[00:42] <SCR1845-6357A> Pleasant night to all southafricans, regardless their operating system
[00:43] <SCR1845-6357A> I have read about the existence of a weird distro called "apartheid linux"
[00:44] <SCR1845-6357A> based on ubuntu, and seemingly identical in all senses except some far-right decoration...
[00:45] <SCR1845-6357A> never tried it myself, though
[00:52] <Private_User> good night SCR1845-6357A
[01:10] <SCR1845-6357A> goodnight to you too, Private_User
[10:37] <Kilos> morning superfly not_found et al
[10:37] <Kilos> oh sorry afternoon
[10:38] <Kilos> cant believe they have banned grenadillas as an alien plant in za
[10:39] <theblazehen> Hey Kilos 
[10:39] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[11:02] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[11:02] <charl_> hi theblazehen 
[11:02] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[11:02]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[11:02] <theblazehen> hey charl_ 
[11:02] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[11:03] <Kilos> Maaz coffee please
[11:03] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[11:03] <Kilos> Maaz rusks please
[11:03] <Maaz> behind the calender on top of the fridge, but dont tell everyone Kilos
[11:03] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[11:03] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[11:06] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[11:11] <not_found> o/
[11:13] <Golynx> hi Kilos 
[11:13] <Golynx> hi charl_
[11:13] <Golynx> hi theblazehen
[11:13] <Golynx> hi not_found
[11:13] <Golynx> hi Maaz
[11:13] <theblazehen> hi Golynx 
[11:22]  * Golynx agrees with Telkom CEO Sipho Maseko "MTN, Vodacom is standing in the way of SA's future" http://techcentral.co.za/mtn-vodacom-standing-in-way-of-sas-future/46705/
[11:22] <not_found> and Telkom isn't?! >.<
[11:23] <theblazehen> not_found, lol
[11:24] <Kilos> telkom is much cheaper not_found 
[11:24] <Golynx> not_found: that maybe true in the fixed line arena, but its about mobile that reaches many more people in the country
[11:25] <not_found> at least there is the possibility for competition in the mobile area... but it is still ironical for Telkom to make statements like that..
[11:38] <Golynx> not_found: Telkom wants payback of its R50 billion it had to subsidise MTN and Vodacom since 1994. 
[11:39] <Kilos> yay maybe theyll drop 8ta data even more
[11:43] <Golynx> Kilos that will happen , how soon ? depends on the court case of MTN and Vodacom has against Icasa
[11:44] <Kilos> they big money okes so it can hang in courts for ages
[11:46] <Golynx> ya true
[11:46] <Golynx> but even them agree that mobile tarrifs must come down, but they want it to come down slowly at their pace
[11:48] <Kilos> they want it cheap from telkom but dont want to lower their price to comsumers
[11:48] <Kilos> swines
[11:50] <Golynx> ya , its hard to get out of any kind of comfort zone, even for the big babies lol
[11:51] <Kilos> you cant live in a mansion and drive the latest merc and live on peanuts
[11:53] <Golynx> lol
[11:53] <Golynx> they have to ditch the expensive peanuts for the cheaper ones 
[11:54] <Kilos> lol
[12:02] <Kilos> who wanted to root a tablet here the other day?
[12:02] <Kilos> just got a mail with instructions
[12:22] <Private_User> afternoon all
[12:22] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[12:27] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[12:45] <charl_> hi Private_User 
[12:45] <charl_> hi Golynx 
[12:51] <Private_User> hey charl_
[12:57] <not_found> beroot, reboot
[12:58] <Kilos> hehe
[12:58] <not_found> every make of tablet / phone may have a slightly different method of rooting...
[13:00] <Kilos> ah
[13:01] <not_found> so if it was for the right device it would be all good :)
[13:03] <charl_> beetroot ?
[13:03] <charl_> sounds delicious !
[13:04] <Private_User> with a side of steak or roast?
[13:05] <Private_User> :)
[13:05] <Kilos> hehe
[13:08] <charl_> i'm getting hungry now
[13:08] <theblazehen> charl_, I just had a nice lunch :)
[13:09] <theblazehen> 2 toasted sandwiches, 3 slices of bread each, cheese + mayo
[13:09] <Kilos> yum
[13:12] <Golynx> can Maaz cook ?
