[02:07] Out of curiosity, any particular reason why lp:ubuntu-html5-theme Series 13.10 hasn't been receiving backports of the 14.04 series? I get there is an upcoming 14.04 release, sorta loaded up 13.10 with the SDK and ubuntu-html5-theme expecting things to work, only to find out I needed to manually bzr branch the trusty branch and manally move the ambiance 0.1 stuff to /usr/share/ubuntu-html5-theme. [02:47] hi everyone, is anyone active in here? I have a question. [06:30] Hi there. I can't get the html5 camera totorial to work in the qt-creator it just shows the loading screen. I wonder if I am missing some libraries to make it happen. Any ideas? [06:31] Also, how do I "install" my app on the simulator so I can test it out? I have a phone running Touch in the emulator but can't figure out how to do the installation. [07:59] when i run my app on the emulator.The log show:"Are developer tools installed.. 0 ..developer tools are not installed."Which package I show install? [10:39] Out of curiosity, any particular reason why lp:ubuntu-html5-theme Series 13.10 hasn't been receiving backports of the 14.04 series? I get there is an upcoming 14.04 release, sorta loaded up 13.10 with the SDK and ubuntu-html5-theme expecting things to work, only to find out I needed to manually bzr branch the trusty branch and manally move the ambiance 0.1 stuff to /usr/share/ubuntu-html5-theme. (Asked this earlier, [10:39] just ended up going to bed so figured I'd ask again now that I've woken up) [13:13] graargh [13:13] How am I meant to add a ListView to a page so that it doesn't go under the page header? [13:14] I always, always get this wrong [13:14] and it's really annoying [13:15] is the listview wrapped in

? [13:15] JoshStrobl, QML app, not HTML5 app :) [13:15] ah [13:16] I'll show myself out then [13:16] :P [13:16] QML does some magic handling of Pages and Flickables in them [13:16] but I can never remember quite how the magic works [13:16] which is a reason to not like magic :) [13:17] * JoshStrobl is kinda annoyed that ubuntu-html5-theme changes aren't being backported to saucy since the current series now is trusty. gotta manually update my bzr branch and pull whenever there are changes and make sure the symlinks to /usr/share/ are still valid. [13:21] If I knew how bzr worked (I'm more of a git user), I'd help backport and test changes between the trusty series and saucy (which would be fairly easy, since it's just CSS, JS etc. [13:22] I suspect that there's a PPA to add to saucy which covers it? [13:22] the general rule is that if you're on the dev release the changes are in that release; if you're on an older release, there's a PPA to add which has them [13:22] https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-html5-theme > no changes have been made to the 13.10 series since 2013-11-27. All changes are onlp:ubuntu-html5-theme Series 14.04. [13:22] but I do not know if the html5 theme stuff follows this rule [13:23] *on lp... [13:23] daker, ping -- is there a PPA for saucy for the html5-theme stuff? [13:23] daker will know. :) [13:28] I'm going to try again (after my re-install of ubuntu-sdk packages) to add the lp:ubuntu-html5-theme and see what happens. [13:29] mhall119 might know as well [13:31] I think they might be idling :P [14:01] in their defence they might be in America and asleep :) [14:10] as is ken, who I need to talk to about the Content Hub stuff. [14:35] aquarius: set clip:true [14:37] aquarius: what might I know? [14:39] aquarius: JoshStrobl: the SDK's own PPA has ubuntu-html5-theme packages in it [14:39] He's alive \o/ [14:39] mhall119: When I installed ubuntu-sdk in saucy it didn't include anything for html5 aside from the definitions in the "create a project" [14:40] for instance, there was no /usr/share/ubuntu-html5-theme/0.1/ambiance stuff, which is suggested in the docs [14:40] hence why I needed to manually grab ubuntu-html5-theme [14:40] JoshStrobl: if you run "apt-cache policy ubuntu-html5-theme" what does it give you? [14:41] It says it's installed [14:41] he guys! [14:41] this channel is new to me [14:42] when I do dpkg --get-selections ubuntu-html5* is lists all the ubuntu-html5* stuff as install [14:42] hey YamakasY! [14:42] I'm building my own package and that is installed well. Now I want to install openjdk-7-jre with it so I added Depends: openjdk-7-jre but