[00:41] <balloons> hey nik90 if you are still about :-)
[00:47] <tuxd3v> hi guys
[00:48] <tuxd3v> I want to develop an app for ubuntu...i have already the sdk installed...the problem is...i have no emulator :(
[00:49] <tuxd3v> How can i use a emulator to test it??
[00:50] <tuxd3v> i ahve an android fone, but it only have 512 ram, and a single core cpu @104Ghz
[00:50] <sarnold> tuxd3v: seen this yet? http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/sdk/tutorials/using-the-ubuntu-emulator/
[00:54] <tuxd3v> sarnold...
[00:54] <tuxd3v> I have ben there, but i got an error in log
[00:54] <tuxd3v> Detecting device.. * there is no device connected.
[00:54] <tuxd3v> :S
[00:55] <sarnold> tuxd3v: are there any errors before that in the logs?
[00:56] <tuxd3v> When i click on devices apears to me a message
[00:57] <tuxd3v> install emulator package
[00:57] <tuxd3v> The emulator package is not installed ...do you want to install it?
[00:58] <tuxd3v> if i click the button that says "ok"
[00:59] <tuxd3v> appears some magic in the log section
[00:59] <tuxd3v> Checking installed emulator package. The package is not installed. Detecting device.. * daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 * * daemon started successfully * * there is no device connected. Install the emulator package on the system.. Reading package lists... Building dependency tree... Reading state information...  The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:   kde-l10n-engb Use 'apt-get 
[01:00] <tuxd3v> ......in the end I got this:
[01:00] <tuxd3v> Detecting device.. * daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 * * daemon started successfully * * there is no device connected.
[01:00] <tuxd3v> Detecting device.. * daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 * * daemon started successfully * * there is no device connected.
[01:00] <tuxd3v> god...how can i past multi lines??
[01:00] <sarnold> tuxd3v: best is to just use a pastebin
[01:01] <tuxd3v> * daemon started successfully * * there is no device connected.
[01:01] <sarnold> tuxd3v: everyone uses different length lines on irc, and since the ircd rate limits how quickly ou can send data anyway, a bunch of junk wil always interrupt you
[01:01] <sarnold> tuxd3v: check out the pastebinit tool, that makes using pastebins very easy :)
[01:01] <tuxd3v> thanks sarnold ;) and sorru for the noise ;)
[01:03] <tuxd3v> So here he goes...my log file afther the "instalation of emulator":
[01:03] <tuxd3v> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7008020/
[01:04] <sarnold> oh yes that's easier :)
[01:05] <tuxd3v> yeah...sorry for the previous noise :)
[01:08] <sarnold> tuxd3v: was this installed from the ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa  ppa?
[01:08] <sarnold> tuxd3v: was this installed from the ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa  ppa?
[01:09] <tuxd3v> ho, afther that i returned to devices->emulators...I created a name for one and clicked create new....and apperas a progress bar...but it neves ends :S
[01:09] <tuxd3v> yes it was sarnold
[01:09] <tuxd3v> yes
[01:10] <tuxd3v> i followed the rules there
[01:10] <sarnold> tuxd3v: ah, that might be progress. check netstat or ss or ifconfig output to see if it's downloading a huge pile of data?
[01:11] <tuxd3v> ho...ok
[01:11] <tuxd3v> i have followed this http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/sdk/tutorials/installing-the-sdk/
[01:12] <elopio> ok, I'm refreshed and ready to go again.
[01:12] <elopio> balloons, nik90: I'll split my branch in two to make it easier to land.
[01:12] <sarnold> I've not personally tried the emulator myself but I could imagine step one is "download an armhf-based ubuntu image"
[01:12] <balloons> hey elopio..
[01:12] <elopio> balloons: on your trace, I see two problems. One is that you have too many alarms, because we are not deleting them
[01:12] <aquarius> mhall119, jono's video about putting out a new app had the click-verification stuff right there inside the SDK. I don't seem to have that. Am I just missing an update, or does that only happen for people running trusty?
[01:12] <elopio> balloons: that problem will not be on jenkins.
[01:12] <balloons> elopio, yes, there are quite a few :) I can remove them for a run if we wish
[01:12] <elopio> the other is that it fails to select a tab. I think timp is fixing that on the toolkit. I saw a branch related to that.
[01:13] <balloons> the failure to select a tab is a known random thing
[01:13] <balloons> i didn't have time to review earlier, just left the runs for you.. had to go for a run.. just getting back into it
[01:16] <elopio> balloons: yes, removing all your alarms should make it better. The change on the toolkit to handle long lists is not yet landed.
[01:17] <elopio> probably that's why you can't select the alarm # 8, it is not created in the qml list yet.
[01:17] <elopio> I'm splitting the branch in two.
[01:19] <balloons> elopio, k. let me know when you are ready, I've deleted the alarms. Apparently nik90's changes show off a bug, so I guess they won't be landed
[01:23] <mhall119> aquarius: we should all have the same version of the SDK
[01:23] <aquarius> mhall119, hence my question :)
[01:24] <mhall119> aquarius: I'm apt-get upgrading now to see if I get it on Saucy
[01:24] <tuxd3v> sarnold...hey in log section I can see it is downloading a file...
