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[03:14] <mblayman> hello. I am experimenting with the SDK this evening and I'm having a rather disappointing start. I've added the PPA like the install instructions indicated, but my experience with the SDK on 13.10 seems pretty broken. Is the SDK only working well on 14.04?
[03:15] <sarnold> mblayman: I believe it is expected to work on supported desktop releases, e.g. 12.04, 12.10, 13.10, in addition to trusty
[03:16] <mblayman> All the Qt Creator documentation links are broken (404). It seems that the docs have move on the Digia website. Also, the "Build Something Solid" link on the Ubuntu screen links to an unknown location on the dev website.
[03:16] <mblayman> Then I attempted to do the simplest thing possible, create a new "Simple UI" app and run it with no modifications. Even that was broken.
[03:17] <mblayman> I certainly have no intent to be down on the project because I think the goal is awesome, but this is more than a little rough around the edges for me.
[03:18] <mblayman> Is the best recourse to start filing bugs (if they aren't filed already)?
[03:19] <mblayman> oh, I should add that the integrated IRC seems to be working quite well. :)
[03:19] <sarnold> mblayman: haha, I hadn't heard about integrated irc :) that's neat
[03:20] <mblayman> yep, coming to you live from inside of the SDK app.
[03:20] <sarnold> mblayman: probably filing bugs is the best approach; I know that there was a very-recent overhaul of developer.ubuntu.com, I suspect they know those links are busted, but the digia links may be news
[03:21] <mblayman> Any idea where the best place to file bugs is for this? ubuntu-sdk on lp or something like that?
[03:22] <toartist> how can I develop a home desktop aapp for ubuntu
[03:25] <mblayman> toartist: have you started looking at http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/?
[03:25] <mblayman> I believe that is supposed to be the starting point for app development on Ubuntu. It has quite a bit of information.
[03:26] <toartist> yeah,I see it.I want to develop a home application as start one.
[03:26] <toartist> like the phtable app
[03:27] <toartist> manager the app icons
[03:27] <mblayman> phtable app? I'm not familiar with that. Do you have a link?
[03:28] <sarnold> toartist: i suspect our security policies won't allow you to replace the entirety of the shell; it probably couldn't be distributed via the ubuntu app store
[03:29] <sarnold> toartist: if you still want to try, I think my first try would be to fork the unity8 environment and start making changes from that
[03:59] <toartist> ok,thank you,because we can do it under the android.so I want to try under ubuntu,I hope it can be allowed by office.
[08:16] <ribon> hai
[09:01] <randomcpp> can I compile an armhf binary with cmake? or do I only need a chroot to a armhf enviroement
[09:23] <kempe> anyone knows of a good example on how to fill a listview from localstorage?
[09:47] <aquarius> kempe, you may want to look at u1db, which makes that a lot, lot easier
[09:47] <aquarius> kempe, if you have some requirement why you definitely need to use LocalStorage SQL, you'll need to read and populate a ListModel yourself
[10:03] <kempe> aquarius, ok, i might look at a u1db solution but i would still like to learn how to use localstorage for to populate a listview
[10:13] <aquarius> kempe, OK -- you'll need to read the data out with SQL, iterate through it, and for each row (or whatever), construct a ListElement and .append() it to your ListModel
[10:16] <randomcpp> popey, ping
[10:16] <popey> randomcpp: pong
[10:17] <nik90> Good morning folks...sweet weekend ;)
[10:19] <randomcpp> I'm building the click pkg for trojita, you only need to include the binary, resources are included in the executable, but does it work for you? I can't get through the account settings page
[10:21] <popey> randomcpp: not tried it on device
[10:21] <popey> randomcpp: it builds on the desktop
[10:21] <randomcpp> neither did I
[10:22] <randomcpp> I'm using a chroot env to build the binaries, it takes a bit of time unfortunately
[10:26] <popey> randomcpp: and it builds okay, against qt5?
