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[03:04] <rawfodog> Hi, are there any good xubuntu optimization blogs ? My install is really sluggish even though I have a good laptop
[03:04] <holstein> rawfodog: check the driver support for your graphics card for example
[03:05] <rawfodog> I knew it. I figured it was the shotty intel card I have
[03:05] <rawfodog> Good call holstein
[03:06] <rawfodog>  Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary)
[03:07] <rawfodog> Is there a program I can use that will download some third party drivers for it ?
[03:09] <holstein> rawfodog: no
[03:10] <holstein> rawfodog: have you tested the hardware? does it run slow live? what are the specs of the machine?
[03:11] <rawfodog> dual 2.1 4 gigs of ram 120 gig ssd
[03:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> what I want to know is if the GLX drivers are loaded, with direct rendering working.
[03:11] <rawfodog> its a heavily upgraded dell inspiron 1420
[03:11] <rawfodog> how do I check ? Sorry I'm so poor when it comes to hardware in gnu/linux
[03:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> I've noticed that some intel gpus don't quite get configured right, even though xorg supposedly uses the intel drivers.
[03:11] <holstein> Poisoned_Dragon: maybe use glx gears
[03:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> glxinfo would tell him.
[03:12] <holstein> Poisoned_Dragon: OH.. i see what you are saying
[03:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> glxinfo | grep DRI
[03:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> If there is no output, we may have problems.
[03:14] <rawfodog> here you go guys
[03:14] <rawfodog> http://pastebin.com/N0Q3P0Ls
[03:14] <rawfodog> sorry didnt see the grep  message till now :3
[03:16] <holstein> rawfodog: did it run "slowly" from the live CD?
[03:16] <rawfodog> I think so yes
[03:17] <holstein> rawfodog: why not fire it up right now and make sure?
[03:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> GLX is running with DRI
[03:17] <holstein> rawfodog: have you ever ran linux on it before? or any other operating system?
[03:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> That's the good news.
[03:17] <rawfodog> I had sabayon on it for a while
[03:17] <holstein> rawfodog: and?
[03:17] <rawfodog> was pretty snappy actually
[03:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> what's sluggish about it?
[03:18] <rawfodog> but every other distro sucked. I had fedora with gnome 3, that was crud. The only times this really works decent is when I have a very light DE like lxde or gnome2
[03:18] <rawfodog> or mate
[03:18] <holstein> rawfodog: ok.. so some version of sabayon configured in a way that we dont know worked
[03:18] <rawfodog> When I had windows on here the video was slow too
[03:18] <rawfodog> I think this videocard is to blame here
[03:18] <rawfodog> you are right
[03:18] <holstein> rawfodog: its not really an indication of "sucked" that the hardware is not supported
[03:18] <holstein> rawfodog: could be that the hardware is going bad..
[03:18] <rawfodog> thats what I meant heh sorry
[03:19] <holstein> rawfodog: i dont konw your history with the hardware, but i would test it.. i test the memory and either bypass or test the hard drive, and any other components i can
[03:20] <holstein> rawfodog: i would load up the saybayon you had, if you still have a live installer or live CD, and see what it has.. what kernel.. what grahpics driver, etc
[03:20] <rawfodog> how would I config the intel card to work better with xubuntu ?
[03:20] <holstein> rawfodog: what if its just bad hardware?
[03:20] <holstein> rawfodog: you cant configure software around bad hardware, typically
[03:21] <holstein> rawfodog: you can try the vesa driver.. that would be some type of test
[03:21] <rawfodog> wht would I need to do to do that ?
[03:21]  * Poisoned_Dragon shudders.
[03:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> eeewwww, the vesa drivers.
[03:22] <holstein> rawfodog: you would read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209 ..it says how to create what you need at /etc/X11/xorg.conf and what to put in it
[03:22] <holstein> you likely wont want to use them, but you can remove the current driver from the equation
[03:22] <holstein> intel devices are typically well supported
[03:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> I, personally, prefer to add smaller conf files in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/, but to each their own.