[01:24] <aquarius> it is entirely possible that I've just failed to see the magic button that does it
[01:24] <tuxd3v> he sayd 7 minutes to finhish
[01:24] <tuxd3v> , but strange...since now every thing is ok, because I started ubuntu sdk like root
[01:25] <mhall119> aquarius: it should be on the left side of QtCreator
[01:25] <aquarius> mhall119, under "Publish"?
[01:25] <tuxd3v> maybe I will need permissions first to download and install emulators os something and afther that i can run ubuntu-sdk like normal user...I don  know
[01:26] <mhall119> aquarius: yeah
[01:26] <mhall119> aquarius: I'll check myself as soon as apt is done
[01:27] <elopio> balloons: here: https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-clock-app/check_alarm_creation/+merge/208693
[01:27] <elopio> this should be merged even if the tests don't pass, as it makes the errors cleaner and adds the missing wait.
[01:28] <sarnold> tuxd3v: you sholdn't have to run the sdk as root; if you do, please file a bug :)
[01:28] <aquarius> mhall119, http://pasteboard.co/10vV2gZi.png is what my Publish screen looks like. Am I missing whatever it is that runs the verifier?
[01:28] <mhall119> aquarius: still apt-getting
[01:28] <aquarius> also, respect to pasteboard.co which lets me upload an image from the clipboard :)
[01:28] <tuxd3v> sarnold...like root it is now sayng "seting up" ;)
[01:29] <tuxd3v> but ok I will try later without been root ;)
[01:29] <balloons> elopio, ahh I see.. Yea, I can happily approve that
[01:32] <elopio> balloons: now this one could be up to discussion, as we are changing the current assertions:
[01:32] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-clock-app/improve_alarm_tests/+merge/208714
[01:32] <elopio> I would be happy to leave it for next week when things should be better, if you prefer.
[01:32] <mhall119> aquarius: yeah, I have the same as you too
[01:32] <mhall119> aquarius: I'm not sure what he's running, maybe a pre-release PPA
[01:33] <mhall119> or maybe something made it into trusty but not the PPA yet
[01:34] <aquarius> mhall119, ah, OK. You might want to wag the waggy finger of disapproval about a video which shows how easy stuff is when it's not that easy for people who aren't running unstable prerelease weirdo code ;)
[01:35] <aquarius> anyway, I'm going to bed, since it's half one.
[01:37] <tuxd3v> sarnold: hell yeahhh....afther running like sudo  ...i got several permission denies, but i run a chowner and seems to be ok now ;) thanks man for the help ;)
[01:37] <sarnold> haha
[01:37] <sarnold> tuxd3v: nice :) have fun!
[01:37] <elopio> balloons: now, about nik90's branch, reorganise-clock-tests, I also see it as an improvement from what we have now. If we are missing something on it, the traces will be more complete and clear.
[01:37] <elopio> balloons: can we land that one too?
[01:37] <mhall119> aquarius: is that "whinging"?
[01:38] <balloons> elopio, at this point, the question is do we think we have something reasonable and stable enough to land that would pass tests and can go to the store?
[01:38] <elopio> balloons: well, we haven't been changing the code, nor the assertions. We have just been reorganizing the tests.
[01:38] <balloons> elopio, things that improve can always be landed :-) nik90 mentioned finding a bug, but we don't have to throw the whole thing out because of it. I believe the bug is somewhere else
[01:38] <aquarius> mhall119, no. that's a legit complaint :)
[01:39] <elopio> balloons: I don't fully understood where is the bug, but I think it will be exposed only if we check for the days label of the alarms. I've moved that to my second branch.
[01:40] <balloons> sadly he's not about.. perhaps we should land all these improvements and see what we're left with
[01:41] <elopio> balloons: +1 to that. I am confident we will not be worse ;)
[01:41] <balloons> elopio, the diff on this is weird; https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-clock-app/improve_alarm_tests/+merge/208714 why does it show you removing prints?
[01:42] <mhall119> oh, so whinging isn't legit?
[01:42] <mhall119> I'm still trying to learn your strange, foreign language
[01:42] <balloons> elopio, whoa.. I get it now.. why did my experiment go to trunk? what the heck
[01:42] <elopio> balloons: because we should neeeever have prints. If you want to show something, it should be through the log.
[01:42] <elopio> but what I did here is that the failure in case something is wrong will show all the details of all the alarms, not just the count.
[01:42] <balloons> I deleted that branch..
[01:42] <balloons> what!?
[01:43] <elopio> balloons: yes, that's what I was saying to you. You commited to trunk.
[01:43] <balloons> ok, I suddenly get our conversation lol
[01:43] <mhall119> aquarius: he's going to bug me about publishing it to developer.u.c tomorrow, so I'll complain to him about it then
[01:43] <balloons> I had an MP you looked at, went around a bit with it and deleted it.
[01:43] <aquarius> mhall119, good work :)
[01:43] <balloons> why on earth did it get pushed? and how?