[10:27] <randomcpp> I'm only at 9%, it's building though
[10:28] <randomcpp> cross building on an i3 laptop takes ages
[10:31] <kempe> aquarius, ok. thanks yeah i already have the sql functions done (load and save) it was how to use it to get it to the list i was wondering about
[10:33] <nik90> popey: Can you check the following package versions and let me know -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7011850/
[10:35] <popey> nik90: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7015338/
[10:35] <popey> seems i dont have qtorganizer5-eds installed
[10:36] <nik90> popey: can you install it and see if you hit the sunday bug
[10:36] <nik90> popey: we have 2 clock bugs which are blocking image promotion
[10:36] <popey> ok
[10:36] <nik90> one of them just got a fix from victor
[10:36] <nik90> so just 1 more to go
[10:37] <popey> ok, installed it and re-ran clock app, set an alarm for th,fr,sa,sun and it's set correctly
[10:37] <popey> oh balls, not when I save
[10:38] <popey> only thu,fri,sat once saved
[10:38] <nik90> popey: yes!
[10:38] <nik90> popey: so EDS is again the culprit!
[10:38] <popey> ☻
[10:38] <popey> also, the app segfaults when i close it
[10:38] <nik90> yup again EDS's fault
[10:38] <popey> \o/
[10:39] <nik90> renato already has a fix for the crash
[10:39] <nik90> no idea when it will land as an update though
[10:39]  * nik90 goes to reply to didier's email
[10:55] <aquarius> kempe, I'd strongly advise you to look at u1db, though. It's a lot, lot easier :)
[10:55]  * randomcpp wants a real computer
[10:55] <aquarius> kempe, see http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2014/01/23/a-simple-u1db-example-for-ubuntu-sdk-apps/ and http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2014/01/23/using-u1db-in-listviews-in-ubuntu-sdk-apps/
[10:55] <aquarius> kempe, and http://wordchainapp.tumblr.com/post/60178716314/using-u1db-to-store-data-in-word-chain
[10:56] <kempe> aquarius,  yeah =) i will do that when i got this working :P
[11:02] <idebug> I got something wrong when i start ubuntu-emulator.
[11:02] <idebug> emulator: Initializing hardware OpenGLES emulation support signal: aborted (core dumped)
[11:03] <idebug> and.emulator: registered 'boot-properties' qemud service em libGL error: Couldn't dlopen libudev.so.1 or libudev.so.0, driver detection may be broken. emulator-arm: ../../../../src/loader/loader.c:129: asserted_dlsym: Assertion `result' failed.
[11:04] <idebug> Can somebody give me some suggestions?
[11:07] <aquarius> popey, do I need to be on trusty to run the emulator?
[11:07] <popey> i dont know aquarius i am on trusty
[11:07] <aquarius> fair enough :)
[11:09] <nik90> aquarius: you can run it on saucy
[11:09] <nik90> aquarius: I had it running on saucy perfectly. In fact after the upgrade to trusty, I can no longer run it due to some core dump issue :P
[11:09] <aquarius> nik90, ah, cool. Where do I get it from? :)
[11:09] <nik90> will talk to bzoltan on monday about this
[11:10] <nik90> aquarius: if you have the PPA, it should already be installed on your system.
[11:10] <nik90> check the Devices -> Emulator tab
[11:10] <aquarius> ooh, so it is!
[11:10] <aquarius> the instructions say "install the ubuntu-emulator package in trusty" :)
[11:10] <nik90> :)
[11:11] <nik90> http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/sdk/tutorials/using-the-ubuntu-emulator/
[11:11] <bzoltan> nik90: aquarius: what's up folks... anything i can do for you?
[11:11] <nik90> bzoltan: when I run the ubuntu emulator on trusty, I am getting a crash (core dumped)
[11:12] <bzoltan> aquarius: the emulator should work on saucy .. it is just horrible slow to boot and unpredictable
[11:12] <aquarius> ah
[11:12] <bzoltan> nik90:  you are not the only one
[11:12] <aquarius> so what you're saying is "don't run the emulator on saucy" :)
[11:12] <nik90> aquarius, bzoltan:
[11:12] <bzoltan> aquarius: I do not say that :D I say that sometimes it does not boot and if it boots it takes ages
[11:13] <aquarius> is the x86 emulator released yet, or is it still arm emulation?
