[01:20] lyrely [01:20] Yes. [02:55] slickymaster, I managed to mess things up nicely so I deleted my MP and started over [02:56] I also remembered how to add files so the latest MP should have the new icon files [02:58] knome, slickymaster, so that MP is sill missing the menulibre section but otherwise should be pretty close to the final look [02:58] if you agree [03:39] Unit193: finally fixed your annoying bug :) [03:46] Hah. :P [03:46] Did you profit?? ;) [04:01] until you file another bug :D [04:02] So for a while then. [04:10] thankfully [04:13] :P [04:50] ok, new menulibre release tomorrow. I have just one more thing to fix, but I'm exhausted [04:50] night everyone [04:51] Good night, bluesabre. [05:10] knome: Pooke: https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-docs/new-appendix/+merge/207310 also your index refresh so I can propose the second half of my translations fixes? [09:55] hello [10:00] i am not sure to be on the right place, i have just installed xubuntu 13 and i think i have found a translation error in the Windows Manager Keyboard Settings Pannel. (the line with shortcut (F7) is translated in the French version to "Maximiser la fenêtre" which means "Maximize Window" and, it should be "Déplacer la fenêtre" which means "Move Windows". also, the shortcut F10 is not visible but works as expected [10:00] rebrec: hm, that part of xubuntu is actually translated upstream at xfce [10:01] so you might wanna tell that to the french translation team in xfce [10:01] ha ok ochosi [10:01] ok ochosi thanks i will try to look [10:06] rebrec: https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/xfce/ [10:07] in fact, this should be a more accurate link: https://www.transifex.com/signin/?next=/projects/p/xfwm4/viewstrings/#fr/xfce-4-10 [10:07] you can check, maybe the translation has already been changed there and it just wasn't included yet in xubuntu 13.04/10 [10:23] ok ochosi thanks for your help i will check that [10:47] mmm whisker-menu takes a while to show anything on first use [10:48] yup, depends a bit on the speed of your machine, but it's true [10:48] (on my 4yr old laptop it's quite instantaneous though) [10:49] Pentium(R) CPU G870 with 4Gb Ram [11:12] but you get a nice spinbutton [11:13] I see that observation is as pointless as always [11:14] it takes some time to load the icons [11:14] Part of the reason I'll be sticking with Applications Menu. [11:14] unity's dash panel is also slow on first start [11:15] I really couldn't give one for what happens with unity - not interested in the slightest [11:15] it's a common issue [11:16] if the menu program does not cache the icon files [11:19] elfy: and I do care about other desktop environments and enjoy all of them :) [11:20] I don't [11:20] they don't care [11:21] brainwash: LX(DE|Qt), E? [11:22] is the qt version already ready for use? [11:22] Nope. :P [11:22] I got all available DEs installed on my test machine [11:23] and almost all window managers, so my list of available sessions is endless :D [11:23] Wow, glad I'm not you. :P [11:23] so am I ;) [11:24] Though, he's got some debugging skills I'd like. [11:24] just trying my best to support ubuntu :( [11:24] yea - nothing wrong with that :) [11:25] Unit193: +1 to that [11:25] unity's dash is slow to open *every single time* [11:25] i can type faster than it can render the text [11:25] wow, unity really does not like you :P [11:25] it takes about 20 seconds to find the thing i'm trying to open [11:26] annoyingly the amazon rubbish loads in about 1 second [11:26] but searching the local drive takes forever [11:26] even with zeitgeist which tracks everything you do? [11:26] yes [11:27] this is with a clean install [11:27] i install it every few months to check if it has got any better [11:27] it certainly looks like it is getting worse though [11:28] unity-2d was always fast [11:29] it's not that slow for me [11:31] but contributing to xubuntu/xfce seems easier, so I just do this instead of bothering with unity/gnome/kde/.. [11:32] and I for one appreciate that [11:32] but I really couldn't give one for Unity ;) [11:37] I for two do as well. [12:02] elfy: do you think that the settings manager menu entries should be directly accessible via appfinder? [12:02] bug 1286661 [12:02] bug 1286661 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "gparted after instalation missing in menu and F2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1286661 [12:03] not at all [12:03] whisker-menu does not find them either, the user has to open the settings manager [12:03] yep [12:03] so we can mark the report as invalid, right? [12:03] not got an issue with that tbh [12:03] the report is now informed where he can find gparted [12:03] marked it [12:04] thanks [12:04] added appfinder comment [12:15] I really think that "we" should clean up some of the launchpad reports, get rid of old ones, try to check if they are still valid [12:15] but that's not an easy fight :) [12:16] the same needs doing on xfce bugs [12:16] true [13:44] alrighty, menulibre 2.0.2: https://launchpad.net/menulibre/2.0/2.0.2 [13:46] nice :) [13:47] wow, that's a rather big changelog [13:47] now we just have to wait for Noskcaj to upload :) [13:47] yeah, started with fixing one bug, then found a bunch of other papercuts [13:49] sadly I haven't tested menulibre yet, I always tend to use the terminal to change the .desktop or menu files [13:51] it works really well (now), you might find it handy [13:52] it does everything alacarte is supposed to do, but actually work for each advertised feature [13:52] yes, I should at least take a look at the source and learn some more python this way :) [13:52] :D [13:53] what's next? catfish or mugshot? [13:54] oh, a new catfish release has been uploaded just recently I think [13:54] 2014-03-01 [14:00] bluesabre, so do I need to extract that somewhere and then run that command you showed me the other night? [14:01] jjfrv8, if you don't want to wait for the new package [14:01] python3 setup.py install --user [14:02] execute from ~/.local/bin/menulibre [14:02] brainwash: working on mugshot next [14:02] if you want to have some python fun, catfish: CatfishSearchEngine.py plays with generators, and thats one of the cooler python things [14:03] oh, I was about to have a look and try to fix the case bug [14:04] bug 1280607 [14:04] bug 1280607 in Catfish "Case insensitive search for non english file names doesn't work" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1280607 [14:04] yeah, if you can figure that out, that'd be awesome [14:05] actually, next thing I need to focus on is the greeter [14:05] then mugshot [14:06] you are right, the greeter needs some love too [14:17] guess I'll just wait for the package :/ [14:33] hi zukeprime [14:34] hey! [14:48] lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.8.2: https://launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/1.8/1.8.2 [14:49] ochosi ^ [14:49] now to work on the ubuntu package for that === Mapley is now known as pm_for_hugs === pm_for_hugs is now known as Mapley [15:19] brainwash, you'd be interested as well ^ [15:31] hi bluesabre :) [15:31] hey elfy [15:32] bluesabre: do you think anyone in team would benefit from a page of package tests done with bugs? [15:32] easy enough to go and look - but I've got it in a txt doc [15:33] well, that would help me when I'm searching for things to fix [15:33] k - it's up to date till the 1st [15:34] sweet [15:34] * elfy assumes he can attach to m/l ... [15:44] bluesabre: thanks a bunch! [15:44] bluesabre: that assumption wasn't fatal :p [15:44] hi ochosi [15:45] good news :) [15:45] brainwash: looking into the AccountsService stuff for mugshot now [15:45] bluesabre: I hope it's useful [15:46] the qa trackers are not good for getting reports out at all [15:46] oh wow [15:46] thats awesome! [15:46] oh good :) [15:55] thanks elfy, great mail! [15:56] oh good :) [15:57] always good to work out something useful for people :p [16:00] elfy: if it isn't already, why not put it on a wiki-page? [16:00] then we could add some colors to it (e.g. green if all passed and no bugs, etc.) [16:00] i'd imagine it's easier to get that information out of the tracker than the wiki [16:01] and get a good overview of how things are standing and what we should try to fix [16:01] why not track them in a blueprint? [16:01] i'm fine with anything that is easy to keep an overview on [16:01] knome: the tracker is really not good to get reports out [16:02] blueprints are some work for starters, but it's the best to track progress after that [16:02] blueprints have the disadvantage of not being colored or anything [16:02] since it tracks *actual* bug statuses [16:02] ochosi, you got to be kidding me. [16:02] ochosi, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-qa [16:03] ochosi, see the "related bugs" section [16:03] in what way are they not colored? [16:03] and I'm not sure about using blueprints for it [16:03] i don't know why we wouldn't link bugs that we are about to fix in a blueprint. [16:05] anyway - no-one would actually ahve it today if I'd not manually dug it all