that doesn't install it [14:45] what amd I doing wrong here ? [14:46] Finally found time to upgrade my laptop to Trusty, and now autopilot tests run \o/ [14:46] I'd upgrade but stuff like openjdk-fontfix doesn't have a trusty series yet. [14:47] No way am I going to use Java applications with bad fonts :D [14:48] why do you wanna use java applications? ;) [14:48] Because I'm a big fan of PhpStorm since it is the only IDE on Linux that properly supports Typescript and intellisense-like features for it. [14:49] I mean when I install openjdk-7-jre... the headless package is also installed with it [14:51] * JoshStrobl has no idea about the depends issue. Sorry :S [14:51] mhall119: Can you rescue YamakasY? [14:51] * JoshStrobl puts the superman cape on mhall119. [14:51] * YamakasY likes to be rescued [14:52] JoshStrobl: and has mhall119 also has some red swimsuite ?? :D [14:52] YamakasY: He might. You might want to ask him ;) [14:52] mhall119: ping :) [14:53] mhall119: or shall I Pamela you ? :D [14:55] it's strange as I believed it was working like that [14:56] YamakasY: I prefer the batman look [14:56] mhall119: that's hot too [14:56] YamakasY: what can I do for you? [14:57] I'm building my own package and that is installed well. Now I want to install openjdk-7-jre with it so I added Depends: openjdk-7-jre but that doesn't install it [14:57] YamakasY: you're making a debian package then, not a click package? [14:57] mhall119: yap deb [14:57] what is a click package ? [14:58] YamakasY: new-style packaging for stand-alone apps [14:58] ah ok [14:58] nope :) [14:58] it's a server package [14:58] ok, and it's install installing openjdk-7-jre when you install it? [14:58] mhh [14:59] again ? [14:59] what arch are you targetting? [14:59] I get dependencie messages [14:59] ah, good,what are those? [14:59] my package needs openjdk-7-jre [14:59] it needs it but it's not going to be installed, so a apt-get -f install fixes it [15:00] does your depend on a specific version of it? [15:00] I need 7 [15:00] jre [15:00] right, but does it have a sub-version? [15:01] like Depends: openjdk-7-jre (>=7u25-2.3.12-4ubuntu3) [15:01] uhm hoe do you mean ? [15:01] or just Depends: openjdk-7-re [15:01] Depends [15:01] can you pastebin your debian/control file? [15:02] mhall119: http://www.pastebin.ca/2650115 [15:02] don't mention the second depends [15:03] and what message do you get when you try to install it? [15:04] red5-server-1.0.2 depends on openjdk-7-jre; however: [15:04] Package openjdk-7-jre is not installed. [15:06] YamakasY: are you installing it with dpkg or apt? [15:07] mhall119: dpkg -i locally atm... with be apt when puppeting [15:07] well dpkg doesn't do dependency installation for you [15:08] do you get the same error when using apt? [15:08] mhall119: can I use apt for a deb ? [15:09] what is the bzr command to apply a patch? [15:10] YamakasY: if there is, I don't know it [15:10] YamakasY: I usually use gdebi to do that, but I don't think it's a default installed program [15:11] mhall119: yeah I read a lot about gdebi... so I will do that [15:14] Hey mhall119, who on the Canonical / Ubuntu team oversees the Ubuntu Developer Portal? [15:14] JoshStrobl: myself, dpm, jono and peterm [15:14] nik90, aha, that's it, yes [15:15] mhall119: Then muahaha, bugs! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+bug/1286634 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+bug/1286651 [15:15] Launchpad bug 1286634 in Ubuntu App Developer site "Installing the SDK page | Icon Incorrect" [Undecided,New] [15:15] Launchpad bug 1286651 in Ubuntu App Developer site "404 | Community | Developer.Ubuntu.Com" [Undecided,New] [15:15] mhall119: yeah thanks! [15:15] worked [15:16] np YamakasY [15:16] thanks JoshStrobl [15:30] that's quite funny that I'm unable to find a bazaar way to apply a patch [15:32] can I have a Button with an ActivityIndicator in it? [15:43] Aaand another bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+bug/1286833 [15:43] Launchpad bug 1286833 in Ubuntu App Developer site "UbuntuUI.Toolbar Example Is Not Valid HTML" [Undecided,New] [15:44] ybon: bzr help patch [15:47] mhall119: No help could be found for 'patch' [15:47] but thanks :) [15:47] I've used patch command line anyway [15:47] was just expecting some "bzr patch" or "bzr apply" command [15:50] ybon do you have the .patch