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| maxb | Just upgraded to Trusty, Shift+Ctrl+T, the keyboard shortcut for new tab in gnome-terminal and terminator doesn't seem to work | 01:18 |
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| maxb | Does anyone know if there's some element of the desktop environment which would be intercepting that? | 01:19 |
| Fudge | is it assigned in unity control center keyboard shortcuts | 01:23 |
| maxb | Unity control center? | 01:24 |
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| Beldar | maxb, If you click on the desktop, does it still not work. | 01:28 |
| Beldar | it's ctrl-alt-t | 01:29 |
| maxb | No, I don't want to launch a new terminal window, I want to create a new tab within an existing one | 01:29 |
| Beldar | ah, never used that command not familiar | 01:30 |
| Beldar | my mistake | 01:30 |
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| maxb | How odd, it works just fine in a new user account. Perhaps it's time to have a clearout of dotfiles in my homedir | 01:34 |
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| Nothing_Much | Why isn't the update manager showing up daily? | 01:39 |
| Nothing_Much | Hello? | 01:40 |
| Beldar | Nothing_Much, depends on how you have it set | 01:40 |
| Nothing_Much | Beldar: It's set up for daily! | 01:40 |
| Nothing_Much | I have updates and everything set to immediately too! | 01:40 |
| Beldar | Nothing_Much, I believe it only shows on security issues otherwise you have to run it. | 01:41 |
| Nothing_Much | what? | 01:41 |
| Nothing_Much | dude it's just not giving me any notifications for updates | 01:41 |
| Beldar | Nothing_Much, It has not exspect for security updates for awhile dude. | 01:42 |
| Nothing_Much | It's NOT just security updates | 01:42 |
| Nothing_Much | It's any upgrades dude | 01:43 |
| Beldar | Nothing_Much, It has not prompted for any more than security since I think about 10.04 | 01:43 |
| Nothing_Much | Dude | 01:43 |
| Nothing_Much | Not just security | 01:43 |
| Nothing_Much | It's ANY upgrade | 01:44 |
| Nothing_Much | Like say | 01:44 |
| Nothing_Much | Uh | 01:44 |
| Nothing_Much | A new version of Gimp | 01:44 |
| Nothing_Much | Hypothetically speaking, a new gimp upgrade came out | 01:44 |
| Beldar | welcome to ignore, you are far from any respectful communication | 01:44 |
| Nothing_Much | And my updates don't show up after a week- | 01:44 |
| Nothing_Much | I'm sorry for.. wait what? | 01:44 |
| Nothing_Much | Well pardon me for asking for help. :/ | 01:44 |
| Nothing_Much | Sheesh, so can anybody else explain to me why the software updater isn't showing up on a daily basis? | 01:45 |
| Nothing_Much | Can anybody explain to me why the software sources won't show up on a daily basis? In fact, it hasn't prompted me any updates for months. | 01:56 |
| Jordan_U | Nothing_Much: You should expect bugs in a development version of Ubuntu, and if you encounter a bug the first thing you should do is confirm that you're running the most up to date packages, as fixes are made every day. | 02:18 |
| Nothing_Much | That makes sense.. | 02:19 |
| Nothing_Much | Apologies | 02:19 |
| sgo11 | hi, I heard unity 8 is in trusty and is super fast. is that faster than lxde? any opinions? thanks. | 03:29 |
| sgo11 | by googling, It seems unity 7 will be in trusty be default. anyway, I think I will install lubuntu then. unity 7 is too slow. | 03:38 |
| Beldar | sgo11, From the web it looks to a doable setup, but it puts you into PPA's | 03:46 |
| sgo11 | Beldar, :) with trusty, I think I don't need to add PPA. but I have to compile and build unity8 from source. that is ugly. I don't want to do that. maybe I should continue to use lxde for now. :) thanks. | 03:52 |
| Beldar | no prob, best of luck. ;) | 04:00 |
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| sgo11 | Beldar, just saw the reply. thanks. ^_^ | 04:10 |
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| sgo11 | hi, my laptop has two graphic cards. one is built-in intel and another one is nvidia graphic card. "Additional Drivers" can not find any drivers for me. what should I do in this case? nvidia-prime? thanks. | 08:56 |
| sgo11 | hi, I installed daily iso build lubuntu. nothing really can be launched. Everything got segmentation fault. google-chrome, firefox, obconf etc... Do anyone have any ideas? thanks. | 09:23 |
| soee | sgo11: @first question | 09:27 |
| soee | if you install: nvidia-331 it will install alsi prime | 09:27 |
| soee | *also | 09:27 |
| soee | works fine for me @ my Dell | 09:28 |
| soee | also in 30 minutes Metro Last Light will finish downloading and ill test it :) | 09:29 |
| sgo11 | soee, thanks a lot. I will try that. it seems my second problem is more serious. before running "apt-get upgrade", all got segfault. but if I click "relaunch" button in popup. firefox and google-chrome can be launched successfully. The first launch is always segfault. After "apt-get upgrade", nothing can be launched. always segfault. | 09:29 |
| sgo11 | soee, @firstquestion, do I need to install linux-header manually? when I try "sudo apt-get install nvidia-331", the linux-header is not in the list. thanks. | 09:32 |
| sgo11 | sorry, I tried dpkg -l, the header is installed by default. | 09:33 |