[13:12] <Kilos> no
[13:13] <Kilos> we tried once to teach and ibid. but that is only possible for python experts
[13:13] <Kilos> an ibid
[13:13] <Private_User> maybe its a good thing, virtual food may make us even more hungry
[13:13] <Kilos> lol
[13:13] <Kilos> hey kbmonkey you not away
[13:14] <Kilos> just lurking
[13:14] <Golynx> lol
[13:16] <kbmonkey> hi
[13:17] <kbmonkey> trying to figure out update-alternatives here
[13:17] <Kilos> my monkey dont pull the lurker stunts you gotta greet
[13:17] <kbmonkey> always forget the command
[13:17] <Kilos> what you wanna update
[13:17] <kbmonkey> it is hot today Kilos 
[13:17] <Kilos> cold here
[13:18] <Kilos> and wet
[13:18] <kbmonkey> jealous
[13:18] <Kilos> drizzled all night
[14:09] <Kilos> wbb later
[14:19] <kbmonkey> back, phone net was too slow
[15:36] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:25] <Golynx> hey SCR1845-6357A
[16:25] <SCR1845-6357A> hello Golynx
[16:26] <Golynx> how is my fav password doing today
[16:26] <SCR1845-6357A> :)
[16:26] <SCR1845-6357A> really fine
[16:26] <Golynx> ah that always good to hear :)
[16:26] <SCR1845-6357A> I hope the same applies to you
[16:26] <Kilos> haha hi SCR1845-6357A 
[16:27] <SCR1845-6357A> hi Kilos!
[16:27] <Golynx> sure always got to keep the shiney side up :)
[16:27] <SCR1845-6357A> glad to know that!
[16:33] <kbmonkey> he he hello
[16:34] <Kilos> stuttering my mon?
[16:34] <Kilos> monkey too
[16:35] <Kilos> inetpro ping
[16:35] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[16:36] <SCR1845-6357A> superfly... isn't a curties mayfield album or somethin?
[16:36] <SCR1845-6357A> i like curtis
[16:37] <SCR1845-6357A> and the 70s in general
[16:40] <SCR1845-6357A> hey, is there good music stores left in jozi?
[16:40] <SCR1845-6357A> Kilos, do you know any?
[16:40] <Kilos> nope i dont go anywhere
[16:40] <Kilos> all music is online now
[16:41] <SCR1845-6357A> but man, nothing like the pleasure of a old vinyl of your most loved albums
[16:41] <Kilos> i only listen to old time music
[16:41] <Kilos> haha
[16:46] <Kilos> SCR1845-6357A you been here?
[16:47] <SCR1845-6357A> nope
[16:47] <SCR1845-6357A> but would like to one day
[16:47] <Kilos> i wondered about you asking about music stores in jozi
[16:48] <Kilos> jozi has everything
[16:48] <Kilos> the fly is in capetown
[16:48] <Kilos> they have everything too
[16:48] <Kilos> except money
[16:48] <SCR1845-6357A> well, as far as I know jozi no longer has many of the things it once had
[16:48] <SCR1845-6357A> so that's why I asked it
[16:49] <Kilos> ah
[16:49] <SCR1845-6357A> where are you from?
[16:49] <Kilos> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Vinyl-Joint/239042717792
[16:50] <Kilos> im from pretoria and durban
[16:53] <Kilos> hi not_found 
[16:53] <not_found> o/
[17:14] <kbmonkey> hi not_found 
[17:14] <kbmonkey> are you the third boolean state?
[17:15] <not_found> !objection
[17:15] <kbmonkey> haha
[17:15] <Golynx> hi kbmonkey 
[17:15] <Golynx> wb not_found
[17:16] <not_found> thanks all
[17:16] <kbmonkey> hi Golynx 
[17:16]  * not_found watches some Smite... the one game that I can't get to work outside windows no matter what :'(
[17:17] <kbmonkey> I am about to make dinner before it is too late
[17:17] <Golynx> not_found: sad to hear hey
[17:17] <not_found> if I didn't suck so bad at the game it would keep me on windows...
[17:17] <Golynx> i mis Tricky Truck on windows, used to be in the top 3 on most of those tracks
[17:18] <not_found> http://www.twitch.tv/smitegame
[17:18] <not_found> tourney starting in 3 minutes
[17:19] <Golynx> nice
[17:24] <Private_User> evening people
[17:24] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[17:25] <Private_User> hey Kilos
[17:25] <Kilos> hey Private_User have you worked on thew desktop pc yet?
[17:26] <Private_User> I have been reading above see you were also from Durban, originally or just lived there for a few years?