[01:43] <aquarius> right, ttfn
[01:43]  * balloons rattles head
[01:43] <mhall119> aquarius: on an unrelated note, look API docs! http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/html5/sdk-14.04/
[01:44] <balloons> elopio, well we certainly need to revert that nonsense
[01:45] <mhall119> balloons: uncommit, revert, push with --overwrite
[01:46] <elopio> balloons: you probably pushed to the wrong parent. Happens all the time if you are not extra careful. After messing big time with a couple of u1 branches, took advice from vila about always creating a new folder from trunk every time.
[01:46] <elopio> one time I did the push the wrong way, and deleted like 20 revisions :D
[01:46] <elopio> luckily, pindonga is patient.
[01:47] <balloons> elopio, ahh, makes sense. Yea, I did a final commit push at the end, that was probably it.. I was trying to revert and merge something, and it wanted me to commit..
[01:53] <elopio> balloons: ok, now the hard thing will be to get both branches merged. Mine has just failed on the test nik90 fixed :)
[01:54] <balloons> elopio, indeed :-)
[01:54] <balloons> so nik90 first I guess
[01:54] <elopio> I'll reapprove to see if we have better luck this time.
[01:55] <elopio> balloons: nik90's can fail on the alarm tests too. Only solution would be to merge both and land them as one.
[01:57] <balloons> let's see what happens :-) I approved his
[01:57] <balloons> this will be easier when it's all landed
[02:00]  * balloons crosses fingers
[02:00] <balloons> overall the tests are like night and day what they used to be
[02:00] <balloons> there's some really cool stuff in there :-)
[02:05] <elopio> balloons: something else urgent to do?
[02:06] <balloons> elopio, nope.. I'm weekend time as soon as this has reached some sort of resolution.. :-)
[02:07] <balloons> and you, well, there's time enough tomorrow for whatever you might wish to do now :-)
[02:07] <elopio> balloons: enjoy! I'm going crazy and will delete my home and restart from scratch. I'm sick of my machine being weird.
[02:07] <elopio> I'll be back later, if I can make it to the other side.
[02:07] <balloons> elopio, delete all of /home? or just the . folders?
[02:07] <elopio> everything!
[02:07] <balloons> elopio, es loco
[02:08] <balloons> me gusta :-)
[02:17] <tuxd3v> its normal that the emulator does note have dothing running in X server?
[02:27] <balloons> elopio, all 3 landed :-0
[02:27] <tuxd3v> lol
[02:29] <tuxd3v> guys...the emulator with developement tools will burn my home out of disk space xD
[02:49] <balloons> nik90, elopio test run after all the merges; http://paste.ubuntu.com/7008334/. 2 failures. Tests for alarm verification asserts failed
[02:58] <tuxd3v> its normal that the emulator runs without graphical environment??Mine is always black!!And the logs show some erros :(
[03:00] <tuxd3v> this is the log of my emulator running from cold start
[03:00] <tuxd3v> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7008387/
[03:01] <sarnold> tuxd3v: I do know it is slow.. how long have you been waiting?
[03:01] <Aidan___> Forever
[03:02] <tuxd3v> 30 minutes more or less :S
[03:02] <Aidan___> Hey guys, I wanted to make a app in html5 can i just use basic html script?
[03:03] <tuxd3v> see the final of my pastbin above...
[03:05] <tuxd3v> How can I try to login in console mode?
[03:06] <tuxd3v> which username and password?
[03:15] <tuxd3v> Well...know i get graphical environment ;)
[03:33] <elopio> balloons: this is weird: ('Single Test', 'Once on Sat', True) not in [(u'Single Test', u'Once on Fri', True), (u'Recurring Test', u'Every Mon,Wed,Fri', True)]
[03:33] <elopio> I'll look into it.
[04:09] <suhaib> hey guys, I don't get it. I thought python is Ubuntu's favourite language :-( I'm new to programming. But Can't we implement the convergence thing with python ? i.e: If I want to program in python. Is that still ok ?
[04:15] <sarnold> suhaib: I can't answer yes or no to your question, but I will note in passing that the last time I made a gui interface in python it was annoying and difficult. I suspect making interfaces in qml is probably easier than trying to use the ubuntu widgets from python
[04:15] <sarnold> oh. sigh. sadness.
[07:12] <tuxd3v> Seems that the ubuntu version rised to 211 ;)
[07:12] <tuxd3v> there are some bugs with it...
[07:13] <tuxd3v> i am installing developers tools in qtcreator devices->device actions...
[07:13] <tuxd3v> but i already failed a lot of times :(
[07:14] <tuxd3v> seems that we need 17 packages for developers tools...
[07:14] <tuxd3v> lets see
[07:15] <tuxd3v> any bosy out there??
[07:15] <tuxd3v> body
[07:15] <tuxd3v> budy
[07:17] <tuxd3v> hum...
[07:17] <tuxd3v> seems to freeze in package 12....