| sgo11 | hopefully, the nvidia driver can fix the all programs segfault problem. | 09:34 |
| soee | sgo11: i dont have such problems with segfaults | 09:41 |
| soee | also im running kubuntu here | 09:41 |
| soee | firefox works super :) | 09:41 |
| soee | and there was finally update to 28 beta | 09:41 |
| sgo11 | I am using lubuntu. download and install the latest iso today. no idea what's going on. I am doing "apt-get dist-upgrade" now. it seems there is a new kernel 3.13.0-13 instead of -12. weird problems. | 09:50 |
| sgo11 | btw, installing nvidia driver does not solve segfault problems to firefox and google-chrome. | 09:51 |
| sgo11 | apport failed to report bugs and complaining my packages are obsolete. that's why I am doing dist-upgrade. | 09:52 |
| sgo11 | segfault errors just don't make any sense to me. the first time in ubuntu can not even run a browser. | 09:52 |
| Kamilion | i386 or amd64? | 09:53 |
| sgo11 | btw, after segfault, chrome gave a popup window and then click "relaunch" can launch chrome successfully. | 09:53 |
| sgo11 | Kamilion, amd64. | 09:53 |
| Kamilion | i'm running a distupgrade from a fresh amd64 lubuntu in vmware right now | 09:54 |
| Kamilion | i too am seeing firefox coredump | 09:55 |
| sgo11 | mine is fresh too and doing the same distupgrade. hopefully, problem can get fixed. | 09:55 |
| sgo11 | Kamilion, cool. I am not alone anymore. | 09:55 |
| Kamilion | amd 1100t, 16GB, vmware 10, amd 5670 card | 09:56 |
| sgo11 | mine is not vmware. I am using a laptop. nvidia driver and intel i3. | 09:57 |
| sgo11 | Kamilion, completed the dist-upgrade. same segfault to all browsers. | 10:01 |
| Kamilion | chromium runs for me | 10:01 |
| sgo11 | Kamilion, I am using chrome. let me try to install chromium. | 10:02 |
| Kamilion | youtube works | 10:02 |
| sgo11 | Kamilion, chromium-browser does work. are there any existing bugs for this segfault issue? | 10:10 |
| Kamilion | dunno, new here too. | 10:10 |
| sgo11 | are there ubuntu developers? firefox and google-chrome failed to run in latest trusty release. all got segfault. | 10:12 |
| sgo11 | sorry, I mean lubuntu trusty. | 10:12 |
| Kamilion | The lubuntu desktop background reminds me of a crt with poorly sheilded speakers | 10:13 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning folks | 11:44 |
| sgo11 | hi, in latest lubuntu build, firefox and google-chrome can not be run with segmentation fault. chromium-browser can be run. any ideas? thanks. | 14:07 |
| Wnt | sgo11: have you tried updating? | 14:10 |
| Wnt | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 14:10 |
| sgo11 | Wnt, I did that. the same error. | 14:13 |
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| sgo11 | there is no .gnome2 and .gnome2_private in lubuntu. is this normal? | 15:36 |
| sgo11 | anyway, i don't think that is the cause of segfault to many programs. | 15:37 |
| meomic | hey, im trying to upgrade to 14.04 from 13.10 (using sudo upgrade-manager -d) and i am getting this error 'could not calculate upgrade' - is there a way to overcome this? | 15:41 |
| meomic | tyring to upgrade using 14.04 daily build iso's would do any difference? | 15:45 |
| sgo11 | hm.. sudo google-chrome and sudo firefox, both works fine. permission problems? global env variable problems? | 15:48 |
| Wnt | meomic: I updated (or at least tried updating) my old ubuntu using the live cd. I chose the upgrade option after selecting install ubuntu from the live cd environment | 15:52 |
| Wnt | after the upgrade was complete I rebooted and my grub was broken, it gave an error "error: symbol 'grub_term_highlight_color' not found." | 15:54 |
| Wnt | so I fixed that by chrooting to my installatin from the live environment, updating all packages and re-installing grub in the chroot | 15:54 |
| meomic | oke, im gonna give it a shot | 15:55 |
| Wnt | after that I was able to boot to the upgraded ubuntu, but there was something wrong with my package dependecies, e.g. could not install libc6:i386 | 15:55 |
| Wnt | so to get a fully working system, I just wiped the old installation and restored the files I need from a backup I made before starting the upgrade process | 15:56 |
| sgo11 | can anyone help please? latest lubuntu trusty. both firefox and google-chrome will not run with segfault. but sudo them will run. any ideas? thanks. | 15:57 |
| Wnt | I really recommend doing a backup of your lis of currently installed packeges, home directory and etc directory | 15:57 |
| meomic | heh, yea im gonna do backups also, but still ive been on 13.10 beta and had no problem during upgrade from 13.04 now i wanna go to 14.04 because next thing with support for my notebook is fixed there | 15:57 |
| meomic | thats why i want to go pre-released ubuntu | 15:58 |
| Wnt | the upgrade path instead of full re-install would have been really nice if it would just have worked :) | 15:59 |
| abhirup | hi | 17:09 |
| abhirup | what are the best features of ubuntu 14.04? | 17:10 |
| abhirup | whats the best feature of 14.04? | 17:14 |
| OerHeks | No big changes, it will be a LTS https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes | 17:15 |
| abhirup | ok......can i add my facebook photos to any of my photo manager in ubuntu??m in new in ubuntu....and i want to learn everything...... | 17:16 |
| OerHeks | standard shotwell can upload to facebook and more | 17:17 |
