[07:32] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:37] <Kilos> morning all
[07:39] <magespawn> good morning all
[07:39] <Kilos> gi mage liamT 
[07:39] <Kilos> hi as well
[07:40] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:40] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[07:40] <magespawn> early morning fingers
[07:40] <Kilos> i dunno what it is but it not working good
[07:47] <theblazehen> hey Kilos magespawn 
[07:48] <magespawn> hi theblazehen 
[07:53] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[08:06] <magespawn> have you guys seen this http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ ?
[08:06] <magespawn> and this as an add on https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.htc.ptg ?
[08:17] <Kilos> ho deegee__ drussel died?
[10:08] <magespawn> hey all 
[10:09] <theblazehen> wb magespawn 
[10:10] <magespawn> mmm the power tripped
[10:12] <theblazehen> magespawn, yeah I've heard of BOINC.
[10:13] <theblazehen> Heh, I'd rather have a good GPU than 1000 smartphones...
[10:24] <magespawn> but an interesting idea
[10:25] <magespawn> basically a botnet
[10:25] <magespawn> opt in
[10:29] <theblazehen> yeah
[12:12] <charl_> good afternoon
[12:12] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[12:12]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[12:12] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[12:13] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[12:16] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[12:23] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[12:23] <Maaz> charl_: Okay :-)
[13:58] <liamT> \join #emacs
[13:59] <Kilos> \join #emacs
[13:59] <liamT> bah, wrong window
[13:59] <Kilos> not forward slash
[13:59] <theblazehen> liamT, Kilos ?
[13:59] <Kilos> haha
[13:59] <theblazehen> no, use forward slash
[13:59] <liamT> jam i always get the slashes mixed up
[13:59] <Kilos> lol
[14:00] <theblazehen> liamT, how is emacs?
[14:00] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[14:00] <theblazehen> I'm a vim guy myself
[14:00] <theblazehen> hi Kilos 
[14:00] <charl_> same here
[14:01] <liamT> i thought seeing as emacs has been around for 30 years, it's probably worthwhile learning
[14:01] <theblazehen> liamT, ah. Tried vim?
[14:01] <liamT> i do use vim
[14:01] <theblazehen> I highly recommend it
[14:01] <theblazehen> kk
[14:01] <charl_> liamT: why move to emacs then ?
[14:02] <charl_> unhappy with vim?
[14:02] <liamT> i don't have an answer for you, thought I would try it out
[14:02] <charl_> lol ok
[14:03] <liamT> anyone use the Jedi autocompletion for Python in vim ?
[14:06] <charl_> this one? interesting no i have not tried it http://jedi.jedidjah.ch/en/latest/
[14:07] <charl_> i was looking at this one the other day http://eclim.org/
[14:12] <liamT> yes ,that one, having one hell of a time getting it to work with a python virtualenv
[14:12] <liamT> yes ,that one, having one hell of a time getting it to work with a python virtualenv
[14:12] <liamT> sorry
[14:12] <charl_> ah, i don't really use virtualenv much anymore, i just create a completely separate virtual machine
[14:13] <charl_> virtualenv is a fantastic idea but in practice it doesn't always work that well
[14:13] <charl_> but i want to try eclim in the next week
[14:13] <charl_> because right now at work we are stuck using eclipse and i really hate it
[14:13] <charl_> the other thing we use is jdeveloper but that is a disaster of a completely different kind
[14:13] <charl_> talking about oracle bloatware... insane
[14:14] <charl_> and it's about as stable as everything else java-related you can expect from oracle
[14:20] <charl_> wb theblazehen 
[14:20] <theblazehen> ty ChanServ 
[14:20] <theblazehen> charl*
[14:28] <Private_User> afternoon all
[14:29] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[14:29] <Private_User> hey Kilos
[15:17] <charl_> hi Private_User 
[15:17] <charl_> lisstening to security now for the first time in over two years
[15:18] <Private_User> hey charl_
[15:18] <charl_> it's a good show, it's just that it is so long (two hours)
[15:18] <Private_User> security?
[15:18] <charl_> http://twit.tv/sn
[15:20] <charl_> some excellent shows and steve gibson takes a huge amount of time to explain everything in exact detail
[15:20] <charl_> that's why the show is so long but it also makes the show very good
[15:20] <charl_> but i love listening to his shows, i need to make some time for it
[15:22] <Private_User> ok gotcha unfortunately I don't have uncapped internet how much of data does it use at a time?
[15:22] <Kilos> 2 hours is many megs
[15:23] <Kilos> a gig maybe
[15:23] <charl_> i have no idea Private_User 
[15:23] <charl_> i guess it depends on which quality you watch it at
[15:23] <charl_> but if you have very restrictive internet i would not suggest using iptv
[15:24] <charl_> maybe try the audio-only version?
