| bluesabre | brainwash: yeah, I think that would be a nice value-add | 00:19 |
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| bluesabre | gotta go, bbl | 00:20 |
| jjfrv8 | knome, slickymaster, ochosi, others: proposed intro to the four icons in whisker: http://imagebin.org/296426 | 01:51 |
| jjfrv8 | and then the modified way to refer to Settings Manager througout the rest of the docs: http://imagebin.org/296427 | 01:51 |
| AussieDownUnder | pleia2, I have some photos of a folder full of ubuntu/xubuntu flyers on a table that I left to be handed out at a Permaculture group meeting this afternoon, I was supposed to attend but I injured myself & had to leave lol. | 03:07 |
| pleia2 | AussieDownUnder: doh! hope you get well soon | 03:08 |
| pleia2 | AussieDownUnder: feel free to send over some photos, I can share them | 03:09 |
| AussieDownUnder | pleia2, yep doh, thanks. Lesson learnt I'm not a Kangaroo & can't jump down shipping crates onto concrete. | 03:09 |
| pleia2 | haha! oh no :) | 03:10 |
| * pleia2 seeks dinner | 03:15 | |
| AussieDownUnder | I only just had lunch | 03:16 |
| AussieDownUnder | pleia2, check yol email yol | 03:22 |
| Noskcaj | ali1234, Is there an exact xfwm4 patch for us to use yet? | 08:14 |
| ali1234 | there is no patch to the source code required, only build options | 08:14 |
| ali1234 | just build it with -DMONITOR_ROOT_PIXMAP | 08:15 |
| Noskcaj | oh yep, i remember now | 08:15 |
| Noskcaj | Any other changes we should put with the merge? | 08:15 |
| ali1234 | hmm | 08:16 |
| ali1234 | i have a lot of patches but they're not really suitable for wide use | 08:16 |
| ali1234 | like bug 10631 | 08:17 |
| ubottu | bug 10631 in php4 (Debian) "php4: PHP4 couses apache and apache-ssl to crach on start with Bus error" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10631 | 08:17 |
| ali1234 | xfce bug 10631 | 08:17 |
| Unit193 | xfce 10631 | 08:17 |
| ubottu | xfce bug 10631 in Decorations "please support mwm hints completely" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10631 | 08:17 |
| ali1234 | xfce bug 10625 | 08:17 |
| ubottu | xfce bug 10625 in General "Gtk3 menus are constrained by struts from all monitors." [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10625 | 08:17 |
| Noskcaj | Are any safe/worth it for after feature freeze? | 08:18 |
| ali1234 | for +1 you mean? | 08:18 |
| Noskcaj | for me to add right now | 08:19 |
| ali1234 | well, not really | 08:19 |
| Noskcaj | Although at this rate it won't be sponsored till unicorn anyway | 08:19 |
| ali1234 | they're all safe in my opinion | 08:19 |
| ali1234 | but they're quite ugly | 08:19 |
| ali1234 | i've got some trivial patches in other components that really should go in though | 08:20 |
| ali1234 | some were applied upstream, some not | 08:20 |
| ali1234 | the gtk3 bookmarks one should go in | 08:20 |
| ali1234 | and the notification window fix | 08:20 |
| Unit193 | Thunar already got the bookmark patch. | 08:21 |
| ali1234 | really? upstream? | 08:21 |
| Unit193 | No, Xubuntu. | 08:21 |
| ali1234 | oh, well xfce-places-plugin needs an identical patch | 08:22 |
| * Noskcaj adds that to todo list | 08:22 | |
| ali1234 | the xfnotifyd patch went in upstream but there's no new release | 08:23 |
| * ochosi will be away for most of the weekend | 09:52 | |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: re:intro to whisker: looks nice, but you'll have to remove "switch users" as that's now identical to "lock screen" and hence won't be active/shown in whisker by default | 09:53 |