off the tracker for something I'm writing for the blog [16:05] yep [16:06] we can argue over it, but my opinion is that it would be best to track them in a blueprint [16:07] mmm possibly - but which one :p [16:07] we can create a new one [16:07] t-betabugs [16:09] [xubuntu-qa] Set up a list of applications we want to look at for automated package testing: INPROGRESS [16:09] that done? [16:09] no [16:09] okay [16:11] elfy, if you are wondering why i have been dropping some -qa work items, that's because they exist as bugs already [16:11] and because both a bug and the work item create one item in the work items tracker, the percentages get skewed unless we only track one item per... item [16:11] Unit193: i have a somewhat different idea for xubuntu-core, since micahg had concerns, we could simply create a seed file that has everything except apps, something like xubuntu-noapps [16:12] Unit193: that way micahg's concerns would be addressed i presume and this would still help against ppl nagging "why do you ship $app?" or "why don't you ship $app?" [16:14] hmpf, light-locker-settings is still stuck in the upload-queue... [16:14] what's the bug for that? [16:15] sorry - was afk [16:15] i monitor it via https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue [16:15] knome: ok - understood [16:15] https://bugs.launchpad.net/light-locker-settings/+bug/1281536 [16:15] Launchpad bug 1281536 in light-locker-settings "[needs-packaging] light-locker-settings" [Wishlist,Fix committed] [16:16] elfy, yep, i thought it would be a non-problem, but to not look like we're arguing over it and dropping/adding/dropping/adding... [16:16] knome: as far as a blueprint to track things - not sure whether to bother now - but we could do - might be worth doing it for Unreal Unicorn [16:16] yep [16:16] and we can do it for T if people think we need a better way to track [16:16] might well be a useful thing though longterm [16:16] +them [16:16] it's a trivial thing to file the blueprint and add the bugs [16:16] just some work [16:17] well up to now - no-one has even mentioned it [16:17] then just get it approved for T, and it'll show up in the status tracker with the next update [16:18] who approves blueprints - you for us? [16:18] release team [16:18] ok [16:18] but they basically just approve what we ask them to [16:18] oh hang on - our release team or the big one? [16:18] nvm - you answered me :p [16:19] yeah, the ~ubuntu-release [16:19] theoretically we should have a xubuntu member in that team [16:19] but since the situation is what it is... we're not obliged to :P [16:19] brb [16:25] not sure if we need to worry for this cycle tbh - but it's probably a good tool to use [16:26] for the moment we could add them to the -qa blueprint if we really need to track them [16:26] s/need/want [16:27] that works for me [16:27] which does lol - one is do it now, the other is don't bother now :p [16:28] either, but was referring to the last comment, eg. put them under -qa [16:29] ok - well I can do that - though I won't be amused at my 84% getting hammered :p [16:29] well [16:29] that's partly why i proposed a new blueprint [16:30] that would also make us able to track the progress of fixing bugs separately [16:30] mmm [16:30] ok [16:31] and so far, the scope of -t-qa hasn't really been bugs we need to fix [16:31] but more focussed on the "meta" qa, eg. how to make the qa stuff run and what do we need to do on the background [16:33] well yea - if we want qa to be fixing stuff then someone else can take over :) [16:33] heh [16:34] right so how do we build a blueprint? Add dependency at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-t-flavor-xubuntu ? [16:34] yep [16:35] and use the same naming scheme [16:35] and make me the approver, drafter/assignee can be -team [16:35] xubuntu-t-bugs [16:35] ? [16:35] worksforme [16:36] or bugfixes [16:36] but we can also just notice that in the title [16:36] the exact blueprint name doesn't really matter at all... [16:36] don't think I did that right [16:36] heh [16:36] so what's the blueprint you see? :P [16:37] register a blueprint and then fill that form in? [16:37] then add as a dependency? [16:37] yep [16:38] i can do that if you think you are lost :P [16:38] no I think I'm ok :) [16:38] ok, goodie :) [16:39] tell me when it's up and i'll take it up for accepting for trusty [16:42] brainwash: let me know if this works for you: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mugshot-dev/mugshot/trunk/revision/77 [16:43] ochosi: that sounds good (re: xubuntu-core) [16:43] but