[03:23] <holstein> dont worry with the resolution. just boot, test the speed.. and go from there
[03:23] <holstein> Poisoned_Dragon: i just havent done it that way.. whatever works :)
[03:25] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's actually pretty nice. with an xorg.conf file, you have to make sure everything is in the file. If I read correctly, an xorg file is a complete override of Xorg's autoconfig capabilities. With conf file in xorg.cond.d, you only have to override what is needed. So, you can add one small file to change graphics specs, without effecting the input files or other features.
[03:38] <rawfodog> holstein, xorg.conf isnt in etc/x11
[03:39] <Poisoned_Dragon> Nope. If you go that route, you have to put it in.
[03:40] <rawfodog> oh ok lol
[03:40] <rawfodog> so I'll creat my own xorg
[03:40] <Poisoned_Dragon> yup
[03:40] <rawfodog> Will I be able to get my laptop resolution ? of course huh ?
[03:40] <rawfodog> vesa is what puppy and knoppix uses right ?
[03:40] <rawfodog> Those run great. Ill try this
[03:41] <Poisoned_Dragon> That I'm not 100% on. I'd have to know more details that I'm terrible at helping with remotely.
[03:41] <burgr1ndz> if ya are able to blow the fans out, check see if bios can be updated also
[03:41] <Poisoned_Dragon> oh, yeah. bios can be an issue to.
[03:42] <burgr1ndz> i'm grabben my first ssd tomorrow, dunno if i'll sleep tonight
[03:42] <rawfodog> How do I select vesa now ? I put the conf in x11 folder. Do I reboot ?
[03:43] <Poisoned_Dragon> I just recently had an issue with the laptop lid switch, after an update for xubuntu 14.04 alpha. Turns out, the laptop was using the original bios. The newest one made it linux friendly.
[03:43] <burgr1ndz> i only loaded nvidia drivers one time on linux, had an nvidia boot splash screen afterwards, was an older quadro lappy
[03:45] <burgr1ndz> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/best-distro-for-inspiron-1420-a-576551/
[03:51] <rawfodog> so I rebooted ... its 1080 now lol
[03:51] <rawfodog> How do I config this to do 1280 X 800 ?
[03:53] <rawfodog> holstein, you said this can do 1280 right ?
[03:56] <rawfodog> Modeline        "1280x1024_60.00"  108.88  1280 1360 1496 1712  1024 1025 1028 1060  -HSync +Vsync
[03:57] <rawfodog> Gonna add that ... will it blow up ? lol
[03:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> worst case, xserver doesn't start and you'll have to log in on tty. then just delete the xorg.conf file, or attack it with nano.
[03:57] <rawfodog> k hehehe
[03:58] <rawfodog> so my videocard wont exploid or anything ?
[03:58] <rawfodog> k gonna reboot
[03:58] <rawfodog> brb
[03:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> k
[03:59] <rawfodog> k
[03:59] <rawfodog> So its the right resolution, how can I tell if it is actually using vesa now ?
[03:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, you're here. So, it didn't blow up
[04:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> glxinfo would tell you
[04:00] <rawfodog> hahaha nice
[04:00] <rawfodog> ok great,
[04:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> wait... glxinfo would tell you the driver stuff.
[04:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> xrandr might be a faster way to see the current resolution.
[04:01] <rawfodog> http://pastebin.com/YjYr1tgz
[04:01] <Poisoned_Dragon> can also check display in the settings manager
[04:02] <rawfodog> doesnt say vesa
[04:02] <rawfodog> hmmm ...
[04:02] <rawfodog> theres got to be a log or something that tells me I am infact using vesa
[04:03] <rawfodog> might be a placebo but it does feel snappier now
[04:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> Um, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[04:04] <Poisoned_Dragon> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep vesa
[04:05] <rawfodog> k
[04:05] <rawfodog> looks like it's using it
[04:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> yay, I think
[04:05] <rawfodog> thanks for the help guys
[04:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> no prob
[04:06] <rawfodog> everything seems snappier. basically what I want
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[08:56] <lucrus> hello *
[08:56] <lucrus> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2014-February/006563.html
[09:36] <xubuntu846> hi
[09:37] <xubuntu846> i been trying to build persistent usb linux for days. no luck. can anyone help/
[09:37] <cfhowlett> !persistence
[09:37] <ubottu> To have some persistent storage when using a Live CD, follow the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDPersistence
[09:38] <xubuntu846> thanks, i'll check it out
[09:44] <xubuntu021> ciaoraga
[09:44] <xubuntu021> alcune domande prima di installare posso?