| OerHeks | but there are other programs too, i don't know as i do not want facebook | 17:17 |
| abhirup | ok...can i install adobe dreamweaver on ubuntu? | 17:18 |
| OerHeks | No. | 17:18 |
| OerHeks | maybe in the feature, when wine can | 17:18 |
| abhirup | so any replacement ? | 17:18 |
| OerHeks | Not that i know off, flash has no future, with html5 | 17:20 |
| abhirup | ok.......if i want to develop apps for ubuntu.....so whats the best language to do it??python??? | 17:22 |
| abhirup | can i use html? | 17:22 |
| jtaylor | whatever you like | 17:26 |
| SuperLag | :/ | 17:26 |
| OerHeks | There is no single best, as far as i understand Linux in general | 17:27 |
| SuperLag | agreed | 17:27 |
| OerHeks | You have the freedom to choose and the tools are free. | 17:27 |
| abhirup | ok than you.......can u plz suggest me some cool things to customize my ubuntu 13.10 | 17:29 |
| OerHeks | err 13.10 is supported in the other channel | 17:29 |
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| antagomir | just installed ubuntu 14.04 on HP Folio Elitebook. According to screen texts the installation was successful. When I reboot, I get the text that tells I should install operating system (although I thought I just installed it already). Any tips what might go wrong? | 18:44 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Is this a BIOS based or UEFI based machine? | 18:44 |
| antagomir | BIOS i think | 18:45 |
| antagomir | yash069 suggested i may not have installed grub since i did not change boot order | 18:46 |
| antagomir | could that be the issue and how to change | 18:46 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: No, that doesn't make sense. | 18:47 |
| antagomir | ok | 18:47 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: It looks like that machine likely does use UEFI. | 18:48 |
| antagomir | the installation went very smoothly until the happy ending, but then at reboot I seem to have no OS | 18:48 |
| antagomir | ok, how I can check if it is BIOS or UEFI. | 18:49 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Please boot from the Ubuntu USB again, run boot info script, and pastebin the RESULTS.txt it produces. | 18:49 |
| antagomir | ok, thanks. I only have this single laptop which is now in Try ubuntu mode, so this has to wait until tomorrow so that i have access to another computer | 18:51 |
| antagomir | but i can now give a try, just not able to copypaste | 18:52 |
| antagomir | or pastebin | 18:52 |
| antagomir | Jordan_U: i did not find option for boot info script when booting from my USB-DVD device but I have this text briefly blinking on the screen when I boot: Could not open "EFI/BOOT/fallback.efi": 14 | 19:05 |
| antagomir | now reading followups on this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/402256/boot-with-ubuntu-livecd-gives-an-error-message-before-proceeding-to-a-grub-style | 19:08 |
| Jordan_U | !bootinfo | antagomir | 19:12 |
| ubottu | antagomir: Boot info script is a usefull script for diagnosing boot problems. Run the script following the directions here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1291280 and then look at RESULTS.txt (or !pastebin it for others to look at). | 19:12 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Sorry, I meant to send that factoid earlier. | 19:13 |
| antagomir | it seems i can choose to use EFI mode or not since i wont have any other OSs installed. Any tips which one I should go for: EFI or not | 19:13 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Try getting UEFI mode to work first. | 19:14 |
| antagomir | OK, any brief motivation why that option | 19:14 |
| antagomir | tnx for bootinfo, I will have a loook | 19:14 |
| antagomir | this bootinfo seems to require I run it from my Ubuntu hard drive installation. But I never get there so I cant really run it | 19:16 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: It will run fine from a LiveDVD/USB. | 19:16 |
| antagomir | ok | 19:20 |
| antagomir | Jordan_U ok pastebin here http://pastebin.com/KtSqwUZG | 19:24 |
| antagomir | now wondering if I should try Boot-Repair https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair | 19:27 |
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| Jordan_U | antagomir: Could you also please pastebin the output of "sudo efibootmgr"? | 19:36 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: It seems like your firmware may be configured to boot external media via UEFI and internal via BIOS for some reason. | 19:40 |
| antagomir | sure here we go http://pastebin.com/GpWEHnPm | 19:41 |
| antagomir | i just started to come to the same conclusion after reading this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Installing_Ubuntu_in_EFI_mode | 19:41 |
| antagomir | i can soon reboot and try to fix the bios settings (or are they called efi settings then) | 19:42 |
| antagomir | i probably need to reinstall ubuntu after that, or might it work if i just change booting to EFI as i already isntalled the system | 19:42 |
| antagomir | well i will reboot now and see how to change system settings | 19:46 |
| ggreer | I managed to set up UEFI and even secureboot. dual-booting with secureboot enabled didn't work though | 19:47 |
| ggreer | I could start ubuntu but not windows 8.1 | 19:47 |