[15:24] <Private_User> ok but is the security good enough to learn all the basics that one needs to know about IT security?
[15:24] <charl_> eh it's announcements about what happened in the last week
[15:24] <charl_> it is not noob school
[15:24] <charl_> but when you listen to stuff you pick things up as you go along and you can always google what you don't understand
[15:24] <Private_User> ah thought it was like a show discussing security issues
[15:25] <charl_> yes that is exactly what it is
[15:25] <Private_User> oh ok then sounds good
[15:25] <charl_> announcements and discussions about what is hot topics right now
[15:25] <Private_User> only issue I have is the capped internet
[15:25] <charl_> in belgium they have that too, they get limited to 300 or so GB per month
[15:26] <charl_> in NL we are fortunate not to have that
[15:26] <charl_> so i have no idea how much i download in a month but it probably exceeds that some months
[15:27] <Private_User> but 300GB per month compare to me getting 200GB for 12 months once off with 50GB to use during peak time and 150GB to use between 00:00 and 06:00
[15:27] <charl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_Belgium#Bandwidth_and_transfer_limits
[15:27] <charl_> Download speeds in Brussels are now reaching a good level,[when?] however, the majority of Belgians have bandwidth caps in place to limit the amount of data users can transfer through their connection.
[15:27] <charl_> Typically these are between 5GB/month and 1000GB/month and show that the competition in this market has not been strong enough to drive out these practices which have vanished in other western and eastern European countries.
[15:27] <Private_User> but my friend has a 1MB line uncapped but its shaped
[15:28] <charl_> shaped?
[15:28] <charl_> what, round shaped or square shaped?
[15:28] <Private_User> but he is still able to do around 5GB downloads per day
[15:28] <Private_User> LOL @ charl_
[15:28] <charl_> strange, i didn't realise internet has a shape
[15:28] <Private_User> shaped as in some of the services and ports are throttled
[15:29] <charl_> wait lemme google it
[15:29] <Private_User> so depending on the time of day and service provider certain tasks take priority over others
[15:29] <Private_User> like for example you may get quick speeds browsing and download emails
[15:29] <Private_User> but extremely sloe for downloading
[15:29] <charl_> oh i understand it now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_shaping
[15:30] <Private_User> *low
[15:30] <charl_> Traffic shaping (also known as "packet shaping") is a computer network traffic management technique which delays some or all datagrams to bring them into compliance with a desired traffic profile.[1][2] Traffic shaping is a form of rate limiting.
[15:30] <Private_User> **slow
[15:30] <charl_> Traffic shaping is used to optimize or guarantee performance, improve latency, and/or increase usable bandwidth for some kinds of packets by delaying other kinds.
[15:30] <charl_> like real-time protocols like voip is prioritised above bittorrent, for example
[15:31] <Private_User> yep thats it but I wish it were uncapped and unshaped
[15:31] <Private_User> I like the freedom to do what ever I want on the net
[15:31] <Private_User> and get equal performance speed wise
[15:32] <charl_> ah net neutrality you mean
[15:32] <charl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality
[15:32] <charl_> Net neutrality (also network neutrality or Internet neutrality) is the principle that Internet service providers and governments should treat all data on the Internet equally, not discriminating or charging differentially by user, content, site, platform, application, type of attached equipment, and modes of communication.
[15:33] <Kilos> hi not_found 
[15:33] <not_found> hey uncle Kilos and all... man I couldn't get unto freenode yesterday at all :/
[15:34] <Kilos> wow
[15:34] <not_found> kept timing out, not connecting at all... very frustrating
[15:35] <Kilos> i had to use irc.freenode.net because chat.freenode.net had been crashed
[15:35] <not_found> cant get any of the sport sites to load to show me the rugby score but was able to open two different betting sites to get it >.<
[15:35] <Private_User> yeah here for uncapped can be very expensive if you want uncapped and unshaped at really fast line
[15:35] <not_found> *irony*
[15:35] <Private_User> What the Hek
[15:36] <Kilos> bulls/lions 13/7
[15:36] <charl_> bah not_found talking about net neutrality ...
[15:36] <not_found> oxymoron?