[11:14] <aquarius> popey, btw, my 404 page is meant to look like this: http://pasteboard.co/12EFtXIY.png
[11:16] <aquarius> hrm. I have ~/.local/share/ubuntu-emulator but it's owned by root
[11:16] <aquarius> what's that all about?
[11:16] <aquarius> should I just delete that>?
[11:16] <popey> aquarius: uh
[11:17] <nik90> aquarius: no
[11:17] <nik90> aquarius: I had that issue
[11:17] <nik90> aquarius: just chown it to your user account
[11:17] <nik90> aquarius: then you should be able to create emulators in that folder
[11:17] <popey> aquarius: you sure about that image?
[11:17] <nik90> dont ask me why it is owned by root
[11:17] <aquarius> popey, yep. What's wrong with it?
[11:17] <popey> aquarius: http://imgur.com/XJaZvD4
[11:18] <aquarius> popey, hm, maybe it didn't upload right
[11:18] <nik90> aquarius: nope, the link worked for me
[11:18] <nik90> :P
[11:19] <nik90> popey: http://imgur.com/cyIHMjR
[11:19] <aquarius> weird
[11:19] <aquarius> anyway, nik90's image is OK :)
[11:19] <nik90> inception :)
[11:19] <popey> heh
[11:20] <nik90> aquarius: it is a known fact...software doesn't behave well with popey (take a look all the bugs he has reported)
[11:20] <popey> Indeed, software hates me
[11:20] <popey>  (ʘ∇ʘ)ク 彡 ┻━┻
[11:20] <aquarius> it is useful to have someone who breaks stuff just by standing near it available for testing ;)
[11:20] <nik90> :)
[11:20] <aquarius> popey, anyway, now you can see the 3d-ness -- is that what it looks like for you?
[11:21] <popey> url?
[11:21] <popey> no
[11:21] <aquarius> http://imgur.com/cyIHMjR
[11:21] <popey> oh, yes
[11:21] <popey> it takes a while
[11:21] <aquarius> that's what it's supposed to look like :)
[11:22] <aquarius> yeah, it shows up flat first, and then flips
[11:22] <aquarius> you're supposed to go: ooooooo, 3d :)
[11:22]  * popey goes "oooooo, 3d" as commanded
[11:22] <aquarius> You are, I feel, less impressed than you were supposed to be :)
[11:27]  * aquarius starts the emulator
[11:28] <aquarius> how can I know if it's doing anything? It's just an Edge with a black screen at the moment
[11:28] <aquarius> ah, the Log tab is quite chatty
[11:28] <aquarius> I see what bzoltan means about it taking a long time to start up, now
[11:29] <aquarius> this is using qemu to be an arm emulator, right? Can I run the x86 emulator, or is it not out yet?
[11:29] <nik90> I dont think x86 emulator is out yet
[11:29] <nik90> only the first time is slow
[11:29] <aquarius> ah, OK
[11:30] <nik90> subsequent starts are better
[11:30] <popey> there is a demo of the x86 one
[11:30] <nik90> popey: If you have an alarm that rings only during weekday, would you recommend it says "Every weekday" or "Every Mon, Tue, wed...Fri"
[11:30] <popey> https://plus.google.com/u/0/100264483712374857174/posts/1u7HSYjF2He
[11:31] <popey> weekday imo
[11:31] <nik90> popey: also what should it say for the weekend?