[07:18] <tuxd3v> maybe the problem is the ram memory of the image...to slow??512
[07:24] <tuxd3v> installing x11... :)
[07:24] <zsombi> nik90: ping
[07:25] <tuxd3v> zsombi:its ofline
[07:26] <zsombi> tuxd3v: ah ok... I saw his nick and thought he is in... nevermind
[07:37] <tuxd3v> no problem ;)
[07:41] <Carakas> I have a question. When is an app considered a port ? Does it have to be exact like that or also when it does something like that app ?
[07:49] <dholbach> good morning
[07:49] <Saman> good morning
[07:57] <tuxd3v> good morning
[07:57] <tuxd3v> a port means, based on the other, but to another arch
[07:57] <tuxd3v> its the same app!!
[07:58] <tuxd3v> but its ported to another architecture...
[07:58] <Carakas> okey, thank you :)
[07:59] <tuxd3v> its diferente from fork. because for means based in someting...but we don't caracterize the architecure...it seems implicit that the arch is the same...
[07:59] <tuxd3v> in a port is diferent, because you are catching the same code and compiling it, and altering it it a minimal way to rum in another arch... i.e ARM
[08:00] <Carakas> I gues it won't be a port than :)
[08:01] <Carakas> I Found an open API for public transport in our country, the different companies have their own apps on android but I was thinking about making an app that handles all the companies
[08:07] <tuxd3v> so you need to port that API to ubuntu, and then make your aplication?
[08:07] <tuxd3v> Well..its not even a port ;)
[08:07] <tuxd3v> its only a port from operating system name only xD
[08:08] <tuxd3v> because android is linux
[08:08] <tuxd3v> and ubuntu too
[08:08] <tuxd3v> your API is writem for android write??
[08:09] <tuxd3v> but it will depend in what language it is writen...is it is writem form example in C language, then you can use it like that ;)
[08:10] <tuxd3v> but if it is writen is Java, then you need java on ubuntu, or ... translate it to c or c++, or what else you like, that runs on ubuntu..python for example...
[08:12] <Carakas> Well it can be accessed by a url (and if I want it can serve json) so I tought I could use that api, and just build an app that uses the data from that api that is already online
[08:12] <tuxd3v> yes you write ;)
[08:17] <tuxd3v> I mean yes you can...sorry my english...in not my mother thong
[08:17] <nik90> Good morning all
[08:17] <nik90> zsombi: pong
[08:19] <Carakas> its okey :) Thank for the answers :)
[08:19] <jo-erlend> whenever I join a channel and the first message I receive includes "in not my mother thong", I get very curious about people are talking about :)
[08:19] <tuxd3v> good morning
[08:20] <tuxd3v> afther a lot of hours...my sdk is running but very slow :S
[08:20] <tuxd3v> I don  know how to speed it...
[08:21] <nik90> tuxd3v: Is it the SDK or the emulator that is running slow?
[08:21] <tuxd3v> The sdk if fine since it is based on the marvelous qtcreator...
[08:22] <tuxd3v> de problem is the emulator...
[08:22] <tuxd3v> some time is detected offline
[08:22] <tuxd3v> and in the instalation process of the emulator is an error
[08:23] <tuxd3v> we need root permissions to install emulator tools...and it create the forlders in ./local/share/ubuntu... like root
[08:23] <zsombi> nik90: hi, I have two issues to conform with you
[08:23] <tuxd3v> so no one be able do write inside that forlder...without a chown
[08:24] <zsombi> nik90: one: I found a bug in Alarms fetching order: the alarm date fetched is always the original one.
[08:24] <zsombi> nik90: I have a fix for it, just need to test it properly, which brings me to the second issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtorganizer5-eds/+bug/1286019
[08:24] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1286019 in qtorganizer5-eds (Ubuntu) "test application segfaults with qtorganizer5-eds and UI toolkit trunks" [Critical,Confirmed]
[08:25] <tuxd3v> So the problem is...when we try to create a emulator device...it canot create it because he does not have permissions(the forlders have beem crated with root user :S)
[08:25] <nik90> zsombi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1285828
[08:25] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1285828 in Ubuntu Clock App "Clock segfaults on exit on desktop" [High,Confirmed]
[08:25] <tuxd3v> In that process we can drop root permissions, or make a chown -R user: ubuntu-emulator
[08:26] <nik90> zsombi: we noticed this yesterday .. so I supposed this is not localised to clock
[08:26] <zsombi> nik90: I asked renato yesterday to take a look on it, don't know whether he had time for it or not, but this is pretty bad. I'd like you to confirm this also.
[08:26] <nik90> tuxd3v: yeah I had permission issue
[08:26] <tuxd3v> in /home/user/.local/share/ubuntu-emulator
[08:26] <nik90> tuxd3v: so I chowned it and then fixed the permission issue
[08:26] <zsombi> nik90: I guess as this affects SDK also, it is no longer high, it is critical
[08:26] <tuxd3v> yes
[08:26] <nik90> tuxd3v: now everything works
[08:27] <nik90> zsombi: which one do you want me to confirm?
[08:27] <nik90> zsombi: I guess I just confirmed the 2nd bug
[08:27] <tuxd3v> do you have already installed the development in device->Device actions?