[09:44] <TheSheep> !pt
[09:44] <ubottu> Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Para entrar no canal por favor faça "/join #ubuntu-br" sem as aspas. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, use #ubuntu-pt. Obrigada.
[09:44] <ochosi> in generale si, ma questo channel è inglese-solo
[09:44] <ochosi> !it
[09:44] <ubottu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)
[09:44] <ochosi> TheSheep: almost ;)
[09:45] <TheSheep> ochosi: it's all bastardized latin anyways ;)
[09:45] <xubuntu021>  ok ok guy
[09:45] <xubuntu021> sorry :-]
[09:45] <xubuntu021> thanks end by
[09:45] <ochosi> TheSheep: hehe, indeed
[09:46] <ochosi> xubuntu021: di niente, ciao!
[09:46] <xubuntu021> :-]
[10:08] <maci_> hi, I'm using xubuntu 12.10.3 on my old Dell Latitude D-505 and I'd like to share my display with my Samsung HDTV via s-video-scart cable. Is there anyone who can help me how to do it?
[10:21] <maci_> does anyone know where can I get support?
[10:23] <slickymasterWork> !ask | maci_
[10:23] <ubottu> maci_: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[10:45] <maci_> once again in 1 line:hi, anyone knows how to connect xubuntu 12.10 to HDTV via s-video scart?
[12:29] <peyam> Xubuntu goes same way ubuntu did with unity
[12:29] <peyam> it's just sad
[12:30] <peyam> I dont get why xubuntu dont use midori?
[12:30] <peyam> I get 12% with FF and have only adblock.
[12:30] <peyam> with midori I get 5%
[12:32] <elfy> use midori then - I don't see why anyone else should have to
[12:32] <elfy> and this is better in offtopic than here - it's hardly a support question
[12:32] <peyam> nobody is forced to use FF either. but since xubuntu is a lightweight distro. shouldn't it have a light weight webbrowser as wwll
[12:33] <peyam> it's a development duggestion since ive been fan of xubuntu for a long time now
[12:33] <elfy> this isn't the development channel either
[12:33] <peyam> elfy, stop bein annoying
[12:37] <koegs> peyam: please use the correct channels instead of "annoying" all others :)
[12:37] <peyam> :)
[12:38] <elfy> peyam: if you're that interested then read this https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-January/009615.html , this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument and then do something proactive
[12:38] <peyam> No! got no time for that sorry. Got time for complaining and spreading the words
[12:39] <elfy> thought as much
[12:39] <elfy> take it to -offtopic
[12:39] <peyam> Just contributed 30 Kr to Wikipedia!
[12:51] <knome> peyam, those who do, decide; either start contributing or stop bothering developers with arguing and insisting
[12:51] <peyam> no
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[14:51] <burgr1ndz> i'm on xubuntu/seconion, can't get anyone to say hello over there, anyone got a link on how to get wifi up and runnen on it, love the distro, used to hitting the net non gui anyway, got it set up full install on other box but for whatever reason, i've been googling/reading couple days, haven trouble with the wifi, the box sees wlan0, eth0, even plugged my alfa in saw it wlan1, thanx
[14:52] <holstein> burgr1ndz: to say hello over where?
[14:52] <burgr1ndz> their channel
[14:52] <holstein> burgr1ndz: whos? this is the xubuntu channel
[14:52] <burgr1ndz> #securityonion
[14:52] <burgr1ndz> yeah it's built on this distro
[14:52] <burgr1ndz> maybe why i'm here
[14:52] <holstein> burgr1ndz: we cant support it
[14:53] <holstein> !wifi | burgr1ndz may help
[14:53] <ubottu> burgr1ndz may help: Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[14:53] <burgr1ndz> sounds good
[14:53] <holstein> could be a proprietary driver issue such as..
[14:53] <holstein> !broadcom
[14:53] <ubottu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[14:53] <Poisoned_Dragon> too late
[14:53] <Poisoned_Dragon> he poofed
[16:29] <kingplusplus> please i need help installing xubuntu, i have 3 partitions one for windows and 2 unallocated, when i click to install in the free space which i created as unallogated after installing windows it says no root file is defined... please how do i fix this?