file? [15:51] JoshStrobl: you mean the file containing the diff to apply? [15:52] ybon: If you got a patch from upstream or something, you should just be able to merge it into your branch. If you made a patch, use the bzr send functionality, outputting it into a .patch file, which can later be patched with bzr patch [15:53] http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.2.6/en/user-reference/send-help.html [15:53] My plan was to apply my own patch (from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1279933 ) [15:53] Launchpad bug 1279933 in Ubuntu Calendar App "Event starting at 0:00 displayed also the day before in day view" [Undecided,New] [15:53] Literally the limitation of my knowledge. I'm more familiar with git [15:53] to be able to send a proper MR [15:54] well, same for me, I use git all the day long usually [15:54] I've used "patch -i file" at the end [15:55] (I've no "bzr patch" command it seems) [15:56] can someone run this test for me calendar_app.tests.test_yearview.TestYearView.test_show_next_years ? It's failing for me, just want to know if it's linked to my env or not before digging into it [16:58] winner. First app for the showdown almost done, except for the bits I can't do because they're dependent on undocumented new APIs like the downloader or the content hub :) === Willy is now known as Guest15421 [17:18] mhall119, ping: if you load developer.ubuntu.com over SSL, the CSS doesn't work. [17:19] mhall119, also ping: are "web apps" (that is: pure web things which integrate into Unity) not supported any more? d.u.c doesn't seem to talk about them [17:24] can I get some sort of a device name from QML? On a computer I'd get the hostname. This is to add to a U1 key so that when people review their list of U1 keys they can see which one applies to which device. [17:57] daker, do you know about the Unity webapps stuff? [17:58] ah! [17:58] ignore me; I've just found it on the d.u.c site :) [17:58] Ni :( [17:58] No* [17:59] it's OK. I couldn't find anything under Apps, but it's a whole section, Web, on its own :) [20:51] Are there more stock icons for use on Ubuntu Touch applications aside from the few available via ubuntu-html5-theme/0.1/ambiance/img [20:53] A question I would also like to know the answer to. [20:55] http://design.canonical.com/2013/12/the-new-ubuntu-icons/ suggests that there are a whole bunch coming [20:55] but I don't think they're released yet [20:55] I am assuming that when they get released, there'll be documentation naming them all. [20:59] Hmm, which they would've timed this Ubuntu App Showdown with the release of the necessary resources to make a well designed application that fits in with the Ubuntu HIG. [21:00] *wish they would've [21:01] part of the goal of the showdown is to get people building apps precisely so it becomes apparent what's missing. :) [21:02] for the moment, I'd copy icons that you want into your app [21:02] seems that console.log() is not outputing anymore on my QtCreator "Application Output" window since I've upgraded to Trusty. Any hint anyone? :) [21:13] ybon: let me guess calendar? [21:13] nik90: yep :) [21:14] ybon: it is an EDS issue -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtorganizer5-eds/+bug/1284587 [21:14] Launchpad bug 1284587 in qtorganizer5-eds (Ubuntu) "crash when exiting the application" [Undecided,New] [21:14] ybon: it is causing calendar and clock to crash [21:14] ybon: and also block console output :( [21:14] gasp [21:14] ybon: luckily there is a fix https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/qtorganizer5-eds/fix-1284587/+merge/208791 [21:14] ybon: should land hopefully soon [21:15] great :) [21:15] nik90: do you know any workaround? [21:16] I'm using a field to log for now :p [21:16] ybon: add a qml label and output stuff to it :P [21:16] ybon: trust me I am affected by it as much as you are :D [21:17] I trust (tahr) you :) [21:18] lol [21:18] ybon: how's trusty? [21:18] I myself made the upgrade 2 days ago [21:18] 'till now perfect :) [21:18] me too! [21:18] Friday night :) [21:18] ;) [21:19] I was on Berlin for work two days ago, and working for a client this week, so not time for UT sadly [21:19] oh man I am seeing some really cool apps being developed for this showdown...looking forward to it [21:20] like what? :) [21:20] (btw, I've seen that MapBox is yet joining the party, which