[08:27] <zsombi> nik90: #1286019
[08:28] <zsombi> nik90: I have a stack trace for the UITK, so I thought you could also (eventually) repeat that, but if you have the clo=ck app then it's fine
[08:28] <zsombi> *clock
[08:29] <nik90> zsombi: I will merge the clock crash bug with your bug as a duplicate
[08:29] <zsombi> nik90: thx! this is super critical as blocks my UITK testing
[08:30] <nik90> zsombi: quick question...can this in anyway block the hud actions from appearing?
[08:30] <nik90> zsombi: apparently clock doesn't show HUD actions...even the QUIT action that is default in the HUD
[08:30] <zsombi> nik90: it shouldn't however you never know... I've noticed that after EDS backend is instantiated, I do not get any traces anymore!!!
[08:32] <nik90> tuxd3v: the emulator shows up on the detected devices
[08:33] <nik90> tuxd3v: for me the emulator works as expected
[08:33] <nik90> tuxd3v: however I have not run it for hours..so I can say if it slows down or not
[08:33] <tuxd3v> yes it shows up!
[08:34] <tuxd3v> but sometims he got ofline...for example if you try to redetect devices...in devices->devices action
[08:34] <tuxd3v> but it sometims...
[08:34] <nik90> tuxd3v: but why would you try to redetect devices if you already have the emulator?
[08:34] <tuxd3v> let me try
[08:35] <nik90> tuxd3v: also please report the bugs to https://launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu
[08:35] <tuxd3v> nik90:ok
[08:36] <nik90> dpm: good morning dpm, you are back
[08:36] <nik90> ;)
[08:36] <tuxd3v> nik90:i will do that
[08:36] <dpm> hi nik90 :)
[08:36] <randomcpp> hey nik90 :)
[08:36] <dpm> nik90, kind of back, I'm be working from Barcelona today
[08:36] <dpm> *I'll
[08:36] <nik90> randomcpp: hey
[08:36] <nik90> dpm: how is that we never saw you in the pictures, eh :P
[08:37] <dpm> nik90, I was busy doing demos of the clock app to people :)
[08:37] <randomcpp> I've almost finished this session exams :/ almost..
[08:37] <nik90> dpm: ;)
[08:37] <nik90> randomcpp: nice...I love that feeling when they are just about to end
[08:38] <dpm> nik90, but seriously folks loved the clock on full screen on the tablet, good job again on getting the convergent design in :)
[08:38] <nik90> dpm: thnx
[08:38] <randomcpp> nik90, are you a judge again for this app showdown?
[08:38] <nik90> randomcpp: yes ;)
[08:39] <randomcpp> I don't know if I will participate again..I don't have any nice idea this time..
[08:40] <nik90> randomcpp: check out jono bacon's top 5 favourite apps for ideas
[08:42] <randomcpp> about g+ client, does google provides API for g+?
[08:43] <nik90> randomcpp: it does...not sure if it provides a write API for g+ though..that's something you need to confirm
[08:43] <nik90> randomcpp: but yes a g+ app will be appreciated by the 4500 app developer community members ;)
[08:44] <randomcpp> hahah
 randomcpp: check out jono bacon's top 5 favourite apps for ideas
[08:48] <tuxd3v> yeaahhh
[08:56] <randomcpp> nik90, meanwhile I think there will be updates for saucybacon
[08:56] <nik90> randomcpp: you should check out Ubuntu.Layouts to implement convergence for your app. It is quite siimple to use.
[08:57] <nik90> randomcpp: some of the core apps have already started used it
[08:57] <nik90> randomcpp: so the rough edges have been cleared up for you guys
[08:58] <randomcpp> nik90, I'll have a look, last time I've used it there were such a pain
[08:58] <nik90> randomcpp: yes..but now we have proper documentation, tutorials to make it so much easier
[08:58] <randomcpp> does anybody here use vim with qml?
[08:59]  * randomcpp *checks calendar and wonders 'how many month have I been in the cave?'*
[08:59] <nik90> I think ogra does If I vaguely remember...you guys are so weird :D
[09:01] <tuxd3v> the emulator got updated from revision 210 to 211
[09:03] <randomcpp> nik90, do you have any hint on when qt will be updated to 5.2? IIRC 5.1 implements conditional layouts and they are pretty neat
[09:04] <nik90> randomcpp: I heard there is a big push for it...hopefully soon if it doesn't cause any regressions in the apps currently available
[09:04] <randomcpp> ok thank you
[09:05] <randomcpp> ouch qtcreator still spawns random blank unclosable windows
[09:39] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy Tooth Fairy Day! :-D
[09:48] <randomcpp> nik90, is anybody working on a mail client that you are aware of?
[09:49] <nik90> randomcpp: not that I am aware of
[09:49] <randomcpp> ok thanks
[09:52] <randomcpp> I saw you switched to cmake, great choice :)
[09:53] <nik90> randomcpp: actually I didnt do that switch :P nor am I too comfortable with it :D
[09:53] <nik90> randomcpp: it was done by the QA time since it helps easier testing of AP tests on device
[09:53] <nik90> s/time/team
[09:54] <randomcpp> nobody likes qmake :/
[10:34] <nik90|afk> zsombi: the lack of console output is really annoying :/
[10:34] <nik90|afk> zsombi: I hope the bug gets fixed today asap
[10:34] <zsombi> nik90|afk: even if it gets fixed, it'll take some days to land :/
[10:54] <randomcpp> I can't make the autopilot test sample work, it fails to load the c++ plugin
[11:26] <Carakas> is there a place where I can find a more detailed description of the html5 UI elements ?
