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ochosiGridCube: i'm about to switch off now, i presume it'll take a while longer till it's tested00:04
ochosijust ping me with the result and i'll read it tomorrow00:04
ochosialso, if it doesn't work, this would be the alternative fix: http://dpaste.com/1667584/00:04
GridCubeochosi, so i just need to get the ppa and update?00:05
ochosiGridCube: yup, update shimmer-themes, maybe restart after that to be sure, then check the greeter00:05
GridCube(if the problem presents in this test machine now ofcourse)00:05
ochosiyup00:05
ochosiwell i'd suppose it should, if it did on the other machine00:05
ochosii don't think it's *that* random00:06
ochosi(at least i hope)00:06
GridCubeok, ill test it once i get the iso00:06
ochosithanks!00:07
ochosinight everyone00:09
slickymasternighty ochosi 00:10
GridCubewhat is an "avahi service discovery"?01:11
GridCubeochosi, the error presented in the test box, then after adding the ppa and upgrading it fixed01:22
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GridCubegah :(01:28
GridCubethere is no way to use mugshot01:28
GridCubeshouldnt usc be in the favourites of the menu?01:29
GridCubewhat does this means? http://goput.it/dtop.png01:39
Unit193Do you ever use mycomputer.local?  If not, it means nothing.01:41
GridCubeno, its the very first time i see this01:41
GridCubebut it pop up ever time i log in in the vm01:41
bluesabreif somebody sees Noskcaj: https://launchpad.net/catfish-search/1.0/1.0.104:46
pleia2Noskcaj: not sure if you saw: 20:46:38 < bluesabre> if somebody sees Noskcaj: https://launchpad.net/catfish-search/1.0/1.0.105:46
Noskcajbluesabre sent me an email about it, thanks though05:46
pleia2ok good :)05:47
elfyochosi: what do you want me to do with greybird? git or ppa07:20
elfyochosi: lightdm greeter settings appears to work :)07:36
elfyochosi: ok - so I assumed you wanted me to grab greybird from git and use that - so did07:57
elfyI see the same thing with the password error - very faint message07:57
ochosihey elfy 08:00
brainwashelfy: did you replace the greybird folder in /usr/share/themes/ ?08:00
elfybrainwash: no - I moved the new one in there, renamed, and then used it 08:00
brainwashstrange08:02
brainwashgit version should look fine08:02
elfyyou can see it says something - it's just very faint 08:03
brainwashcan you check /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf please?08:04
elfyfor what08:04
brainwashand see if the new greybird theme folder is being used?08:04
ochosiwell the easiest thing would've been to add the shimmer daily PPA08:04
ochosiupgrade shimmer-themes, restart, check the greeter08:04
elfycouldn't find the ppa :)08:05
ochosilmgtfy08:05
ochosihttps://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/daily/08:05
elfybrainwash: it'll just say greybird - because the old greybird is called something else :p08:05
brainwashso you've renamed the old folder, ok :)08:06
elfyochosi: ok - not sure what was going on there - the ppa one is completely readable here :)08:10
ochosielfy: that just means you messed up something with using the git version, that's all08:10
elfyentirely probable that time of the morning :)08:10
ochosianyway, makes me happy cause it means there is nothing i have to do other than wait for the next upload of shimmer-themes08:10
elfyyep08:11
ochosiNoskcaj: while xubuntu-artwork still hasn't been updated/uploaded by anyone, i guess it's fine if i refresh the icons from github one more time, right?08:32
Noskcajyep. I'll re-make the tarball tomorrow08:32
ochosiok,thanks08:32
ochosii'll push it now08:33
ochosichangelog doesn't need a bump cause it already says "update icons" :)08:33
ochosiNoskcaj: ok, done (rev259)08:36
elfybluesabre: bug 128604609:32
ubottuError: Launchpad bug 1286046 could not be found09:32
elfywut09:32
elfybug 128604609:32
elfybug 128604609:32
knomebug 128604609:33
ubottubug 1286046 in parole (Ubuntu) "parole crashed with SIGSEGV in g_object_unref()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128604609:33
elfygrrr - well it's really there 09:33
knomeit doesn't reply to the same query twice09:33
knomeso you need to ask something else in between09:33
elfymust have been catching up - it got marked as private to start with 09:33
knomesomething like that09:33
elfyknome: ok thanks :)09:33
knomeoh, banks09:34
ochosiyeah, we have (very) long standing packaging issue with the plugins09:34
knomewhy can't you show me your price list.09:34
ochosiso i'm pretty sure that's the issue there, elfy 09:34
ochosi:/09:34
elfyochosi: aah, ok wasn't aware of that09:34
ochosiit's quite annoying, cause the mpris2 plugin is actually very nice (and new)09:34
elfyyea - I saw that on sean's blog just now09:35
ochosiwe need to find someone who can help us with that in fact09:37
ochosithe packaging is the same as in debian, we're quite puzzled by this...09:38
elfythat'll not be elfy then ... 09:39
ochosiawwwh09:43
elfyochosi: I know what I can do :p09:44
elfyknome: you might be able to answer this - in the docs - is whisker-menu just going to be called menu? 10:02
elfyI'll do the same for testcases10:02
knomeit's ok to call it just menu at least in the testcases10:03
elfythat'll do - though I might change things to 'open blah' or 'start blah' 10:04
knome:)10:04
elfythen we can do whatever in future ... 10:06
Unit193knome: Thoughts about that for docs?  "Applications Menu" is the actual plugin name for the "older style" menu.10:08
knomeUnit193, i know, which is why i'd lean towards "menu"10:09
slickymasterWorkNoskcaj will you please raise the status of Bug 1286046 to 'Triaged'10:28
ubottubug 1286046 in parole (Ubuntu) "parole crashed with SIGSEGV in g_object_unref()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128604610:28
elfyslickymasterWork: there is backlog about this bug :)10:28
knomedone.10:28
slickymasterWork:) good morning knome 10:29
slickymasterWorkyeah, I know elfy. It's like ochosi stated, is a long-standing issue in Paorle10:29
slickymasterWorks/Paorle/Parole10:29
elfyif I'd known I'd not have bothered wasting my time reporting it tbh10:30
Unit193elfy: But as stated, crashing part is new.10:32
knomegood day slickymasterWork 10:33
elfyUnit193: meh10:34
elfyI hate reporting bugs that are just going to sit there forever and a day gathering dust10:34
Unit193s/ that/./10:35
elfynot even sure how I managed to find it - I rarely use parole anyway :)10:35
Unit193Good tester. ;)10:36
elfyochosi: are we planning to not have the action plugin on the panel at all now?10:55
bluesabrehey knome10:59
bluesabrecan you link that parole bug to the upstream xfce bug? https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=990411:00
ubottubugzilla.xfce.org bug 9904 in General "Notification icon plugin not working" [Normal,Needinfo]11:00