is good) [21:22] Project Dashboard -> https://plus.google.com/117574309170420884411/posts/6dDpF2P64fw [21:26] woa :) [21:30] nik90: https://gist.github.com/yohanboniface/da9a397c22334cf93b8b :P [21:30] :) [21:31] I just found out that one can use qtcreator's device to easily enable/disable RW of your ubuntu touch device. No unnecessary terminal commands :D [21:35] If I used Ubuntu SDK's option to "Install on device" (rather than just run on device), how do I uninstall the app? [21:36] aquarius: does it show up if you .... [21:36] adb shell [21:36] sudo -u phablet -i [21:36] click list | grep [21:37] popey, it does [21:37] hold your finger down on it in the dash [21:37] tap "uninstall" [21:37] the Dash doesn't like showing a preview for it [21:37] I tried that, of course :) [21:37] sudo click unregister com.ubuntu.developer.foo 0.1 [21:37] I get "open" and "close" buttons. No uninstall [21:37] after sudo -u phablet -i [21:38] what's phablet's password? [21:38] phablet [21:38] nice, thank you :) [21:38] np [21:38] how do I get the Dash to notice that it's gone? [21:38] pkill unity8 [21:38] or reboot phone [21:39] or search for the app [21:39] ah, search, that would have worked. [21:39] I don't like rebooting because it reboots into android and then I have to reboot again :) [21:39] hm [21:39] after pkilling unity8, how do I start it again? ;) [21:39] it should autostart [21:40] it has not [21:40] I can still see unity on the screen [21:40] but it's unresponsive... [21:40] ⍨ [21:40] * aquarius kills it agian [21:40] aha! [21:40] that worked :) [21:40] kill it with fire [21:42] winner, my icon works now. Cheers :) [21:42] oh! haha [21:42] there *is* an uninstall [21:42] on the preview for installed-from-ubuntu-sdk apps [21:42] it's just below the scroll fold. [21:44] aquarius: where is the uninstall again? [21:44] in qtcreator? [21:44] nik90, there isn't one in Ubuntu SDK [21:44] but you can do it on the device [21:45] popey: I am guessing you have seen Flappy Popey :P [21:46] aquarius: I was about to suggest you to check if you have scrolled down but I refrained ;) [21:46] aquarius: so you open the preview of the app and then scroll down to see the uninstall button is it? [21:47] because I had the uninstall issue as well :P [21:48] nik90, yeah [21:48] aquarius: ah thnx..silly me [21:48] the preview pane throws a big inappropriate wobbly saying ERROR because it can't find the app in the click store [21:50] nik90: yeah ⍨ [21:51] ah, popey while you are here, one question: I've worked on adding UT datepicker on the calendar, and then the "all day event" thing has been added, I'm merging now, but now I have three date fields [21:51] one for the day date [21:51] one for the start date [21:51] one for the end date [21:52] which seems a bit weird to me [21:52] so I guess the start/end ones are only time [21:53] and then one even cannot start on one day and ends in another day [21:53] Do I understand well? [22:02] anyone have a recommended save icon they use in Ubuntu Touch applications that fit with the current designs (http://design.canonical.com/2013/12/the-new-ubuntu-icons/) / HIG [22:04] ybon: hey.. [22:05] ybon: that's odd. [22:05] JoshStrobl, what are you saving? In general, things ought to be saved automatically without someone having to push a button, although your use case might be different [22:06] popey: yep [22:06] the individual will be saving a task. it shouldn't be automatic since the user may or may not want the task to be saved (say, if they go to create one but change their mind). The user will be prompted however on the back navigation, if they haven't saved a task, if they want to or not. [22:06] popey: have you tried the trunk? [22:07] While I agree that in most cases it should be automatic, this isn't one of them. [22:07] here is the commit that add "AddDay" event thing: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/trunk/revision/208 [22:08] JoshStrobl, that may make it a bit awkward to find a Save icon, mind :) [22:08] yea :\ [22:09] was thinking about just creating one in Inkscape [22:09] $ locate symbolic | grep save [22:09] shows a few possibilities [22:10] ybon: no, but I will in the morning when I am more awake [22:11] okey [22:11] I will push a date + startTime + endTime version in the meantime (not sure to get time to work on this