[00:19] brainwash: yeah, I think that would be a nice value-add [00:20] gotta go, bbl [01:51] knome, slickymaster, ochosi, others: proposed intro to the four icons in whisker: http://imagebin.org/296426 [01:51] and then the modified way to refer to Settings Manager througout the rest of the docs: http://imagebin.org/296427 [03:07] pleia2, I have some photos of a folder full of ubuntu/xubuntu flyers on a table that I left to be handed out at a Permaculture group meeting this afternoon, I was supposed to attend but I injured myself & had to leave lol. [03:08] AussieDownUnder: doh! hope you get well soon [03:09] AussieDownUnder: feel free to send over some photos, I can share them [03:09] pleia2, yep doh, thanks. Lesson learnt I'm not a Kangaroo & can't jump down shipping crates onto concrete. [03:10] haha! oh no :) [03:15] * pleia2 seeks dinner [03:16] I only just had lunch [03:22] pleia2, check yol email yol [08:14] ali1234, Is there an exact xfwm4 patch for us to use yet? [08:14] there is no patch to the source code required, only build options [08:15] just build it with -DMONITOR_ROOT_PIXMAP [08:15] oh yep, i remember now [08:15] Any other changes we should put with the merge? [08:16] hmm [08:16] i have a lot of patches but they're not really suitable for wide use [08:17] like bug 10631 [08:17] bug 10631 in php4 (Debian) "php4: PHP4 couses apache and apache-ssl to crach on start with Bus error" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10631 [08:17] xfce bug 10631 [08:17] xfce 10631 [08:17] xfce bug 10631 in Decorations "please support mwm hints completely" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10631 [08:17] xfce bug 10625 [08:17] xfce bug 10625 in General "Gtk3 menus are constrained by struts from all monitors." [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10625 [08:18] Are any safe/worth it for after feature freeze? [08:18] for +1 you mean? [08:19] for me to add right now [08:19] well, not really [08:19] Although at this rate it won't be sponsored till unicorn anyway [08:19] they're all safe in my opinion [08:19] but they're quite ugly [08:20] i've got some trivial patches in other components that really should go in though [08:20] some were applied upstream, some not [08:20] the gtk3 bookmarks one should go in [08:20] and the notification window fix [08:21] Thunar already got the bookmark patch. [08:21] really? upstream? [08:21] No, Xubuntu. [08:22] oh, well xfce-places-plugin needs an identical patch [08:22] * Noskcaj adds that to todo list [08:23] the xfnotifyd patch went in upstream but there's no new release [09:52] * ochosi will be away for most of the weekend [09:53] jjfrv8: re:intro to whisker: looks nice, but you'll have to remove "switch users" as that's now identical to "lock screen" and hence won't be active/shown in whisker by default [09:54] ali1234: why would you say the mwm patch is ugly? [09:54] the mwm patch isn't ugly... but it is large [09:54] right [09:54] the struts patch is ugly [09:54] that one would be a nice-to-have [09:54] you could push the mwm patch to a user-repo on git.xfce [09:55] yeah i need to push all my work there [09:55] it's all on github [09:55] that way hopefully more people check it out and also nick will review it [09:55] pushing it would give me an excuse to post it on the ML again [09:55] exactly [09:55] i'll try to give it some testing too [09:55] that'll give me an excuse to reply to your post on the ML ;) [09:55] i've been using my stuff with your tabwin stuff merged since ages ago [09:56] no crashes or anything... but i never use alt-tab [09:56] right :) [09:56] the tabwin stuff seems to have a little oddity, sometimes when the mousecursor is outside the tabwin-window or not above a window-button there's still one highlighted [09:56] someone was asking about alt-tab the other day [09:56] haven't been able to hunt that one down yet [09:57] wanted it to show the full window instead of the border [09:57] odd [09:57] i said that would be hard due to window raising... [09:57] but i don't really know if there's another way [09:57] compositor could probably do it [09:58] it's certainly a different workflow [09:58] no, it's the same [09:58] then you practically don't need an alt-tab window anymore [09:58] cause you're looking only at windows, not at the icons [09:58] well, kind of [09:58] i dunno... i don't even use it [09:58] or: the icons are "in the way" and distracting [09:58] :) [09:58] how do you switch then? [09:58] yeah i suppose you could look at it that way [09:58] i click on the task bar [09:59] yup, that makes sense too [09:59] i don't use keyboard short cuts at all [09:59] Win7 style! :P [09:59] hehe [09:59] for that it would be nice to get that "taskbar"-plugin into shape [09:59] i use them inside programs... like blender [09:59] i sent some fixes for it [09:59] oh, you did? [09:59] did they get merged/reviewed? [09:59] yes [09:59] i forgot about those actually [10:00] cool, will have to check it out again i guess [10:00] for multimonitor, it used to lose windows [10:00] it put the window on the taskbar on the monitor containing the middle pixel of the window [10:00] it definitely could use some theming improvements from what i remember from last using it [10:00] I like the idea of hacking xfwm to force old menus in gnome applications. :P [10:00] so if you moved it halfway off the screen it wouldn't show on any taskbar [10:00] hah, fun bug [10:01] it has a bug with desktop reshaping too [10:01] "great" way to hide your pr0n [10:01] if you just rearrange monitors normally then it works fine [10:01] but there's a bug in gnome-settings-daemon/unity-settings-daemon where if you have no monitors.xml it trashes your config and resets it to