bluesabrethere is some launchpad wizardry that allows some folks to do it11:00
elfyI'll do it11:00
elfybluesabre: it's already been done :)11:00
ali1234anyone can link bug reports11:00
bluesabreoh11:01
bluesabreI'm just not paying attention11:01
ali1234actually just pasting the URL in a comment is enough now11:01
bluesabreoh, that's handy11:01
bluesabreI've never made it work correctly when trying to link other bugs11:02
ali1234the proper way is click "also affects distribution"11:02
bluesabreah11:02
bluesabrethat's a misleading name11:02
ali1234yes11:02
knomebluesabre, boo! :)11:10
bluesabrehey knome!11:10
elfyknome: https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/menuchange/+merge/20876311:11
knomehallo11:11
knomeoh gosh ;)11:11
elfyif you get chance - if not I'll ping someone else 11:11
knomei'll finish off this work thing, can look after that11:11
elfyok - cheers :)11:11
bluesabreso, others that are familiar with python, suggestions? https://bugs.launchpad.net/catfish-search/+bug/128060712:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1280607 in Catfish "Case insensitive search for non english file names doesn't work" [Undecided,Confirmed]12:03
ochosiis that a general python problem?12:04
ochosior some utf8 crap?12:04
bluesabrenot sure12:04
bluesabreI haven't had a chance to debug it yet myself, but it seems... odd12:04
ochosiindeed12:04
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jjfrv8knome, I was hoping at the meeting yesterday we could take a vote on whether to add Settings Manager to Favorites in whisker-menu13:47
jjfrv8how do you feel about it?13:47
knomejjfrv8, in addition to it being in the bottom-right?13:48
GridCubei also would like that the USC be in the favs13:48
jjfrv8yeah, cause it seems kinda awkward to point them to an icon in the docs13:48
jjfrv8GridCube, USC is going to be there13:49
GridCuberight :)13:49
knomejjfrv8, i don't have a strong opinion on that, so best talk with ochosi13:50
knomei mean i'm fine with adding it13:50
ochosijjfrv8: it's a bit of a duplication, but if you think it makes sense, we can put it there13:50
jjfrv8knome, I was also considering adding the icons next to the text in the most recent MR I put up last night. I'll past it in a minute13:51
jjfrv8*paste13:51
knomejjfrv8, sure13:51
GridCubethere is also the logout thing that used to be on the top panel, will it be reinstated?13:52
ochosinope13:52
GridCube:) ok13:52
elfythat will need to be in release notes then13:52
knomeochosi, i guess we should discuss that after b113:53
ochosiknome: discuss what?13:53
knomethe panel layout in general, but more specifically, how people have seen whiskermenu and the action buttons13:53
knome(and possibly workspace switcher)13:54
jjfrv8knome, maybe put the icons next to the text in the last sentence here: http://imagebin.org/29632613:54
knomejjfrv8, absolutely13:54
jjfrv8k13:54
knomethough, hmm13:55
knomethat's a tricky one13:55
knomethat makes me think we should *maybe* do that for other places as well13:55
knomebut i can definitely agree it's a good idea to add them there13:55
jjfrv8not an issue if ppl switch to a different icon theme?13:57
knomewell that's their issue... :)13:58
knomethey can change the whiskermenu app icon as well13:58
knomeand then it isn't the xubuntu logo13:58
jjfrv8works for me, then13:59
jjfrv8I'd also like to add a paragraphs on panel customization and MenuLibre to the settings-preferences chapter. how's that sound?14:00
knomeat least the menulibre one is planned already14:01
knomeand panel customization doesn't sound bad either14:01
jjfrv8will work on that this weekend.14:01
knomethanks14:01
knomeslickymasterWork, ^14:01
jjfrv8bbl14:03
GridCubeochosi, did you catch my ping yesterday?14:17
knomezequence, you ready? :)14:22
zequenceknome: Yep14:25
knomeso, umh14:25
knomemicahg?14:25
knomeochosi?14:25
knomebluesabre?14:25
knomewhat's the exact scope of bug fixes you are committing for xfce?14:26
knomei mean, will you keep on landing "any" bug fixes, or just security?14:26
zequenceI will be commited to fixing bugs, with severity in mind (prioritizied by need and the time I have to spare - but always fixing critical ones) - by working with upstream. I implement patches - others do the actual fix14:29
knomeokay14:29
knomei'm considering the current situation with xfce development, and that doesn't really look active14:29
knomei mean,14:29
knomeyou might end up writing all the bug fixes yourself14:30
knomei'm also considering possible problems with gtk2 stuff getting outdated, and xfce depending on that14:30
knomewhile the gtk2 packages aren't the xfce core, it is *possible* that some issues come up with those, and i don't who else is giving support/developing those in 5 years14:31
zequenceI don't expect that much of the DE stuff will much change past the first three years14:31
zequenceI think the Ubuntu five year support plan is mostly focused on servers14:32
zequenceAm I wrong?14:32
knomesure, but if you promise 5 years support for ubuntu studio desktop, you're alone the last 2 years anyway14:32
zequenceThere are kernel updates, and those can change stuff. But other than that, I don't believe much will change - of course, something could14:32
knomei'm not saying xubuntu couldn't extend to 5 years14:32
knomei'm considering any regression bugs14:33
knomeor security holes that weren't found before14:33
knomeor anything that relates to any of that14:33
knomeapplications not supporting that old libs, etc.14:33
zequenceI don't think Xubuntu would find it difficult technically to have 5 years support, but the question is rather - is it something Xubuntu users want?14:34
zequenceI think Ubuntu Studio users might want that, all though only a small percentage14:34
knomefrom my point of view, it's a question whether the developers are committed to 5 years14:34
knomei mean, of course it matters if users want it or not14:34
knomebut even if users want it,14:34
knomeand we say we support for 5 years,14:34
knomeactually *doing* the bugfixes and stuff requires that developers are committed for that support length14:35
knomeif after 3 years there is a big bug in 14.04, and the xubuntu team is much stronger than now with many developers, i have nothing against landing a bugfix for that14:36
knomeeven if we only "promised" 3 years of support14:36
knome(saying, it's not a big issue to make it *LONGER* in the future)14:36
knomeall those reasons i just laid out were the reasons why we settled on 3y support for 12.04, and any of it hasn't changed since, for us at least14:38
zequenceWe're also considering a PPA for backports that otherwise would be next to impossible to get in otherwise14:38
zequenceWe have a different situation to DE based flavours14:39
