[00:19] <bluesabre> brainwash: yeah, I think that would be a nice value-add
[00:20] <bluesabre> gotta go, bbl
[01:51] <jjfrv8> knome, slickymaster, ochosi, others: proposed intro to the four icons in whisker: http://imagebin.org/296426
[01:51] <jjfrv8> and then the modified way to refer to Settings Manager througout the rest of the docs: http://imagebin.org/296427
[03:07] <AussieDownUnder> pleia2, I have some photos of a folder full of ubuntu/xubuntu flyers on a table that I left to be handed out at a Permaculture group meeting this afternoon, I was supposed to attend but I injured myself & had to leave lol.
[03:08] <pleia2> AussieDownUnder: doh! hope you get well soon
[03:09] <pleia2> AussieDownUnder: feel free to send over some photos, I can share them
[03:09] <AussieDownUnder> pleia2, yep doh, thanks. Lesson learnt I'm not a Kangaroo & can't jump down shipping crates onto concrete.
[03:10] <pleia2> haha! oh no :)
[03:15]  * pleia2 seeks dinner
[03:16] <AussieDownUnder> I only just had lunch
[03:22] <AussieDownUnder> pleia2, check yol email yol
[08:14] <Noskcaj> ali1234, Is there an exact xfwm4 patch for us to use yet?
[08:14] <ali1234> there is no patch to the source code required, only build options
[08:15] <ali1234> just build it with -DMONITOR_ROOT_PIXMAP
[08:15] <Noskcaj> oh yep, i remember now
[08:15] <Noskcaj> Any other changes we should put with the merge?
[08:16] <ali1234> hmm
[08:16] <ali1234> i have a lot of patches but they're not really suitable for wide use
[08:17] <ali1234> like bug 10631
[08:17] <ali1234> xfce bug 10631
[08:17] <Unit193> xfce 10631
[08:17] <ali1234> xfce bug 10625
[08:18] <Noskcaj> Are any safe/worth it for after feature freeze?
[08:18] <ali1234> for +1 you mean?
[08:19] <Noskcaj> for me to add right now
[08:19] <ali1234> well, not really
[08:19] <Noskcaj> Although at this rate it won't be sponsored till unicorn anyway
[08:19] <ali1234> they're all safe in my opinion
[08:19] <ali1234> but they're quite ugly
[08:20] <ali1234> i've got some trivial patches in other components that really should go in though
[08:20] <ali1234> some were applied upstream, some not
[08:20] <ali1234> the gtk3 bookmarks one should go in
[08:20] <ali1234> and the notification window fix
[08:21] <Unit193> Thunar already got the bookmark patch.
[08:21] <ali1234> really? upstream?
[08:21] <Unit193> No, Xubuntu.
[08:22] <ali1234> oh, well xfce-places-plugin needs an identical patch
[08:22]  * Noskcaj adds that to todo list
[08:23] <ali1234> the xfnotifyd patch went in upstream but there's no new release
[09:52]  * ochosi will be away for most of the weekend
[09:53] <ochosi> jjfrv8: re:intro to whisker: looks nice, but you'll have to remove "switch users" as that's now identical to "lock screen" and hence won't be active/shown in whisker by default
[09:54] <ochosi> ali1234: why would you say the mwm patch is ugly?
[09:54] <ali1234> the mwm patch isn't ugly... but it is large
[09:54] <ochosi> right
[09:54] <ali1234> the struts patch is ugly
[09:54] <ochosi> that one would be a nice-to-have
[09:54] <ochosi> you could push the mwm patch to a user-repo on git.xfce
[09:55] <ali1234> yeah i need to push all my work there
[09:55] <ali1234> it's all on github
[09:55] <ochosi> that way hopefully more people check it out and also nick will review it
[09:55] <ali1234> pushing it would give me an excuse to post it on the ML again
[09:55] <ochosi> exactly
[09:55] <ochosi> i'll try to give it some testing too
[09:55] <ochosi> that'll give me an excuse to reply to your post on the ML ;)
[09:55] <ali1234> i've been using my stuff with your tabwin stuff merged since ages ago
[09:56] <ali1234> no crashes or anything... but i never use alt-tab
[09:56] <ochosi> right :)
[09:56] <ochosi> the tabwin stuff seems to have a little oddity, sometimes when the mousecursor is outside the tabwin-window or not above a window-button there's still one highlighted
[09:56] <ali1234> someone was asking about alt-tab the other day
[09:56] <ochosi> haven't been able to hunt that one down yet
[09:57] <ali1234> wanted it to show the full window instead of the border
[09:57] <ochosi> odd
[09:57] <ali1234> i said that would be hard due to window raising...
