[09:54] <karthik> hello
[09:54] <karthik> a small help ?
[09:55] <karthik> anyone ?
[09:55] <karthik> i'm on the final stage of installing ubuntu touch UI
[13:14] <ogra_> cyphermox, we need to look into manta (N10) bluetooth together at some point, i can see it being powered in dmesg once i rfkill unblock it, but i dont manage to get the Ubuntu side to work at all
[13:48] <RodrigoAlmeida> Hi there.. I am always reading about ubuntu phone.. I want to install it on my nexus 4 but before do it i want to know if the description about "what to expect after flashing" will really work on my phone. After flashing can I use it day by day?
[13:49] <RodrigoAlmeida> I use Ubuntu since 6.04 in my computer and in my company.. I am big fan
[13:49] <RodrigoAlmeida> I want to use it in my phone.
[13:50] <ogra_> RodrigoAlmeida, the features that are there work well ... but there are still many things missing ... it really depends what you usually do with your phone ...
[13:51] <RodrigoAlmeida> I use everything like email, sms, hangout..
[13:51] <RodrigoAlmeida> Those apps works on ubuntu phone? Like google hangout?
[13:51] <ogra_> no hangouts, no email yet
[13:51] <ogra_> calls, sms and the like work well
[13:52] <RodrigoAlmeida> Hmmmm I see
[13:52] <ogra_> calendar, alarmclock etc too
[13:52] <ogra_> there is a G+ app that kind of works but isnt comparable with the android one at all
[13:53] <ogra_> facebook and gmail are there as webapps (which is essentially their mobile webpage)
[13:53] <ogra_> if you can live with such limitations the phone is usable on a day to day basis ... if you cant ... well, then it isnt
[13:54] <RodrigoAlmeida> Hmmm nice.. I guess i will it today. My 4g or 3g works? Mobile data?
[13:54] <ogra_> (someone just started work on an imap client)
[13:54] <ogra_> yep, that stuff works fine
[13:54] <RodrigoAlmeida> Woow.. So this is perfect for me.. I really do not use social network a lot..
[13:54] <ogra_> location doesnt work so well yet (maps etc)
[13:55] <RodrigoAlmeida> Hmmm ok.. Are you using it now?
[13:55] <RodrigoAlmeida> On your phone?
[13:55] <ogra_> (it works but only via GPS (which needs up to 40min to register toi a sattelite) not via AGPS (the fast variant))
[13:55] <ogra_> yes
[13:56] <ogra_> i usually only read some news, do some G+ and phone and sms with it
[13:56] <ogra_> for these it works fine
[13:56] <ogra_> i'm missing email a lot though :)
[13:56] <RodrigoAlmeida> Nice! I am going to flash my phone right now..
[13:57] <RodrigoAlmeida> I will try it and see what's happen
[13:57] <ogra_> just dont put to high expectations in ... it is still a very young system :)
[13:57] <RodrigoAlmeida> Thank you a lot and sorry for bug you!
[13:57] <RodrigoAlmeida> All right. :)
[13:57] <ogra_> heh, nobody forced me to answer you ... enjoy :)
[13:58] <RodrigoAlmeida> :D
[13:58] <RodrigoAlmeida> Thanks.
[14:12] <Tassadar> ogra_: does adding google account in system settings -> accounts do anything? I mean, does it sync with it somehow or something like that?
[14:12] <ogra_> it does *someting* ... no idea what :P
[14:12] <ogra_> i dont think the gmail app uses it
[14:13] <Tassadar> no
[14:13] <ogra_> and i know for sure G+ doesnt
[14:13] <Tassadar> it wants me to log in again)
[14:13] <ogra_> it is supposed to be used by apps ... but i dont think there are many that mke use of the accounts API yet
[14:14] <ogra_> that email app is in an astonishingly good state already, wow
[14:14]  * ogra_ is just playing around with it 
[14:15] <Tassadar> is it on the "store"?
[14:15] <ogra_> nope
[14:15] <ogra_> the click is at http://ubuntuone.com/4TfdZdBSpLuR7DEwn8MPc3
[14:16] <Tassadar> by the way, how do you call your "app store"?
[14:16] <ogra_> udo -H -u phablet pkcon install-local /path/to/downloaded/click
[14:16] <ogra_> *sudo
[14:16] <Tassadar> thanks
[14:16] <ogra_> i call it "frank"
[14:16] <ogra_> :P
[14:16] <ogra_> i dont think it has a name yet :)
[14:17] <ogra_> i usually call it the click store
[14:20] <Tassadar> huh, it's enough to type in the address and password, it'll figure out the rest by itself, nice
[14:20] <ogra_> i guess that only works if your server has the right domain
[14:21] <ogra_> i had to set it up in the detailed settings later to work properly
[14:21] <Tassadar> I used gmail account
[14:21] <ogra_> it also eats cpu like crazy when syncing
[14:21] <ogra_> but for a first preview its really good
[14:21] <Tassadar> yeah, it's also not very smooth on n5
[14:21] <ogra_> https://plus.google.com/103255629963793469067/posts/FUai6JMLQyW
[14:22] <ogra_> neither on n7
[14:22] <ogra_> :)
[14:22] <Tassadar> I guess because it has a lot of objects on the screen
[14:23] <ogra_> well, it syncs in the background
[14:23]  * ogra_ has 30000+ mails in his Inbox alone ... about 3mio in total across all folders 
[14:23] <Tassadar> it isn't eating any cpu anymore, I think it already downloaded everything
[14:23] <Tassadar> well, like 8% now
[14:23] <ogra_> ah, nice
[14:24] <ogra_> it goes that low for me as well and then it is actually responsive
[14:24] <ogra_> changing to another folder nearly kills it though
[14:25] <Tassadar> (keep in mind that I'm still a bit biased by Android, which made it it's goal to get stable 60fps last year)
[14:26] <Tassadar> (and has years of development behind it)
[14:26] <ogra_> well, i think we are not to far if it comes to the shell itself
[14:26] <ogra_> apps are still lagging a lot
[14:26] <ogra_> especially the browser sucks ... cant wait til the new one comes
[14:27] <Tassadar> yeah, the "homescreen" is fine, but for example calendar isn't, especially with the "yearly" view
[14:27] <ogra_> yeah
[14:27] <ogra_> we'll switch to Qt 5,2 next week
[14:27] <ogra_> that should improve things a bit
[14:28] <Tassadar> by the way, it seems to me the landscape orientation detection is a bit too sensitive - like, it is enough to shake the phone a bit and it starts the portrait -> landscape animation already
[14:28] <ogra_> i have that on android too
[14:29] <ogra_> but you are not the first to mention it
[14:29] <ogra_> probably needs some "de-sesibilization" :)
[14:32] <Tassadar> that's weird, the screen dims a bit when I don't touch it for a while on N5, but brightness setting does not work on N5 Oo
[14:32] <ogra_> heh
[14:33] <ogra_> popey, bah, when was planet ripped out of the defaults from shorts ?
[14:38] <Tassadar> hmm, powerd-cli brightness works too
[14:48] <Tassadar> indicator-power doesn't use powerd, wonder why
[14:48] <Tassadar> it tries to search for the sys file in /sys/class/backlight/, but hammerhead doesn't have any in there
[15:36] <popey> ogra_: long time back, for 13.10 release iirc
[21:46] <bob__> do we have any concept as to supported date for nexus 5?