knomeas i understand it, that wouldn't count as "support" as defined/"required" by canonical for the LTS support length14:39
knomebut it's fair considering the composition of your flavor14:39
knomeso maybe support LTS for 3y, but promise PPA updates for 2 more years14:40
zequenceWhat our users want is a platform that is stable, and works for years. Once you get to know it, you like to stay with it14:40
knome(as time permits)14:40
knomesure, i understand that14:40
zequenceI was intending to make this release of Ubuntu Studio DE agnostic, making it possible for users to select the DE during install. Haven't had the time to complete that ubiquity stuff yet14:41
knomeyeah, i remember that14:42
zequenceI'm doing things in the order of importance right now, and that is still a possiblity14:42
zequenceEven after FF14:42
knomein a way, it makes defining the support length even harder14:42
knomedo you plan to support *any* installable DE for 3/5 years?14:42
knomeor basically just the "studio" packages?14:42
zequenceI suppose in that perspective, it might seem a lot of work - only, it doesn't seem to be - if you look at the track record14:43
zequenceThere's a theoretical POW and then there's a practical one14:43
micahgknome: huh?   was I invited to something?14:44
knomeit's a big lottery.14:44
knomeyou don't want to end up winning the wrong kind of jackpot...14:44
knomemicahg, yeah, impromptu. see the backlog14:44
zequenceWe can end support at any time. If that is how it plays out14:45
knomemicahg, talking about US LTS support length vs xubuntu LTS support length14:45
knomezequence, well that's not what you are supposed to do...14:45
knome"we'll give support for 5 years" -- then don't14:45
micahgknome: Xubuntu commits to High and Critical bug fixes and security fixes for 3 years14:45
* holstein +1 ^14:45
knomemicahg, i know. i've announced that14:46
micahgand I'm happy to help with Xubuntu's part of that14:46
knomemicahg, studio is considering 5 years of support14:46
knomemicahg, and we're discussing if it's sane, and since they overlap with us quite a bit...14:46
holsteinpart of what was great about going xfce at the time was being able to take advantage of the xubuntu upstream team support14:46
micahgI know, I responded on their ML: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2014-February/005719.html14:47
zequenceOne never knows what will happen in three years.14:47
zequenceOr in five14:47
zequenceBut, one can assume14:47
holsteinwell, we can assume both teams wont fade away in 3 years14:47
knomezequence, well exactly... but promising 3 years is less of a gamble than 514:47
knomemicahg, right, not following that list, but cool :)14:48
holsteinwe can assume the ubuntustudio team wont get bigger than the xubuntu team in 3 and run out the last 2 14:48
micahgcan I pick up from backscroll in 3 hours or so, I'm working on a deadline for something14:48
holsteini think if the xubuntu team finds 5 years a stretch, we should consider that14:48
zequenceholstein: Have you actually looked at what sort of bugs have been fixed for XFCE for the last LTS?14:48
knomei think it would be weird that xubuntu, who kind of specialises in xfce, only promises 3 years,14:49
holsteinzequence: what is of note?14:49
holsteinzequence: what am i missing?14:49
knomewhen US, who have a lot more packages to support, would extend the support of xfce to 5 years14:49
zequenceholstein: NOt a lot of packages has seen bug fixing. Only one past the relase of Precise, as far as I can tell, and that was the weather plugin14:50
zequenceBut, I might be missing something14:50
zequenceSo, please enlighten me, if I'm wrong14:50
holsteinzequence: im not following14:51
micahgzequence: with libav now in universe, that's a security burden as well (though shared with Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Kylin)14:52
zequenceholstein: I'm saying, there's not much bug fixing happening even during the first three years14:53
zequenceFor Ubuntu Studio I fixed two, for Precise14:53
knomezequence, what micah said about debian xfce stuff is correct as well14:53
zequenceAnd I'm sure I could handle that sort of fixing, myself, when working with upstream14:54
knomethey only support xfce for 1-2 years14:54
holsteinzequence: sure.. then just say that on the site14:54
knomeso that would leave you 3-4 years alone14:54
micahgzequence: with multimedia, you have a lot more security exposure than Xubuntu does14:54
knomezequence, i'm not the one saying you shouldn't promise 5 years of support14:54
knomezequence, i'm saying you should consider it carefully; we didn't do that, because we don't think it's sustainable14:55
knomezequence, if you support the LTS for 5 years, you'll have, at one point, three LTS's to support at the same time.14:55
knomethat's a lot of maintaining work for xfce and multimedia packages14:55
knomeand potentially other dependencies14:56
knome(at least for the oldest LTS of that bunch)14:56
holsteinim not a code contributor like that.. i cant gurantee being able to fix a bug or address one14:56
holsteinits really not up to me to put that burden on anyone when i cant take any of it on perononally14:57
knomeand as i've said for a few times, i don't think you can suddenly drop the LTS support length to 3y after committing to 5y14:57
knomebut you can always promise after 3y to extend the support if it looks viable, if you want14:58
knomeunofficially you can support 14.04 for 10 years if you wish14:58
knomeand unofficially you can promise 20 but stop after 3.14:58
knomeyou shouldn't, but there's more room to move there14:58
zequenceMy judgement of the situation is that what worked for three years will continue to work for another two14:59
holsteinyeah.. theres nothing wrong, as i see it, saying its officially 3, and as resources allow, supporting it more14:59
knomezequence, sure, that's your decision14:59
knomezequence, i just wanted to bring my opinion to the table for consideration15:00
zequenceWe could let our users know how the support works, by telling them that the first three years Xubuntu team is actively supporting the DE, and the last two years the Ubuntu Studio team is doing it15:00
knomethat would be fair for the users15:01
holsteinalso, nothing wrong with saying that in 3 years15:02
holstein"since support is ending upstream, and the team is growing, we will do our best to extend another 2 years the support of..."15:03
knomei guess one more comment15:06
knomesince xubuntu is supporting xfce less than US, some questions might arise from that15:06
knomewe will answer those questions honestly; that we don't think it's doable for us to support xfce for more than 3 years15:07
knomewhether that in turn puts on more pressure on US, i don't know15:07
knomebut it's good to acknowledge that this isn't just a technical discussion15:07
knomeor just a technical decision15:08