[16:33] <elfy> kingplusplus: 2 unallocated - what sizes?
[16:34] <kingplusplus> elfy sorry i mean 2 unallocated partition, 455 GB and its labelled free space
[16:35] <kingplusplus> this is where i want it installed, but when i select the drive and click install it says No root file system
[16:36] <elfy> so you just need to create 2 partitions in the unallocated area - select the unallocated area - then at the bottom - should be a new button - that will let you create new partitions - one for swap, one for the install
[16:36] <elfy> that's a lot of space though
[16:37] <elfy> mmmm
[16:37] <elfy> "sorry i mean 2 unallocated partition" what does that mean - you've made partitions?
[16:38] <elfy> kingplusplus: open a terminal with ctrl+alt+t or win+t
[16:38] <elfy> then run sudo fdisk -l |pastebinit
[16:39] <elfy> then give us the url you get
[16:41] <kingplusplus> elfy, paste.ubuntu.com/7011274
[16:44] <elfy> kingplusplus: ok - so you've just got empty space after the other partition
[16:44] <kingplusplus> elfy, yes
[16:44] <elfy> how much RAM
[16:45] <kingplusplus> i have 8 gb ram
[16:46] <elfy> ok - so using the NEW button in the installer - make 3 partitions, one 8Gb, one 20GB the last the remaining space
[16:46] <elfy> the first one - make linuxswap
[16:46] <elfy> the seocnd - ext4 and in the mountpoint box /
[16:46] <elfy> the last - ext4 and mountpoint /home
[16:46] <elfy> then you should be fine to install
[16:47] <kingplusplus>  ok elfy thankts let me do as specified
[16:47] <elfy> yep - I'm in and out - but others are about
[16:48] <kingplusplus> elfy no linuxswap so i selected swap area... i that ok?
[16:49] <elfy> yep
[16:58] <kingplusplus> elfy thanks,
[16:59] <kingplusplus> all done, installing now
[17:01] <elfy> welcome
[17:11] <Meerkat> Can I install Xubuntu with the alternate CD and still keep windows on the same disk?
[17:12] <elfy> yes - as long as you don't delete the windows partition
[17:12] <Meerkat> can I resize it with the alternate CD?
[17:13] <elfy> no idea - long time since I used the alternate - I would assume so
[17:26] <CajunTechie> Elfy: IIRC, it's suggested that you resize the Windows partition with a Windows tool. At least that's what I read during my latest install. If you're running Win 7, that's an easy thing to do.
[17:26] <CajunTechie> Ooops. sorry, that was supposed to go to Meerkat
[17:26] <Meerkat> it's running XP
[17:27] <Meerkat> know any tool for that?
[17:28] <CajunTechie> Probably something like PartitionMagic or someting
[17:29] <elfy> Meerkat: I'd really assume that the alternate will do it - the livesession will - and the alternate is more refined
[17:36] <Meerkat> what worried me about the alternate CD was that when I picked "guided - rezise drive" it wanted to write changes before it would let me do any changes.
[18:54] <molgrum> hi, i had my laptop in the closet since october and just now i booted it and upgraded a lot of things, but the kernel wouldn't update. just says that it's "held back"?
[18:54] <CajunTechie> Has anyone gotten the Ubuntu developer stuff to install on Xubuntu?
[18:55] <molgrum> i did uname -a and it says kernel is from october :/
[18:59] <bekks> molgrum: sudp apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:59] <CajunTechie> molgrum, packages are generally held back if they would require other packages to be installed or uninstalled.
[18:59] <bekks> molgrum: more likely: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:00] <molgrum> thanks i'll try it
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[21:41] <kingplusplus> please i need some help, i do want opened applications showing on my desktop as icons, how can i disable this
[21:46] <holstein> kingplusplus: you do want open/running appications showing?
[21:47] <kingplusplus> holstein, thanks, i had it fixed, it was something i set in the desktop settings
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[22:26] <cub> Hi, I'd like to have an installation on an usb stick that I can boot up, work on and shut down and it will save both my work and any added applications. What's the best alternative, a persistent live usb or to do a full installation on the usb stick?