[11:27] <Carakas> Im trying to make an optionselector but I can't get it to work
[11:34] <dholbach> alex_abreu, ^ can you help?
[11:35] <daker> Carakas: ?
[11:35] <Carakas> nm forgot the js file
[11:35] <Carakas> sorry ^^
[11:37] <daker> no problem :)
[11:57] <nik90> zsombi: I have a clock bug where a recurring alarm saved on tuesday, wednesday, thursday, sunday does not result in the sunday being properly retrieved from Alarms API. Basically something is going wrong on Sunday alone.
[11:57] <nik90> zsombi: do you happen to know why that may be?
[11:57] <daker> Carakas: does it work for you ?
[11:58] <nik90> zsombi: I am able to reproduce this bug even 200 commits before in the clock app which makes it weird since I or someone would have noticed it earlier..something tells me that it broke outside the clock app i.e in EDS or Alarms API
[11:58] <nik90> zsombi: I also created the same alarm using the sample alarm app we had
[12:04] <nik90> zsombi: I can confirm this bug using your own ui-toolkit-alarm example. I am going to toss the report to the ui-toolkit
[12:10] <Zabuldon> hi all
[12:11] <Zabuldon> please help me. i installed the ubuntu-sdk and try to create emulator device, but in log i see next error:Creating snapshots for disks... Error while converting /home/test/.local/share/ubuntu-emulator/test/system.img: Unknown option 'compat' qemu-img: Invalid options for file format 'qcow2'.
[12:45] <randomcpp> where can I find this python module? "from ubuntuuitoolkit import emulators"
[12:46] <t1mp> randomcpp: ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot
[12:46] <randomcpp> thanks a lot t1mp
[12:47] <t1mp> np :)
[12:53] <renato> zsombi, nik90, oSoMoN could you guys make sure that the bug #1284587  get fixed with this https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/qtorganizer5-eds/fix-1284587/+merge/208791
[12:53] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1284587 in Ubuntu Calendar App "crash when exiting the application" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284587
[12:53] <renato> oSoMoN, could you review that ^
[12:55] <oSoMoN> renato, will do after lunch
[12:55] <nik90> renato: just waiting on a deb build
[12:57] <nik90> renato: is there a way I can build the source and export the variables or something?
[12:58] <nik90> renato: well there is a way..but can you show me how to do it
[12:58] <renato> nik90, what do you mean?
[12:58] <nik90> renato: as in can I try your branch out without having to wait for the deb? by building the source files
[12:59] <nik90> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/export_modules_dir.sh
[12:59] <renato> nik90, yes, I am not sure how to do that from qtcreator, I am using schroot for that
[12:59] <renato> and takes longer to configure the chroot than wait for jenkins :D
[13:00] <nik90> lol
[13:00] <nik90> I will wait then :P
[13:05] <nik90> bzoltan1: I upgraded to 14.04 after which I am unable to start the ubuntu-emulator in qtcreator. It is crashing. http://paste.ubuntu.com/7010214/
[13:50] <wellsb> dholbach, I received your feedback for click-app 49.  Let me know when you're available and we'll discuss it
[14:04] <dholbach> wellsb, sure
[14:05] <dholbach> wellsb, how can I help?
[14:05] <wellsb> dholbach, I just added a new comment to the feedback for that app
[14:07] <dholbach> wellsb, I'll talk to the security team about this.
[14:07] <wellsb> dholbach, That sounds good.  If you need anything further from me, let me know
[14:39] <kalikiana> mhall119: please review https://code.launchpad.net/~kalikiana/u1db-qt/qmlDocs/+merge/208818
[15:13] <nik90> dholbach: you got a few minutes to talk about the app dev school?
[15:29] <mhall119> kalikiana: they look good
[15:29] <mhall119> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.04/U1db/
[15:31] <kalikiana> mhall119: sweet!
[15:42] <dholbach> hi nik90
[15:43] <dholbach> nik90, sure
[15:44] <dholbach> nik90, just read your mail - how can I help?
[15:44] <nik90> dholbach: was I right about the duration of the presentations?
[15:45] <dholbach> nik90, dpm is a good person to ask - dpm: the two presentations for the app dev school - what do you reckon how long it takes to give the talks? 4h?
[15:45] <nik90> dholbach: also I feel that since the main purpose of the release party is to celebrate the release of 14.04, I dont think a 4 hr session is possible
[15:45] <dpm> dholbach, yes, 4 h is a good estimation.
[15:45] <nik90> dpm: is it okay to split the presentations to diffferent days?