zequenceIt's just a different view point. In reality, if bugs happen, they will - until someon fixes them15:08
zequenceSupport means a lot of things15:08
knomeabsolutely15:08
zequenceI'm only going to be commited to fixing bugs, especially severe ones15:08
knomeyes, ack15:09
zequenceIt might happen that some upgrade of a package would leave Xubuntu not booting at all15:09
knomei'm not trying to convince you, don't understand me wrong15:09
zequenceEven during the first three years15:09
knomei'm just wanting to discuss all the facts around it15:09
zequenceIt's what can happen. And it might. But, the chances are, it won't15:09
ochosiGridCube: if by your ping you mean the one where you said the shimmer PPA fixed it, yes :)15:10
GridCuberight thats what i meant15:10
GridCube:)15:10
zequenceJust because you say you will support something for a lot of years doesn't mean the system will not break during that time.15:11
zequenceBut, sure. I can see the point in how volotile it would be for one person to claim to support a bunch of DEs for a couple of years15:12
knomeand multimedia packages15:12
knomeand potentially other packages that the DEs support on15:13
knomezequence, have you had a vote about this with your team?15:13
zequenceknome: As an actual vote, no. Since our team is so small, and lacking of technical knowledge, I leave it to a argumentative discussion on our mail list15:14
zequenceIÃ'd rather we did have a larger team, where one could make use of such systems15:14
zequenceI'll consider proposing to reduce to three years, but if we do five years, will inform our users of how that works15:22
knomezequence, for me that sounds a sensible thing to do15:22
knomezequence, thanks for listening and taking the time, and feel free to ask if you have anything on your mind15:22
zequenceIThe thing abou, especially audio production machines, is that you might have the same system, without internet connection (cause you don't want it), for 5 years - it's probably a tiny little group in all of humanity, using Ubuntu Studio for that, but it's a noble bunch15:23
zequenceNow and then, you might want to update it15:24
zequence..and you fear it each time15:25
knomeyeah, though if you're not connected to the internet, you can keep on using any release for as long as you want15:25
knomewithout anything being prone to breaking15:25
knome*even without any support promise*15:25
zequencethat's true. But, each point release has new security updates15:25
knomeactually,15:26
zequenceand other bug fixes15:26
zequenceWeÃ're Ã¥articularly concerned about the kernel15:26
knomewith 3 years of support you already have .5 point releases15:26
zequenceAt this point, Trusty is not looking very good. The kernel has some pretty bad bugs in it15:27
zequenceI might not install Trusty for a production machine until point release .1 or .215:27
knomeyep, i see many people doing that, especially on work machines15:28
slickymasterWorkknome, jjfrv8 +1 on adding Settings Manager to WhiskerMenu's favorites and on adding the icons next to the text in the docs15:58
knomeyep, just wanted you to ack he's working on it :)15:59
* elfy wonders what the default favourites are15:59
knomeelfy, "anything that is mentioned on the slide"16:00
slickymasterWorkthere's the issue that that might cause us to review them entirely so it would also be added through all chapters/section as needed so uniformity is kept 16:00
knome"the issue"? :)16:00
knomeoh, right16:00
knomei think it would be fine to do that just on that spot, at least for now16:01
knomewe can extend later16:01
knomethe point is, those icons do not have a description visible at all times16:01
knomethings in the menu do16:01
slickymasterWorkwell, it's sort of an issue, since I think it's something that sooner or later will have to be addressed 16:01
knomewell then we should do that16:02
knomebut it's not something that's release-critical16:02
elfyknome: so how do I see what's on the slide without running an image16:02
slickymasterWorkagrre, but either way a review should be made to check if that is/will be needed elsewhere16:03
knomeelfy, bzr branch lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu; cd ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu; ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu16:03
slickymasterWorks/agrre/agree16:04
knomeslickymasterWork, i don't think we have any other places where there is no label for an icon16:04
knomeslickymasterWork, so in that way, it's logical even if we only add the icons in that place16:04
slickymasterWorkI'll go through them, just to double check16:04
knomethanks:)16:04
slickymasterWorkI'll also ping jjfrv8 to see if he needs any help on the panel customization and MenuLibre paragraphs16:06
knomenice16:06
knomethanks for taking care16:06
slickymasterWorkwill you be around tonight?16:06
knomeless, but will be at least later16:06
elfyknome: so it's going to have mugshot and menulibre in there as well?16:06
knomeastraljava is coming here in some time :)16:06
slickymasterWorkI thought on nagging you about the integration of NewDocs in the doc team16:07
knomeelfy, actually, sorry16:07
knomeelfy, anything that's on the default apps slide16:07
slickymasterWorkbut we can postponed that16:07
knomeslickymasterWork, well i'm around for some time now :)16:07
elfyand where was all this decided?16:07
slickymasterWorkshell we hope to #ubuntu-newdocs then16:08
slickymasterWorks/hope/hop16:08
knomeelfy, i had a PM with ochosi. it'll land for b2, then we can reconsider that as a team, if needed16:08
elfymmm16:08
knomeelfy, do you have any requests for those?16:08
knomei mean, it does make sense to have the things we advertise in the slideshow16:08
knomeand doesn't feel like there is anything else we should list16:08
knomeor if there is, maybe we should add them to the slideshow as well :)16:09
elfynot really16:09
knomeoh right,16:09
knometerminal also16:09
knomein the favs16:09
knomeand help16:09
knomethat's the two things not on the default apps slide, but on favs16:09
knomethe docs startpage gets redone, so we don't need the x website/contribute to x either16:09
elfymostly what is annoying me is that people have to work out that one of the icons on the menu - which you don't see unless you actually go to is it - is where you can actually turn the machine off, or logoff 16:10
elfyrather than have it on the panel16:10
knomeelfy, yeah, as i said to ochosi, we should discuss this in a meeting16:10
elfybut it won't affect me 16:10
knomebut he had a fair point, the panel layout proposal was up an in the wiki for a long time...16:10
elfyyea - and I can understand that - I do get extremely annoyed at 75% of -team never bothering to test 16:11
knomeyep16:12
ochosiyup16:12
