
[15:41] <shadeslayer> moment
[15:42] <shadeslayer> d_ed: 13M here
[15:42] <shadeslayer> though I have 7 other files gzip'd on disk
[15:43] <shadeslayer> wow
[15:43] <shadeslayer> d_ed: entire folder is 3.6 G
[15:58] <sgclark> hello, can someone please review and push bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/plasma-framework Riddell is out until Monday
[16:16] <shadeslayer> sgclark: push to where?
[16:17] <manchicken1> apachelogger: I think that some of the issues I'm having are the dbus adaptor from my development version conflicting with the live one.
[16:17] <manchicken1> That may even be the source of some of the weird behavior I'm seeing.
[16:17]  * shadeslayer is so angry at kconf_update right now
[16:17] <manchicken1> I'm thinking I need to move this into a chroot before continuing.
[16:17] <manchicken1> Which sucks.
[16:18] <shadeslayer> the stupid thing is reading the wrong group from the kickoffrc of kubuntu-settings-desktop
[16:22] <sgclark> shadeslayer: experimental ppa? not entirely sure, Riddell has been helping me
[16:50] <shadeslayer> sgclark: is it blocking?
[16:59] <sgclark> shadeslayer: blocking? it is the final to finish up this round of kf5
[17:03] <shadeslayer> hm ok
[17:03] <shadeslayer> sgclark: will have a look
[17:03] <shadeslayer> in another hour
[17:04] <sgclark> shadeslayer: ty
[17:05] <shadeslayer> no
[17:05] <shadeslayer> np
[18:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger: so the upd script is busted
[18:11] <shadeslayer> for kickoffrc
[18:11] <shadeslayer> and I don't know how to fix it
[18:11] <shadeslayer> according to the documentation it should work
[18:11] <shadeslayer> code looks wonky though
[18:18] <shadeslayer> sgclark: patch doesn't apply?
[18:22] <shadeslayer> sgclark: http://paste.kde.org/pebbnzgko
[18:35] <shadeslayer> sgclark: poke poke
[19:11] <sgclark> shadeslayer: sorry was away
[19:57] <shadeslayer> so kwallet was renamed to kwalletmanager
[19:57] <shadeslayer> thoughts on preserving history?
[20:21] <shadeslayer> sgclark: fixed?
[20:21] <sgclark> shadeslayer: fixed what?
[20:22] <shadeslayer> sgclark: see http://paste.kde.org/pebbnzgko
[20:24] <sgclark> shadeslayer why is it downloading kprintutils?
[20:25] <shadeslayer> sgclark: because someone forgot to update the watch file :)
[20:25] <sgclark> oh i see
[20:27] <sgclark> shadeslayer ok fixed
[20:30] <shadeslayer> sgclark: thx, uploaded
[20:32] <shadeslayer> [PPA kubuntu-ppa-experimental] [ubuntu/trusty] plasma-framework 4.96.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa1 (Accepted)
[20:33] <sgclark> ty
[20:54] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer, where would I file a bug on Telepathy KDE?
[20:55] <Mamarok> ahoneybun: try this: https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=telepathy&format=guided
[21:01] <ahoneybun> Mamarok, thanks
[21:02] <Mamarok> you are welcome
[21:13] <ahoneybun> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331632
[22:18] <Riddell> how was the beta?
[23:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: went off smoothly
[23:26] <Riddell> yay
[23:37]  * ahoneybun is running 14.04 beta 1 on his macbook pretty good so far
[23:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'm uploading 4.12.3 btw