| antagomir | ok | 19:48 |
| antagomir | Jordan_U im back | 20:01 |
| antagomir | this time from my installed 14.04 so there is progress | 20:01 |
| ggreer | :) | 20:01 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: What allowed you to boot it | 20:01 |
| antagomir | this time i got here from bios menu F9 (bios settings) by manually selecting the EFI | 20:01 |
| antagomir | but was not yet able to save settings in F10 (system settings) such that this would happen automatically | 20:02 |
| antagomir | there i seem to have EFI Hybrid on: i also tried EFI Native but that does not work either | 20:03 |
| antagomir | now just wondering where to make changes so that the startup knows to use this EFI file that I am able to select manually through F9 settings | 20:04 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Please pastebin the output of "sudo efibootmgr". | 20:05 |
| BluesKaj | antagomir, dual boot? | 20:05 |
| antagomir | Jordan_U: http://pastebin.com/4CBXJT5Y | 20:08 |
| antagomir | BluesKaj: no, i only have this one system | 20:08 |
| BluesKaj | antagomir, ok , the I suggest you run in legacy mode | 20:09 |
| BluesKaj | then | 20:09 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi-amd64 | 20:09 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Then please run "sudo efibootmgr" again and pastebin the output of both. | 20:10 |
| antagomir | the first one: http://pastebin.com/9CMsBxVr | 20:11 |
| antagomir | the efibootmgr http://pastebin.com/gWw2bgLd | 20:12 |
| antagomir | seems promising, you think it might work now | 20:12 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: I expect it will. | 20:13 |
| antagomir | Blueskaj hmm ok, but i already installed the system from EFI USB device | 20:13 |
| antagomir | so i try this out first | 20:13 |
| antagomir | ok i reboot now and try it out | 20:15 |
| antagomir | no, didnt solve the problem yet | 20:17 |
| antagomir | Blueskaj so you suggest using legacy mode and reinstalling with BIOS (instead of EFI) | 20:18 |
| antagomir | i still hope i could find a way to save this EFI setting the OS apparently seems to work smoothly | 20:18 |
| antagomir | once i get here | 20:18 |
| BluesKaj | antagomir, you should still be able to boot in legacy mode afaik, as long as you install grub from the media =, in lgacy mode of course | 20:20 |
| BluesKaj | correction: install grub with live media in legacy mode | 20:21 |
| BluesKaj | antagomir,^ | 20:21 |
| antagomir | hmm | 20:21 |
| antagomir | you mean i could avoid reinstalling all | 20:22 |
| BluesKaj | that's what i did on this new laptop, of course I wiped the drive first | 20:22 |
| Beldar | BluesKaj, Did you have to change the partition table, or clean out gpt remnants? | 20:22 |
| BluesKaj | Beldar, well wiping the drive will do that :) | 20:23 |
| Beldar | BluesKaj, Not the table. | 20:23 |
| Beldar | depends on how you wipe though | 20:23 |
| BluesKaj | then creating a new partition table | 20:23 |
| antagomir | my drive has been wiped during the installation of this new system | 20:23 |
| antagomir | should that be sufficient | 20:23 |
| Beldar | BluesKaj, Cool, I'm not sure the user is aware of tables is all. ;) | 20:24 |
| BluesKaj | yes antagomir, it should be | 20:24 |
| antagomir | how to install grub with live media in legacy mode | 20:24 |
| Beldar | antagomir, Just erasing the partitions does not change the partition table. | 20:24 |
| antagomir | do you mean ubuntu live DVD by this live media | 20:24 |
| antagomir | Beldar also partition table was recreated during installation | 20:25 |
| JonEdney | Anyone have any specific changes required to run 14.04 in Virtualbox? I've tried 3 times and it's freezing up with everything I try to do after the install & reboot | 20:25 |
| Beldar | antagomir, I don't think so you have to make a new one or wipe the mbr | 20:25 |
| Beldar | antagomir,gparted can make a new table. | 20:26 |
| BluesKaj | on live cd or usb , open a terminal in ubuntu and run sudo grub-install /dev/sdX , X being the partition on which ubuntu is installed, usually sda | 20:26 |
| antagomir | do i need to make a new table_ | 20:26 |
| Beldar | you want a msdos for legacy | 20:26 |
| antagomir | why would i | 20:27 |
| Beldar | gpt is a uefi msdos is a mbr | 20:27 |
| Beldar | sorry to interrupt. ;) | 20:27 |
| antagomir | Blueskaj: is it necessary to do that with live cd rather than from my current hard disk installation | 20:28 |
| BluesKaj | antagomir, you'll lose your install if you create a new table , but it's worth doing then you're rid of theat gpt etc | 20:28 |
| antagomir | hm | 20:28 |
| BluesKaj | antagomir, not sure you can try installing grub and see on the the present install | 20:29 |
| BluesKaj | see what happens | 20:29 |
| antagomir | but when i reinstall then, i should choose custom partitioning and keep the table that i create according to your suggestions | 20:29 |
| antagomir | i am a bit lost | 20:29 |
| Beldar | YOu have to chroot from a live cd to load the mbr | 20:30 |
| BluesKaj | antagomir, if you decide to do a reinstall then create a new table from gparted as was suggested | 20:30 |
| Beldar | I don't think that works with a gpt table, but I have not had to do it. | 20:30 |
| BluesKaj | too many cooks , that's all i have to offer anyway | 20:31 |