elfyat the end of the day - whatever you decide is default won't last here any longer than the first install ;)16:12
ochosithat's the same with pretty much everyone i think16:12
ochosiand one reason why i chopped down the panel layout16:12
elfyso I'll just +0 it when it turns up as a discussion16:13
schproodleneed to file a bug for Window Manger settings -- where to go please16:39
elfyubuntu-bug xfwm4-settings16:40
elfybut is it a bug :)16:40
knomewindow mangler16:40
knome;)16:40
elfyha ha ha 16:40
schproodleI don't know a bug from bud really16:40
knomethe bug is buggy16:40
schproodleTestcase #12-#17 in 'Check...Advanced Options'; select Advanced tab; 'Wrap works space' NEVER happens for dragged window or monse pointer.16:41
elfyI'll not discuss bud16:41
knomeelfy, not even bud light?16:41
knome:P16:41
schproodlewhere is bud?16:41
slickymasterWorkwell, a corona icon could/should be added to the favorites, providing ochosi agrees with it ;)16:43
knome;)16:44
schproodleseems more like a Moroni than Peroni, in this case16:45
ochosiperoni - per noi?16:47
slickymasterWorkschproodle: if you think there's something wrong with that testcas, the you can fil a bug against it over here -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+filebug16:48
schproodleslickymasterWork, The testcase is clear enough -- just that Wrap works space' NEVER happens for dragged window or monse pointer. Seems like it might be bug eh.16:49
knomeochosi, do we have multiple workspaces by default?16:50
elfy2 I thought 16:50
schproodleyes 2 but no 'switcher' in sight eh16:51
knomeschproodle, nope.16:51
elfyhow many do we need ?16:51
knomemore then one if we're testing whether they work ;)16:52
schproodlebuds? a few anyway...16:52
elfymust be thinking about something else then - I switch by clicking, or mouse wheel, or middle button on desktop16:52
elfythough I'm not thinking very straight either lol16:53
knomeelfy, drag windoe title to the "monitor" edge and over, and it should wrap to the next workspace16:53
elfyyep16:54
elfyjust dragged you all the way to desktop 216:54
knomelol, thanks16:55
schproodleright, shoulda except it failed on my test in vm16:55
* elfy boots his16:55
elfyand tries to remember which one isn't 640x48016:56
elfyreally should sort them out lol16:56
knomehah16:56
knome;)16:56
elfyreally want a faster machine too 16:58
elfynot being Unit193 16:58
elfyno dragging in there17:00
knomeyep17:00
knomeso maybe it is a bug in the testcase indeed17:01
elfyat least in the live session17:01
elfywell - when I wrote it - it would have worked or I'd not have written it like that17:02
elfyso maybe a change in what happens17:02
elfyI'll add it to the -qa list 17:02
knomebbl :)17:02
elfyand it would have worked a short while back - I've been testing testcases before I call17:03
elfycya later knome 17:03
schproodleBug #128623917:03
ubottubug 1286239 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "'Wrap works space' NEVER happens for dragged window or monse pointer." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128623917:03
elfyyou've created the bug against the xfce package instead of testcases :)17:05
schproodleoh, ^monse^mouse ;)17:05
GridCubeshould i add to the mugshot bug report that the only available option for a new avatar is to choose from the non-existent presets? while before you could also search for a picture yourself?17:06
schproodleI don't think it is a testcase problem17:06
GridCubeor should i make a new bug report for that?17:06
elfyschproodle: works fine on this machine 17:06
schproodleelfy, didn't work for my test anyhow.17:07
elfyGridCube: what bug is it?17:08
GridCubehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/mugshot/+bug/128472017:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1284720 in Mugshot "mugshot fails at attempt to change avatar" [Undecided,New]17:08
elfyGridCube: that's what toz was saying17:09
GridCubeno17:09
elfyit's also not picking up camera here - but that's a dependency17:09
elfyI guess adding information doesn't hurt at all - saves bluesabre asking in here :)17:10
GridCubeelfy, http://goput.it/ph99.png17:11
elfyyea - I see that behaviour here too17:11
GridCubesee the "examinar" allows you to search for a picture by hand, thats not available in 14.0417:11
elfyyep17:11
GridCubei think thats not related with the empty preset folder17:12
elfydo a new one - I can me too it17:12
GridCubeas after making one, and the crash goes away, there is still no examinar option17:12
GridCubealright17:13
schproodleelfy, reviewing the exchanges above.  Should I have file the but somehow for the testcase?17:14
schproodlefile the bug17:14
elfybluesabre: you want a bug report for the camera not working in mugshot - can't remember what needed to installed that wasn't17:14
schproodlefiled the bug17:14
elfyschproodle: probably - we'll get someone to move it 17:14
schproodleok. sorry, I don't understand. where would I move it?17:15
elfyyou can't :)17:15
GridCubeelfy, https://bugs.launchpad.net/mugshot/+bug/128624317:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1286243 in Mugshot "Mugshot in Trusty Dailies doesnt have a search option for avatars" [Undecided,New]17:15
elfydone17:16
GridCubekk17:16
brainwashGridCube: specific image?17:25
GridCubebrainwash, ?17:26
elfybrainwash: the option to find one from files you've got locally17:26
GridCubeah, i meant like random images locally17:26
brainwashit's missing?17:26
GridCubeyes17:26
brainwashthat's strange :)17:27
brainwashI cannot test it right now, but I remember that you can select different sources to select an image17:30
brainwashor do you mean the stock images?17:31
slickymasterWorkelfy: do you want me to pick up bug 1286239 or are you doing it?17:31
ubottubug 1286239 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "'Wrap works space' NEVER happens for dragged window or mouse pointer." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128623917:31
elfynot now you can't 17:31
brainwashnow you can't? bug alert! :D17:31
slickymasterWork?! it's not assigned yet :P17:32
slickymasterWorkeven though it's raised against the wrong package :P17:32
brainwashGridCube: just changed my profile picture, so it's working fine here17:37
elfymissed a bunch of that 17:52
slickymasterWorknot much elfy 17:52
elfyschproodle: you know you fail resize tests on bug 1227057 - do you actually have a big enough vm drive for it to offer the option? 17:52
ubottubug 1227057 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Resizing partitions not an option" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122705717:52
elfybecause if you have for instance a default 8Gb vbox drive - then it won't do it afaik - as the minumum space req'd is ~5Gb - so you'd need at least twice that17:52
slickymasterWorkelfy: edited bug 1286239 description and affected package17:53