[11:31] <popey> "Weekends only"
[11:31] <nik90> popey: awesome
[11:31] <aquarius> Google Calendar says "Every weekday (Monday to Friday)"
[11:31] <bzoltan> aquarius: the x86 image is coming in days ... or weeks
[11:33] <aquarius> iOS doesn't let you make an every weekday alarm in one push: you just get "every monday, every tuesday, every wednesday, ..." as separate options and have to tick five of them
[11:33] <popey> yes
[11:33] <aquarius> bzoltan, ah, OK. That'll be cool when it happens :)
[11:33] <popey> but when it displays it it doesn't list the days does it
[11:34] <nik90> okay
[11:34] <aquarius> interestingly, if you have ticked MTWTF, it says "Alarm, weekdays" when displaying that alarm
[11:34] <aquarius> so iOS knows that MTWTF are the weekdays, but it won't let you set a weekdays alarm with one tick
[11:34] <nik90> yeah it would be cool to have an option that ticks all weekdays or weekends..
[11:35] <aquarius> hrm! the emulator Log tab now has "ubuntu-phablet login:" at the end of it ;)
[11:35] <aquarius> and the displayed emulator screen is black
[11:35] <popey> yeah, leave it
[11:35] <aquarius> is this it not working?
[11:35] <popey> be patient
[11:35] <aquarius> oh, it hasn't finished starting up yet? ok
[11:35] <popey> if you've already been patient, be more patient
[11:35] <nik90> wait it will continue logging in etc
[11:35] <nik90> it is working
[11:36] <aquarius> some sort of "not ready yet" thingy would be nice :)
[11:36] <nik90> well the x86 emulator will be much faster
[11:36] <popey> "File a bug" ☻
[11:36] <nik90> so why work on a temp "not ready yet" thing
[11:37] <aquarius> popey, I'm trying to, but I can't work out where
[11:37] <aquarius> ubuntu-bug doesn't work for things in PPAs :(
[11:37] <popey> you on trusty?
[11:37] <aquarius> saucy
[11:37] <nik90> aquarius: which is why you upgrade to trusty :P
[11:37] <popey> ubuntu-emulator package, surely?
[11:37] <nik90> I asked the same question and got that response :D
[11:38] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools
[11:38] <popey> ?
[11:38] <aquarius> https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/phablet-tools/ubuntu-emulator, if I say Bugs, says "Phablet Tools must be configured in order for Launchpad to forward bugs to the project's developers."
[11:39] <popey> its in the repo
[11:39] <popey> so  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools
[11:39] <aquarius> ok.
[11:39] <aquarius> how confusing :(
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[11:40] <popey> ☻
[11:41] <aquarius> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1286513 filed.
[11:41] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1286513 in phablet-tools (Ubuntu) "No indication that the emulator is still starting up" [Undecided,New]
[11:42]  * aquarius continues to be patient
[11:42] <aquarius> I am not good at this :)
[11:44] <bzoltan> aquarius:  practice my friend, practice :D
[11:45]  * aquarius tries looking away from the emulator and then quickly looking back to see if it changed
[11:47] <bzoltan> aquarius: our SDK is supersmart ... you can ask on the IRC if your emulator is up or not.
[11:47] <bzoltan> aquarius: I can tell you that not yet
[11:48] <ogra_> aquarius, the x86 emulator is nearly there ... that runs a lot faster ... patience :)
[11:53] <popey> yeah, the x86 one is stupid fast compared to the arm one
[11:54] <popey> (or glass-half-empty, the arm one is stupid-slow)
[11:57] <aquarius> you guys weren't kidding when you said it takes a long time. That's now half an hour and it still ain't started yet :)
[12:01] <bzoltan> aquarius: and it is not impossible that it is stuck
[12:02] <aquarius> how can I know?
[12:03] <bzoltan> aquarius:  one can not know that ...
[12:04] <bzoltan> aquarius: try to check with adb if it become available ... and kill it after few hours
[12:18] <aquarius> adb devices shows nothing :)
[12:31] <randomcpp> how can I turn off haptic feedback?
[12:33] <popey> good question, probably a dconf setting
[12:35] <encompass> I get the following error and I am confused about it. "Cannot create cordova object" is this something I need to worry about? I am making an html5 app
[12:38] <encompass> Does QT creator have zen coding support?