[15:46] <nik90> due to the reason I mentioned above ^^
[15:46] <dpm> nik90, you can organize it the way you want, the presentations are there just to help bootstrap the workshop. They're not there to tell you exactly what to do. So please feel free to modify it how you see fit
[15:47] <nik90> dpm: oh okay..yeah that was my next question as to modifying the slide content
[15:47] <Corasaaa> Hi all, i'm Francesco Corazza and i'm tryng to write a web app for ubuntu desktop and mobile. The app is Webogram (online version of telegram)
[15:47] <dpm> nik90, I'm running a workshop tomorrow and it'll be a dedicated event, so it'll be 2h in the morning, then lunch, then 2 hours more
[15:47] <Corasaaa> I need help, i'm in trouble
[15:47] <dpm> nik90, sure, feel free to modify the slides.
[15:47] <nik90> dpm: oh nice...good luck!
[15:48] <nik90> dpm: btw you once posted a video of the your talk on g+..do you happen to still have that link?
[15:48] <dpm> thanks :)
[15:48] <nik90> dpm: watching your talk might give me a better idea of the event
[15:49] <dpm> nik90, that was at a conference where I ran a workshop and a presentation. Unfortunately, there is no video of the workshop, which would be the most interesting thing for an app dev school, but I can dig out the link to the presentation, which was recorded
[15:50] <nik90> dpm: ok
[15:50] <dpm> nik90, http://oredev.org/2013/wed-fri-conference/ubuntu-a-potent-new-force-in-mobile
[15:50] <nik90> thnx
[16:36] <tuxd3v> does any one know hou to rum a ssh session on the emulator?
[16:37] <Laney> umm
[16:37] <Laney> how do I take qt creator out of full screen? :(
[16:39] <seb128> Laney, ctrl-maj-f11?
[16:39] <Laney> what is maj?
[16:39] <seb128> shift
[16:40] <Laney> nice, that works
[16:40] <seb128> cool
[16:40] <Laney> full screen is obnoxious
[16:40] <Laney> you can't get to the menus
[16:40] <Laney> it even blocks hud
[16:40] <seb128> shrug
[16:41] <seb128> that's an issue for sure :/
[16:53] <nik90> tuxd3v: why do you need ssh?
[16:54] <nik90> tuxd3v: you can "adb shell" into the device and run commands directly on the device
[16:55] <ogra> you could do adb shell "start ssh" :)
[17:04] <nik90> popey: can you help me confirm a bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1285958
[17:04] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1285958 in Ubuntu Clock App "Reccuring Alarm can't be set for sunday" [High,Confirmed]
[17:05] <nik90> popey: just on your desktop would be fine
[17:05] <popey> sure thing
[17:07] <popey> nik90: what do you need me to do?
[17:07] <nik90> popey: create a recurring bug which triggers on mon, tue, fri, sun and then save it
[17:07] <popey> i set an alarm for sun,wed,fri and it saves as wed,fri
[17:07] <nik90> s/bug/alarm
[17:08] <nik90> popey: see if the saved alarm shows sun
[17:08] <popey> it doesnt
[17:08] <popey> wed,fri only
[17:08] <nik90> okay so you have the bug as well
[17:08] <popey> (as an aside, I would expect to see sunday at the top, but I suspect that's a cultural thing)
[17:08] <daker> hi guys question why the camera is not 100% full screen ? we can see black borders in it
[17:09] <nik90> really weird since elopio and jenkins on their 14.04 install doesn't have that issue and I am unable to find out where exactly the issue is
[17:09] <popey> daker: known bug
[17:09] <daker> popey: ok :)
[17:09] <popey> i tried on phone, lemme try on desktop nik90
[17:10] <nik90> popey: oh I meant desktop since I have that issue on phone as well
[17:10] <popey> works on desktop
[17:12] <popey> nik90: surprised you have sunday as 7 there, I thought it was 0
[17:13] <nik90> popey: where do you see sunday as 7?
[17:13] <popey> in the code
[17:13] <popey> in alarm/AddAlarmPage.qml
[17:14] <nik90> popey: yeah I changed that to sunday 0 in my latest branch to test stuff out. But Sun is still not displayed on my desktop or phone.
[17:15] <popey> was just a guess ☻
[17:17] <nik90> popoey: hmm so you don't see the bug on your desktop as well
[17:17] <nik90> popey ^^
[17:17] <nik90> I am starting to think something is wrong in my comp
[17:17] <popey> yeah, i dont see it
[17:18] <popey> nik90: you up to date with the qt organizer stuff?
[17:18] <nik90> lol in the date indicator on the desktop, it shows the alarm on sunday!
[17:20] <daker> popey: do you have a bug # ?
[17:20] <popey> daker: couldn't find one
[17:21] <daker> bug #1179503
[17:21] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1179503 in Ubuntu UX "[Camera] Black margin on right hand side of camera app" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1179503
[18:18] <daker> popey: can you help this guy https://plus.google.com/u/0/+FrancescoCorazza/posts/cJ42pHaQ9Je
[18:19] <daker> i don't have a phablet-flashed phone
[18:21]  * popey replies
[18:24] <carakas_> sorry if I just asked this, IRC crashed. Is it allowed to use a dialog for a search field with a list of sugestions ?
[18:25] <wellsb> The new mir with mirscreencast for 4.4.2 still hasn't landed?