[17:26] <Kilos> lazy man
[17:26] <Kilos> i went there just before i was 21 and left about 25 years later
[17:27] <Kilos> but left natal that is
[17:27] <Kilos> spent time inmaritzburg and utrecht
[17:27] <Kilos> about 20 years in toti working in durbs
[17:28] <Private_User> lol yeah I am, was actually gonna try the vacuum but after the news I heard this morning I forgot all about it will make sure I do it tomorrow
[17:28] <Private_User> ok cool stuff Kilos
[17:28] <Private_User> but were were born and grew up in GP
[17:28] <Kilos> born in pta
[17:29] <Private_User> I am also a KZN boy born and grew up here then moved up to GP lived there for almost 10years before times got hard and I had to move back home
[17:30] <Kilos> oh you in durbs now?
[17:30] <Private_User> been back now almost 2 years
[17:30] <Kilos> nuvo and vince are also there
[17:31] <Kilos> and lots of the dbnlug peeps
[17:31] <Kilos> oh and the monkey too
[17:31] <Private_User> ah cool stuff
[17:31] <Kilos> are you on our mailing list
[17:32] <Private_User> yeah my nick is on the mailing list :)
[17:32] <Kilos> there are other guys with labs and things there
[17:33] <Kilos> i forget names now will inform as memory serves
[17:33] <Kilos> they got groups
[17:33] <Private_User> ok cool will have to register myself on there so I can get invlolved
[17:33] <Kilos> yeah
[17:35] <Kilos> very clever linux peeps down there
[17:37] <Private_User> miss GP a little though many friends there and also my sisters are there as well but my consolation is getting to wake up everyday and get a great view and whiff of that beautiful sea and its breeze and also spending time with the folks
[17:38] <Kilos> i miss the sea
[17:38] <Kilos> was a lifesaver at warnerdoone for 3 years
[17:40] <Private_User> lekker always wondered what its like to be a life saver on a full time bases. Must be a great job, getting paid to swim and have fun on the beach
[17:40] <Private_User> cause majority of the week the beach isn't that full
[17:40] <Private_User> only weekends, holidays
[17:40] <Private_User> and public holidays
[17:41] <Kilos> yeah i did it weekends and leave time
[17:41] <Private_User> warnerdoone? is that like in the South Coast?
[17:41] <Kilos> in toti for my leave everyyear
[17:41] <Private_User> ok cool
[17:41] <Kilos> warner beach club ya
[17:42] <Kilos> lekker in hols , all the holiday chicks
[17:43] <Private_User> I bet
[18:00] <Kilos> hi captine wb
[18:00] <captine> hi Kilos 
[18:00] <captine> How you doing
[18:01] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[18:01] <Kilos> im smiling, running 12.04 64bit
[18:01] <captine> doing good. 
[18:01] <Kilos> lekker fast
[18:01] <captine> 12.04.  nice. last night I managed to get 13.10 installed on macbook
[18:01] <captine> very happy
[18:02] <captine> love the keyboard on this machine
[18:02] <Kilos> yeah only prob is the support is only for 6 months
[18:02] <captine> yip
[18:02] <captine> I will wipe it with 14.04 when released.  13.10 supports my macbook much better
[18:03] <captine> per the wiki
[18:03] <Kilos> 14.04 is out in 2 months then you can upgrade and get 3 years support
[18:03] <captine> yip
[18:03] <captine> am looking forward to it.  Really liked 12.04
[18:03] <captine> had tried arch linux which was fun, but like the quick install and little effort to get a good looking machine with ubuntu
[18:03] <Kilos> lts is lekker it gives next lts time to stabilise before support drops
[18:04] <Kilos> yeah installs are getting quicker
[18:04] <captine> was actually wanting to try PC-BSD10 but struggle to get it installed on my acer
[18:04] <Kilos> only hold up nowadays is the upgrading via internet
[18:05] <captine> true that
[18:05] <captine> I managed to mirror almost all the 12.04 64bit repo's to make vm installs etc faster, but still need to get it working properly
[18:05] <captine> hate waiting for downloads
[18:05] <Kilos> thats why its good to save downloaded packages then if you need to install again you have them on hand
[18:05] <captine> do you watch the linux action show at all?
[18:06] <Kilos> mirrored where?