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| Beldar | antagomir, Is this a fresh install? | 20:34 |
| antagomir | hmm. i would not choose reinstall if there is another way | 20:34 |
| antagomir | Beldarà yes this is a fresh install | 20:34 |
| Beldar | antagomir, The other way is setting up the efi boot correctly. | 20:34 |
| antagomir | Ãhow | 20:35 |
| Beldar | I'm not up on that though | 20:35 |
| Beldar | never used uefi at this point | 20:35 |
| antagomir | i tried from F10 menu without success | 20:35 |
| antagomir | there are options EFI Native, EFI Hybrid and Legacy | 20:35 |
| BluesKaj | antagomir, did you choose the whole disk/partition option when installing? | 20:35 |
| antagomir | ys | 20:36 |
| antagomir | yes | 20:36 |
| Beldar | antagomir, You easiest probably is setting the legacy boot, boot the cd, open gparted and change the table to msdos and install to the whole disk, no manula needed. | 20:36 |
| Beldar | manual* | 20:36 |
| Beldar | anyway best of luck I will stay quiet | 20:37 |
| antagomir | ok tnx | 20:37 |
| antagomir | does it matter that my optical device (with USB) is set up with EFI, if I set the hard disk to legacy mode | 20:38 |
| BluesKaj | then you should be able to boot with EFI directly...right Beldar ? | 20:38 |
| antagomir | if i understand correctly, if i set the boot option to legacy mode then it does not use EFI? | 20:38 |
| Beldar | BluesKaj, Yeah if it is done right, I am just not up on doing it. | 20:39 |
| BluesKaj | Beldar, neither am I, since mucking about with UEFI wasn't working for me | 20:39 |
| BluesKaj | antagomir, correct | 20:40 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Please stop for a minute, as I'd personally like to know what's going on here. | 20:40 |
| antagomir | ok thats ok fine Jordan_U | 20:40 |
| Beldar | BluesKaj, I'm just waiting till I have a uefi setup to really get into understanding it. | 20:40 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Do you mind booting your installed Ubuntu system via UEFI again and pastebining the output of "sudo efibootmgr" again? | 20:40 |
| antagomir | i am here via UEFI now, the hard disk installation that i could access by choosing the EFI file via F9 menu | 20:41 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Ok. Please pastebin the output of "sudo efibootmgr". | 20:41 |
| antagomir | here http://pastebin.com/eshrhQpW | 20:42 |
| BluesKaj | Beldar, the UEFI tuts out there are conflicting, hence I just went with legacy , and the 6 windows partitions pi**ed me off , what waste and bloat | 20:42 |
| BluesKaj | I had searched for a laptop with no OS , but there weren't any worth buying, there was no saving on the prices | 20:43 |
| Beldar | BluesKaj, My W8.1 pro is a purchase err upgrade from W7 pro all student purchases, so I have it all on a older toshiba running msdos. I use word for grad papers is all. | 20:44 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Please try running "sudo efibootmgr --bootorder 0002,0000,0001". | 20:44 |
| BluesKaj | Beldar, right , one has to use what's necessary | 20:45 |
| antagomir | Jordan_U doneÃ: http://pastebin.com/YdHzm4dM | 20:46 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: And this time I'm about 90% confidant that it will actually work :) | 20:47 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Please try rebooting. | 20:47 |
| antagomir | ok i will | 20:48 |
| antagomir | no it didnt :) | 20:52 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Very odd. "sudo efibootmgr" again. | 20:54 |
| antagomir | ok: http://pastebin.com/ZPZhnS6R | 20:55 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: And "find /boot/efi/". | 20:55 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Your firmware likes resetting its boot order apparently. | 20:56 |
| antagomir | http://pastebin.com/BaXznLXT | 20:56 |
| antagomir | i am choosing the /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi to get here | 20:56 |
| antagomir | hmm ok | 20:57 |
| antagomir | there should be a way to get around that | 20:57 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: sudo mkdir /boot/efi/EFI/BOOT/ | 20:57 |
| antagomir | ok done | 20:58 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: echo "We copied /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi to here because this firmware seems to have a bad case of boot order amnesia and this way the firmware will hopefully at least boot it as if it were a removable drive with no EFI entry." | sudo tee /boot/efi/EFI/BOOT/Readme.txt | 21:00 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: sudo cp /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /boot/efi/EFI/BOOTX64.EFI | 21:01 |
| antagomir | ok | 21:01 |
| antagomir | u think it could work now? | 21:01 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: I don't know what to think, but I hope it will :) | 21:01 |
| antagomir | i will try | 21:02 |
| antagomir | no.. | 21:04 |
| === Smedles_ is now known as Smedles | ||
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Any change in what happened at boot at all? | 21:05 |
| Jef91 | Is there a minimal install disc somewhere for 14.04? | 21:16 |
| Jef91 | like just a terminal and bare utilities | 21:16 |
| OerHeks | Jef91, haven't seen it on the torrentlist nor cdimage website | 21:24 |