isn't it just Xfce without the apps? [16:43] knome: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-bugs [16:44] knome: needs adding to the main one still [16:45] once it's up I will work through the bug list and add them to it [16:45] hi micahg [16:45] biab [16:47] no I won't it's chucking it down ... [16:49] knew this was going to be a pita - need to check which are testcase bugs [16:49] sigh [16:59] hi elfy [17:00] hey micahg, just around for a bit [17:00] can you refresh xubuntu-meta? [17:00] bbiab [17:01] bluesabre: sure [17:02] shoot, I meant to do that before the beta [17:02] let's see if ppc64el fixed itself [17:09] knome: then the other question is, which bugs :p I'd guess not those we don't have anything actually to do with as a team - eg xchat [17:10] anything that we are committed to try to fix [17:10] elfy, ygm [17:11] pleia2, [lyz] Engage with other social media admins for flavors on wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/SocialMedia: INPROGRESS [17:11] pleia2, plz finish it :P [17:11] k [17:11] pleia2, [xubuntu-team] Extend website with "recommended system resources" -specs: INPROGRESS [17:11] pleia2, let's take some time to work on that in the following days [17:12] I am running off to a class, will try to chat later [17:12] no problem. just poking and reminding about stuff :) [17:14] knome: what's ygm ... [17:14] "you've got mail" [17:15] ta [17:15] np [17:29] knome: think I got rid of all the ones to get rid off [17:39] ochosi: 1. Define "applications"? Drop xfwm? xfce4-panel? etc, etc... 2. I'm not terribly fond of the idea, and the bugs are actually in the repo not in my seed, so I still think it could be merged as is. [17:49] drop everything except xfwm, xfce4-panel, xfdesktop, xfsettings + dependencies [17:59] bluesabre: ok, I'll test it asap [17:59] bluesabre: the catfish [17:59] thanks brainwash [17:59] ? [17:59] woops [17:59] let me write the sentence :) [18:00] the catfish insensitive search issue seems to be caused by python vs. python3 [18:00] python3 handles it fine [18:00] ah [18:01] thats good to know [18:02] it can be simply changed here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~catfish-search/catfish-search/trunk/view/head:/configure#L6 [18:02] or any drawbacks? [18:05] there shouldn't be [18:05] I do all of my dev and testing with 3 [18:05] just making sure that python2 continues to work [18:06] so python still refers to python2 in ubuntu [18:06] right [18:06] what a slow transition! :D [18:10] no joke :D [18:13] i rather watch that slow transition than a rush to upload new packages after FF for an LTS release and break everything. [18:14] :) [18:14] that rush was before FF [18:15] anyway, all of my python apps are made to work correctly in 2 or 3 [18:15] keeps everybody happy [18:20] bluesabre, i'm not referring to the xubuntu team :P [18:23] bluesabre: installed mugshot rev77, changed my profile pic, deleted ~/.face and switched to the greeter -> new pic is shown, so the accountsservice integration works here [18:24] fantastic! [18:25] it's not possible to unset the profile picture, right? [18:25] via mugshot I mean [18:40] hi guys. I have installed Xubuntu 14.04 Beta 1 on VirtualBox and have only 800 x 640 resolution. What could be the problem? :P [18:42] sorry, only 640x480 :D [18:42] olbi, probably missing virtualbox-guest-dkms [18:43] hmm [18:43] brainwash: not currently [18:43] better make it a good one ;) [18:44] is there a roadmap? or should I file a lp report to keep track of new ideas and features? [18:47] file a bug, mark it as wishlist [18:47] ok [18:48] is there a more easly way to translate the docs added to cd, not from launchpad? :-) [18:50] knome ^ [18:51] I was trying to translate that files in system, but it could be problem with adding this later [19:07] knome: Did you by chance see pings? [19:25] from which repo you get translation files for system-config-printers and Additional drivers? [19:26] new menulibre is packaged, waiting for upload [19:26] bluesabre, When are you going to apply for access to the PAPT [19:27] Noskcaj: probably tonight or tomorrow [19:27] :) [19:27] its been hectic trying to get everything fixed and released [19:27] finally catching up to all of the bug reports [19:29] olbi: The desktop files for "Additional Drivers"? [19:30] Unit193: I want to check the translations files but can't find where it is :-) [19:31] Unit193: in Preferences [19:31] The desktop file for that is in src:xubuntu-default-settings. [19:38] brainwash: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mugshot-dev/mugshot/trunk/revision/78 [19:39] let me know if that works for you [19:40] but please make a bug report for that so its more of a bugfix :) [19:40] But, you didn't like it last time I did that! :P [19:41] * bluesabre hides [19:47] bluesabre: ok, testing in some minutes [19:47] great, thanks [19:51] ali1234: so thunar reports that the trash is empty (still shows the files), if xfdesktop is not showing the trash icon [19:51] works for me [19:51] works for me too [19:51] work for me too, if I tell xfdesktop to show the trash icon [19:52] I don't have any of that stuff showing [19:52] i never use desktop icons [19:52] ok :( [19:53] elfy: how did you test it? [19:53] test it? [19:54] move a file to the trash, relog and open thunar [19:54] what do you mean - I've nothing on the desktop - I had stuff in the trash - I emptied - the icon changed [19:54] I don't need to relog - I know that it works here :) [19:54] nonono :D [19:54] [19:50] ali1234: so thunar reports that the trash is empty (still shows the files), if xfdesktop is not showing the trash icon [19:54] [19:51] works for me [19:54] bug 880533 [19:54] bug 880533 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar reports Trash Empty when it is not" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/880533 [19:55] here is my upstream report: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10655 [19:55] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10655 in general "Thunar reports Trash Empty when it is not" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] [19:56] so it works fine, if xfdesktop is showing the trash icon (and therefore does some calculations or whatever) [19:59] ali1234: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9006 [19:59] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 9006 in General "Shows empty trash icon first time it's opened even if trash isn't empty." [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [20:00] what the heck [20:04] shows as full when it's got stuff in it as well - works properly for me [20:07] in the thunar side panel? [20:08] yep [20:08] thanks for testing it [20:08] I didn't actually test it - I just know it works ok :) [20:10] it does not for me (and at least a handful of other people), so I'm trying to find out why it fails [20:12] well for a start I don't have numerous DE's installed :p [20:12] not looked on a live session [20:49] guys, it is possible to add by default plugins for openvpn into networkmanager? :) [20:49] bluesabre: rev 78 works + bug 1286897 [20:49] bug 1286897 in Mugshot "Add option to remove current profile picture" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1286897 [20:50] brainwash: good to hear [21:26] knome: oh, hm, it's not easy to find our social media on our website anymore [21:26] pleia2, http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/ [21:27] pleia2, the idea was to have a "social media" page, but not done yet [21:27] ah, good :) [21:27] I can probably add them to marketing resources for now [21:27] but nonetheless, shouldn't one find the xubuntu facebook page on facebook by *searching*? [21:27] there are a few of them [21:27] only one is blessed :) [21:27] https://www.facebook.com/xubuntuusers [21:27] yeah, but if there are 1 or >1, in any case, why one more? [21:28] I don't want more :) people just keep making them [21:28] http://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=2009&action=edit [21:28] pleia2, i wasn't asking you, i was asking the person who created yet one more :) [21:28] oh [21:29] (still empty, but if you drop the things in there, i can drop that page into the navigation [21:29] I shall make one on our real site [21:30] huhu? [21:30] see the link? :P [21:30] on staging [21:30] http://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=2009&action=edit [21:30] that's a "Social media" page, on the real site... [21:31] oh, neat :) [21:31] just drop in the content, and i'll add it in the navi [21:31] then I shall populate it! soon [21:31] right now I need a nap, on account of my cold [21:31] hehe, sure [21:31] get well soon [21:31] thanks :) [21:31] let's see if i'll get that done before you get back then [21:46] pleia2, page published and in the navi [22:08] http://docs.xubuntu.org/ - if I translate docs for 14.04 LTS into my lang, can you add theme on this site? :-) [22:17] olbi, that'd be the plan. [22:44] Noskcaj: you've probably had quite enough of me but... [22:44] Mugshot 0.2.1: https://launchpad.net/mugshot/0.2/0.2.1 [22:47] translators are probably sick of me as well [22:48]