[12:45] <encompass> I also get this error: Xlib:  extension "NV-GLX" missing on display ":0". When trying to run the camera tutorial
[12:47] <bzoltan> aquarius:  the other good hint is to startthe emulator from terminal and see what it puts there ... the QtC eats all th eoutput
[12:48] <aquarius> bzoltan, how do I do that?
[12:48] <encompass> sigh. :) https://melodigram.com/gram/W8zcew3P7L4xxF6rKDHtMP
[12:49] <encompass> sigh. :) http://melodigram.com/gram/W8zcew3P7L4xxF6rKDHtMP
[12:50] <aquarius> ah, ubuntu-emulator --help is helpful :)
[12:56] <aquarius> excellent. running the emulator from the terminal works.
[12:58] <encompass> aquarius: is this an emulator for just ubuntu touch so we can run our apps in it?
[12:58] <aquarius> encompass, yep. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator
[12:59] <justCarakas> is there a unified way to clear an input field ?
[12:59] <aquarius> it's being worked on quite heavily at the moment -- in particular, at the moment it emulates arm (which you need, if you are compiling a binary for your app, of course) but there's an x86 one on the way which should be way, way fast because it doesn't need to emulate :)
[13:00] <aquarius> justCarakas, myinputfield.text = ""
[13:00] <justCarakas> I meen like a button or something
[13:00] <encompass> aquarius: thanks
[13:01] <aquarius> justCarakas, if you're using Ubuntu.COmponents, then a TextField should automatically have a "clear" button on the right hand side of it
[13:02] <justCarakas> Im writing an HTML5 app and I don't realy see it there
[13:03] <aquarius> justCarakas, ah. HTML5 apps may not have a clear button
[13:03] <aquarius> justCarakas, sorry, I didn't realise you were using HTML5 rather than QML.
[13:03] <justCarakas> aquarius, okidoki, so I can use a normal button for that ?
[13:04] <aquarius> justCarakas, yeah, you can just add a normal button to clear it
[13:04] <justCarakas> aquarius, no problem, I forgot to mention it :)
[13:04] <aquarius> or with some semi-clever CSS, you can make it look like the button's inside the field
[13:04] <justCarakas> aquarius, thx :)
[13:05] <aquarius> justCarakas, http://jsbin.com/jegeyuti/1/edit or similar.
[13:05] <aquarius> you'll want to tweak the look of it, and I just stole that from a stackoverflow question, but it's relatively easy to do :)
[13:07] <justCarakas> aquarius, thx :)
[13:28] <encompass> Does the html5 camera tutorial work with the standard F5(run) button?
[15:16] <JoshStrobl> Hey guys, is there a way to get the Ubuntu "SDK" (Qt Creator + plugins) on other Linux distributions, more specifically Arch (checked AUR and didn't see anything) or will I need to jump over to Ubuntu (no issues with that, just need to know). Going to be participating in the Ubuntu App Developer Showdown.
[15:17] <aquarius> JoshStrobl, you'll certainly find it easiest to get it on Ubuntu. I don't think anyone's done much work making it available on Linux distributions -- it's certainly possible to do, but I think if you get into that you'll likely be helping to forge that ground. That's a good thing to do, big-picture-wise, but you may want to make apps rather than port the SDK :)
[15:19] <JoshStrobl> Thanks for letting me know aquarius. I'm not going to dedicate the time to porting the SDK, since I want to be able to spend the time developing the backend infrastructure (APIs and such) that'll be utilized by the Ubuntu Touch App. I think it'd be faster for me to switch from Arch to Ubuntu.
[15:20] <aquarius> JoshStrobl, I'd agree with that assessment, I think :)
[15:23] <JoshStrobl> Works out anyways since I was planning on going with 14.04 on launch and currently maintain an Ubuntu Juju Charm for my open source DB system. The tools are simply more easily available and accessible on Ubuntu.