[09:57] <ali1234> but i don't really know if there's another way
[09:57] <ali1234> compositor could probably do it
[09:58] <ochosi> it's certainly a different workflow
[09:58] <ali1234> no, it's the same
[09:58] <ochosi> then you practically don't need an alt-tab window anymore
[09:58] <ochosi> cause you're looking only at windows, not at the icons
[09:58] <ali1234> well, kind of
[09:58] <ali1234> i dunno... i don't even use it
[09:58] <ochosi> or: the icons are "in the way" and distracting
[09:58] <ochosi> :)
[09:58] <ochosi> how do you switch then?
[09:58] <ali1234> yeah i suppose you could look at it that way
[09:58] <ali1234> i click on the task bar
[09:59] <ochosi> yup, that makes sense too
[09:59] <ali1234> i don't use keyboard short cuts at all
[09:59] <Unit193> Win7 style! :P
[09:59] <ochosi> hehe
[09:59] <ochosi> for that it would be nice to get that "taskbar"-plugin into shape
[09:59] <ali1234> i use them inside programs... like blender
[09:59] <ali1234> i sent some fixes for it
[09:59] <ochosi> oh, you did?
[09:59] <ochosi> did they get merged/reviewed?
[09:59] <ali1234> yes
[09:59] <ali1234> i forgot about those actually
[10:00] <ochosi> cool, will have to check it out again i guess
[10:00] <ali1234> for multimonitor, it used to lose windows
[10:00] <ali1234> it put the window on the taskbar on the monitor containing the middle pixel of the window
[10:00] <ochosi> it definitely could use some theming improvements from what i remember from last using it
[10:00] <Unit193> I like the idea of hacking xfwm to force old menus in gnome applications. :P
[10:00] <ali1234> so if you moved it halfway off the screen it wouldn't show on any taskbar
[10:00] <ochosi> hah, fun bug
[10:01] <ali1234> it has a bug with desktop reshaping too
[10:01] <ochosi> "great" way to hide your pr0n
[10:01] <ali1234> if you just rearrange monitors normally then it works fine
[10:01] <ali1234> but there's a bug in gnome-settings-daemon/unity-settings-daemon where if you have no monitors.xml it trashes your config and resets it to default
[10:01] <ali1234> and for some reason the taskbar does not pick up this change
[10:08] <ochosi> right
[10:09] <ochosi> ali1234: btw, have you seen the way unity-greeter handles multimonitor setups?
[10:09] <ali1234> yes
[10:09] <ochosi> (i.e. login-window follows mouse-focus)
[10:09] <ochosi> do you like that?
[10:09] <ochosi> i'm wondering what way we should go with the gtk-greeter
[10:09] <ali1234> i do kind of like it
[10:09] <ochosi> currently we're not really doing anything
[10:09] <ali1234> but i think i would prefer to have a login window on every monitor
[10:10] <ochosi> hm
[10:10] <ochosi> mirrored?
[10:10] <ochosi> or just another login-window?
[10:10] <ali1234> just another window, if possible
[10:10] <ochosi> mhm
[10:10] <ali1234> or follow the mouse if not
[10:10] <ali1234> see bug 1283615 screenshot
[10:10] <ochosi> follow the mouse shouldn't be hard, as we can port that from unity-greeter
[10:10] <ali1234> that's what can happen when it follows the mouse and you don't get the monitor layout right
[10:11] <ali1234> unity-greeter is written in vala...
[10:11] <ali1234> i have three monitors... the one you can't see is an oculus rift
[10:11] <ochosi> yeah i know
[10:12] <ali1234> X decided that by default that monitor is in the middle
[10:12] <ochosi> that looks empty
[10:12] <ali1234> so when unity ignores the xorg.conf it defaults to putting the mouse and login on the middle screen, which you can't see without strapping on a headset
[10:14] <ochosi> :/
[10:14] <ali1234> it's really gnome/unity-settings-daemon that does this anyway, not the greeter itself
[10:14] <ali1234> unity-greeter is the only one that loads up the settings daemon though
[10:15] <ochosi> yeah, weird though, cause in general it seems to be an advantage to have such a daemon running in the greeter
[10:15] <ali1234> you can disable modules of g-s-d, so you can disable the xrandr module and it won't mess the layout
[10:15] <ali1234> it used to work this way, then someone decided to enable it
[10:15] <ali1234> really though it should leave the config alone if it finds nothing at all
[10:21] <ochosi> mhm
[10:21] <ochosi> gotta run
[12:02] <astraljava> Unit193: I'm not sure, but searching the net based on your suggestion, ClientAliveCountMax might do the trick. Thanks, I'll fiddle with the configuration.