[18:25]  * wellsb dislikes not being able to take screenshots
[18:25] <popey> ditto
[18:27] <ogra> oyu can temporary switch to SF
[18:28] <carakas_> something like this http://i.imgur.com/YlJtfjE.png
[18:29] <nik90|afk> carakas_: you are better of using a sheet or a pagestack
[18:30] <nik90|afk> carakas_: check out the weather app "add city" sheet
[18:30] <carakas_> oki thx :)
[18:34] <nik90> elopio, popey: Can either of you check the following package versions and let me know  -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7011850/
[18:35] <nik90> I am trying to dissect the version at which this bug is reproducible
[18:35] <nik90> the phone has this bug but you two dont have it
[18:35] <nik90> while I have it
[18:42] <nik90> popey: The packages on the phone are the same version as the versions I mentioned in the pasteubuntu
[18:45] <short_sam> Hey guys question... How do I access a google account from account manager? I'm so confused as to how to access that.. Do I still need to use my client id or anything like that?
[18:46] <short_sam> I looked at the online api for the sdk and I'm still lost
[19:10] <carakas> is there a way to hide the footer with back button on the main page of a page stack ?
[19:11] <nik90> carakas: yes
[19:12] <nik90> carakas: the footer is actually a toolbar. It has two properties 1. visible 2. locked
[19:12] <nik90> carakas: check the sdk docs for more info on these
[19:13] <carakas> nik90: ok thx
[19:14] <nik90> np
[19:24] <elopio> nik90: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7012106/
[19:24] <elopio> I don't have eds.
[19:24] <elopio> I need to go, bbs.
[19:24] <nik90> elopio: ok
[19:26] <nik90> elopio: ping me when you are back
[22:11] <ahayzen> balloons, ping
[22:12] <mhall119> aquarius: ping
[22:12] <aquarius> mhall119, pong
[22:12] <mhall119> aquarius: so the video you asked me about yesterday, turns out it was actually recorded by popey
[22:13] <aquarius> indeed it was
[22:13] <aquarius> and jono did the voiceover
[22:13] <mhall119> who is running Trusty and has the qtcreator ubuntu plugins from those archives
[22:13] <aquarius> actually I suspect half of it was recorded by nik90, surely?
[22:13] <mhall119> so it seems Trusy has a newer version than in the PPA (at least for Saucy)
[22:13] <mhall119> and both bzoltan and Mirv are off enjoying their weekend already, so we will have to wait until Monday to get anything done about that
[22:14] <nik90> aquarius: nope...popey did all the recording
[22:14] <aquarius> mhall119, the reason I asked the question is that I thought that, running saucy with the PPA, I got all the new stuff. Is that now by policy not the case (that is: I have to upgrade to trusty now?) or just that the PPA lega a little?
[22:14] <nik90> aquarius: he created my name
[22:14] <aquarius> *lags
[22:14] <aquarius> nik90, ah ok cool :)
[22:14] <nik90> mhall119: I dont have it trusty..do you have it?
[22:14] <mhall119> aquarius: so we've had a series of meetings about that, and yes the SDK *should* provide the same development tools and environment for all supported releases of Ubuntu
[22:14] <mhall119> nik90: I'm still on Saucy
[22:15] <aquarius> mhall119, ah, cool -- that's why I was asking, in case that policy had changed :)
[22:15] <nik90> ok
[22:15] <aquarius> I'm cool if the PPA's *meant* to be up to date but is currently lagging behind -- these things happen, not a problem
[22:15] <nik90> mhall119, aquarius: The SDK updated have not landed in the PPA for the past 2 weeks due to the new landing change
[22:15] <nik90> I asked fginther to push the changes to the PPA
[22:15] <mhall119> aquarius: the policy hasn't, but the process has to change in order to continue with that policy, because backporting a lot of the runtime stuff is going from difficult to impossible
[22:15] <nik90> but I guess he must be busy
[22:15] <aquarius> I was worried that this meant a change in policy -- that I had to run a dev OS in order to build apps, which I don't wanna do ;)
[22:16] <aquarius> I personally think it's reasonable, once 14.04 is out, to require people to have 14.04 or later to develop apps...
[22:16] <aquarius> because it's an LTS.
[22:16] <aquarius> But I don't get to decide these things :)
[22:17] <mhall119> aquarius: the goal is to use chroots and the emulator to let you target Ubuntu versions other than your host machine's version
[22:17] <aquarius> mhall119, that makes sense.
[22:17] <aquarius> I just don't want to have to run an unreleased Ubuntu in order to do things :)
[22:17] <fginther> nik90, I'm actually not able to push an updated sdk. I've asked for assistance on what the proper process should be
[22:18] <mhall119> but judging by what nik90 said, I think the blocker right now isn't related to that, but rather the landing freeze/feature freeze
[22:19] <nik90> fginther: ah okay..yeah I figured there must be a good reason why the PPA hasn't been updated.
[23:41] <carakas> Does your app have to be in englisch for the app showdown ?
[23:41] <carakas> *english
[23:47] <sarnold> carakas: I think all languages are welcome..