ubottubug 1286239 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "'Wrap works space' NEVER happens for dragged window or mouse pointer." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128623917:53
slickymasterWorkso it's all yours :P17:53
elfyslickymasterWork: did you see me say don't bother with the testcase?17:53
elfyand how do you edit a package?17:54
slickymasterWorknopes17:54
elfyin a bug ... 17:54
elfyoh you haven't you just added testcases 17:55
slickymasterWorkright17:55
slickymasterWorkthere's no editing in packages, what I meant is that I edit against what it's filled17:56
elfyyea - I thought you meant you'd removed xfce4 package :)17:56
slickymasterWorkbut you were saying no to bother with the testcase...17:56
elfyyea17:57
slickymasterWorkI won't, but any reason in particular?17:57
elfyyou probably didn't see me say ... 17:57
elfythat I was more concerned with menulibre :)17:57
elfyslickymasterWork: I'm not sure that I'm going to be doing as many tests next cycle 17:58
elfyand I'll not be calling for that one again this cycle17:58
slickymasterWorkI'll go back in time, just give a sec to catch a wormhole17:58
slickymasterWorkhumm just hope that it will not mean the end of -qa17:59
elfyonly package stuff I shall be calling this cycle left is networking and the addition stuff at the bottome17:59
elfyoh no - not at all :)17:59
slickymasterWorkelfy: bottome?!17:59
elfynot sure we really need to be testing all of these things each cycle 18:00
elfybottom of http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases18:00
slickymasterWorkwell, with some I do agree with you18:00
elfyI'll wrap up the trusty cycle in a mail with -team - then start a discussion that no-one will reply to about whether to do the same amount18:01
elfywait a week for no replies then decide on my own18:01
slickymasterWorkI'll try to nag you18:01
elfylol18:02
slickymasterWorkas far as tests done goes, besides a few exceptions there aren't many -qa members listed either on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers or http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers18:04
elfyno18:04
elfynor -testers18:05
slickymasterWorkexactly18:06
* elfy has list of image testers18:06
elfynot done the package one - but there will be one18:06
elfyand a blog post18:07
elfythen again whoever's xpl might want to do things differently - who knows18:07
elfykeyboard got marked as high - that's hopeful :)18:09
slickymasterWorkeh eh eh I'm not facing that one 18:09
elfyI started to look to see if I could replicate with a french layout - then I couldn't do the password properly lol - gave up on that as a bad move :p18:13
schproodleelfy, How big should the drive be?  Vbox seems to dfault to 8Gb. The size is dynamically expanded as I understand beyond that.18:18
elfyyes - but as 1 install 'wants' 6.1Gb - you'll not fit 2 into 8Gb :)18:19
pleia2I think the installer still wants 4.something free for an install18:19
schproodleelfy,  regarding your comment: 'resize tests on bug 1227057'18:19
ubottubug 1227057 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Resizing partitions not an option" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122705718:19
pleia2eek, 6.1 :)18:19
* pleia2 behindthetimes18:19
elfypleia2: yea - it was 5ish a short while back18:19
elfyschproodle: yes - if you're trying to fit a quart in a pint pot - it'll not work :)18:20
slickymasterWorkschproodle: you don't have to go necessarly with the dynamic allocation option, I always opt for the fixed size option18:20
elfyI always go for dynamic - but I've got a vm with 20GB space I use for resize testing18:20
schproodleok, how big then should the vm have?  Fixed size OK.  I have lotsa space18:20
elfy^^18:21
slickymasterWorkschproodle: in my case I always go for 22 GB fixed size disk, 10 GB for /, 10 for /home and 2GB for swap18:21
schproodlewhat does ^^ signify eh18:21
slickymasterWorklol18:21
slickymasterWorkto read what someone posted previously18:22
schproodleok18:22
schproodlehow big is too big?18:22
schproodleslickymasterWork, fixed size may be faster according to vbox dialog18:23
slickymasterWorkwhen you start to allocate more space than what the host needs, then you're getting into a too nig situation18:23
elfywell - no idea what the maximum is 18:24
slickymasterWorkI'm under that impression 18:24
slickymasterWorks/nig/big18:24
elfybut if you're just testing then if you had~20 that's sufficient18:24
schproodlewill do.  the side by each installation of course means the existing drive needs to be re-partiioned or resized. 18:25
elfyyes - if the drive is big enough you get the autoresize option18:26
schproodleyes18:26
schproodlethe dynamic allocation is therefore irrelevant as the installer does not know aboutthat18:27
slickymasterWorkregarding that, no schproodle 18:27
elfyyea - of no importance - the drive can be as big as the max originally set 18:28
elfyit works fine :)18:28
Noskcajmicahg, Any chance you could sponsor bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282734 ?18:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1282734 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "Please update xubuntu-artwork" [Wishlist,In progress]18:47
micahgNoskcaj: sure, just not right now, maybe this weekend, more likely Monday18:48
Noskcajok, thanks18:48
micahgfeel free to poke me over the weekend18:48
brainwashbluesabre, ochosi: should xubuntu/mugshot ship some preinstalled avatar pictures?19:19
brainwashlike windows, gnome 3,.. do19:20
elfysounds like a wonderful reason :p19:24
elfyknome: you had chance to look at that merge thingy19:26
brainwashhow about a contest to get a nice selection of stock profile pictures? :D19:26
brainwashfor 14.1019:26
elfysounds like an idea to me 19:26
elfybut I'll still use Red Cap :p19:26
brainwashbtw bug 1016932 got fixed19:26
ubottubug 1016932 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "Setting user as administrator doesn't give him sudoing rights" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101693219:27
brainwashnow we need to test if it actually works19:28
elfydidn't even know about it19:28
brainwashjudging by the bug report heat level almost no one did19:29
elfyyea19:32
brainwashand bug 1185396 isn't noticeable anymore after apport gets disabled (final release)19:33
ubottubug 1185396 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "users-admin crashed with SIGSEGV in gst_user_profiles_get_for_user()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118539619:33
elfyyea - bit of a pita that - but it does the job then crashes19:34
Noskcajbrainwash, There appear to be stock pictures already19:42
brainwashNoskcaj: in xubuntu?19:43
NoskcajThey might be from a different package, but i have about 20 pictures in mugshot's "stock" category19:43
brainwashyou have gdm installed?19:44