| Beldar | Jef91, closest is the daily core, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/ | 21:24 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: To make your current install also bootable via BIOS, first use Gparted to resize your EFI System Partition, making it just 1 MiB smaller, and then using that free MiB create an unformatted partition with the "flag" bios_grub. | 21:24 |
| OerHeks | I guess you would fallbak to server | 21:24 |
| antagomir | Jordan_U i think there were now more options in the F9 menu | 21:26 |
| antagomir | otherwise the same | 21:26 |
| OerHeks | is this a correct setup ? > sudo apt-get install --no-install-recomends ubuntu-desktop | 21:26 |
| === elky_ is now known as elky | ||
| antagomir | Jordan_U can i use gparted from within my current hard disk installation, or should I use the liveCD? | 21:27 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: OK. Well, let's make this think BIOS bootable then. Did you understand my GParted instructions? | 21:28 |
| Jordan_U | s/think/thing/ | 21:28 |
| antagomir | i think i did understand, just installing gparted | 21:28 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: You can use it within your current installation (though you'll have to unmount /boot/efi/). | 21:29 |
| antagomir | Jordan_U ok so I run sudo umount /boot/efi first? | 21:30 |
| jose | hey, guys! I'm wondering, Firefox is still going to be the default for trusty, right?/ | 21:31 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Yes, or right click and unmount it from within GParted. Either way works. | 21:32 |
| antagomir | Jordan_U so I resize my ext4 partition that has most disk space (and not the linux-swap partition)? | 21:33 |
| antagomir | ok | 21:33 |
| === Guest37308 is now known as gac | ||
| Jordan_U | antagomir: No, the EFI System Parititon, sda1. | 21:33 |
| antagomir | ah, the /boot/efi | 21:33 |
| antagomir | ? | 21:33 |
| === gac is now known as Guest42163 | ||
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Yes, /dev/sda1 is mounted at /boot/efi/ because it is the EFI System Partition. | 21:34 |
| antagomir | there i have 487MiB in total (5.62MiB used / 481.38 MiB unused) | 21:34 |
| antagomir | i will downsize to 486 MiB in total? | 21:34 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Yes. | 21:34 |
| antagomir | ok done | 21:35 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Did you create the new unformatted partition in the free space? | 21:36 |
| antagomir | trying | 21:38 |
| antagomir | does it matter what file system i choose for that partition | 21:38 |
| IdleOne | running kubuntu 14.04 all updates applied. On reboot I received a ERROR: malformed file... Press any key to continue. I did and kubuntu booted up seemingly fine. I am wondering which file this error was referring to? | 21:38 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: There should be an option like "unformatted". | 21:39 |
| antagomir | hmm, where I can set the flag? | 21:39 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: It doesn't really matter, but actually choosing "unformatted" is conceptually more clear. | 21:40 |
| pwuertz | Hi, I'm trying to upgrade one of my systems to 14.04. Update Manager quits after a gpg signature error: | 21:40 |
| pwuertz | gpg: BAD signature from "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>" | 21:40 |
| antagomir | yes i found unformatted, tnx | 21:40 |
| pwuertz | Is this a known problem at the moment? | 21:40 |
| antagomir | or is flag same as label? | 21:40 |
| IdleOne | !gpgerr | pwuertz | 21:40 |
| ubottu | pwuertz: Getting GPG errors after adding custom repositories? Find the GPG keyword for the repository (it's 437D05B5 for the standard ones) and run « sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com <key> » | 21:40 |
| IdleOne | pwuertz: run: sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 437D05B5 | 21:41 |
| Beldar | pwuertz, This your only linux/ubuntu install? | 21:41 |
| IdleOne | then try the upgrade again. | 21:41 |
| pwuertz | IdleOne: Yes, I already ran that command | 21:41 |
| pwuertz | gpg: key 437D05B5: "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>" not changed | 21:41 |
| pwuertz | The upgrade process keeps failing | 21:42 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Flag is not the same as label, I'm woking from my phone so I can't look at a GParted GUI right now. If you can't find it I can give you a terminal command to do it. | 21:42 |
| antagomir | i cant find it | 21:42 |
| antagomir | i have looking through all tabs and clicks | 21:42 |
| pwuertz | Beldar: No, I upgraded 2 other systems to 14.04 a few days ago | 21:42 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Try right clicking. Is there a "manager flags" option in the right click menu? | 21:43 |
| Beldar | pwuertz, Cool, my concern was upgrading to a development is all. | 21:43 |
| Jordan_U | s/manager/manage/ | 21:43 |
| antagomir | yes but its unactive | 21:43 |
| antagomir | inactive | 21:43 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Could you please post a screenshot? | 21:43 |
| Jordan_U | !screenshot | antagomir | 21:44 |
| ubottu | antagomir: Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imagebin.org/?page=add and post a link to it. | 21:44 |