| ochosi | ali1234: why would you say the mwm patch is ugly? | 09:54 |
| ali1234 | the mwm patch isn't ugly... but it is large | 09:54 |
| ochosi | right | 09:54 |
| ali1234 | the struts patch is ugly | 09:54 |
| ochosi | that one would be a nice-to-have | 09:54 |
| ochosi | you could push the mwm patch to a user-repo on git.xfce | 09:54 |
| ali1234 | yeah i need to push all my work there | 09:55 |
| ali1234 | it's all on github | 09:55 |
| ochosi | that way hopefully more people check it out and also nick will review it | 09:55 |
| ali1234 | pushing it would give me an excuse to post it on the ML again | 09:55 |
| ochosi | exactly | 09:55 |
| ochosi | i'll try to give it some testing too | 09:55 |
| ochosi | that'll give me an excuse to reply to your post on the ML ;) | 09:55 |
| ali1234 | i've been using my stuff with your tabwin stuff merged since ages ago | 09:55 |
| ali1234 | no crashes or anything... but i never use alt-tab | 09:56 |
| ochosi | right :) | 09:56 |
| ochosi | the tabwin stuff seems to have a little oddity, sometimes when the mousecursor is outside the tabwin-window or not above a window-button there's still one highlighted | 09:56 |
| ali1234 | someone was asking about alt-tab the other day | 09:56 |
| ochosi | haven't been able to hunt that one down yet | 09:56 |
| ali1234 | wanted it to show the full window instead of the border | 09:57 |
| ochosi | odd | 09:57 |
| ali1234 | i said that would be hard due to window raising... | 09:57 |
| ali1234 | but i don't really know if there's another way | 09:57 |
| ali1234 | compositor could probably do it | 09:57 |
| ochosi | it's certainly a different workflow | 09:58 |
| ali1234 | no, it's the same | 09:58 |
| ochosi | then you practically don't need an alt-tab window anymore | 09:58 |
| ochosi | cause you're looking only at windows, not at the icons | 09:58 |
| ali1234 | well, kind of | 09:58 |
| ali1234 | i dunno... i don't even use it | 09:58 |
| ochosi | or: the icons are "in the way" and distracting | 09:58 |
| ochosi | :) | 09:58 |
| ochosi | how do you switch then? | 09:58 |
| ali1234 | yeah i suppose you could look at it that way | 09:58 |
| ali1234 | i click on the task bar | 09:58 |
| ochosi | yup, that makes sense too | 09:59 |
| ali1234 | i don't use keyboard short cuts at all | 09:59 |
| Unit193 | Win7 style! :P | 09:59 |
| ochosi | hehe | 09:59 |
| ochosi | for that it would be nice to get that "taskbar"-plugin into shape | 09:59 |
| ali1234 | i use them inside programs... like blender | 09:59 |
| ali1234 | i sent some fixes for it | 09:59 |
| ochosi | oh, you did? | 09:59 |
| ochosi | did they get merged/reviewed? | 09:59 |
| ali1234 | yes | 09:59 |
| ali1234 | i forgot about those actually | 09:59 |
| ochosi | cool, will have to check it out again i guess | 10:00 |
| ali1234 | for multimonitor, it used to lose windows | 10:00 |
| ali1234 | it put the window on the taskbar on the monitor containing the middle pixel of the window | 10:00 |
| ochosi | it definitely could use some theming improvements from what i remember from last using it | 10:00 |
| Unit193 | I like the idea of hacking xfwm to force old menus in gnome applications. :P | 10:00 |
| ali1234 | so if you moved it halfway off the screen it wouldn't show on any taskbar | 10:00 |
| ochosi | hah, fun bug | 10:00 |
| ali1234 | it has a bug with desktop reshaping too | 10:01 |
| ochosi | "great" way to hide your pr0n | 10:01 |
| ali1234 | if you just rearrange monitors normally then it works fine | 10:01 |
| ali1234 | but there's a bug in gnome-settings-daemon/unity-settings-daemon where if you have no monitors.xml it trashes your config and resets it to default | 10:01 |