[15:36] <not_found> got the score uncle Kilos :) thanks
[15:36] <charl_> lol for you yes
[15:36] <charl_> not_found: i use kornbluth.freenode.net and i haven't once had any problems connecting
[15:37] <charl_> despite the ddos
[15:37] <Private_User> hi not_found
[15:37] <not_found> o/ Private_User 
[15:38] <Private_User> hmm.. no issues connecting despite the ddos, could it be that he is the one issuing the attacks or maybe works for freenode
[15:38] <not_found> with some of the things already being put in place in US and still coming with all the secret trade agreements it would seem the net as we know it is going to fade fast... will have to see if the rest of the world respond appropriately to stop it 
[15:38] <Private_User> lol
[15:39] <Private_User> man today I am slow
[15:40] <charl_> Private_User: ??? kornbluth is the german server
[15:40] <Private_User> ok, no was just pulling your leg charl_
[15:41] <charl_> not_found: yes that's true, sopa and pipa got overturned though so it's not too late
[15:41] <charl_> not_found: but i am also worrying about these secret trade agreements
[15:42] <not_found> if there is one thing that the latest US Govt. has shown with the Prism leaks it is they will do what they want and how they want... the law matters very little... look at the Netflix now having to pay addiditonal to ISP's not to get throttled... and the Warner "monopoly" being created there... not good 
[15:43] <charl_> i don't know about nexflix but that sounds bad
[15:43] <charl_> this new monopoly is indeed not good
[15:43] <not_found> it comes down to ISP's being able to dictate what, when, how and the price...
[15:44] <charl_> in NL upc and ziggo are now also merging but they serve different regions, they already had a monopoly
[15:44] <not_found> masters of the universe
[15:44] <charl_> i'm hoping that we get glass fibre in my region soon so i am no longer dependent off cable
[15:45] <charl_> agreed not_found 
[15:46] <charl_> in NL netflix HD only works on certain providers which i also think is strange
[15:48] <charl_> sorry, they stopped that http://tweakers.net/nieuws/91548/netflix-rolt-hogere-bandbreedte-uit-naar-alle-gebruikers.html
[15:48] <charl_> that's good news
[15:49] <charl_> they used to have the so-called "super hd" only for providers that peer directly with netflix
[15:49] <charl_> but they stopped that and are now streaming equally to everybody
[15:49] <Private_User> btw wanted to know, you guys live in NL or are originally from NL
[15:49] <Private_User> just curious
[15:49] <not_found> I do hope that the influence of the US doesn't break Europe's resolve cause if they start to follow the US's way we are all screwed :/
[15:50]  * not_found lives in the desert but comes from ZA land
[15:50] <Private_User> ok cool stuff
[15:51] <Private_User> but have you notice the US is always quick to point fingers at China for the internet usage policies
[15:51] <Private_User> *their
[15:52] <charl_> not_found: http://euobserver.com/institutional/115888
[15:53] <not_found> just look at the hypocrisy of the whole Snowden fiasco and/or Kim Dotcom to see just how bad it is in the US/UK  
[15:53] <not_found> charl_  Access Denied (policy_denied)   Your system policy has denied access to the requested URL.  For assistance, contact your network support team.
[15:53] <charl_> not_found: your system is a complete joke :(
[15:53] <charl_> not_found: the title "
[15:53] <charl_> 'Pirates' to run joint campaign in next EU elections"
[15:54] <Kilos> charl_ you were asked a question
[15:54] <charl_> Kilos: which one?
[15:54] <Kilos> lol
[15:54] <charl_> i am being asked a bunch of questions here :) it feels like an interrogation
[15:54] <charl_> "no i did not do it... whatever it is"
 btw wanted to know, you guys live in NL or are originally from NL
[15:55] <charl_> Private_User: i live in NL, i grew up in ZA
[15:55] <Kilos> you okes need to slow down
[15:55] <Private_User> lol
[15:55] <Private_User> thanks charl_ 
[16:03] <charl_> whow this is hilarious
[16:03] <charl_> telegram got 8 million downloads after facebook bought whatsapp
[16:04] <Private_User> lol
[16:04] <Private_User> where did you read that?
[16:04] <charl_> just heard it now on SN
[16:04] <Private_User> ah ok
[16:05] <charl_> http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/24/telegram-saw-8m-downloads-after-whatsapp-got-acquired/
[16:06] <not_found> there is a telegraph group consisting of some members of this forum too now :p
[16:06] <not_found> it has some nice features
[16:10] <charl_> steve's take is great once again
[16:10] <charl_> telegram's BS about secure and all
[16:11] <charl_> i must make time very week for this show, it's just too good to miss
[16:14] <Private_User> so how come nobody claimed the 200k reward yet?
[16:25] <charl_> they just dumped all over telegram
[16:26] <charl_> http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/telegram-crypto-challenge/
[16:41] <charl_> whow ! netflix accounts for 1/3 of traffic in the usa
[16:41] <charl_> in the evening
[17:05] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[17:10] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[17:10] <Kilos> its rining
[17:10] <Kilos> raining
[17:10] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos 
[17:11] <kbmonkey> you saw me become un-away
[17:11] <kbmonkey> hawk-eyes
[17:11] <Kilos> haha
[17:47] <charl_> hi Golynx 
[17:47] <charl_> hi kbmonkey 
[17:49] <charl_> whow isp politics in the usa is completely crazy
[17:49] <charl_> it's all about upload-download ratios
[17:49] <charl_> i wonder if it's the same in the rest of the world
[17:49] <charl_> Symmetria: you alive?