[22:26] <cub> note, the usb stick is 32 GB and I want to use it all
[22:27] <fibz_> a full install is better
[22:28] <fibz_> done use swap on USB
[22:28] <fibz_> dont*
[22:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> Just do a full install with the usb stick as the target drive.
[22:28] <cub> the instructions I've read about a full install says to create a 2 GB FAT32 partition first called /windows....any idea why?
[22:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> fibz_ is right. Swap on flash memory is very bad.
[22:28] <fibz_> dont use swap, ext2 is faster than ext4, and during install, make sure grub is being installed to the correct USB cub
[22:29] <cub> yes, but couldn't I still use ext4?
[22:29] <Poisoned_Dragon> you could
[22:29] <fibz_> you can, but ext2 would be better
[22:29] <cub> have been reading both good and bad about the journaling
[22:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> fibz_, what's the diff between the 2 on flash?
[22:30] <fibz_> ext2 without journaling will not lock up nearly as much as ext4
[22:31] <fibz_> ext4 is better, there is a bug with systems not always shutting down gracefully when using ext2, but when running from a flash drive, ext2 will make life better
[22:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> cool
[22:31] <cub> any idea why isntructions suggest to make 2 GB windows partition?
[22:32] <fibz_> when creating bootable flash drives, its better to use FAT16 than FAT32. FAT16 is faster
[22:32] <fibz_> because if it is ext2, you wont be able to use it in windows
[22:33] <cub> I will only boot it into xubuntu, i
[22:33] <fibz_> well, again ext2 is the better option here, ext2 can be read by windows with 3rd party apps. ext4 cannot (as far as i know)
[22:33] <cub> m not sure how to use it in windows
[22:33] <fibz_> then there is no need for the windows partition
[22:33] <cub> that's what I thought. :)
[22:34] <cub> cool, time to get to work then. Thanks fibz_ and Poisoned_Dragon !
[23:38] <mulletman1970> Hello. Can someone help me with an issue?
[23:38] <knome> mulletman1970, why not ask your real question and find out?
[23:41] <mulletman1970> Xubuntu 1.02 LTS on an Acer Aspire 5250 dual boot with Win 7. Previously installed Ubuntu, but like XFCE better. Ubuntu worked flawlessly. Xubuntu however has an issue that if the computer is off for a long period of time and I start it up and boot to Xubuntu, it "freezes" after a few seconds. I have my background, icons, etc, but the mouse pointer stops and I cannot even access the terminal. Now if I boot to Windows 7 first, t
[23:42] <mulletman1970> 12.04 sorry
[23:43] <mulletman1970> I tried re-installing and same issue. If I do a reboot, it works fine, but like I said if it sits overnight it freezes unless I boot to Win 7 first
[23:45] <mulletman1970> This is the only complaint I have and want to keep using Xubuntu, but if I cannot resolve this issue I will try another distro
[23:46] <Unit193> Makes sense, but you were cut off at "Now if I boot to Windows 7 first,".  So this is cold boot up it's not taking, but warm boot/reboot it does.
[23:46] <mulletman1970> yes! Cold boot freezes, but warm boot fine
[23:47] <Poisoned_Dragon_> that's actually not a terrible idea. If you try other distros with the xfce DE, you can determine if it's an issue with the DE.
[23:47] <Unit193> What doesn't make sense to me, Ubuntu with the same version doesn't.
[23:47] <Unit193> mulletman1970: Different kernel?
[23:48] <mulletman1970> Ubuntu was perfect. no problems
[23:49] <mulletman1970> I used Ubuntu 12.04 but now have Xubuntu 12.04
[23:54] <Unit193> Do you have somewhat newer hardware?  You can try the enablement stack.
[23:55] <mulletman1970> The laptop is about 3 years old with an AMD Dual core CPU
[23:56] <mulletman1970> Sorry such a newb, but what's an enablemant stack?
[23:58] <fibz_> i just a got twinge telling me you should check the SMART status of the hard drive.     reminds me of a failing hard drive i had in 2012
[23:58] <mulletman1970> How do I do that? I did check the disc for errors via Win 7
[23:59] <fibz_> that should have caught it. you can install smartmontools to read the actual SMART log (or speedfan in windows)