[12:03] <Unit193> Sure.
[14:01] <elfy> bluesabre: there is no getting menulibre to do anymore than add a menu item in menuobre - not showing in any menus
[14:02] <bluesabre> elfy, releasing a slew of fixes today
[14:02] <elfy> given I can't get it to work - there's little chance of a testcase - nor getting anyone to test it
[14:02] <elfy> oh lol - ok - was just leaving that message for you when you were about :)
[14:02] <bluesabre> :)
[14:03] <bluesabre> yeah, I'll try to get the release out early-ish today and getting it to the repos asap
[14:03] <elfy> ok 
[14:03] <elfy> I'll watch for it 
[14:03] <bluesabre> thanks
[14:04] <jjfrv8> bluesabre, since you're here, can you give me a sneek peek so I can start writing the docs paragraph? Will it only edit whiskermenu indirectly?
[14:04] <jjfrv8> I mean will you see the old applications menu loaded in MenuLibre?
[14:05] <bluesabre> ok, so xfce4-applications-menu, whisker-menu, and menulibre all use xfce4-applications.menu
[14:06] <bluesabre> whisker menu has an option to show the menu hierarchy, but it is disabled by default
[14:06] <bluesabre> so instead, it shows the menus ordered by name
[14:07] <bluesabre> adding new applications should place them in their relative locations, but toplevel items (e.g. those not under a menu) will not be shown because of the way whisker-menu works
[14:07] <bluesabre> or if they are, they'll likely be under Other
[14:07] <bluesabre> New directories should be displayed by default
[14:08] <bluesabre> but yes, the old menu is what will be seen in menulibre, to directly answer your question
[14:09] <jjfrv8> thanks, that clears a lot up. I've checked the 'show menu hierarchy' and it doesn't seem to change anything.
[14:11] <jjfrv8> so, for example, there is no way for someone to put a settings manager launcher, like Mugshot, onto whisker, even as a favorite?
[14:12] <bluesabre> I believe that is the case, unless you make a new launcher with menulibre
[14:12] <bluesabre> I'd suggested focusing efforts elsewhere for now, and wait until the next menulibre release
[14:12] <bluesabre> *suggest
[14:13] <jjfrv8> you mean a release after this weekend's?
[14:13] <bluesabre> no, the one that will be released this weekend
[14:13] <jjfrv8> ah
[14:14] <jjfrv8> will do. Thanks again.
[16:08] <slickymaster> afternoon guys
[16:13] <jjfrv8> hey, slickymaster 
[16:13] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: the paragraph with the four proposed icons looks great
[16:13] <slickymaster> :) and afternoon jjfrv8 
[16:13] <jjfrv8> :)
[16:13] <elfy> hi slickymaster jjfrv8 
[16:13] <jjfrv8> hey, elfy
[16:14] <slickymaster> I think we should really go forward with the icons addition
[16:14] <slickymaster> hey elfy 
[16:14] <slickymaster> it seems I'm in england betwenn the fog and the rain :P
[16:14] <slickymaster> * between
[16:15] <jjfrv8> it's still like mid-winter here on March 1 :(
[16:16] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, did you see where I'll be holding off on the MenuLibre paragraph awaiting bluesabre's new release?
[16:17] <slickymaster> not yet jjfrv8, did you made a MP?
[16:17] <elfy> slickymaster: piskie went and added a bunch of other stuff to that mp 
[16:17]  * elfy couidn't stop him 
[16:17] <slickymaster> elfy: I was going to ask about that
[16:17] <slickymaster> o you want me to review your revision 283?
[16:18] <elfy> :) at some point 
[16:18] <slickymaster> will do
[16:18] <jjfrv8> yes, I pushed a revision this morning, 150
[16:18] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: going to pull it
[16:19] <jjfrv8> it's got the panel config paragraph in it
[16:19] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: I'll drop a few lines there
[16:27] <jjfrv8> hmmm, the new icons in the images folder didn't get pushed. don't know how to make that happen.
[16:42] <jjfrv8> bah, got called into work. maybe back later.
[17:33] <brainwash> ali1234: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2208553
[17:44] <schproodle> when apport reports a problem and then opens the browser with a login screen to launchpad, I am not sure what to do.
[17:44] <schproodle> Well, I logged in eh
[19:30] <bluesabre> ok, almost done with the menulibre update, will have it out later, bbl