| ali1234 | and for some reason the taskbar does not pick up this change | 10:01 |
| ochosi | right | 10:08 |
| ochosi | ali1234: btw, have you seen the way unity-greeter handles multimonitor setups? | 10:09 |
| ali1234 | yes | 10:09 |
| ochosi | (i.e. login-window follows mouse-focus) | 10:09 |
| ochosi | do you like that? | 10:09 |
| ochosi | i'm wondering what way we should go with the gtk-greeter | 10:09 |
| ali1234 | i do kind of like it | 10:09 |
| ochosi | currently we're not really doing anything | 10:09 |
| ali1234 | but i think i would prefer to have a login window on every monitor | 10:09 |
| ochosi | hm | 10:10 |
| ochosi | mirrored? | 10:10 |
| ochosi | or just another login-window? | 10:10 |
| ali1234 | just another window, if possible | 10:10 |
| ochosi | mhm | 10:10 |
| ali1234 | or follow the mouse if not | 10:10 |
| ali1234 | see bug 1283615 screenshot | 10:10 |
| ochosi | follow the mouse shouldn't be hard, as we can port that from unity-greeter | 10:10 |
| ubottu | bug 1283615 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "gnome-settings-daemon trashes monitor config" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1283615 | 10:10 |
| ali1234 | that's what can happen when it follows the mouse and you don't get the monitor layout right | 10:10 |
| ali1234 | unity-greeter is written in vala... | 10:11 |
| ali1234 | i have three monitors... the one you can't see is an oculus rift | 10:11 |
| ochosi | yeah i know | 10:11 |
| ali1234 | X decided that by default that monitor is in the middle | 10:12 |
| ochosi | that looks empty | 10:12 |
| ali1234 | so when unity ignores the xorg.conf it defaults to putting the mouse and login on the middle screen, which you can't see without strapping on a headset | 10:12 |
| ochosi | :/ | 10:14 |
| ali1234 | it's really gnome/unity-settings-daemon that does this anyway, not the greeter itself | 10:14 |
| ali1234 | unity-greeter is the only one that loads up the settings daemon though | 10:14 |
| ochosi | yeah, weird though, cause in general it seems to be an advantage to have such a daemon running in the greeter | 10:15 |
| ali1234 | you can disable modules of g-s-d, so you can disable the xrandr module and it won't mess the layout | 10:15 |
| ali1234 | it used to work this way, then someone decided to enable it | 10:15 |
| ali1234 | really though it should leave the config alone if it finds nothing at all | 10:15 |
| ochosi | mhm | 10:21 |
| ochosi | gotta run | 10:21 |
| astraljava | Unit193: I'm not sure, but searching the net based on your suggestion, ClientAliveCountMax might do the trick. Thanks, I'll fiddle with the configuration. | 12:02 |
| Unit193 | Sure. | 12:03 |
| elfy | bluesabre: there is no getting menulibre to do anymore than add a menu item in menuobre - not showing in any menus | 14:01 |
| bluesabre | elfy, releasing a slew of fixes today | 14:02 |
| elfy | given I can't get it to work - there's little chance of a testcase - nor getting anyone to test it | 14:02 |
| elfy | oh lol - ok - was just leaving that message for you when you were about :) | 14:02 |
| bluesabre | :) | 14:02 |
| bluesabre | yeah, I'll try to get the release out early-ish today and getting it to the repos asap | 14:03 |
| elfy | ok | 14:03 |
| elfy | I'll watch for it | 14:03 |
| bluesabre | thanks | 14:03 |
| jjfrv8 | bluesabre, since you're here, can you give me a sneek peek so I can start writing the docs paragraph? Will it only edit whiskermenu indirectly? | 14:04 |