[17:55] <Golynx> hi charl_
[17:56] <Golynx> dunno much about that, but sounds like a roller coaster there
[17:57] <kbmonkey> hello charl_ , yes I was not aware of that either. I thought it is all or nothing in the US
[17:57]  * Golynx wish he could be like Symmetria someday :)
[17:57] <Golynx> hi kbmonkey
[17:57] <kbmonkey> Golynx, 0/
[17:58] <kbmonkey> the battery light on the netbook flashes red when fully charged on AC. :/
[17:59] <charl_> i want to puke
[17:59] <charl_> this is absolutely disgusting
[17:59] <charl_> the crazy politics between netflix, cogent, comcast and verizon
[17:59] <charl_> comcast and verizon are seriously "aggressive" businesses
[18:00] <charl_> they remind me or oracle and microsoft
[18:00] <charl_> *of
[18:01] <kbmonkey> itis true what they say about 10% of the population owns 90% of the money. those companies are probably shared by the same people insome way :/
[18:01] <kbmonkey> hmm, spacebar failing. shame poor netbook is old. my precioussss.
[18:01] <charl_> it's easy to follow the money trail, you just walk wherever it stinks
[18:02] <charl_> follow the biggest stench and you'll walk right in on the money
[18:02] <kbmonkey> yup
[18:02] <charl_> ok now they are finally talking about mt gox
[18:02] <kbmonkey> one of our clients is like that, makes me sick how much money is there, and most of it ill gotten 
[18:03] <theblazehen> kbmonkey, whaich netbook? Graphics driver?
[18:03] <Golynx> my laptop light flashed blue now at full battery charge 
[18:04] <Golynx> maybe something wrong there kbmonkey
[18:05] <charl_> whow http://blockchain.info/ is fascinating indeed
[18:05] <charl_> this is insane
[18:05] <Golynx> usually when my foot itches its my body telling me that a mosquito bit me me there
[18:05] <charl_> people are exchanging thousands of bitcoins
[18:07] <Golynx> s/me/" "/
[18:07] <charl_> Golynx: then ou replace the first me, you want to replace the second me
[18:07] <charl_> :)
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[18:08] <Golynx> ah thanks charl_ :)
[18:08] <kbmonkey> the msi U100 theblazehen, no graphics driver but X
[18:08] <Golynx> ai, u'm on opera not working
[18:09] <theblazehen> kbmonkey, xf86-video-fbdev? xf86-video-modesetting? xf86-video-vesa?
[18:10] <kbmonkey> vesa theblazehen I think, I forgot how to check - let me find out
[18:10] <theblazehen> kk, ty
[18:16] <magespawn> Good evening all
[18:16] <Golynx> hey magespawn
[18:16] <magespawn> Hey, Kilos must be asleep at the keyboard
[18:17] <kbmonkey> hi magespawn 
[18:17] <magespawn> Hi kbmonkey 
[18:17] <theblazehen> hey magespawn 
[18:17] <magespawn> Long time
[18:17] <theblazehen> hey Golynx 
[18:18] <Golynx> hey theblazehen
[18:18] <kbmonkey> theblazehen, I see vesa drivers installed, 
[18:18] <theblazehen> kbmonkey, kk, ty
[18:18] <kbmonkey> long time indeed magespawn 
[18:18] <magespawn> Hi theblazehen , as an addon on tonthe earlier conversation i am thinking about setting up a Boinc pc
[18:18] <theblazehen> What's the resoution? My vesa wont work with 1024x600, but it's not a big deal
[18:18] <theblazehen> magespawn, nice
[18:18] <magespawn> kbmonkey: been buys?
[18:19] <magespawn> Busy?
[18:19] <theblazehen> BTW you know the ripple currency? If you run boinc on world community grid, you get free XRP
[18:19] <kbmonkey> busy and occupied
[18:19] <magespawn> No never heard of it
[18:20] <kbmonkey> what is ripple currency?
[18:20] <theblazehen> kbmonkey, basically similar to BTC but totally different code
[18:20] <theblazehen> GOt a bad rep, was closed source in beginning
[18:21] <magespawn> open source now?
[18:21] <kbmonkey> ah got itthanks theblazehen !
[18:24] <magespawn> Looks like a plan, get rich from helping others, retire in a couple weeks time
[18:25] <magespawn> got to go charge, i might loose connection
[18:27] <magespawn> No still good
[18:30] <Kilos> haha
[18:30] <Kilos> yo AndChat|27729 
[18:30] <kbmonkey> watching Moon film, about power shortages on earth and mining energy on the moon
[18:31] <Kilos> you right magespawn 
[18:32] <Kilos> im gonna crash early guys
[18:32] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:32] <kbmonkey> right sir
[18:32] <kbmonkey> good night Kilos 
[18:33] <Kilos> night my monkey
[18:33] <kbmonkey> lol