[15:23] <aquarius> *nod*
[15:24] <aquarius> I shall upgrade to 14.04 when it's released, too
[15:24] <JoshStrobl> Have a great day aquarius, I shall be off to back up files on Arch and jump to Ubuntu.
[15:24] <JoshStrobl> Good man *high fives aquarius*
[15:24] <aquarius> JoshStrobl, have fun -- welcome to the show that never ends :)
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[15:44] <randomcpp> can any autopilot expert help me a second?
[16:05] <randomcpp> how can I select a page instead of a tab?
[16:05] <randomcpp> In my mainView I have a PageStack { Tabs { Tab {} Tab {} ...}}
[16:12] <randomcpp> nik90, Flashback is awesome!!
[16:36] <randomcpp> ok solved
[16:39] <nik90> randomcpp: thnx :)
[16:39] <randomcpp> it's my favorite app now!
[16:43] <randomcpp> nik90, I'm writing autopilot tests for saucybacon finally :D
[16:43] <nik90> :D
[16:45] <randomcpp> do you know how to wait until a component shows up? (for example a result of a search) and then select it?
[16:45] <nik90> randomcpp: you can wait for the the listview count to be more than a certain number perhaps?
[16:46] <randomcpp> yeah exactly
[16:46] <nik90> randomcpp: in autopilot you do that by using self.assertThat(.... Eventually(Equals(count + 10)))
[16:46] <nik90> Eventually will wait until the condition is met for a few seconds
[16:46] <randomcpp> ok thank you!
[16:47] <nik90> check out the clock app ap tests when you get stuck
[16:47] <nik90> we did a massive cleanup and not it is up to the standards of the QA team
[16:47] <nik90> s/not/now
[17:08] <carakas> is localstorage sandboxed per app ?
[17:09] <nik90> carakas: yes
[17:26] <popey> It certainly gets nicely busy here on the weekends
[17:30] <vishal> vicky
[19:05] <encompass> When I try to run the camera html5 tutorial I get the following: Invalid message received: {"messageType":"callPluginFunction","plugin":"com.cordova.Device","func":"getInfo","params":[2,3]}
[19:05] <encompass> Any ideas into this?
[19:05] <encompass> The camera never shows.
[19:47] <asdffdsa> When I'm using an OptionSelector with a ListModel delegate, is there a way to access a property of the selected ListItem?
[19:51] <asdffdsa> My ListModel's ListElement has a variable named "filename" that represents the path to a music file.  When I press a button I would like to have QtMultimedia play whatever file is selected in the OptionSelector
[19:54] <asdffdsa> I'm currently using "sound.Source = soundChoice.selected.filename", but that's not right.  I suspect that there's a QML way to do this that I just haven't thought of
[20:31] <justcarakas> Im having some problems with Lists in an HTML5 app. UI.list("#locations").setHeader("Recente locaties"); somehow this doesn't work does anyone got an idea why ? I'm not getting errors
[20:43] <asdffdsa> justcarakas: There hasn't been any activity here for the last hour, just FYI.  I suspect it's because it's nighttime in Europe.
[20:48] <justcarakas> okey, I found out why, there is a fault in the function. I have a fix for it how can I pass that fix on ?
[20:49] <asdffdsa> justcarakas: no idea.  Good luck though!
[21:12] <asdffdsa> To rephrase my problem: I want my QTMultimedia Audio component to have it's source be whatever element is selected in an OptionSelector that uses an OptionSelectorDelegate.
[21:13] <asdffdsa> My current solution is "source: optionselector.selectedindex.filename" does not work.
[21:41] <snipes> Hey i'm trying to run through the ubuntu dev CurrencyConverter tutorial.  I had that issue where the ubuntu template wasn't showing up and had to tell qt creator where the qmake file was.  Now I am just trying to run the copy and pasted qml, but build->run is blacked out and I'm not sure why.. Any ideas?
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[23:22] <rpadovani> How can I use a XmlListModel in a OptionSelector?
[23:24] <rpadovani> nevermind, found it