elfyI just get a crash if I try to do anything with the avatar 19:48
brainwashshould get fixed soon19:50
elfysaw that19:50
elfycan't remember what needed installing to get the camera recognised or I'd check that 19:56
elfyoh hang on ... 19:57
schproodleelfy, auto resize intall goint as expected.  Sorry about those bug reports.19:58
elfyoh nvm - forgot this one got an emergency re-install for a moment then lol19:58
brainwashelfy: see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mugshot-dev/mugshot/trunk/view/head:/README19:58
elfyschproodle: that's ok - I kept meaning to tell you when I saw you - then kept forgetting :)19:58
schproodleelfy, I think I brought his up here but it was likely unintelligible due to my lack of understandinng.20:00
elfybrainwash: thanks - got it 20:01
schproodleelfy, do you not have access to my email?20:01
elfywut?20:01
schproodleI guess that is private on launchpad.20:01
elfybrainwash: though - saving and stuff with camera didn't actually do anything20:02
schproodleYou were waitin to see me eh.20:02
elfyschproodle: if it is set to private - then no :)20:02
brainwashelfy: :(20:02
elfyschproodle: if it had been that important I would have edited your test results and made them passed and removed the bug20:03
elfyI knew it wasn't a bug - or you'd have seen me trying to find out what was up20:03
elfybrainwash: should save pic as .face ?20:03
schproodleok, I see your changes on another one. Thanks.20:03
brainwashelfy: yes, but I never tried to generate a pic from cam20:04
elfymmm 20:04
brainwashso something might be broken20:04
elfyguess so 20:05
elfyI'll report it now20:05
elfywonder if the gstreamer tools package shouldn't be optional though 20:06
elfyodd - sets the pic in the mugshot app - but doesn't save as .face - nor obviously appear at lock screen20:09
elfyparole resets volume on unlock ... 20:10
elfybug 128631220:11
ubottubug 1286312 in mugshot (Ubuntu) "Camera option in mugshot not saving" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128631220:11
astraljavaHey guys, gnome suggested to try light-locker on my saucy laptop instead of xscreensaver, so that I could easier suspend it when session is locked. My question is, how should xflock4 be utilized in unison?20:50
astraljavaCurrently I have ctrl-alt-del set to fire up xflock4, but it doesn't do anything.20:50
elfyastraljava - hi :)20:51
brainwashastraljava: call it directly with "light-locker-command -l"20:52
astraljavabrainwash: That's what I thought, too, but what happens to automatic locking? There's no screensaver settings in settings manager anymore.20:53
astraljavaelfy: Hi there. :)20:53
brainwashif light-locker is running in the background, it will launch automatically on suspend/hibernate (dbus activation)20:54
brainwashsimilar to gnomer-screensaver20:54
brainwashon top of that, recent versions should lock the screen upon the screen blanking20:56
brainwasha gui to change some settings is available too -> https://launchpad.net/light-locker-settings20:57
astraljavabrainwash: Ahh... cool, thanks!21:03
Noskcajbluesabre, ping21:04
Noskcajdo the CVEs affect 0.3.2? If so, does that patch at http://paste.ubuntu.com/7012588/ fix it?21:05
astraljavaUnit193: Did you know of a way to get xfce4-terminal tab respond quicker from ssh timeout when connection was lost? gnome said you might.21:07
Unit193astraljava: I'm having problems parsing what you said, but were you looking for ServerAliveInterval ?21:23
brainwashhow do I install an additional package from within a program? my current approach would be to spawn a shell and run apt-get21:43
brainwashbug 127009021:43
ubottubug 1270090 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "time-admin can not install ntp" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127009021:43
Noskcajbrainwash, USC, LSC, synaptic21:44
brainwashtime-admin requires synaptic an gksudo to install ntp, but we don't ship that anymore21:44
brainwashisn't there some lightweight solution?21:44
brainwashsome update-manager magic?21:45
Noskcajprobably21:45
brainwashon top of that, I'm not even sure if the ntp is still recommended21:47
brainwashthe ntp daemon21:47
ali1234brainwash: package-kit22:02
ali1234!info packagekit22:02
ubottupackagekit (source: packagekit): Provides a package management service. In component main, is extra. Version 0.8.10-2ubuntu2 (saucy), package size 304 kB, installed size 1160 kB22:02
ali1234you just request that a package be installed on dbus22:03
ali1234the service does all the rest22:03
slickymasterjjfrv8, ping if you want me to do anything, or help you, with the panel customization and MenuLibre paragraphs22:05
elfyslickymaster: you can have a look at this for me at some point - that'd be helpful :) https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/menuchange/+merge/20876322:07
slickymasteron it elfy 22:07
elfyno rush - today will be fine :p22:08
slickymasterlol22:08
elfyor tomorrow or the day after ... 22:08
elfyI'll not be syncing in any hurry22:08
slickymasterbetter speed up then, there's just a few hours left until this day last stroke22:09
elfylol - I'm off soon 22:09
elfybeen sitting here most of the day 22:09
slickymasterI'll drop a review there22:10
elfyok cheers slickymaster :)22:10
elfycya slickymaster 22:12
jjfrv8slickymaster, thanks for the offer. I'll holler if I get stuck but I don't think there should be that much work involved.22:12
slickymasterok jjfrv8 22:22
slickymasterjjfrv8: I'm going through the docs just to double check for any occurrences where the xub icon might be inserted like you did in you MP: http://imagebin.org/29632622:24
jjfrv8you mean places where it isn't now but we want it?22:26
slickymasteryes, jjfrv8 22:27
slickymasterI don't expect them to exist but no harm will come just for double checking22:28
jjfrv8good deal22:28
jjfrv8I know there are lots of (xub logo)->Settings Manager references and I'm wondering about the best way to handle that22:29
jjfrv8I thought maybe...22:29
jjfrv8something like the disclaimer we have about Thunar in Ch. 3...22:30
jjfrv8we'll mention where the icon is on the menu and then say "from here on out, we're just going to call it "Settings Manager"22:30
jjfrv8what do you think?22:30
jjfrv8what I mean is, we'll keep it like this: http://imagebin.org/296390 , but we will have explained up front that SM is the icon found at the bottom of the WM window22:40
jjfrv8chow time. back later22:46
slickymasterelfy, reviewed -> https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/menuchange/+merge/20876322:50
slickymasterjjfrv8: agree with that. I think that's a sane approach 22:51
slickymasterlet's us see what knome and Unit193 think about it22:52
Unit193>_>22:52
Unit193What's it look like now?22:53