[18:06] <captine> mirrored it on a home vm
[18:06] <captine> on my lan
[18:06] <Kilos> i rsync everything to an external
[18:06] <Kilos> ah
[18:08] <Kilos> n pe i dont watch shows
[18:08] <Kilos> data dont allow vids etc
[18:10] <captine> ah
[18:10] <captine> I hate the cost of data here
[18:10] <captine> anyhow.  what can you do
[18:10] <Kilos> yeah but getting better with telkom mobile
[18:15] <Private_User> not too bad on cell c captine check CellC giga packages
[18:15] <Private_User> prepaid data options
[18:20] <Kilos> hi Proxima_Centauri 
[18:21] <Golynx> hi Proxima_Centauri 
[18:21] <Golynx> hi Proxima_Centauri 
[18:21] <captine> Private_User, thanks.  Am on Cybersmart 70 gig during day and 1000 from midnight till 7
[18:21] <captine> or something like that
[18:21] <Golynx> my second fav star
[18:22] <captine> on ADSL
[18:23] <Private_User> oh wow, whats the cost of that?
[18:23] <captine> R700
[18:23] <captine> ish
[18:24] <captine> on a 10meg
[18:24] <captine> line
[18:26] <Private_User> that is not too bad is there any additional costs or catches? is the data renewed monthly?
[18:28] <captine> R544 per month for 20gig + line and then 99 extra for the additional 50gig + 1000 night gigs
[18:28] <captine> afrihost may be cheaper.  but I have been with cybersmart for many years and like their support
[18:28] <captine> etc
[18:29] <Private_User> ok and the data is renewed every month?
[18:31] <Golynx> thats like data for the gods wow
[18:31] <Golynx> hi captine
[18:32] <Kilos> thats adsl captine ?
[18:32] <captine> yes renewed each month
[18:32] <captine> yip.  adsl
[18:32] <Kilos> us on farms dont have telkom lines
[18:32] <captine> so must pay trelkom for the voice portion
[18:33] <captine> Kilos, i would give up adsl to have a nice farm ;-)
[18:33] <Kilos> haha
[18:33] <Golynx> is fibre expensive, or are they just slow in rolling it out in SA
[18:34] <superfly> fibre is hectically expensive
[18:34] <theblazehen> How Long is a chinese guy
[18:34] <superfly> but, if you can afford it, the ROI is brilliant
[18:34] <Golynx> hi superfly
[18:34] <superfly> theblazehen: is his brother's name "So Long"?
[18:35] <theblazehen> superfly, lol, nope
[18:35] <Golynx> oh wow so its really that expensive to produce some light carrying tubes
[18:35] <Kilos> nope the cost is not in the production
[18:36] <superfly> Golynx: it's actully quite expensive to manufacture, and then it can be more maintenance than copper
[18:36] <captine> cybersmart offer 100mbps fibre uncapped in rosebank  for R10 000 per month
[18:36] <superfly> but, the long term benefits and better - fibre is worth nothing, compared to copper
[18:37] <superfly> captine: considering I pay around R1000/month for 10Mbps, that's actually pretty much the same cost
[18:37] <Golynx> ah i didnt know fibre were such high maintenance
[18:37] <Golynx> but alot of stuff goes in there
[18:38] <superfly> they both translate down to R100 per Mbps
[18:38] <superfly> Golynx: they also have to redo their infrastructure. it's all based around copper right now
[18:39] <Golynx> oh that makes sense, thanks superfly
[18:40] <captine> superfly, yip.  it might be comparable in terms of price per mbps, however, it is a lot of cash for a home user to pay
[18:41] <superfly> captine: absolutely
[18:41] <superfly> hence why I said it's well priced, but that doesn't mean that I can afford it! :-D
[18:42] <captine> not a bad price though if a complex bought it and split it through 30 units or more.
[18:42] <captine> but that is probably against terms and conditions
[18:42] <superfly> certainly if you're on cybersmart
[18:42] <superfly> I might know the MD, but that doesn't mean I agree with their T's & C's :-)
[18:44] <captine> :)
[18:44] <captine> lol
[18:44] <captine> I must say, i didnt like some of their terms around using only them etc way back, but can understand it in terms of reducing their cost base on support etc
[19:02]  * Golynx likes the irc logs
[19:03] <Kilos> haha
[19:03] <Kilos> too much to read
[19:03] <Golynx> you find some interesting info there :)
[19:04] <Golynx> yeah but fun
[19:04] <Kilos> hehe
[20:25] <Kilos> inetpro ping
[20:26] <Kilos> spose he is sleeping already
[20:29] <Golynx> yeah almost everyone got a long Monday tomorrow
[20:29] <Kilos> yeah shame
[20:53] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. see ya morrow time