default [10:01] and for some reason the taskbar does not pick up this change [10:08] right [10:09] ali1234: btw, have you seen the way unity-greeter handles multimonitor setups? [10:09] yes [10:09] (i.e. login-window follows mouse-focus) [10:09] do you like that? [10:09] i'm wondering what way we should go with the gtk-greeter [10:09] i do kind of like it [10:09] currently we're not really doing anything [10:09] but i think i would prefer to have a login window on every monitor [10:10] hm [10:10] mirrored? [10:10] or just another login-window? [10:10] just another window, if possible [10:10] mhm [10:10] or follow the mouse if not [10:10] see bug 1283615 screenshot [10:10] follow the mouse shouldn't be hard, as we can port that from unity-greeter [10:10] bug 1283615 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "gnome-settings-daemon trashes monitor config" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1283615 [10:10] that's what can happen when it follows the mouse and you don't get the monitor layout right [10:11] unity-greeter is written in vala... [10:11] i have three monitors... the one you can't see is an oculus rift [10:11] yeah i know [10:12] X decided that by default that monitor is in the middle [10:12] that looks empty [10:12] so when unity ignores the xorg.conf it defaults to putting the mouse and login on the middle screen, which you can't see without strapping on a headset [10:14] :/ [10:14] it's really gnome/unity-settings-daemon that does this anyway, not the greeter itself [10:14] unity-greeter is the only one that loads up the settings daemon though [10:15] yeah, weird though, cause in general it seems to be an advantage to have such a daemon running in the greeter [10:15] you can disable modules of g-s-d, so you can disable the xrandr module and it won't mess the layout [10:15] it used to work this way, then someone decided to enable it [10:15] really though it should leave the config alone if it finds nothing at all [10:21] mhm [10:21] gotta run [12:02] Unit193: I'm not sure, but searching the net based on your suggestion, ClientAliveCountMax might do the trick. Thanks, I'll fiddle with the configuration. [12:03] Sure. [14:01] bluesabre: there is no getting menulibre to do anymore than add a menu item in menuobre - not showing in any menus [14:02] elfy, releasing a slew of fixes today [14:02] given I can't get it to work - there's little chance of a testcase - nor getting anyone to test it [14:02] oh lol - ok - was just leaving that message for you when you were about :) [14:02] :) [14:03] yeah, I'll try to get the release out early-ish today and getting it to the repos asap [14:03] ok [14:03] I'll watch for it [14:03] thanks [14:04] bluesabre, since you're here, can you give me a sneek peek so I can start writing the docs paragraph? Will it only edit whiskermenu indirectly? [14:04] I mean will you see the old applications menu loaded in MenuLibre? [14:05] ok, so xfce4-applications-menu, whisker-menu, and menulibre all use xfce4-applications.menu [14:06] whisker menu has an option to show the menu hierarchy, but it is disabled by default [14:06] so instead, it shows the menus ordered by name [14:07] adding new applications should place them in their relative locations, but toplevel items (e.g. those not under a menu) will not be shown because of the way whisker-menu works [14:07] or if they are, they'll likely be under Other [14:07] New directories should be displayed by default [14:08] but yes, the old menu is what will be seen in menulibre, to directly answer your question [14:09] thanks, that clears a lot up. I've checked the 'show menu hierarchy' and it doesn't seem to change anything. [14:11] so, for example, there is no way for someone to put a settings manager launcher, like Mugshot, onto whisker, even as a favorite? [14:12] I believe that is the case, unless you make a new launcher with menulibre [14:12] I'd suggested focusing efforts elsewhere for now, and wait until the next menulibre release [14:12] *suggest [14:13] you mean a release after this weekend's? [14:13] no, the one that will be released this weekend [14:13] ah [14:14] will do. Thanks again. [16:08] afternoon guys [16:13] hey, slickymaster [16:13] jjfrv8: the paragraph with the four proposed icons looks great [16:13] :) and afternoon jjfrv8 [16:13] :) [16:13] hi slickymaster jjfrv8 [16:13] hey, elfy [16:14] I think we should really go forward with the icons addition [16:14] hey elfy [16:14] it seems I'm in england betwenn the fog and the rain :P [16:14] * between [16:15] it's still like mid-winter here on March 1 :( [16:16] slickymaster, did you see where I'll be holding off on the MenuLibre paragraph awaiting bluesabre's new release? [16:17] not yet jjfrv8, did you made a MP? [16:17] slickymaster: piskie went and added a bunch of other stuff to that mp [16:17] * elfy couidn't stop him [16:17] elfy: I was going to ask about that [16:17] o you want me to review your revision 283? [16:18] :) at some point [16:18] will do [16:18] yes, I pushed a revision this morning, 150 [16:18] jjfrv8: going to pull it [16:19] it's got the panel config paragraph in it [16:19] jjfrv8: I'll drop a few lines there [16:27] hmmm, the new icons in the images folder didn't get pushed. don't know how to make that happen. [16:42] bah, got called into work. maybe back later. [17:33] ali1234: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2208553 [17:44] when apport reports a problem and then opens the browser with a login screen to launchpad, I am not sure what to do. [17:44] Well, I logged in eh [19:30] ok, almost done with the menulibre update, will have it out later, bbl === jackson is now known as Guest95629 === Guest95629 is now known as Noskcaj