tomorrow) [22:11] /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/actions/document-save-symbolic.svg looks promising [22:11] and we will discuss further [22:12] JoshStrobl, yeah -- there's a reasonable set of symbolic icons shipped with Ubuntu, which are generally under convenient licenses [22:12] JoshStrobl: maybe this can help: http://askubuntu.com/questions/289747/are-there-any-standard-icons-for-qml-app-development [22:13] ybon: Indeed it did! [22:13] hey! [22:13] those icons are available on the device? [22:14] * aquarius makes an annoyed face [22:14] well stone me [22:14] they are. [22:15] yes, I'm using them for OSMTouch [22:15] gnaaaah [22:15] are these guaranteed to hang around? [22:15] if so, I think the SDK docs should include them? [22:15] no idea :) [22:16] maybe mhall119 or popey know [22:16] I think in any case a common set of icons is a must have for the SDK [22:18] aquarius: ybon: they should be in the devportal docs yes, if someone gave me an official list of them I can do that [22:20] mhall119: btw you are running the dev.ubuntu.com site, right? [22:20] aquarius: a lot of our media on dev.u.c is references with a full URL, so it tries to load them over http even when you load the page over https, which the browser rightfully objects to [22:20] ybon: I'm one of the people running it, yes [22:20] great :) [22:20] I've seen that you may switch it to Django? [22:20] aquarius: http://developer.ubuntu.com/web/ is the "webapps" stuff [22:21] ybon: we're evaluating options, since WP is showing it's limitations [22:21] ok [22:21] in case you go the Django way, if you need a hand, just ping, I do Django very often for years now :) [22:21] (And I really like it :) ) [22:22] ybon: we always need django devs in our community, and at least the /api/ part of developer.ubuntu.com is already django [22:23] ybon: I can already use help on that, see http://mhall119.com/2014/02/ubuntu-api-website-teardown/ for lots of info about it [22:24] ah, nice, the bzr link is also included :) [22:24] I will have a look, and try to take time to help [22:24] thanks tb [22:24] ybon: [22:25] mhall119: what is your time zone? Just to know when it's best for me to take time and get you online for feedback :) [22:33] mhall119, ya, I worked that out eventually, sorry :) webapps support isn't excellent, though...? [22:33] based on my testing of stuff in preparation for talking about it tomorrow ;) [22:34] ybon: US/Eastern [22:34] mhall119: ok :) [22:34] UTC-500 currently [22:34] mhall119: btw, do you know Chris Glass? [22:35] aquarius: it's always been flaky with the browser plugins, it should be better when it's using just our own browser on the desktop, but that's not working yet [22:35] mhall119, yeah [22:35] ybon: doesn't sound familiar, does he have an IRC nick? [22:35] Tribaal [22:35] ah, that does sound familiar [22:35] not sure from where/when though [22:35] is working at Canonical [22:35] and he is Djangoist :) [22:35] mhall119, and the Unity javascript stuff doesn't work in the phone container either :( [22:36] and he is a friend of mines :) [22:38] ybon: hmm, surprised I haven't worked with him on something yet then [22:39] yep, strange [22:39] mhall119: but he is more on Juju [22:40] ah, that would explain it [22:40] stupid network [22:41] aquarius: I thought youwere just running away from me [22:41] aquarius: none of the Unity APIs work on phone yet, it's not just the webapps part [22:41] mhall119, so, sorry, I may have missed your response [22:41] mhall119, yeah [22:41] Tomorrow I shall talk about the theory [22:42] and then explain the gaps that need to be filled in :) [22:42] aquarius: as long as you document those gaps as work items or bugs so they can be followed up on [22:42] mhall119, well, I can file bugs, certainly [22:43] they'll be high-level bugs, though [22:43] "Web app integration does not work in the web-app container on desktop" [22:43] that sort of thing. [23:44] I have a question for anyone that can help... Do I need a provider and service file in my app in order to allow authentication with google? [23:46] For everything related to authentication with Google, ask NSA [23:46] Oh gosh haha nice but i'm just trying to figure out how authentication in ubuntu touch works... I don't get how account management works haha [23:50] Anyone used google in their apps before? I could really use help if you have!