| pwuertz | IdleOne: ok, sorry, something did change now.. I have no idea why because googling for that problem already gave me that solution and it didn't work :) | 21:44 |
| pwuertz | maybe it was another key | 21:44 |
| pwuertz | Beldar: I had a few packages blocking each during one upgrade process, the other one went fine | 21:45 |
| antagomir | Jordan_U: screenshot http://postimg.org/image/r0i4hkran/ | 21:47 |
| IdleOne | pwuertz: so it is updating now? | 21:48 |
| antagomir | another screenshot with the menu http://postimg.org/image/8yvmzfzth/ | 21:49 |
| pwuertz | IdleOne: Indeed.. but it couldn't have been that command. I checked my terminal and I already tried that exact line 3 times before and update-manager kept crashing. | 21:50 |
| pwuertz | IdleOne: Nevertheless, its working just now.. strange | 21:50 |
| IdleOne | sometimes it is best not to ask why something suddenly works :) | 21:51 |
| IdleOne | just be happy it does | 21:51 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Try applying your current changes, and then see if the option is available. If not, then we'll just do it via the terminal. | 21:52 |
| === wilee-nilee is now known as Beldar | ||
| antagomir | Jordan_U ok that did it | 21:55 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: OK, to confirm that everything looks good, please pastebin the output of "sudo parted -l". | 21:56 |
| antagomir | here the screenshot http://postimg.org/image/5b80oltux/ | 21:56 |
| antagomir | pastebin | 21:57 |
| antagomir | http://pastebin.com/VnrEDzum | 21:57 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Great. Now run "sudo apt-get install grub-pc". When prompted, select "sda" (*not* sda1 or any other partition) as the device to install grub's boot sector to. | 21:58 |
| pwuertz | IdleOne: Right ;) | 21:59 |
| antagomir | Jordan_U does not look promising http://postimg.org/image/bry1ayexh/ | 22:00 |
| antagomir | this is after I chose /dev/sda in the first screen | 22:01 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Please pastebin the output of "sudo grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sda". | 22:02 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: (From another terminal) | 22:03 |
| antagomir | Installing for i386-pc platform. | 22:04 |
| antagomir | Installation finished. No error reported. | 22:04 |
| antagomir | that is all output | 22:06 |
| antagomir | Jordan_U ill be right back | 22:11 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: I have a guess as to what the problem is, and if I'm right it's a bug with a simple fix. Your computer should now boot, but please pastebin the output of "sudo grub-install /dev/sda". I expect that it will try to install for efi, and fail since the ESP isn't mounted. | 22:13 |
| === elijah is now known as elijah|away | ||
| antagomir | Jordan_U output is | 22:19 |
| antagomir | Installing for x86_64-efi platform. | 22:19 |
| antagomir | grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory. | 22:19 |
| antagomir | so only these two lines | 22:19 |
| antagomir | so shall i try reboot? | 22:22 |
| antagomir | does not look promising yet | 22:23 |
| antagomir | Jordan_U at least to system did not boot correctly yet, I tried | 22:32 |
| === gac__ is now known as gac | ||
| Jordan_U | antagomir: What was the error message? | 22:34 |
| antagomir | hmm, I did not write down. there are many screens at different stages | 22:35 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Was it different than the last time? | 22:35 |
| antagomir | no | 22:35 |
| antagomir | i did not notice differences | 22:36 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Try configuring your machine to boot via BIOS only. | 22:36 |
| antagomir | ok | 22:36 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: If that still doesn't work, I have 1 more trick up my sleeve and then I think I've exhausted them all :) | 22:37 |
| antagomir | Jordan_U i tried to set Boot option to "Legacy" from F10 menu but then i was not able to get here at all | 22:43 |
| antagomir | now i returned to the Boot option = EFI Hybrid | 22:43 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: What error message did you recieve then? | 22:43 |
| antagomir | hmm, nothing that i would have particularly noted as remarkable. i can redo and take photos | 22:44 |
| antagomir | there is always more text | 22:44 |
| antagomir | but basically the F9 menu did not give EFI as an option any more | 22:45 |
| antagomir | and i get here only by using that | 22:45 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: There are two possible idiocies in your boot firmware I can think of. First, it may incorrectly assume that a drive with GPT Label is not bootable via BIOS (only true for Windows installations). Second, it may assume that a drive without a "boot flag" on any of its primary partitions in its msdos label cannot be booted via BIOS (again, only true with Windows). | 22:46 |
| antagomir | hm | 22:47 |
| antagomir | i have no windows | 22:47 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: I know. Don't you wish that firmware Vendors didn't assume that's the only OS in existance? :) | 22:48 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: The first is more annoying to test, so let's test the second idiocy first. Please run "sudo fdisk /dev/sda", you'll get a warning that fdisk doesn't support GPT, that's OK because we really do want to modify the msdos label. | 22:48 |