slickymasternow there are quite a few (xub logo)->Settings Manager references that could be dropped22:56
slickymasterelfy, just added the 'Needs fixing' tag to your MP, due to that line 7 in the Xchat testcase22:56
Unit193Isn't there a settings manager button in Whisker?22:57
slickymasteryes, and SM will be added to the whisker's favorites22:59
slickymasterbetter putted, there's the SM icon in whisker23:00
Unit193So it's still there, and all that is correct...23:06
slickymasterwhat is Unit193?23:07
Unit193(xub logo)->Settings Manager23:08
slickymasteryes, but that's not the point23:09
Unit193Oki.23:09
slickymasterthe point is wether we could drop a few of those (xub logo)->Settings Manager23:09
slickymasterthrough out the docs23:09
slickymastersomething like jjfrv8 said:23:10
slickymaster14:30  jjfrv8: something like the disclaimer we have about Thunar in Ch. 3...23:10
slickymaster14:30  jjfrv8: we'll mention where the icon is on the menu and then say "from here on out, we're just going to call it "Settings Manager"23:10
Unit193I saw that, but don't much see the point as to why.  Sure we could, but it's not really taking up space and forces consistency.23:12
slickymasterI don't think that it would result in a drop of consistency and OTOH I think it would make it more... hmmm23:14
slickymasterlet try to find the right qualifier23:14
slickymaster+me23:14
Unit193I didn't see the reason *why* though, so may be missing something.23:15
slickymasterless distracting in reading termns23:15
slickymastererms23:15
slickymasterigh23:16
slickymasterterms23:16
* Unit193 checks on slickymaster.23:16
slickymasterlol23:16
slickymasterno need23:16
slickymasterI'm still trying to explain you what I'm trying to mean bit I lack the words23:17
jjfrv8slickymaster, iirc, knome preferred not to add settings manager to Favorites23:17
slickymasterand typing something with my mind in another thing results in that23:17
jjfrv8that's why I'm a little concerned about having to point ppl to an icon23:17
slickymasterjjfrv8: I was under the impression that we wasn't realy inclined in either possibilities23:18
slickymasterlet me check that23:19
jjfrv8I'll have to go back and read it again23:19
knomei don't mind either way.23:19
knomeyou should be in touch with ochosi about the final decision23:19
slickymasteryou could have been faster knome http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/02/28/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t13:4723:20
slickymaster:P23:20
knome;)23:20
slickymasterknome: not sure if already had the chance to catch up with the backlog, but when you do, what do you think about jjfrv8 idea on eventually dropping some of the (xub logo)->Settings Manager23:22
jjfrv8my memory's not so good :/23:22
knomelet me quickly go through it.23:23
* slickymaster will have a smoke in the meanwhile23:24
jjfrv8no, not to drop them. To leave them but explaining that there's really no "Settings Manager" entry, it's the icon we're referring to23:24
slickymasteroh, so I completely misunderstood your idea jjfrv8 23:28
slickymasterdon't get me wrong Unit193, I know that the docs are meat to everyone entering the xubuntu ecosystem, but some times I can't shake the feeling that all those logos make the text somewhat childish23:30
slickymasterand please don't take the term childish literally23:31
slickymasters/meat/meant :P23:31
slickymasterbut I'll drop it23:32
knomewe might be solving a non-problem23:35
jjfrv8so anyway... if we say something like "when we say (xub logo)->Settings Manager, we're referring to that little icon"...23:36
jjfrv8then we leave all the current references as is...23:36
jjfrv8and if SM eventually makes it into Favorites, we only have to remove one sentence.23:37
knomewe could change it to "(logo)->(settings_icon) Settings Manager23:37
jjfrv8that's okay too23:37
knomeafair, they are entities in the xubuntu.ent file. it's easy enough to change them23:38
knomeeven backa forth a bit, and test different options23:38
knome*back and forth23:38
slickymasteris the settings' icon file already in the entities file?23:38
* slickymaster checks23:39
knomeprobably not, but it's also easy enough to add it23:39
knomewe need to add it for the panel introduction section anyway23:39
jjfrv8no, but I've found the 16px versions of all four23:39
jjfrv8and was going to add them to entities23:40
slickymasterno it isn't, it'll have to be added23:40
slickymasterpresently just the packages and the key icons are there23:42
Unit193Ok, well I haven't used whisker enough to know what's located where.23:43
Unit193slickymaster: That may be the case, but we're mostly using words with a little visual aid, at least IMO.23:43
slickymasterUnit193 and you're right. The problem is in me not in the docs per si23:44
bluesabreNoskcaj: the CVEs affect all known versions of catfish, and that patch should fix it for the same23:45
Noskcajok. thanks.23:45
NoskcajD you have any idea how i'd go about writing tests for catfish, mugshot, etc? At least enough to stop me making uploads that break things23:46
bluesabrewe could probably make some simple autopilot tests23:47
bluesabrebut I personally recommend having a vm for debian and ubuntu, making snapshots before installing a test package, and reverting that snapshot as needed23:48
bluesabrethat's how I struggle through packaging most of the time23:48
NoskcajI lack the hardware to use VMs, so i was hoping there was some way to have built time/autopkg tests23:49
NoskcajI'll see if i can make a quick autopilot test though23:49
jjfrv8howdy, bluesabre 23:50
bluesabreyou can also bounce packages off of me to test as needed23:50
bluesabrehey jjfrv8, what's up?23:51
jjfrv8do you have a version of MenuLibre available for testing that has the top-level and directory addition enhancements in it?23:51
bluesabreI will in less than 24 hours23:51
bluesabreare you around this weekend?23:51
jjfrv8tomorrow, Sunday's doubtful23:51
bluesabreactually, most of the fixes are present at lp:menulibre23:52
bluesabrehttps://code.launchpad.net/~menulibre-dev/menulibre/master23:52
bluesabresee revisions 107-11323:52
bluesabrehttps://bazaar.launchpad.net/~menulibre-dev/menulibre/master/changes23:53
bluesabrestill working out some bugs there, but you may be able to do some testing23:53
bluesabreotherwise, I'll probably have a new release out tomorrow, time permitting23:54
jjfrv8I'll probably wait for that then. I don't know how to install from master (don't think, anyway)23:55
bluesabreyeah, you're better off that way23:56
bluesabreif you get eager, you can do a user install with23:56
bluesabrepython3 setup.py install --user23:56
jjfrv8if I get my chapter update done, I might experiment :)23:58
brainwashbluesabre: hey, do you think that xubuntu should ship some stock profile pictures?23:59

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