| jjfrv8 | I mean will you see the old applications menu loaded in MenuLibre? | 14:04 |
| bluesabre | ok, so xfce4-applications-menu, whisker-menu, and menulibre all use xfce4-applications.menu | 14:05 |
| bluesabre | whisker menu has an option to show the menu hierarchy, but it is disabled by default | 14:06 |
| bluesabre | so instead, it shows the menus ordered by name | 14:06 |
| bluesabre | adding new applications should place them in their relative locations, but toplevel items (e.g. those not under a menu) will not be shown because of the way whisker-menu works | 14:07 |
| bluesabre | or if they are, they'll likely be under Other | 14:07 |
| bluesabre | New directories should be displayed by default | 14:07 |
| bluesabre | but yes, the old menu is what will be seen in menulibre, to directly answer your question | 14:08 |
| jjfrv8 | thanks, that clears a lot up. I've checked the 'show menu hierarchy' and it doesn't seem to change anything. | 14:09 |
| jjfrv8 | so, for example, there is no way for someone to put a settings manager launcher, like Mugshot, onto whisker, even as a favorite? | 14:11 |
| bluesabre | I believe that is the case, unless you make a new launcher with menulibre | 14:12 |
| bluesabre | I'd suggested focusing efforts elsewhere for now, and wait until the next menulibre release | 14:12 |
| bluesabre | *suggest | 14:12 |
| jjfrv8 | you mean a release after this weekend's? | 14:13 |
| bluesabre | no, the one that will be released this weekend | 14:13 |
| jjfrv8 | ah | 14:13 |
| jjfrv8 | will do. Thanks again. | 14:14 |
| slickymaster | afternoon guys | 16:08 |
| jjfrv8 | hey, slickymaster | 16:13 |
| slickymaster | jjfrv8: the paragraph with the four proposed icons looks great | 16:13 |
| slickymaster | :) and afternoon jjfrv8 | 16:13 |
| jjfrv8 | :) | 16:13 |
| elfy | hi slickymaster jjfrv8 | 16:13 |
| jjfrv8 | hey, elfy | 16:13 |
| slickymaster | I think we should really go forward with the icons addition | 16:14 |
| slickymaster | hey elfy | 16:14 |
| slickymaster | it seems I'm in england betwenn the fog and the rain :P | 16:14 |
| slickymaster | * between | 16:14 |
| jjfrv8 | it's still like mid-winter here on March 1 :( | 16:15 |
| jjfrv8 | slickymaster, did you see where I'll be holding off on the MenuLibre paragraph awaiting bluesabre's new release? | 16:16 |
| slickymaster | not yet jjfrv8, did you made a MP? | 16:17 |
| elfy | slickymaster: piskie went and added a bunch of other stuff to that mp | 16:17 |
| * elfy couidn't stop him | 16:17 | |
| slickymaster | elfy: I was going to ask about that | 16:17 |
| slickymaster | o you want me to review your revision 283? | 16:17 |
| elfy | :) at some point | 16:18 |
| slickymaster | will do | 16:18 |
| jjfrv8 | yes, I pushed a revision this morning, 150 | 16:18 |
| slickymaster | jjfrv8: going to pull it | 16:18 |
| jjfrv8 | it's got the panel config paragraph in it | 16:19 |
| slickymaster | jjfrv8: I'll drop a few lines there | 16:19 |
| jjfrv8 | hmmm, the new icons in the images folder didn't get pushed. don't know how to make that happen. | 16:27 |
| jjfrv8 | bah, got called into work. maybe back later. | 16:42 |
| brainwash | ali1234: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2208553 | 17:33 |
| schproodle | when apport reports a problem and then opens the browser with a login screen to launchpad, I am not sure what to do. | 17:44 |
| schproodle | Well, I logged in eh | 17:44 |
| bluesabre | ok, almost done with the menulibre update, will have it out later, bbl | 19:30 |
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