| antagomir | ye :) | 22:48 |
| antagomir | what command i should give | 22:49 |
| antagomir | WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sda'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted. | 22:49 |
| antagomir | it is now asking for a commad | 22:50 |
| antagomir | command | 22:50 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: p | 22:50 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: And pastebin the output. | 22:50 |
| antagomir | http://pastebin.com/wM59rYS6 | 22:51 |
| Daekdroom | My system when idling now shows the LightDM login screen instead of the usual lock screen. Does anyone know how to revert that to the default? | 22:53 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: "a" then "1" then "p" again. | 22:53 |
| antagomir | http://paste.debian.net/84675/ | 22:55 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Great. Now "w". | 22:57 |
| antagomir | http://paste.debian.net/84676/ | 22:57 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: You can ignore that warning, it doesn't matter for us. Try rebooting in BIOS only mode again. | 22:58 |
| antagomir | so is BIOS only mode the same as Boot option: Legacy ? | 22:59 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Sounds like it, yes. | 22:59 |
| antagomir | ok | 22:59 |
| antagomir | hmm now i did not change anything, just reboot | 23:01 |
| antagomir | but this booted correctly this tie | 23:01 |
| antagomir | time | 23:01 |
| antagomir | shall i still try to Legacy option? | 23:01 |
| antagomir | seems to work now | 23:01 |
| antagomir | and now i am in EFI Hybrid mode | 23:02 |
| antagomir | (regarding the boot option i mean) | 23:02 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Ok, let's confirm that you're booted via UEFI currently. If you are, then this firmware bug is all the more silly. | 23:03 |
| antagomir | so what shall i do | 23:03 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: ls /sys/firmware/efi/ | 23:04 |
| antagomir | ls: cannot access /sys/firmware/efi/: No such file or directory | 23:05 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: OK, so you're booted via BIOS. | 23:05 |
| antagomir | ok | 23:05 |
| antagomir | is this a problem now for me as it seems to boot ok | 23:06 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: That means that your boot firmware suffered from idiocy number two. You should be good to go now, and you can still boot via UEFI manually whenever you want. | 23:06 |
| antagomir | right | 23:06 |
| antagomir | so there are no remarkable differences which route i use? | 23:07 |
| antagomir | for system operation | 23:07 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: There may be driver related issues, but if 3D is working properly and your disks seem to be getting full speed then you shouldn't notice any differences. | 23:07 |
| flan_suse | Where can I download beta 1 of Ubuntu 14.04? I see the news about it, but no working links for the .iso. | 23:07 |
| antagomir | ok, i will see later on if the system is slower than im used to | 23:08 |
| antagomir | so this is it? | 23:08 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Yup. Please file a bug report though, about changes to the boot order made via efibootmgr not sticking. | 23:09 |
| antagomir | ok, where best make it, ubuntuforums? | 23:09 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: ubuntu-bug grub-efi-amd64" | 23:10 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: Preferably run when booted via UEFI. | 23:10 |
| k1l | flan_suse: see http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/trusty/beta-1/ | 23:12 |
| antagomir | ok i will make this bug report | 23:13 |
| antagomir | hmm, in practice I will run booted via BIOS because this is what automatically works. Otherwise I have to go to BIOS menu F9 and manually select the EFI | 23:14 |
| antagomir | if there is no way to automate that and both routes seem to work i doubt i will ever go via the EFI route | 23:14 |
| antagomir | is this really a potential problem? | 23:15 |
| antagomir | i mean now it still sounds like this might be a problem | 23:20 |
| antagomir | would be good to know before i really start setting up the system | 23:21 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: It's most likely not a problem. If you run into any driver problems, try reproducing them when booted via UEFI. | 23:21 |
| antagomir | right, yes | 23:21 |
| antagomir | thanks | 23:21 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: You're welcome. | 23:21 |
| antagomir | you are a wizard :-) | 23:21 |
| antagomir | tnx for your time and patience | 23:22 |
| antagomir | i do appreciate | 23:22 |
| Jordan_U | antagomir: You're welcome. Thanks for presenting me with an interesting problem to solve :) | 23:23 |
| * Beldar gives a smattering of applause for Jordan_U | 23:23 | |
| antagomir | \o/ | 23:24 |
| Fudge | anyone having ubuntu one sign on problems in ubiquity | 23:27 |
| Fudge | no? | 23:50 |
| rohan | does anyone know if nvidia-prime package on ubuntu 14.04 switches off the nvidia GPU when not in use? | 23:58 |
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